Is Ezine articles dead?

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It seems like no matter what i submit to them these days i only get few views here and there.

Has anyone else experienced the same thing?

Or is it just me?
#articles #dead #ezine
  • Profile picture of the author lacraiger
    its definitely not as easy as before
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      He with the most premium accounts and slap you in the mouth articles wins.
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      • Profile picture of the author thomarv29
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        He with the most premium accounts and slap you in the mouth articles wins.
        Funny and true at the same time..
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      • Profile picture of the author Shannon Spoon
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        He with the most premium accounts and slap you in the mouth articles wins.
        Well i have one premium account and two standard ones but i can only submit so many articles in a day.
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmJT
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        He with the most premium accounts and slap you in the mouth articles wins.
        lol true true
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      • Profile picture of the author contactscape
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        He with the most premium accounts and slap you in the mouth articles wins.
        Exactly.

        I second that notion
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      • Profile picture of the author eQuus
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        He with the most premium accounts and slap you in the mouth articles wins.
        Please explain premium accounts -- what are they?
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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          Originally Posted by eQuus View Post

          Please explain premium accounts -- what are they?
          eQuus,

          On Ezine Articles, 'premium' accounts are those accounts that people pay for in exchange for additional perks or bonuses.

          Is Premium Service Right for You?

          EzineArticles Premium Membership

          Now the question is, and this has been raised in previous threads, but if it is REALLY even worth it....

          Some will say yes...some will say no....It all depends on where you are and what you hope to get out of EZA....
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          • Profile picture of the author Rikki_Fawkes
            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            eQuus,

            On Ezine Articles, 'premium' accounts are those accounts that people pay for in exchange for additional perks or bonuses.

            Is Premium Service Right for You?

            EzineArticles Premium Membership

            Now the question is, and this has been raised in previous threads, but if it is REALLY even worth it....

            Some will say yes...some will say no....It all depends on where you are and what you hope to get out of EZA....
            Is there any benefit to premium besides article scheduling? I can't believe it would make you that much more money, but I could be wrong...
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            • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
              Originally Posted by Rikki_Fawkes View Post

              Is there any benefit to premium besides article scheduling? I can't believe it would make you that much more money, but I could be wrong...
              It might actually have been worth the subscription if the adsense banners were removed from your articles.

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            • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
              Originally Posted by Rikki_Fawkes View Post

              Is there any benefit to premium besides article scheduling? I can't believe it would make you that much more money, but I could be wrong...
              I'll try to dig up a post that, I believe, Steven W. had begun....I only remember it vaguely, but I believe he talked about whether or not 'premium' was really worth it...

              For some reason, I think that thread was eventually locked....

              Honestly, it's just another way to monetize the site....Dependent on one's situation, $97 'may' be worth, but for most, it probably isn't worth it....

              They are probably using the high price to make the feature at least have the appearance of exclusivity....like being in an 'elite club' if you purchase it...
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            • Profile picture of the author TimG
              Originally Posted by Rikki_Fawkes View Post

              Is there any benefit to premium besides article scheduling? I can't believe it would make you that much more money, but I could be wrong...
              Some could argue that the keyword phrase data they provide for each article might be worth the premium membership cost.

              As a premium member you would receive the top 30 keyword phrases used to find each of your articles. If you have a ton of articles this data could indeed prove to be valuable because you could then write articles targeting the phrases that are being used to find your current crop of articles.

              There is also the benefit of being able to store a variety of resource boxes (I think 12 is the limit) that might save some time provided you are a prolific writer and use pen names or write about different niches.

              Keep in mind that the standard cost is $97 a month but if you purchase a 12 month subscription the price drops to about $58 a month.

              Now, with all that said, I don't personally have a premium account.

              Respectfully,
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            • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
              Originally Posted by Rikki_Fawkes View Post

              Is there any benefit to premium besides article scheduling? I can't believe it would make you that much more money, but I could be wrong...
              Everyone here probably knows which 'place' I most fond of publishing to...

              With that said, if we think maybe a few years into the future, I just can't see a model, that requires payment, will actually endure, especially when new and innovative platforms are emerging that offer writers essentially the same thing BUT with revenue share....

              EZA has made it clear that they don't and won't share revenue....and, the funny thing is...it was unveiled, I believe earlier in this thread, that by virtue of having so many visitors/traffic, EZA can essentially host more than the norm of Adsense ads AND nogotiate revenue share directly with Google...

              ...yet...they don't share any of that with writers, but, instead, ask them to consider paying a premium membership fee....

              Call me a skeptic....I just don't see that lasting for the very long term, unless they pile up some more offers, onto that premium membership, that make it REALLY worth it....

              Right now, others here have suggested that it really isn't worth it.
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          • Profile picture of the author eQuus
            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            eQuus,

            On Ezine Articles, 'premium' accounts are those accounts that people pay for in exchange for additional perks or bonuses.

            Is Premium Service Right for You?

            EzineArticles Premium Membership

            Now the question is, and this has been raised in previous threads, but if it is REALLY even worth it....

            Some will say yes...some will say no....It all depends on where you are and what you hope to get out of EZA....
            Thank you x3xsolxdierx3x for the info
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    • Profile picture of the author createyouwealth
      Its definitely not as easy as it used to be. But it does play a good role in for back linking purposes.
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  • Profile picture of the author thomarv29
    I think there is now so much trash on these sites that they are rarely ever seen. I used software to submit to 120 directories and they posted fine but i got no real results from it... kind of wasted my time with it lol Oh well you have to pay stupid tax lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Spoon
    Yes i used software to submit to close to 300 articles directories. I actually bought the software here on the WF from a stand up guy. So what is up with that?

    I don't even bother using it anymore because i did not get any traffic from it.
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    • Profile picture of the author thomarv29
      Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon View Post

      Yes i used software to submit to close to 300 articles directories. I actually bought the software here on the WF from a stand up guy. So what is up with that?

      I don't even bother using it anymore because i did not get any traffic from it.
      I think the directories have a way of knowing if the articles are submitted using software... If so they may block it from being searchable and indexed. I only had one article that actually got indexed by Google and i had submitted 15 articles to over 150 directories... maybe i wasnt doing something right though. who knows.
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      • Profile picture of the author Blade Runner 77
        I've been in ezines for 6 months and can establish that the articles are creating traffic and sales as I have no other publicity going on.
        Whats interesting is the one single article that sold a dozen 40 dollar appliances from Amazon. The 5% commission is almost as good as doing it for free though. Just for larfs I'm going to push it hard to see how high that will run to. Lessee 50 $2 sales a day, I can do it.
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        • Profile picture of the author William Gent
          Hello, kind of new and still getting my wings. I too have submitted a number of articles. I am thinking of branching out.
          Can you tell me, is it a good idea to write reviews of products on ezine with the hopcode to get affiliate sales? Does that work? Ezine does not allow links in the articles, though.
          Thanks as like many I am trying and working hard to get in the game.
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      • Profile picture of the author mmp0427
        Originally Posted by thomarv29 View Post

        I think the directories have a way of knowing if the articles are submitted using software... If so they may block it from being searchable and indexed. I only had one article that actually got indexed by Google and i had submitted 15 articles to over 150 directories... maybe i wasnt doing something right though. who knows.
        Yea I think it's because of the software they probably do know
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon View Post

      Yes i used software to submit to close to 300 articles directories. I actually bought the software here on the WF from a stand up guy. So what is up with that?

      I don't even bother using it anymore because i did not get any traffic from it.

      There is nothing wrong with the software...your expectations were wrong.

      Mass submission of articles isn't going to do a thing to your traffic stats, at least not enough to notice.

      Think about it, how many times to do you see eddysa1articledirectory or easyarticlesubmissiondirectory on the front page of any of the search engines?

      The answer: not often or NEVER

      So, how can those directories bring you any traffic?

      The reason that most people do mass submissions is for the SEO benefit, not because they think they are going to get floods of traffic.

