Yes...Somebody CAN Get YOUR YouTube Account Disabled

Jeremy Kelsall

14 years ago

YouTube Account you say?

These days you can have every single one of someones websites deindexed lol

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Steven Fullman 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

YouTube Account you say?

These days you can have every single one of someones websites deindexed lol

Howzat work then, J?
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- Jeremy Kelsall 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Fullman
  
  Howzat work then, J?
  
  I personally wouldn't know
  
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  Howzat work then, J?
  
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Ron Douglas

14 years ago

That stinks. I think that happen to Stephen Pierce as well.

Did they tell you why your account was disabled?

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MarkR 14 years ago

Sorry to hear that!

I'll be anxious to hear how and why it happened. Is this a case where someone cracked your poorly constructed password, or another issue ... hmmm. Live and learn.
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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ron Douglas

That stinks. I think that happen to Stephen Pierce as well.

Did they tell you why your account was disabled?

No, and when I try to contact them, I keep getting a message, "Sorry
we can't send your request...try again."

Thank God I rely on Google for so little.

And people wonder why I don't want to use PPC
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Colton

14 years ago

I had a YouTube account with 1 video on it that was 3 months old with 40,000 views and one day I noticed a slight decrease in traffic and went to check and yep video and account was wiped out.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

There is a BIG, BIG lesson here.

If you depend on ANY 3rd party site for ANY of your income, no matter who
or what it is, you CAN lose it.

This is why you MUST use every avenue of promotion at your disposal
because things CAN happen for no good reason at all.

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Marty S

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

There is a BIG, BIG lesson here.

If you depend on ANY 3rd party site for ANY of your income, no matter who
or what it is, you CAN lose it.

This is why you MUST use every avenue of promotion at your disposal
because things CAN happen for no good reason at all.

I can understand about not using one source, as I think most experienced business people would know that to be rather basic.

However, as much as you might not like Google, Youtube is simply too powerful of a traffic source to be shut out of. There is no equal for video distribution and exposure. So the fact that you cannot get answers makes this part very disturbing, and I know how frustrating it is to try and get answers out of Google or Youtube. The thought of even facing that is pure anxiety.

Steve, the actual problem in your OP is there is NOT a lesson to be learned if we don't know why the account was wiped out.

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John Atkins

14 years ago

If I remember correctly youtube will delete your account
if they delete 3 of your videos.

Which means that if someone starts flagging your videos
(happens a lot to those who promote adult websites),
they will start to get deleted, and eventually your
account will get deleted too.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

If I remember correctly youtube will delete your account
if they delete 3 of your videos.

Which means that if someone starts flagging your videos
(happens a lot to those who promote adult websites),
they will start to get deleted, and eventually your
account will get deleted too.

Okay, that makes sense. So somebody purposely flagged a bunch of my
videos (vindictively I might add...and I think I know who) and got my
account zapped.

This is a warning to those who mess with people who mess with you first.

They WILL come after you.

Yeah, I think I know what happened now.

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John Atkins

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Okay, that makes sense. So somebody purposely flagged a bunch of my
videos (vindictively I might add...and I think I know who) and got my
account zapped.

Yeah that's probably it.

I had lots of accounts deleted thanks to some
little hateful pests that don't have anything better to
do with their lives.

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JayPeete

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Okay, that makes sense. So somebody purposely flagged a bunch of my
videos (vindictively I might add...and I think I know who) and got my
account zapped.

This is a warning to those who mess with people who mess with you first.

They WILL come after you.

Yeah, I think I know what happened now.

It happened to me too Steven. YouTube (AKA Google) seems to care more about the complainer than the honest video contributor. It really is a shame...

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14 years ago

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Barrs

Steve,

You said that they were all "original home made videos..."

What *kind* of home made videos???

lol

(Sorry buddy, couldn't resist!!)

Gotta say, that sux though. I'd be really pissed if that happened to me.

Paul

They were actually informational videos. Nothing too outrageous. In fact,
quite ordinary and to the point.

Yeah, it sucks and it's unfair, but it's also part of life.

This too shall pass.

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lisaweyn

14 years ago

This is scary thing. And no one to turn to figure out what happened. May be YouTube will come to it's sense before things get out of hand.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Steven, you mention the videos were 6 months to years old. Were there any newer than 6 months? I'm just wondering if maybe they delete accounts after X amount of time with no activity in them. Just a thought.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Steven, you mention the videos were 6 months to years old. Were there any newer than 6 months? I'm just wondering if maybe they delete accounts after X amount of time with no activity in them. Just a thought.

I guess they could do that, but why would they delete an account where
the videos are still getting views?

If that's the reason and I had known that, I would have kept uploading
videos. But there is nothing in their TOS about "dormant" accounts.

I'm tending to go with the sabotage angle.

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Kieron

14 years ago

I am really sorry for what has happened to you but someone has black hatted you. If I may offer a word of caution when someone attacks you like this they normally dont stop there, protect your other 3rd part assets. Respectfully, Kieron

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domainarama

14 years ago

Would you consider opening a new account with a new name and resubmitting? Or opening many new accounts and resubmitting many times? Opening many accounts has the advantage of making it harder for one person to track all your work and bring everything down.

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Kierkegaard

14 years ago

I watched one of your videos tonight about diceology. That one was still up.

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Giggle

14 years ago

How Sad! Steven I have watched your videos in the past and I found them to be very interesting. The person who caused your videos to be deleted is sure get Karma retribution

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thatgirlJ

14 years ago

That stinks, Steven!

Jeremy -- you can't just say that and run!

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14 years ago

wouldn't happen to repeat "Will Robinson, Warning, Warning, aliens approaching." would he?

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Mukul Verma

14 years ago

Sorry to hear that Steven, I watched one of your videos a while back and it was entertaining.

You Tube disabled one of my videos that had 120,000 views last week. I got a email from my outsource employee and got me concerned, I thought she said they deleted by youtube account (thats account bring 15k in traffic a month gone)m scary.

I agree that you cannot depend on one traffic source, rule of thumb any third party site, try to make it less then 20% of traffic including Google.

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ExRat

14 years ago

Hi Steven,

There is a BIG, BIG lesson here.

If you depend on ANY 3rd party site for ANY of your income, no matter who
or what it is, you CAN lose it.

This is why you MUST use every avenue of promotion at your disposal
because things CAN happen for no good reason at all.

That is a valid lesson. But there's an even bigger one, which I hope you are not missing.

Consider some of the many threads, comments and even reports (hint: Allen/War Room) that revolve around these 'keywords' - opinion, prolific, guru, real name, radar.

This is a lesson that some of us don't come across until later on in our journey, but I think it's more important than the one you mentioned.

I think you should also consider Kieron's post (#20) and consider how much you dislike the current events and therefore how much you would be willing to sacrifice in order to avoid them. It wouldn't necessarily mean the end of something, just the beginning of something new as well that could run alongside and most likely wouldn't be as vulnerable.

Just a suggestion, but rather than having 'use every avenue' as the lesson, a question for you - what are you currently building? Perhaps it would be wise to consider building something new and a little different, rather than building on top of something that already exists, but is having problems. That might be a hard (unfair) pill to swallow, but it might also be the cure and might be quite refreshing and liberating.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

@roger (ExRat)

Roger, as usual, you come up with an excellent response. Yes, finding
avenues that few people know about but get enough exposure would be
a great way to go.

It's also very time consuming. For you see, these unknown avenues will
require quite a bit of digging to find. They're not going to pop up at the
top of the SERPs for their related keywords. They'll probably be buried
on page 3 or even page 10. And then it will require extensive testing to
determine if they're even worth continuing with.

Yeah, it's a bitter pill, but you're dead right. This is the way to go. And
since I now have so much time on my hands, I might as well use it for
something productive.

@Jay

Yes, you're right. I shouldn't just let this go. And yes, it's a scary thing
to think that this could happen to somebody with 30 hours of videos.

I won't even tell you how many hours I had up there.

Somebody posted YouTube contact info in this thread.

I intend to use it and see what I can get accomplished.

@everyone else

Be afraid...Be very, very afraid. Cause this CAN happen to you.

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Midas3 Consulting 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Somebody posted YouTube contact info in this thread.

Reduced to "somebody" , no good turn ... :-)

I intend to use it and see what I can get accomplished.

Can't hurt Steven, little to lose.
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- Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by SimonHarrison
  
  Reduced to "somebody" , no good turn ... :-)
  
  Can't hurt Steven, little to lose.
  