      People don't use EZA or AricleBase like a search engine...meaning they don't go there looking for content, just like they don't go to the directories in your submission software...Directories like EZA and articlebase provide traffic to you due to the fact that they have so much content on the first page of the various search engines...so when people click on the article that is ranking, they often visit articles that are in the sections like the "other recently submitted" or "most viewed" etc...which is why when your article drops off of the "other recently submitted" list unless you are ranked, your traffic is all done.
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      • Profile picture of the author Shannon Spoon
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        There is nothing wrong with the software...your expectations were wrong.

        Mass submission of articles isn't going to do a thing to your traffic stats, at least not enough to notice.

        Think about it, how many times to do you see eddysa1articledirectory or easyarticlesubmissiondirectory on the front page of any of the search engines?

        The answer: not often or NEVER

        So, how can those directories bring you any traffic?

        The reason that most people do mass submissions is for the SEO benefit, not because they think they are going to get floods of traffic.

        People don't use EZA or AricleBase like a search engine...meaning they don't go there looking for content, just like they don't go to the directories in your submission software...Directories like EZA and articlebase provide traffic to you due to the fact that they have so much content on the first page of the various search engines...so when people click on the article that is ranking, they often visit articles that are in the sections like the "other recently submitted" or "most viewed" etc...which is why when your article drops off of the "other recently submitted" list unless you are ranked, your traffic is all done.
        Yes i do see what you are saying. I suppose i was thrown by the sales page and it being called "Traffic Mania" but your right i was being nieve to think i would get a lot of traffic from that software, but what else good is it then? For backlinks?
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon View Post

          Yes i do see what you are saying. I suppose i was thrown by the sales page and it being called "Traffic Mania" but your right i was being nieve to think i would get a lot of traffic from that software, but what else good is it then? For backlinks?
          Yes, backlinks - and long term the backlinks are in many cases more important than the traffic. With the right backlinks you can actually get your site or other articles ranked in a way that you get traffic for the "long term" and don't need to submit article after article after article to actually make some bank.

          Article directories that rank on the first page of search engine = Traffic
          Article directories that don't = Backlinks
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          • Profile picture of the author Rolliesworld
            Is there a chance that Google's "May Day" (google: 'google mayday long tail' or similar) changes impact adversely (ie. giving lower priority) to content from article directories...incl. Ezine, one of their favourite?

            Or did they target mainly long tail keywords in general, especially placed on poor content websites?

            Traditionally, articles were one of the most favoured sources for good content by Google. Crappy content with too many keywords could be a problem. Now using long-tail is a problem, too I think.
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      • Profile picture of the author David
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        There is nothing wrong with the software...your expectations were wrong.

        Mass submission of articles isn't going to do a thing to your traffic stats, at least not enough to notice.

        Think about it, how many times to do you see eddysa1articledirectory or easyarticlesubmissiondirectory on the front page of any of the search engines?

        The answer: not often or NEVER

        So, how can those directories bring you any traffic?

        The reason that most people do mass submissions is for the SEO benefit, not because they think they are going to get floods of traffic.

        People don't use EZA or AricleBase like a search engine...meaning they don't go there looking for content, just like they don't go to the directories in your submission software...Directories like EZA and articlebase provide traffic to you due to the fact that they have so much content on the first page of the various search engines...so when people click on the article that is ranking, they often visit articles that are in the sections like the "other recently submitted" or "most viewed" etc...which is why when your article drops off of the "other recently submitted" list unless you are ranked, your traffic is all done.
        I rarely disagree with you and have paid close attention to a lot of your replies but I just gotta speak up on this one....

        Everything in your reply is dead on with my observations and battle testing except:

        I DO use EZA as a search engine and DO repost to some of my blogs

        you're correct, more than a few articles up there and on the majority of article directories aren't worth reposting.. but there are some gems.

        I just got friended by someone on Facebook.. she's a prolific copywriter
        I checked her out and re-bloged a very good article within minutes of my checking her out.
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      • Profile picture of the author dfloyd
        Good comment, Jeremy. You obviously get it. SEO factor is the number 1 benefit of article submissions and Rome wasn't built in a day.
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      • Profile picture of the author Yoel Cohen
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        ...Directories like EZA and articlebase provide traffic to you due to the fact that they have so much content on the first page of the various search engines...so when people click on the article that is ranking, they often visit articles that are in the sections like the "other recently submitted" or "most viewed" etc...which is why when your article drops off of the "other recently submitted" list unless you are ranked, your traffic is all done.
        Exactly!

        EZA get's more than 8,000,000 UNIQUE visitors/month

        AND 65% of that comes from the search engines...do the math:rolleyes:

        Learn how to "Legally steal that" Why does it get so much traffic?

        Well because its structured in a "very special" way called: A Silo structured website...

        You don't need to write amazing articles to get tons of traffic nor do you need to get it published by others (that doesnt mean that it can't help) all you need to know is how to "Piggyback" correctly on EZA'a incredible authority and use that...
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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          Yes. Not bashing them, but, again, doesn't this throw up some red flags that at least makes you WONDER what is going on over there? Don't get me wrong, 8,000,000 is nothing to laugh about, but, why such a big drop in their traffic June 2008 until now?

          ezinearticles.com - Quantcast Audience Profile

          I'm not saying it's dead or dying (Check my previous posts in this massive thread), but...I just don't get it...

          Does everyone else see what I'm seeing? From what I can see, they were pushing as high as 14,000,000 visitors a month, to now, where, according to quantcast, it looks like they have around 7,000,000/month, and it is a consistent seeping trend that has been going on for months....that's nearly 1/2 it's traffic lost since June-ish 2008....

          Am I the only one that sees this and is wondering why?

          Originally Posted by Yoel Cohen View Post

          Exactly!

          EZA get's more than 8,000,000 UNIQUE visitors/month

          AND 65% of that comes from the search engines...do the math:rolleyes:

          Learn how to "Legally steal that" Why does it get so much traffic?

          Well because its structured in a "very special" way called: A Silo structured website...

          You don't need to write amazing articles to get tons of traffic nor do you need to get it published by others (that doesnt mean that it can't help) all you need to know is how to "Piggyback" correctly on EZA'a incredible authority and use that...
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          • Profile picture of the author TimG
            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            Yes. Not bashing them, but, again, doesn't this throw up some red flags that at least makes you WONDER what is going on over there? Don't get me wrong, 8,000,000 is nothing to laugh about, but, why such a big drop in their traffic June 2008 until now?

            ezinearticles.com - Quantcast Audience Profile

            I'm not saying it's dead or dying (Check my previous posts in this massive thread), but...I just don't get it...

            Does everyone else see what I'm seeing? From what I can see, they were pushing as high as 14,000,000 visitors a month, to now, where, according to quantcast, it looks like they have around 7,000,000/month, and it is a consistent seeping trend that has been going on for months....that's nearly 1/2 it's traffic lost since June-ish 2008....

            Am I the only one that sees this and is wondering why?
            Maybe they are actually getting back down to their regular levels of traffic and the June 2009 month was a traffic spike due to the influx of articles they were receiving at that time.

            Sometimes they hold their 100 article challenges and they could have had tons of participation at that time or maybe that's when they started tweeting their articles.

            To a large extent the authors control their traffic levels based on the articles we write and submit. If we have the right keywords then more views which is good for EZA.

            Maybe they cleared out a ton of articles from their directory as they can do that and this effected traffic levels.

            I think if they were really losing lots of money due to the decrease in traffic we would have seen some actions on their part.

            I'm just throwing wild guesses out here because truthfully only Christopher Knight can address their traffic patterns.

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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Chris announced that a lot of articles were going to get canned, as well
              as accounts themselves. It was on his blog somewhere. I don't remember
              where or when.

              If you recall, there was a big to-do about the crappy articles being submitted
              and how Chris was going to tighten the reigns.

              That is why you've seen a drop in traffic. The affiliates who refused to write
              better articles got canned and went elsewhere.