  I'm sorry Simon, I just woke up and didn't remember the person's name but
  did remember from last night that it was posted.
  
  Please accept my apologies. I didn't mean to offend you. If it was you, a
  very big thank you to you.
  
  ** EDIT ** I contacted YouTube, for all the good it will do. Now I'll
  wait and see what they say, if anything.
  
  Trust me, I am NOT holding my breath on this one.
  
  Did I mention how I now understand why people despise Google?
  
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Frank Donovan

14 years ago

Steven,

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

@roger (ExRat)
Roger, as usual, you come up with an excellent response. Yes, finding
avenues that few people know about but get enough exposure would be
a great way to go.

I may have misread, but I took Roger's post to mean something other than what you seem to have inferred.

It appears to me that your business is largely based on the reputation you've instilled in your name. There's certainly nothing wrong with that and it's clearly served you well.

But you've made yourself an easy target for those seeking to harm you.

I think what Roger was suggesting (and if not, I'd be suggesting it anyway) is that you might also consider diversifying by having alternative "brands".

Many large and successful companies eventually, in effect, become their own competition by launching similar products to their market under different names. It gives their potential customers a wider choice and allows them to repeat several of their proven, successful marketing strategies. In that way, they're not re-inventing the wheel or trying to find different avenues.

And, from your point of view, you'd be a much harder target.

Frank

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Steven,

I may have misread, but I took Roger's post to mean something other than what you seem to have inferred.

It appears to me that your business is largely based on the reputation you've instilled in your name. There's certainly nothing wrong with that and it's clearly served you well.

But you've made yourself an easy target for those seeking to harm you.

I think what Roger was suggesting (and if not, I'd be suggesting it anyway) is that you might also consider diversifying by having alternative "brands".

Many large and successful companies eventually, in effect, become their own competition by launching similar products to their market under different names. It gives their potential customers a wider choice and allows them to repeat several of their proven, successful marketing strategies. In that way, they're not re-inventing the wheel or trying to find different avenues.

And, from your point of view, you'd be a much harder target.

Frank

Yeah, it's quite possible I misread Roger's point. At 7 something in the
morning, I'm not too bright.

Your idea, or Roger's, as the case may be, is an excellent one. In fact, I
am currently doing just that in a non IM niche with another Warrior.

Oh, and for the record, I have 4 online persona currently and looking to
expand that.

So yeah, that's a great idea. But finding avenues that aren't so worn out
is also a good thing to consider.

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Steve Peters Benn

14 years ago

Roger,

Trust you to come into the room and drop that bomb!

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JayXtreme

14 years ago

Surely YouTube has some sort of appeal process?...

I know you might not be too bothered about the actual videos, Steve... but that's not the point, is it?.

Some freak can come along for no reason and just start reporting all the videos in one person's account.. and they will disappear?...

I have a girl in a health niche who has about 30 hours of videos on various sites, one being YouTube... she'd be distraught if they went.

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Midas3 Consulting

14 years ago

What Jay said. There's so much competition on YT, it would be
a pretty scary place if all somebody had to do was spam flags to
a video and get somebody's account shut down.

There may be more to this than meets the eye and you need to
have words with them first before writing it off.

Here's some methods you can try to contact them

Contacting Support - YouTube Help

support@youtube.com

YouTube, LLC
901 Cherry Ave.
San Bruno, CA 94066
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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

What Jay said. There's so much competition on YT, it would be
a pretty scary place if all somebody had to do was spam flags to
a video and get somebody's account shut down.

That was exactly what happened with my account.

A guy with proxies and/or some friends go on flagging normal, unique, original videos and YT's team just close your account - simple as that.

Problem is: IF they have this "flag" mechanism active THEY HAVE TO HAVE someone checking the god damn flags!!!!

Otherwise, this is as good as a donkey in a cinema.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

That was exactly what happened with my account.

A guy with proxies and/or some friends go on flagging normal, unique, original videos and YT's team just close your account - simple as that.

Fernando, how do you know this?

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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Fernando, how do you know this?

Account with original videos, just graphic text and voice, no copyright issues, no self promotional, etc.

Oner video gets flagged and it's removed.
Another video gets flagged. Same problem.
3Rd video gets flagged. Account closed forever.

Simon, this was one account targeting a very lucrative niche market, I had sales everyday from these videos > landing page > product page.

The account was targeted by my competitors, no doubt in my mind.

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Midas3 Consulting

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Account with original videos, just graphic text and voice, no copyright issues, no self promotional, etc.

Oner video gets flagged and it's removed.
Another video gets flagged. Same problem.
3Rd video gets flagged. Account closed forever.

Simon, this was one account targeting a very lucrative niche market, I had sales everyday from these videos > landing page > product page.

The account was targeted by my competitors, no doubt in my mind.

Could well be, I was really trying to determine if Google had told you
this was the issue or whether it was more self determination.

When a video gets flagged it shows in your account presumably ?

I've never had one flagged.

Presumably it must also be a % based thing.

For example , some videos have 5 million views.

Presumably 20 people isn't enough to make that flag viable.

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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Could well be, I was really trying to determine if Google had told you
this was the issue or whether it was more self determination.

When a video gets flagged it shows in your account presumably ?

I've never had one flagged.

Presumably it must also be a % based thing.

For example , some videos have 5 million views.

Presumably 20 people isn't enough to make that flag viable.

This happened in a matter of days, very quickly, bang, bang, bang - closed.

One flag, 2, 3, account closed.

YT team just sends automated messages with "self promotional" or whatever it was, but the last one is a stupid message cause as Steven pointed they say "folllow this link to do something" but you can't follow the link cause your account it's closed.

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Midas3 Consulting

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

but the last one is a stupid message cause as Steven pointed they say "folllow this link to do something" but you can't follow the link cause your account it's closed.
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Not at all annoying then.

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14 years ago

This whole thread sounds like the next big thing in outsourcing. The ad would read like this:

"Have your competitors account deleted. Too much competition? No problem! We will have an army of workers with individual accounts flagging your competitors content for only $0.01 per flag! Bulk packages available! Order today!"

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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom

This whole thread sounds like the next big thing in outsourcing. The ad would read like this:

"Have your competitors account deleted. Too much competition? No problem! We will have an army of workers with individual accounts flagging your competitors content for only $0.01 per flag! Bulk packages available! Order today!"

Funny.

Feel free to share your account so we can do a test.

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thebitbotdotcom 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Funny.

Feel free to share your account so we can do a test.

Looks like it is already being tested...

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JimmyS

14 years ago

This is a bad thing...If this happened to you, it can happen to anybody... Does anybody around here know how to stop or prevent such thing to happen?

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alfredthomson

14 years ago

cant you sue them?? do they have right to delete your account without any bad activities??

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Midas3 Consulting

14 years ago

@Steven,

I was purely playing, no offense taken at all.

All the best, gl with YT fiasco.

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Damien Roche

14 years ago

This is shocking. Reminds of how many other sites deal with the 'flagging' method of moderation. Take Yahoo Answers for example - same thing. Too many flags, you're account is suspended and it doesn't matter how long you've been a member or whether you were breaking TOS or not.

They put too much trust in their visitors. That's the problem. It's laziness: they can't be assed moderating themselves so they have unqualified mystery guests do it for them.

I can understand this method on smaller sites (hell, I use it from time to time), but not on MONSTER sites like Yahoo and Youtube. They are turning over a pretty penny and shouldn't have ANY problems investing in this.

I've not hooked into the video traffic yet, but thanks for this warning Steve! Tell you what, think I'll be registering at a good 10 video sites.

I relied on a site once for my income. One day my account was unjustifiably deleted and I lost 80% of my earnings OVERNIGHT.

I keep saying this, I hope people drill it in their heads:

Do not build your business on somebody else's website.

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Rikki_Fawkes 14 years ago

Hey Steven,

Were you a YouTube partner? If so, you might try emailing:

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partner-support@youtube.com

They've always emailed me back within 48 hours when I email them here.

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DogScout

14 years ago

Allen should build his own video site. The number of warriors that would use it would have most of the videos on page one. Heck 3/4ths of the posts are on page one!

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Steven, unfortunately, (and you already know this) but you have some pretty passionate haters out there. Many of the "WF sucks websites" seem to mention your name???

Two weeks ago I came across two sites started by individuals that have an angst against the WF and both seem to feature your name as the centerpiece of their fury. You could just tell, based on the tone and vibe of these sites that the owners were out for vengeance against the WF for being banned.

As far as getting a YouTube acct banned, there are some rather simple tactics to doing so and that is most likely what those (*curse words) did.