              What you saw before, THAT traffic was an aberration due to all the crap
              that they used to accept.

              You're never going to see those kind of numbers again, but not because
              EZA is no longer popular with marketers.

              Yes, there IS a lot more competition out there, but take a look at the
              articles that appear on the top of the SERPs for most keywords. After
              Wikipedia, which really kicks ass, EZA is right there towards the top.
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            • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
              I don't mean to be all doom and gloom here, but my analytical mind kicks in whenever money is involved....lol

              Just for comparison purposes, here, I am comparing Squidoo and HubPages because they are foremost leaders with a TON of traffic (as you can see). Now, people have told me that they, and EZA, are websites that are designed to do entirely different things. I always saw both as directories, that either share revenue or don't share revenue, where writers/whoever post their content in return for the search engine authority established by the collective usage of the sites.

              Of course, also, quantcast isn't always the most accurate, but, I think based on this chart, it is certainly substantiating the value of sharing revenue (as I had mentioned earlier in this thread). There could be a variety of reasons attributable to the traffic decline of EZA. Perhaps it is controlled, and, as mentioned, the owners are gutting out the crap and dead weight (which IS important definitely). It just 'seems' to be steadily declining, while the SEO masterminds behind revenue share-type sites are gobbling up ALOT of traffic.

              I'd like to think of traffic as a limited resource. Even though the internet is growing substantial each day, there is always somekind of limit on the traffic that everyone is ultimately competing for. I think there is certainly "room for everyone" or at least several key players, but I think it's hard to deny that the competition is, in fact, getting tougher and tougher, all vying for that limited, albeit massive, traffic.

              And, to add another thing: All I can see is many many hybrid revenue share/article submission business models emerging, and, the fundamental monetization strategy of EZA, it's premium adsense accout (read earlier in the thread) affords them the opportunity to host more ads AND negotiate their revenue share directly with Google, yet they don't share a penny of that with users. I know they have a business to run, but, why would I ever consider posting the written substance of my passion there, not get revenue share AND pay $97/month for a premium account, when I could gain that search engine authority elsewhere, AND earn a revenue share?

              Granted....the issues go much much deeper, but this post should suffice for the basics of my stance. Enjoy the graph It wound up be further down in my post than I had initially intended...lol


              Originally Posted by TimG View Post

              Maybe they are actually getting back down to their regular levels of traffic and the June 2009 month was a traffic spike due to the influx of articles they were receiving at that time.

              Sometimes they hold their 100 article challenges and they could have had tons of participation at that time or maybe that's when they started tweeting their articles.

              To a large extent the authors control their traffic levels based on the articles we write and submit. If we have the right keywords then more views which is good for EZA.

              Maybe they cleared out a ton of articles from their directory as they can do that and this effected traffic levels.

              I think if they were really losing lots of money due to the decrease in traffic we would have seen some actions on their part.

              I'm just throwing wild guesses out here because truthfully only Christopher Knight can address their traffic patterns.

              Tim
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            Yes. Not bashing them, but, again, doesn't this throw up some red flags that at least makes you WONDER what is going on over there? Don't get me wrong, 8,000,000 is nothing to laugh about, but, why such a big drop in their traffic June 2008 until now?
            The traffic dip is 2 parts....

            1. They deleted a ton of articles that were getting thousands and thousands of views sometimes daily that had to do with some niches that they wanted to part ways with. I know this, because some of the articles were mine

            2. Sites like ArticleBase are starting to gain more favor in the search engines for some of the same niches that EZA has dominated for...well...since I came online in 2007

            EZA is effective if you understand how to use it. The backlinks have pretty much been devalued to the point where it is a waste of time to submit there for that reason, but if you can pick the winning niches on EZA, you can easily make $100+ a day just submitting a few articles a day OR if you are smart having someone else submit them while you do other things.
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            • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
              Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

              The traffic dip is 2 parts....

              1. They deleted a ton of articles that were getting thousands and thousands of views sometimes daily that had to do with some niches that they wanted to part ways with. I know this, because some of the articles were mine

              2. Sites like ArticleBase are starting to gain more favor in the search engines for some of the same niches that EZA has dominated for...well...since I came online in 2007

              EZA is effective if you understand how to use it. The backlinks have pretty much been devalued to the point where it is a waste of time to submit there for that reason, but if you can pick the winning niches on EZA, you can easily make $100+ a day just submitting a few articles a day OR if you are smart having someone else submit them while you do other things.
              ah...so, it looks like their drop in traffic was essentially self-imposed in an effort to greater 'control' their platform.

              "EZA is effective if you understand how to use it."

              I'm sure alot of people jump in without really understanding how to use it.

              "They deleted a ton of articles that were getting thousands and thousands of views sometimes daily that had to do with some niches that they wanted to part ways with."

              My curiosity can't help but ask 'what niches are they?' Of course, I completely understand if you don't want to reveal that (since that's where your articles had so much success)....do you only use EZA sparingly now?
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              • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

                My curiosity can't help but ask 'what niches are they?' Of course, I completely understand if you don't want to reveal that (since that's where your articles had so much success)....do you only use EZA sparingly now?
                The ones that hit me the hardest were the digital download and duplication type niches...such as video games, music, videos, etc....

                But there are a couple of different niches where they just stopped accepting content, or make it almost impossible to get it published, and in many of the cases, these types of niches were the ones where it was very easy to rank on EZA with because they were already seen as an authority.
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                • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
                  Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

                  The ones that hit me the hardest were the digital download and duplication type niches...such as video games, music, videos, etc....

                  But there are a couple of different niches where they just stopped accepting content, or make it almost impossible to get it published, and in many of the cases, these types of niches were the ones where it was very easy to rank on EZA with because they were already seen as an authority.
                  So, they completely deleted your articles? Did they give you forwarning? (So you had time to strip them off and/or save them to an external Word document or something)

                  For such a high ranking website, I'd like to think that they know what they are doing when they make moves like that....
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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          If you don't mind me asking, where did you get the 8,000,000 Uniques figure from Yoel? Not questioning it....on the quantcast chart I had posted, it says it is a "rough estimate"....You'd think they'd have a more accurate estimate for a site as popular as EZA....

          Originally Posted by Yoel Cohen View Post

          Exactly!

          EZA get's more than 8,000,000 UNIQUE visitors/month

          AND 65% of that comes from the search engines...do the math:rolleyes:

          Learn how to "Legally steal that" Why does it get so much traffic?

          Well because its structured in a "very special" way called: A Silo structured website...

          You don't need to write amazing articles to get tons of traffic nor do you need to get it published by others (that doesnt mean that it can't help) all you need to know is how to "Piggyback" correctly on EZA'a incredible authority and use that...
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          • Profile picture of the author Yoel Cohen
            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            Yes. Not bashing them, but, again, doesn't this throw up some red flags that at least makes you WONDER what is going on over there? Don't get me wrong, 8,000,000 is nothing to laugh about, but, why such a big drop in their traffic June 2008 until now?

            ezinearticles.com - Quantcast Audience Profile

            I'm not saying it's dead or dying (Check my previous posts in this massive thread), but...I just don't get it...

            Does everyone else see what I'm seeing? From what I can see, they were pushing as high as 14,000,000 visitors a month, to now, where, according to quantcast, it looks like they have around 7,000,000/month, and it is a consistent seeping trend that has been going on for months....that's nearly 1/2 it's traffic lost since June-ish 2008....

            Am I the only one that sees this and is wondering why?
            Well there are a few reasons they are experiencing a "drop" in traffic...

            There are mainly 3 type of visitors who visit EZA.

            The Author - you and I
            The Publisher - Bloggers/ marketers who get content for their website, republish, etc'
            The visitor - Come From the search engines (Mainly)

            Any one of those can dramatically effect the traffic. Now the owners of EZA are not "winging it" so any changes their making is probably made after analyzing properly right? (Or they'll be shooting themselves in the foot)

            Maybe less authors are visiting? (Social media, facebook, bla bla bla is easier for others) Less "bloggers/publishers" also (scraping with the auto blogging platforms available these days) maybe even removing the links (Less traffic to the article Source and to the authors website)...there are many factors involved...