Having shared that, I'm glad that you're not giving up. Honestly, you may have to present a politely written methodically laid out case proving that you did not violate any copyright or DMCA rules and show where the heat actually came from.

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jasonl70

14 years ago

wow... that really sucks that someone can so easily get someone's account closed down!

I would consider other video sites. At least from an organic search perspective, I get better results from most of the other sites.

Now imagine if the article directories had this same sort of mechanism in place. Or the other various web 2.0 sites like squidoo. A lot of people could have their business wiped out over night (it happened to me with ebay several years ago).

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I just made the most startling discovery and I honestly don't know what to
make of it other than somebody purposely went out of their way to get
my main YouTube account disabled.

1. All the content uploaded was original. In fact, they were all home made
videos.

2. None of the videos were of any objectionable material. My newest video
was 6 months old and some were years old.

3. I use NO black hat methods to drive traffic to any of my videos. I don't
think I had one video with more than 3,000 views.

When I look up my name at YouTube, I find spoof videos of me, but mine
are all gone. My whole account...gone.

Now, I don't rely on YouTube for much of my income so honestly, I don't
care if they killed my account. Whatever.

But I am 100% sure that the account was disabled because of something
that somebody did to get it disabled.

Thus, if this can happen to me, it can happen to anybody.

If you know me, you know I do everything by the book online. Hell, I
don't even use article spinners and submitters, which is considered tame
by some standards.

For my YouTube account to be yanked, somebody must have had it in
for me.

Let this be warning to anybody who thinks that things like this CAN'T
happen to them even if they did absolutely NOTHING to cause it to
happen.

It can.

Maybe its a good idea to have multple accounts?

Youtube do have some crazy rules and prolly caqn find a reason to disable all the accouints on youtube. Best to spread them out

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cashcow

14 years ago

A while back I got one of my videos deleted and according to my research, they do a manual review of any flagged video before they delete it and give you a "violation".

My video was actually one of those video articles with one of the horrid computer voices so it probably should have been deleted. But, I can't imagine that any of Steven's would have been seen as spammy or in violation.

You are allowed 3 "violations" within a certain time period (I think 6 months??). After 6 months your "violation" goes away. But if you accumulate 2 more within that time period you get your account deleted. Needless to say, I removed all my spammy videos.

So, I don't think it's that easy to get someone banned due to the manual review part, how or why Steven's didn't pass that is a mystery though.

Lee

BTW - isn't against the TOS to have more than 1 account?

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cashcow

A while back I got one of my videos deleted and according to my research, they do a manual review of any flagged video before they delete it and give you a "violation".

My video was actually one of those video articles with one of the horrid computer voices so it probably should have been deleted. But, I can't imagine that any of Steven's would have been seen as spammy or in violation.

You are allowed 3 "violations" within a certain time period (I think 6 months??). After 6 months your "violation" goes away. But if you accumulate 2 more within that time period you get your account deleted. Needless to say, I removed all my spammy videos.

So, I don't think it's that easy to get someone banned due to the manual review part, how or why Steven's didn't pass that is a mystery though.

Lee

BTW - isn't against the TOS to have more than 1 account?

Actually, I did a couple of those Xtranormal videos just for fun. There
was nothing promotional about them. In fact, they were a total goof.

Id that's what got me banned than that's just totally insane. I wasn't
even promoting a product in them.

I think some of the people here might remember the one where I was
interviewing a couple of the characters. There was even a thread here
about it.

And if those videos were a problem (I did them so long ago...In fact, it
was in September of last year) why first delete my account now? What,
all this time they have no problems with those videos and all of a sudden
they're no good?

Why not just delete the two videos and leave the rest of my account with
its 50 plus videos of quality content alone?

Sorry, the whole thing is just bull sh*t.

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Dan C. Rinnert

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Actually, I did a couple of those Xtranormal videos just for fun. There
was nothing promotional about them. In fact, they were a total goof.

I don't see where that would be an issue. I think Xtranormal even has instructions on their site for uploading your finished video to YouTube, so it seems to me to be unlikely to be a copyright violation or something like that.

You said your last video was posted 6 months ago. When was your last login? Is there any chance someone cracked your password and broke into your account? If so, they could have done any number of things to get you banned.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

I don't see where that would be an issue. I think Xtranormal even has instructions on their site for uploading your finished video to YouTube, so it seems to me to be unlikely to be a copyright violation or something like that.