            But here's what I'm confident of - they would never remove articles that are constantly getting traffic from the Search engines and I don't care how crappy they are. It affects their link popularity and their revenue...EZA is a business and when they have an article pulling in 1000 REAL views a month or even 10% of that - it will still generate them some cash - right?

            Would you remove those? Probably not - but you would remove the crappy ones that don't bring in any traffic whatsoever.

            They are making things "harder" for authors - which is good in a way (Except for that limit on the length of the anchor text - that's just not fair)...

            Why is it good? Because authors who are dedicated will stay longer on the front page, in the most recent, etc'

            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about.

            Look at the expert authors page.

            EzineArticles Submission - Submit Your Best Quality Original Articles For Massive Exposure, Ezine Publishers Get 25 Free Article Reprints

            Look at Michael Russell. He has about 4,000 articles, right?

            Well, at one time, he had over 15,000 articles. Many were canned
            because of, well, for whatever the various reasons were (quality, crappy
            landing pages, etc.)

            Imagine that kind of house cleaning across the board.
            If those articles were generating constant traffic and revenue - they would never remove them, those articles were probably "dead end articles"...both for the author and EZA..

            If the article gets traffic then both sides can benefit from it EZA - adsense Author - traffic and HIGH link equity....

            Real publishers will not scrape content and would definitely not republish an article from 2005....

            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            If you don't mind me asking, where did you get the 8,000,000 Uniques figure from Yoel? Not questioning it....on the quantcast chart I had posted, it says it is a "rough estimate"....You'd think they'd have a more accurate estimate for a site as popular as EZA....
            I got it from compete.com balance that out with quantcast and round it down to the low figure and you've got 8 mil - I believe it is more..

            Anyway you look at it - EZA is the most trafficked article directory on our small planet.
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            • Profile picture of the author TimG
              Originally Posted by Yoel Cohen View Post

              If those articles were generating constant traffic and revenue - they would never remove them, those articles were probably "dead end articles"...both for the author and EZA..
              Good post Yoel,
              In my case the articles were linking to a dead site (site that was no longer online). When EZA finds these types of articles they leave them online for a set amount of time allowing you to fix the links.

              Ultimately, if you don't they can opt to take the articles down because you have EZA linking to nothing and they don't like doing that for SEO reasons. At least, that's the way it was explained to me.

              Respectfully,
              Tim
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              • Profile picture of the author Yoel Cohen
                Originally Posted by TimG View Post

                ...In my case the articles were linking to a dead site (site that was no longer online). When EZA finds these types of articles they leave them online for a set amount of time allowing you to fix the links.

                Ultimately, if you don't they can opt to take the articles down because you have EZA linking to nothing and they don't like doing that for SEO reasons. At least, that's the way it was explained to me...
                That makes a lot of sense...

                As it is stated on the Google webmaster guidelines:

                "Check for broken links and correct HTML."

                Under-> Design and content guidelines

                Ref:Webmaster guidelines - Webmaster Tools Help

                I have a few articles back from 2006 that are getting a steady, decent amount of traffic and the resource box has only one link to one of my blog's homepage - no good (2 other links for some reason are no longer active links)

                I really want to change only the resource box to make it more "clickable" - but I cant, the moment I change it I know I'll get an error message stating: "Your keyword density is above the 2% allowed"...If I change the body of the article it will probably lose its rankings....:confused:

                So If I want to be really nasty I can remove the article and they wont make a dime off of it LOL, but on the other hand even though it doesnt have a high CTR that article is still indexed and ranking high so the one good old link in it has some good SEO benefits for my blog...

                Cheers,
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              • Profile picture of the author contactscape
                Originally Posted by TimG View Post

                Good post Yoel,
                In my case the articles were linking to a dead site (site that was no longer online). When EZA finds these types of articles they leave them online for a set amount of time allowing you to fix the links.

                Ultimately, if you don't they can opt to take the articles down because you have EZA linking to nothing and they don't like doing that for SEO reasons. At least, that's the way it was explained to me.

                Respectfully,
                Tim
                That's very true. EzineArticles enjoys a PageRank of 6? or 7? and any articles linking to dead sites are most probably being removed or cloaked away at their end already from Google bot. It's never going to be in their best interests to allow article owners too much time to fix links picking dead pings.

                Personally, I feel that article marketing is gradually decreasing in effectiveness, purely do to the fact that a ezines are not "distributed" as well as PRWEB or PRNEWSWIRE distribute press releases.

                If EZA were to start distributing articles to news leads, then article marketing would see a surge in traffic and somehow the $97 a month price tag could be justified a bit more.

                My 2 cents
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I submitted 6 articles or so end of last week- and the group has over 600 views so far. Long articles, good topics and full of info. I'm happy with that considering I haven't done anything except submit them.

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      • Profile picture of the author thomarv29
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I submitted 6 articles or so end of last week- and the group has over 600 views so far. Long articles, good topics and full of info. I'm happy with that considering I haven't done anything except submit them.

        kay
        Did you manually submit them? I think that may be the key... anyone have definitive info on this?
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        • Profile picture of the author karenloye
          Originally Posted by thomarv29 View Post

          Did you manually submit them? I think that may be the key... anyone have definitive info on this?
          I've heard from good sources that EzineArticles.com does not like submissions via software. In fact, some of the better submission tools will tell you to submit to EZA manually. I do submit manually to EZA even if I use software to submit elsewhere. Seems to work well using this approach.
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  • Profile picture of the author yongjj
    Don't give up. You'll don't see results at this moment - or there are few reasons that your articles have few views and here's why:

    1. Your title - the article title must contain keyword phrases that people would actually search for it. Learn more about the basics of keyword research at this forum.

    2. Article body - Like the keyword research mentioned earlier - it must contain several important keywords (including high competitive and long-tail keywords). Certainly, your content need to be informative - like providing tips/guides/how-to style of writing. Make sure that you don't overuse the selected keywords as overusing it can affect the quality of your articles.

    3. Understand the main reason that you're submitting articles to EZA - You have to know why you submit articles to EZA - "I need to submit articles to EZA mainly because I want it to generate more traffic to my website" or merely "I just wanna show people that I can write". I presume that the former is your main reason that you're submitting articles to EZA. If you've received lower views - don't give up and try producing and submitting more articles to EZA. Hopefully you'll get more recognition and traffic to your websites.

    Hope that this helps. Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Shannon Spoon
      Originally Posted by yongjj View Post

      Don't give up. You'll don't see results at this moment - or there are few reasons that your articles have few views and here's why:

      1. Your title - the article title must contain keyword phrases that people would actually search for it. Learn more about the basics of keyword research at this forum.

      2. Article body - Like the keyword research mentioned earlier - it must contain several important keywords (including high competitive and long-tail keywords). Certainly, your content need to be informative - like providing tips/guides/how-to style of writing. Make sure that you don't overuse the selected keywords as overusing it can affect the quality of your articles.

      3. Understand the main reason that you're submitting articles to EZA - You have to know why you submit articles to EZA - "I need to submit articles to EZA mainly because I want it to generate more traffic to my website" or merely "I just wanna show people that I can write". I presume that the former is your main reason that you're submitting articles to EZA. If you've received lower views - don't give up and try producing and submitting more articles to EZA. Hopefully you'll get more recognition and traffic to your websites.

      Hope that this helps. Good luck!
      Thanks for the tips. I do know about keyword research and i did that when i wrote these articles. I understand about keywords in the body and LSI. The main reason i submitted these particular articles is to get sales from ClickBank products.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brandon Ellis
        Hey Shannon,

        Keep it up man, it definitely works. Just don't get caught up by all the shiny objects out their like fancy submission software and sorts. Just make article writing another part of your marketing arsenal.

        You can get traffic, but I mainly do it for backlinks and anchortext back to my sites. Integrate that with social media submissions and you can start ranking your site really well.
        If your at 200+ a month your doing great and ahead of 80% of the folks out their! You nearly right over the hump man. It's all about to click for you.

        The Best to you mate!
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        • Profile picture of the author Shannon Spoon
          Originally Posted by Brandon Ellis View Post

          Hey Shannon,

          Keep it up man, it definitely works. Just don't get caught up by all the shiny objects out their like fancy submission software and sorts. Just make article writing another part of your marketing arsenal.

          You can get traffic, but I mainly do it for backlinks and anchortext back to my sites. Integrate that with social media submissions and you can start ranking your site really well.
          If your at 200+ a month your doing great and ahead of 80% of the folks out their! You nearly right over the hump man. It's all about to click for you.

          The Best to you mate!
          Thanks for the words of encouragement. What exactly do you mean by social media submissions? Do you mean social bookmarking sites?
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          • Profile picture of the author Brandon Ellis
            Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon View Post

            Thanks for the words of encouragement. What exactly do you mean by social media submissions? Do you mean social bookmarking sites?
            Yeppers. Use something like Bookmarkingdemon.com I wish I could give you an interview that is on a site to hear but it is in another Marketing Forum (paid).

            It explains an awesome strategy with this stuff. You can get some awesome tips though if you go to How to Really Build Backlinks and Dominate Google

            It's a great article and an awesome site. He was the one that was interviewed.

            Hope to have helped out for ya
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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          I've never used submission software.....
          Highly agree here about making article writing another part of your marketing arsenal.

          Originally Posted by Brandon Ellis View Post

          Hey Shannon,

          Keep it up man, it definitely works. Just don't get caught up by all the shiny objects out their like fancy submission software and sorts. Just make article writing another part of your marketing arsenal.

          You can get traffic, but I mainly do it for backlinks and anchortext back to my sites. Integrate that with social media submissions and you can start ranking your site really well.
          If your at 200+ a month your doing great and ahead of 80% of the folks out their! You nearly right over the hump man. It's all about to click for you.

          The Best to you mate!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    I love Ezine Articles it represents about 20-25% of my traffic and the leads are very targeted.

    I can't comment on the performance from now till a few years back since I never did Article marketing but it does work now, you just need to keep submitting fresh articles because your old ones will burn out.

    Doesn't matter...beats waking up early to go see your boss
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    • Profile picture of the author Shannon Spoon
      Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

      I love Ezine Articles it represents about 15-20% of my traffic and the leads are very targeted.

      I can't comment on the performance from now till a few years back since I never did Article marketing but it does work now, you just need to keep submitting fresh articles because your old ones will burn out.

      Doesn't matter...beats waking up early to go see your boss
      You are 100% right it does beat waking up early and fighting traffic to trade time for dollars. I would love to get to a point where i don't have to worry about that. I have been at IM for a little over a year and i still haven't been able to crack over $200 a month. I suppose it takes more time for some than others, but i keep trying.:rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
        Hey Shannon,

        I've been at this for 5 years atleast was lost as new born puppy. I've recently managed to find my way yet you're doing better than I am!

        People like us who never give up will eventually reach our goals and it will taste that much sweeter



        Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon View Post

        You are 100% right it does beat waking up early and fighting traffic to trade time for dollars. I would love to get to a point where i don't have to worry about that. I have been at IM for a little over a year and i still haven't been able to crack over $200 a month. I suppose it takes more time for some than others, but i keep trying.:rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
          Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

          Hey Shannon,

          I've been at this for 5 years atleast was lost as new born puppy. I've recently managed to find my way yet you're doing better than I am!

          People like us who never give up will eventually reach our goals and it will taste that much sweeter
          Same here - but at least I've managed to find a good plan now, based on ... you guessed it - article marketing
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      • Profile picture of the author yongjj
        Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon View Post

        You are 100% right it does beat waking up early and fighting traffic to trade time for dollars. I would love to get to a point where i don't have to worry about that. I have been at IM for a little over a year and i still haven't been able to crack over $200 a month. I suppose it takes more time for some than others, but i keep trying.:rolleyes:
        Clickbank sites require more article submissions than you've expected (some people would submit more than 10 per day). You can use the similar approach to increase your revenue in several ways like - adsense-monetized sites, amazon and CPA networks.
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  • Profile picture of the author maverick8
    What amounts of traffic are people getting per day from EZA?

    I am getting around 200-300 uniques a day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charleskidd
    I gotten many views with articles but not traffic. I don't think it is worth submitting lots of articles. Instead write one or two and optimize them for the keyword and get backlinks. I see people posting info that all you have to do is post articles on ezine and have money rollin in. Anyone who has personally done this knows it doesn't work like that. Everyone will have different results but if it works for you the results will be little to nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author tompatrick
    It could be the case that you are not submitting the articles on ti the current hot topic means for example these days FIFA has taken over every ones mind and if you submit articles related to cricket world cup no one would be interested in it.
    My suggestion would be to some how relate FIFA to your own article niche and submit and most importantly promote the e zine article, then just wait and watch the magic will happen. I am not saying this without any experience i am a platinum member of e zine and I know how to work on it

    Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon View Post

    It seems like no matter what i submit to them these days i only get few views here and there.

    Has anyone else experienced the same thing?

    Or is it just me?
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  • Profile picture of the author JayPeete
    As more authors enter the game it is going to get even more difficult as time goes on.
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  • Profile picture of the author JonAlfredsson
    Hi.. it's not yet dead because it still runs.. however, its taking so much time. SO Slow!.. Unlike before, it was dazzling fast..
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  • Profile picture of the author jverley
    Ezine is still alive and kicking, but it's not all it's cracked up to be.

    If you want real traffic from your ezine article, you need to take the time to rank it(the article) on the first page of google. Ezine's not a get rich quick scheme thats for sure.

    Plus you get the do follow link out of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    I used to run one of those little two-bit article directories. I shut it down, but I learned a few things in the process. It got great traffic...from bloggers submitting their articles, but little else.

    Google actually hung out there all of the time and indexed constantly. It was actually a great way to generate a 'list' of article marketers, a group that doesn't convert.

    I was getting about 100 applicants per month and that number was growing. But one thing I noticed is that it was literally over-run with spam articles. I would say that probably 95+% of them were junk. The few good articles that were submitted were literally buried by thousands of crap articles that moved like a swarm of locusts. Seeing it from that perspective made me realize how tough it is going to get.

    Additionally, one of the toughest things I had to do was verify that the submitter was the originating author. In the end, the money it produced wasn't worth the effort and aggravation, so I had to pull the plug. Going forward, I will be concentrating on my blog. I really enjoy writing on it.

    I have been observing and learning from some really talented bloggers who have built a powerful following and to be quite honest, their tactics are quite learnable and easy to implement. I have never seen these tactics or anything even remotely close to them even mentioned in this forum. Their world is quite different from this one.

    I am not saying that article marketing doesn't work, because it does for some people (to a degree) I am just saying that I think that there is a smarter way, that's all.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonbeebe
    I pretty much agree with what everyone else has said, but if I may add one simple thing...

    If you're trying to drive traffic to blogs specifically, guest posting works way better than article marketing hands down. Just as with article marketing, you have to be consistent and keep at it, but you get more "bang for your buck" if you ask me.

    Good luck!

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    • Profile picture of the author ajbarnes777
      IMO, EZA is not dying... just A LOT more competitive than the old days. One way you can get around this is just like Jeremy said, EZA + Premium account + awesome articles = $$$

      The trick is to learn how to use a premium account effectively (such as scheduling articles to go live at strategic times of the day such as during the evening hours or the weekend). If you do it right, you will make that $97 a month right back fairly quickly.

      On the other hand, if you don't go premium, you still can do pretty good just as long as you build backlinks and rank high in the SERPS since EZA articles rank very well in the search engines.
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      • Profile picture of the author ShaunAllen
        Once they started letting you schedule your articles for release I noticed about a 75% drop in traffic a few months later. (Which is fine because it then made me focus on seo efforts.)