You said your last video was posted 6 months ago. When was your last login? Is there any chance someone cracked your password and broke into your account? If so, they could have done any number of things to get you banned.

Dan, my last login was pretty recent. Certainly within the last 30 to 60
days. I don't really do a lot with the account anymore (one of the reasons
I'm not stewing right now) but I never imagined something like this would
happen. Had I known, I would have checked daily.

What I don't get is this. When you get flagged by somebody, doesn't a
notification get sent to your email? I mean what are we supposed to do,
check every single one of our videos each day to make sure there isn't
a problem?

Know what? I need to just drop this because the more I think about it,
the more pissed off I'm getting.

I mean for crying out loud, I could understand if I spammed or did
something wrong...but sheeesh...I'm probably one of the cleanest YouTube
marketers out there.

Idiots.

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Dan C. Rinnert 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

What I don't get is this. When you get flagged by somebody, doesn't a
notification get sent to your email?

I would think so, but I don't know for certain.

Hopefully, you'll hear something from YouTube. If it's just a matter of enough people flagging your videos to get your account banned, that's a system that's ripe for abuse.
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14 years ago

Actually, I did a couple of those Xtranormal videos just for fun. There
was nothing promotional about them. In fact, they were a total goof.

I don't think it was those videos. Those videos were cute (I'm on your list and remember you sending a link to one).

Mine weren't cute like that. Mine were just article text with this robotic voice reading the text. They were bad. Deserved to be deleted.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by cashcow

I don't think it was those videos. Those videos were cute (I'm on your list and remember you sending a link to one).

Mine weren't cute like that. Mine were just article text with this robotic voice reading the text. They were bad. Deserved to be deleted.

It's obvious somebody was just out to screw me...period.

Well, I hope they got their little laugh out of it.

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Midas3 Consulting

14 years ago

Steve, I just did a search on YT and found a channel of yours,
working just fine I presume it's another one that got yanked?

"Get A Life" ROFL, do some more like that please, no rush,
now will do.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Steve, I just did a search on YT and found a channel of yours,
working just fine I presume it's another one that got yanked?

"Get A Life" ROFL, do some more like that please, no rush,
now will do.

Yeah Simon, it was my business account that got yanked.

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ChrisBa

14 years ago

Youtube seems to be really cracking down, maybe they did research and they were trying to use you as an example? (who knows, anything can happen)

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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ChrisBa

Youtube seems to be really cracking down, maybe they were trying to use you as an example?

Yeah, let's use the kid who doesn't know black hat from a f*****g hole in
the ground and can his ass while there are accounts out there that I'd
be ashamed to have my name associated with...and videos getting millions
of views.

For those in the "adult" niche, you know what I'm talking about.
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Janice Sperry

14 years ago

I have had two different friends lose their YT accounts virtually overnight. In both cases a competitor got his friends/affiliates to all start flagging the account and bam they were gone. No explanation no appeal if I remember. Both were in MLM type businesses. In the first case a puppet from the competitor admitted/bragged what they had done. He even posted a screen shot of the instructions they were given in another forum. Black hat at its worst!!!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by JMS

I have had two different friends lose their YT accounts virtually overnight. In both cases a competitor got his friends/affiliates to all start flagging the account and bam they were gone. No explanation no appeal if I remember. Both were in MLM type businesses. In the first case a puppet from the competitor admitted/bragged what they had done. He even posted a screen shot of the instructions they were given in another forum. Black hat at its worst!!!

Absurd, truly, there should be a simple appeal process.

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Fernando Veloso 14 years ago

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Absurd, truly, there should be a simple appeal process.

And there should be a HUMAN eye checking the flags.
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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Absurd, truly, there should be a simple appeal process.

There should be a lot of things in a fair world.

Unfortunately, we don't live in a fair world. So we learn to accept that or
we go crazy trying to fight it.

I prefer the former over the latter.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I just made the most startling discovery and I honestly don't know what to
make of it other than somebody purposely went out of their way to get
my main YouTube account disabled.

1. All the content uploaded was original. In fact, they were all home made
videos.

2. None of the videos were of any objectionable material. My newest video
was 6 months old and some were years old.

3. I use NO black hat methods to drive traffic to any of my videos. I don't
think I had one video with more than 3,000 views.