        I used to get all of my articles submitted right before they were done for the night. That way I would have the top spots for the night and the weekends. I remember getting 500 clicks overnight and 1000s over the weekend depending on my articles. Those were definitely the good ole' days.

        Now anyone with a premium account can release their articles at their specified time frame. While I believe it's still worth it to have a premium account, those awesome days are now over. But like I said above, it's made me focus more on the gift that keeps on giving which is seo traffic.



        Originally Posted by ajbarnes777 View Post

        IMO, EZA is not dying... just A LOT more competitive than the old days. One way you can get around this is just like Jeremy said, EZA + Premium account + awesome articles = $$$

        The trick is to learn how to use a premium account effectively (such as scheduling articles to go live at strategic times of the day such as during the evening hours or the weekend). If you do it right, you will make that $97 a month right back fairly quickly.

        On the other hand, if you don't go premium, you still can do pretty good just as long as you build backlinks and rank high in the SERPS since EZA articles rank very well in the search engines.
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  • Profile picture of the author frankstar
    Its not just about article marketing any more, you've got to market your articles effectively.

    When people submit to EZA, they often don't take into account that there may be many other articles on EZA written around that same keyword phrase. Google won't show all these articles in a search.

    So your article has to be more attractive to Google then all the other articles (on the keyword phrase) on EZA. Better optimization, better backlinks and quality of backlinks, better and more content (possibly). Ask yourself, why would Google rank my article over others on the same keyword?


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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      My views have decreased about 25% on a given day over the few years
      I've been writing articles. I think a lot has to do with the niches I am in, so
      I'm going to be doing some experimenting to see if other niches do better.
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      • Profile picture of the author ahefner33
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        My views have decreased about 25% on a given day over the few years
        I've been writing articles. I think a lot has to do with the niches I am in, so
        I'm going to be doing some experimenting to see if other niches do better.
        True in my experience too. I have watched once 'popular' niches on Ezine drop to almost nothing in views after sometime. People have so many ways of researching Ezine and finding the niches that drive alot of views. Then they do there job of putting out there articles. When I say this too I mean on site traffic/views. Articlesbase has always, for me anyways, stood the test of time as consistent no matter what the niche I've tried. Same with Buzzle. But not nearly the surge of traffic you could get from Ezine.

        Man, I remember the days you could build a whole business model around Ezine. TimG proved that.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    Some would argue the monetary value of those 300 word articles. I do know that, for myself and for a few others here, we have actually found that longer articles perform better (800-1,000 words....many of my articles actually push 1,250-1,500 words)

    There are different rationales and reasons behind both. I do find that very high quality, long, articles, that keep readers interested and engaged, do a much better job at establishing myself as a bit of a recognizable 'authority' on the platform I choose to publish to. Even if they don't have direct monetary benefit, there can be great value in having people see you as an authority and as someone they can continually go back to for quality/reliable information.

    A delicate balance of both long and short articles, you may find, will fulfill alot of goals and outcomes.

    "Not many people want to read a 300-word article that doesn't help them at all."

    For this statement, you CAN write a 300-word article that IS helpful, though, if done in the right way. People can find your article, and feel fulfilled like they have received all the necessary information that they need to perform a task or activity better. Articles like these are intentionally structured to leave people hanging a bit, so as to have a monetary benefit from people NEEDING to receive more, and thus, clicking on an affiliate link and converting a sale. So, there is a strategic reason for these types of articles as well.

    Based on my experience, I do find that Google tends to favor longer articles for a variety of reasons. There is an element of 'time on site' that should be considered here, as well....Google will see that people spend alot of time reading your article, and 'may', in some cases, attribute that to quality of content and rank it higher. Of course, you could write a 300 word article that is crap, but you could also write a 1,000 word article that is crap and fluff as well.

    Personally, even though I sprinkle in some shorter articles, I generally do a combination of both, but err more towards more lengthier articles.


    Originally Posted by londonwarrior View Post

    I've no idea what your articles are like, but most articles I've seen on places like ezinearticles are just a load of trash. They don't say anything useful and are usually just there to get a few links. Not many people want to read a 300-word article that doesn't help them at all.

    If you want traffic from the articles you need to be prepared to write top-notch articles that are long and very informative. They will then have more chance of ranking and being read. There is an article that one author has that is in my nice, which is how I spotted it. For quite a good keyword his ezine article is No. 1 in Google and the ariticle has had about 200,000 views in the last 2-3 years. It's very well written, about 800 words long, and is just what you would probably want to read if you searched for that particular keyword.

    So yes, you can rank well, but you need quality articles that people are searching for.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      Based on my experience, I do find that Google tends to favor longer articles for a variety of reasons. There is an element of 'time on site' that should be considered here, as well....Google will see that people spend alot of time reading your article, and 'may', in some cases, attribute that to quality of content and rank it higher. Of course, you could write a 300 word article that is crap, but you could also write a 1,000 word article that is crap and fluff as well.
      Time on site is going to be determined by the quality and relevance of the article too.

      It takes longer to read a quality 1000 word article than a quality 300 word article.

      However, it doesn't take any longer to identify a 1000 article as garbage than it does a 300 word article. You can pretty much recognize poor quality in 300 words or less, so you don't need to read the whole article.

      As such, people will spend about as much time on a site reading a poor quality 1000 word article as a poor quality 300 word article because they won't read until the end.

      Unless, of course, the article is such a train-wreck of writing that they can't help but read to the end to see if it could possibly get any worse.
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  • Profile picture of the author niffybranco
    If you do not bother building backlinks to your articles, your competitor that builds backlinks to his will trump you and get better views than you just writing an article and hoping people will flock to it just does not cut it any more ezine articles already has a high page rank and with just a few backlinks (depending on the niche) will boost your your search engine rankings. There are more marketers nowadays, the competition is getting stiff so buckle up or get left behind .
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    YES! Please leave all the available niches and keywords for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author AliceInk
    I don't think it is dead. There is just a lot more competition and tons of junk to wade through. I think the main problem is the quality of the articles and the same topics being written about for the 1,000th time. Having a premium account and writing quality and compelling articles can make a big difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author sydneypm
    I like ezine for longterm results. For example, articles that I wrote in 2007 still bring thousands of views (and clicks) per month. I really like the Ezine report so I know what keywords people are finding my articles with. I use that info to write more articles and posts and I build on that. Of course it is just a small piece of the puzzle.

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    • Profile picture of the author backendbuddy
      Originally Posted by sydneypm View Post

      I like ezine for longterm results. For example, articles that I wrote in 2007 still bring thousands of views (and clicks) per month. I really like the Ezine report so I know what keywords people are finding my articles with. I use that info to write more articles and posts and I build on that. Of course it is just a small piece of the puzzle.

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      Yes, it keeps giving you traffic for old works. I agree with you.

      But i do think the same, even though they are no dead, they are reorganizing everything to comeback like massive. Very hard for them. They are the first guys who marketed some 'prescription pills' for newbie writers. Thats the crime they committed. Now they are to bite, chew and digest; the ghost they created.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eleanor
    I've used EZA for a while (4+ years) and I have to say I think it's dying... They need to do something like add new services that are actually worthwhile - there are so many people submitting crap there these days that it's just a sea of words and you've got to work very hard to get your article to rank.

    I don't use EZA in order to get traffic direct anymore, I use it to build backlinks. I have tried both the paid and unpaid versions of EZA and I don't think that the premium membership is worth what it costs.... there are other ways to get backlinks and articles out there without having to pay $97 per month or whatever it is.

    I've found that other directories actually rank faster as well... EZA is a little bit saturated for my liking and sometimes the quality of articles they accept is lower... I think over time they've started to allow poorer quality articles slip through and this makes it harder for people who write regularly because they've got to contend with a lot more articles as competition.

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  • Profile picture of the author Icanwrite
    The competition has gone up - YES
    Everyone has realized the potential of this cash cow and are jumping in to get a piece of the cake !
    So YES, it is getting harder by the day BUT if you use long tail keywords and optimize your content, you have nothing to worry !
    A few backlinks wont hurt either
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    Originally Posted by StedeTroisi View Post

    Why are there always two view to every question about marketing? Why do we make this so difficult for everyone? There must be a better answer than yes and no.
    There is a better answer. It's called "test things for yourself."

    There is no one-size-fits-all approach. Different strategies may require different approaches. Additionally, different markets and different audiences have different expectations and require different approaches to reaching them.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    Originally Posted by StedeTroisi View Post

    Why are there always two view to every question about marketing? Why do we make this so difficult for everyone? There must be a better answer than yes and no.

    - Stede
    Because people want to maximize their profits, and reduce the time and effort they allocate in order to maximize those profits. Depending on one's perspective, and experience, it's not such a bad idea to let threads like this roll....it helps others consider all sides of the equation, and, for that reason, threads like this can be extremely valuable.

    If you don't make a ton of money EZA, that doesn't mean it is dying....but, the inverse is also true....you could be making alot of money, but the site could be breathing its last breathe. It all depends on one's experience and perspective.
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  • Profile picture of the author nuMantis
    Is Ezine dead? You are going to have opinions on both sides of the fence. Some will say yes and others will say no. Fact of the matter is that for some it works because their content is good or there is some sort of hook for people to stay interested. The other half the content is probably crap and boring.

    Just my 0.02.

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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      You'll find that the BEST sites 'out there' are the one's that have the forsight to effectively control for quality, and, can live with subtle growth as they enforce those quality standards.

      There is a bit of a trade-off here.

      If you are very stringent about quality, you'll have a high quality site, however, fewer 'may' choose to interact with it, contribute content, and help it develop a database that attracts the search engine authority necessary to help individual writers gain the traffic and money that they are hoping for by using the website in the first place.

      Some of the bigger sites were really lax when it came to quality, in the early days, however, for one reason or another, they tightened up on their standards and controls. Squidoo, for instance, was 'slapped' by Google back in the day....
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  • Profile picture of the author Juniord
    You are not alone buddy. I am experiencing the same thing and i am now wondering if it worth submitting to them.
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  • I think that because a lot of people have misused these sites they have lost relevancy and importance. YET eza does continue to dominate the market. It seems weird to me that you are not getting as many views. Especially considering that they are probably one of the strictest directories with regards to content quality.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by ContentArticleWriter View Post

      I think that because a lot of people have misused these sites they have lost relevancy and importance. YET eza does continue to dominate the market. It seems weird to me that you are not getting as many views. Especially considering that they are probably one of the strictest directories with regards to content quality.
      Very true.

      Is everyone seeing what I see with regards to Ezine Articles?

      ezinearticles.com - Quantcast Audience Profile

      Not bashing them....but, data is data....

      And, it's clear that revenue sharing websites, if plugged in there in comparison, are beginning to slowly creep up to them even though, I admit and I agree, that they are very dominant right now.

      I honestly believe that they will have to one day resort to more of a revenue share arrangement. Who wants to pay $97/month for a premium account, when they can gain that search engine authority AND earn a significant revenue share elsewhere?...

      Just saying....

      The trends are very revealing, especially when you begin using sites like alexa.com, quantcast.com, and compete.com to begin comparing sites....
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      • Profile picture of the author TimG
        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

        Very true.

        Is everyone seeing what I see with regards to Ezine Articles?

        ezinearticles.com - Quantcast Audience Profile

        Not bashing them....but, data is data....

        And, it's clear that revenue sharing websites, if plugged in there in comparison, are beginning to slowly creep up to them even though, I admit and I agree, that they are very dominant right now.

        I honestly believe that they will have to one day resort to more of a revenue share arrangement. Who wants to pay $97/month for a premium account, when they can gain that search engine authority AND earn a significant revenue share elsewhere?...

        Just saying....

        The trends are very revealing, especially when you begin using sites like alexa.com, quantcast.com, and compete.com to begin comparing sites....
        That's the other tip to the spear....as more revenue sharing sites appear that offer attractive payouts much like Info Barrel a paradigm shift could take place where authors reserve their best content for their own websites and revenue generating websites leaving their less desirable content for the other article directories to include EZA.

        In my opinion that is what is killing EZA...the viewpoint by many that it is nothing more then a useful directory to obtain backlinks from which is not the cae nor how it got so popular in the eyes of Google.

        Sadly EZA's demise (should it ever take place) will be based on the fact that it got so popular that anyone who could type a few paragraphs of gibbersh/nonsense opted to submit articles to it in order to obtain a quality backlink.

        Respectfully,
        Tim
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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          Hey Tim,

          I wonder how many people actually reference completely FREE online tools like quantcast, alexa, or compete before they actually begin throwing up content just anywhere in mass?.....I don't mean to discourage people from writing there, but the trends are clearly evident to me....

          ....the truth is....Ezine Articles could do a real about face, but, with greater competition out there, and that 'paradigm shift'....I really think they'll (eventually) have no other choice but to begin sharing revenue with users.

          What worked in the past, I really don't believe will work in the future....and, the site(s) that are the most transparent, offer the most, control quality, and develop a culture and community around themselves will emerge as leaders online.

          Look at what is happening with eHow.com right now, ever since they shut down their WCP a few weeks ago. When sites are ranked THAT high, it is fairly significant when sites begin to loose even one or two or ten places in ranking.

          Originally Posted by TimG View Post

          That's the other tip to the spear....as more revenue sharing sites appear that offer attractive payouts much like Info Barrel a paradigm shift could take place where authors reserve their best content for their own websites and revenue generating websites leaving their less desirable content for the other article directories to include EZA.

          In my opinion that is what is killing EZA...the viewpoint by many that it is nothing more then a useful directory to obtain backlinks from which is not the cae nor how it got so popular in the eyes of Google.

          Sadly EZA's demise (should it ever take place) will be based on the fact that it got so popular that anyone who could type a few paragraphs of gibbersh/nonsense opted to submit articles to it in order to obtain a quality backlink.

          Respectfully,
          Tim
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          • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
            At one time, one of my friends had questioned Ezine Articles about how much revenue they share from the Google Adsense advertisements hosted on all the writers submitted content. He received a response on the lines of "We already give writers enough....why should we share revenue too?".....

            I'm not saying they should or shouldn't share revenue, but, I AM saying that if they want to continue to remain a leader, they will have to seriously innovate and offer writers more than their emerging competition. To expect writers to pay a $97 premium fee/month (or the other payment options) just isn't going to cut it nowadays. Why should they pay that when they can get far more, on other sites, for free?
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          • Profile picture of the author TimG
            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            Hey Tim,

            I wonder how many people actually reference completely FREE online tools like quantcast, alexa, or compete before they actually begin throwing up content just anywhere in mass?.....I don't mean to discourage people from writing there, but the trends are clearly evident to me....

            ....the truth is....Ezine Articles could do a real about face, but, with greater competition out there, and that 'paradigm shift'....I really think they'll (eventually) have no other choice but to begin sharing revenue with users.

            What worked in the past, I really don't believe will work in the future....and, the site(s) that are the most transparent, offer the most, control quality, and develop a culture and community around themselves will emerge as leaders online.

            Look at what is happening with eHow.com right now, ever since they shut down their WCP a few weeks ago. When sites are ranked THAT high, it is fairly significant when sites begin to loose even one or two or ten places in ranking.
            Good point. There is no question or doubt that EZA can stem the bleeding (Christopher Knight is a very sharp online businessman). The real question is will they and if so, how will they do it?

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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          Tim (or anyone),

          I don't use Ezine Articles. With that said, I was wondering....do they have any kind of forum or way to foster a community there? This is VERY important, IMHO....especially when it comes to providing an outlet for writers to help one another....it also helps facilitate a degree of cameraderie, motivating each other in the direction of a common goal.

          If EZA doesn't have a forum (or any site for that matter), they should REALLY consider getting one.