When I look up my name at YouTube, I find spoof videos of me, but mine
are all gone. My whole account...gone.

Now, I don't rely on YouTube for much of my income so honestly, I don't
care if they killed my account. Whatever.

But I am 100% sure that the account was disabled because of something
that somebody did to get it disabled.

Thus, if this can happen to me, it can happen to anybody.

If you know me, you know I do everything by the book online. Hell, I
don't even use article spinners and submitters, which is considered tame
by some standards.

For my YouTube account to be yanked, somebody must have had it in
for me.

Let this be warning to anybody who thinks that things like this CAN'T
happen to them even if they did absolutely NOTHING to cause it to
happen.

It can.

If I wrote and sang like some of the Videos you have out on Youtube I would expect my Account to be disabled too !!

Sorry couldn't help myself !!!!!

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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

If I wrote and sang like some of the Videos you have out on Youtube I would expect my Account to be disabled too !!

Sorry couldn't help myself !!!!! lol

Yeah, well there are a lot of people out there with less talent than I have
and they've still got their accounts.
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Michael Mayo

14 years ago

Steven,
That sux...

Maybe you're in the YT Sandbox until the complaints are reviewed?
I would hope that is the case and that shortly you'll receive and email
notifying you about the issue.

Hopefully you can get through and work it out with them.
They should still have it stored on their systems.

Good Luck with it,
Have a Great Day!
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

Steven,
That sux...

Maybe you're in the YT Sandbox until the complaints are reviewed?
I would hope that is the case and that shortly you'll receive and email
notifying you about the issue.

Hopefully you can get through and work it out with them.
They should still have it stored on their systems.

Good Luck with it,
Have a Great Day!
Michael

Well, if I could get them to respond to me with something more than
just an automated email to reset my password (which I did but still no
luck) maybe I could get some kind of an answer. But trying to actually
get a reply from Google is like trying to get one from the President of the
United States...maybe harder.

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TheStopNetworks

14 years ago

People are shady. They think by taking away somebody else's business, it will improve theirs. They need to grow up. Becoming successful is all about who you surround yourself with.

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kyhell

14 years ago

speaking from experience yes if someone doesn't want you on youtube it only takes less than an hour to false flag and account and the file DMCA'a to have an account suspended. contacting youtube to have it restored only yields a 30% success ratio.
its a common tactic in vlog wars and happens when a person wants to eliminate competition. when it comes to youtube i always run multiple accounts. when i upload a video i always upload the same video to all my accounts (at different file sizes) i keep all of them on private except on the main account and when i get an account smoked i wait a few days to let my rival gloat and then i activate my "reserve account".

because its so easy to knock out an account at youtube i never use it to embed sales videos to my niche sites because once your account is suspended then your embeds are gone to.

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14 years ago

While it's not ideal, I guess this highlights another benefit of TubeMogul,
TrafficGeyser etc.

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Mukul Verma

14 years ago

What do you think?

I just uploaded 30 videos on my account. I am about to upload another 30 to 40 videos. I am thinking after this thread of doing it under a different account.

What would pro's and con's be besides if someone attacks me, that I dont lose all my videos.

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JayXtreme

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mukul Verma

What do you think?

I just uploaded 30 videos on my account. I am about to upload another 30 to 40 videos. I am thinking after this thread of doing it under a different account.

What would pro's and con's be besides if someone attacks me, that I dont lose all my videos.

Cheers,
Mukul

I would spread them around onto different video sharing sites and also keep them stored.

I'm in a little bit of shock that there is no appeal process for this on YouTube.

In the congested niches, they must have this happening all the flippin' time.

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Nonny 14 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

I'm in a little bit of shock that there is no appeal process for this on YouTube.

Suspended and Disabled accounts - YouTube Help
Suspended account inquiry - YouTube Help (The form lets you include a very brief "Reason for Appeal")

I don't know what the odds are of an appeal working - it may be a very slim chance of you getting your account back.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mukul Verma

What do you think?

I just uploaded 30 videos on my account. I am about to upload another 30 to 40 videos. I am thinking after this thread of doing it under a different account.

What would pro's and con's be besides if someone attacks me, that I dont lose all my videos.

Cheers,
Mukul

Definitely spread those videos around between 3 or 4 accounts. I know it's a pain but worth it in the end.

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Danielle Zack

14 years ago

It sucks that people can be that way. Thanks for the warning. A perfect example of why we must use pleanty of different avenues to market. Social media is great but if we don't host it ourselves, we can loose it.

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14 years ago

Steven.

Another potential source of communication:

YouTube Help

I notice there are Google employees answering questions on there.

Worth a bash if the traditional channels don't pay dividends.

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Deepak Media

14 years ago

I have given this a lot of thought.

Even if you are 100% ethical honest value creator, some people may not like you. They will create problems with you and if you are not submissive, they will become aggressive. May be they are just plain jealous.

People will not hurt or harm anyone in the real world just because they dislike someone because it is too complicated. Face to face... it can't happen.

But since the online world is too "up in the air". Anyone from Japan can hurt a person in Alaska.

In my bike blog, when I say a bike is not good, people who own that bike get angry. And I can't do it otherwise because my goal is to help people make a good buying decision, that's why 99% of them visit my blog in the first place.

Perhaps using an Alias name is a good idea but it is a bad idea anyway if you want to build a long term business.

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Sonomacats 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Deepak Media

People will not hurt or harm anyone in the real world just because they dislike someone because it is too complicated. Face to face... it can't happen.

What planet do you live on? Of course it can happen in the real world. Someone takes a dislike to you and trashes your car, or breaks into your storage locker, or goes out of their way to get you fired or make your life hell. It happens all the time. I've experienced it myself more than once. There's little accountability any more and unfortunately few people get nailed to the wall for that kind of thing.

Moving that kind of trash behavior to the online world is hardly surprising. Still stinks, but trashy people do trashy things and most of the time get away with it.

Unless you want to spend all your time and energy dealing with crap like this, you have to take precautions against it.

It's the best reason for using a pseudonym - saves all kinds of grief. I have 8 and will probably have more just to cut down on the headaches.
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mrsray

14 years ago

when people can just go and get their competitors account deleted ... what sounds like so easily too, there is a problem

vindictive people ... I hope what comes around really does go around

I've heard of the same kind of thing with adsense, click fraud to peoples pages from vindictive people

this makes it tough to become an authority if you ask me, cause you can't please everyone

yet you have to watch out, cause anyone can take steps to make your online life totally miserable

sorry to hear what happened to you steven

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I just made the most startling discovery and I honestly don't know what to
make of it other than somebody purposely went out of their way to get
my main YouTube account disabled.

1. All the content uploaded was original. In fact, they were all home made
videos.

2. None of the videos were of any objectionable material. My newest video
was 6 months old and some were years old.

3. I use NO black hat methods to drive traffic to any of my videos. I don't
think I had one video with more than 3,000 views.

When I look up my name at YouTube, I find spoof videos of me, but mine
are all gone. My whole account...gone.

Now, I don't rely on YouTube for much of my income so honestly, I don't
care if they killed my account. Whatever.

But I am 100% sure that the account was disabled because of something
that somebody did to get it disabled.

Thus, if this can happen to me, it can happen to anybody.

If you know me, you know I do everything by the book online. Hell, I
don't even use article spinners and submitters, which is considered tame
by some standards.

For my YouTube account to be yanked, somebody must have had it in
for me.

Let this be warning to anybody who thinks that things like this CAN'T
happen to them even if they did absolutely NOTHING to cause it to
happen.

It can.

I talked to a guy not too long ago and his whole purpose in life was to flag anybody who had videos about making money from home or network marketing. He said he vowed to get every "scammer" kicked off of youtube.
There are people who HATE certain niches like work from home and cash gifting and are going to try their best to get you kicked off. In the event they do get you kicked off... I'd just start a new one. I use Amazon hosting now for my most important videos and youtube and all the free video sharing sites for my less important items.

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Jeremy Lacer

14 years ago

Too bad to hear! My income depents for like 30% on Youtube, so thanks for the tip. Isn't there anyway to protect your account or something?

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kyhell 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Qwerty0906

Too bad to hear! My income depents for like 30% on Youtube, so thanks for the tip. Isn't there anyway to protect your account or something?

Thanks.

the answer simply put is No. because of googles recent Lawsuits over copyright infringement they have a better safe than sorry mentality.
as i stated before with the exception of youtube partners any account can be permanently suspended in less than an hour
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