          Originally Posted by TimG View Post

          That's the other tip to the spear....as more revenue sharing sites appear that offer attractive payouts much like Info Barrel a paradigm shift could take place where authors reserve their best content for their own websites and revenue generating websites leaving their less desirable content for the other article directories to include EZA.

          In my opinion that is what is killing EZA...the viewpoint by many that it is nothing more then a useful directory to obtain backlinks from which is not the cae nor how it got so popular in the eyes of Google.

          Sadly EZA's demise (should it ever take place) will be based on the fact that it got so popular that anyone who could type a few paragraphs of gibbersh/nonsense opted to submit articles to it in order to obtain a quality backlink.

          Respectfully,
          Tim
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

        Very true.

        Is everyone seeing what I see with regards to Ezine Articles?

        ezinearticles.com - Quantcast Audience Profile

        Not bashing them....but, data is data....

        And, it's clear that revenue sharing websites, if plugged in there in comparison, are beginning to slowly creep up to them even though, I admit and I agree, that they are very dominant right now.

        I honestly believe that they will have to one day resort to more of a revenue share arrangement. Who wants to pay $97/month for a premium account, when they can gain that search engine authority AND earn a significant revenue share elsewhere?...

        Just saying....

        The trends are very revealing, especially when you begin using sites like alexa.com, quantcast.com, and compete.com to begin comparing sites....
        I don't want to seem all doom and gloom, but, just thought I'd quote myself/this link, from earlier in this thread....

        EZA isn't DEAD by any means, however, based on current trends, I do think that they have some issues that they NEED to address ASAP.
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        • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
          Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

          I don't want to seem all doom and gloom, but, just thought I'd quote myself/this link, from earlier in this thread....

          EZA isn't DEAD by any means, however, based on current trends, I do think that they have some issues that they NEED to address ASAP.

          I concur with your assessment.

          I have niches in which the keyword density of my competition on the first page of the SERPs ranges from 4% to 7%. If they are on the first page with those types of SEO stats EZA can in no way compete by limiting authors with that 2% anvil. That 2% guide line also heavily limits a marketer's ability to implement LSI.

          Another major issue they have is disallowing anchored text in the resource box in which the keyword phrase is over 4 keywords, (e.g., vector high speed vacuum).

          Those issues need to be addressed A>S>A>P>!

          On a side note, Christopher Knight is making so much money that he is apparently allowed to violate the Adsense TOS. Notice that EZA has "7" blocks of Ads on each page.:confused:

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          • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
            Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

            I concur with your assessment.

            I have niches in which the keyword density of my competition on the first page of the SERPs ranges from 4% to 7%. If they are on the first page with those types of SEO stats EZA can in no way compete by limiting authors with that 2% anvil. That 2% guide line also heavily limits a marketer's ability to implement LSI.

            Another major issue they have is disallowing anchored text in the resource box in which the keyword phrase is over 4 keywords, (e.g., vector high speed vacuum).

            Those issues need to be addressed A>S>A>P>!

            On a side note, Christopher Knight is making so much money that he is apparently allowed to violate the Adsense TOS. Notice that EZA has "7" blocks of Ads on each page.:confused:

            Giles, the Crew Chief
            Oh boy, I don't even run a monstrosity of a website like EZA, but, based on my experiences, I'd do a few things REALLY differently....in fact, I'd implement those changes ASAP....

            The FIRST thing I would do (well, one of the first), is begin sharing that Adsense revenue with writers (well, make that the second thing, after, of course, actually abiding by Adsense's TOS)

            God forbid 1,000 people reported him....

            (Perhaps I/We are missing something here? Maybe really big sites are 'special' and afforded the ability to host that many blocks of Ads?)
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          • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
            ah...did a little searching, and it looks like those are Chitika ads along with the Google ads....

            Chitika are allowed to be displayed with Adsense.....so, looks like no foul there....

            Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

            I concur with your assessment.

            I have niches in which the keyword density of my competition on the first page of the SERPs ranges from 4% to 7%. If they are on the first page with those types of SEO stats EZA can in no way compete by limiting authors with that 2% anvil. That 2% guide line also heavily limits a marketer's ability to implement LSI.

            Another major issue they have is disallowing anchored text in the resource box in which the keyword phrase is over 4 keywords, (e.g., vector high speed vacuum).

            Those issues need to be addressed A>S>A>P>!

            On a side note, Christopher Knight is making so much money that he is apparently allowed to violate the Adsense TOS. Notice that EZA has "7" blocks of Ads on each page.:confused:

            Giles, the Crew Chief
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            • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
              Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

              ah...did a little searching, and it looks like those are Chitika ads along with the Google ads....

              Chitika are allowed to be displayed with Adsense.....so, looks like no foul there....
              x3xsolxdierx3x, we petition a recount... check again!

              1. At the top (Link Unit 4 Ads 728)
              2. Under Article Title (Large Rectangle 336 x 280)
              3. Right Side of Article Body (Special Block of Ads)
              4. Left Side Navigation (Link Unit 5 Ads 200 x 90)
              5. Under Article Resource Box Next to Chitka Ads (Skyscraper 120 x 300 Special Block)
              6. Right under heading, "This article has been viewed xx times" (Link Unit 4 Ads 728)
              7. Right under article citations (Large Rectangle 336 x 280 Image Ad)

              The only reason I pointed this out was to say this; when you are bringing in the mucho denaros, virtually everyone in IM will make deals behind closed doors even if it means going against or changing their rules and TOS for you.

              P.S. EzineArticles is not dead and it is not dying. Increase your EZA traffic and all traffic sources by being aggressive! Learn how to brainstorm tactics and strategies with other aggressive IMers and don't share your Golden Nuggets with the world unless you are prepared to compete with the world.

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              • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
                Even though they've taken a hit from Facebook lately, look how big MySpace stills is....and, they run Adsense ads....and they, as far as I can see, only have what their TOS dictates....

                Do any other sites do this? or just EZA?

                Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

                x3xsolxdierx3x, we petition a recount... check again!

                1. At the top (Link Unit 4 Ads 728)
                2. Under Article Title (Large Rectangle 336 x 280)
                3. Right Side of Article Body (Special Block of Ads)
                4. Left Side Navigation (Link Unit 5 Ads 200 x 90)
                5. Under Article Resource Box Next to Chitka Ads (Skyscraper 120 x 300 Special Block)
                6. Right under heading, "This article has been viewed xx times" (Link Unit 4 Ads 728)
                7. Right under article citations (Large Rectangle 336 x 280 Image Ad)
                The only reason I pointed this out was to say this; when you are bringing in the mucho denaros, virtually everyone in IM will make deals behind closed doors even if it means going against or changing their rules and TOS for you.

                P.S. EzineArticles is not dead and it is not dying. Increase your EZA traffic and all traffic sources by being aggressive! Learn how to brainstorm tactics and strategies with other aggressive IMers and don't share your Golden Nuggets with the world unless you are prepared to compete with the world.

                The best thing any serious IM can do is either create or become part of a amped up and aggressive IM Brainstorm Team.

                Our Team motto is: We amp things up so we can ramp things up!

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                • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
                  Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

                  Even though they've taken a hit from Facebook lately, look how big MySpace stills is....and, they run Adsense ads....and they, as far as I can see, only have what their TOS dictates....

                  Do any other sites do this? or just EZA?
                  Plenty of them! It's bigger than most IMers realize but as I've stated previosly, when a IMer/company is bringing in the Benjamins, Google has proven they will change the rules and guess what? So will EZA.

                  Yep, even EZA changes the rules for its major players. Early, I mentioned that they don't allow keyword phrases over "3" words. I could show a ton of articles with "4" words as anchored text and also articles that go over the 2% rule. Ha! But I won't be posting those examples or PMing them.

                  Because the next thing I'll hear is how Giles outed me/us in the GD WF. And that's not going to happen!

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                  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
                    Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

                    Plenty of them! It's bigger than most IMers realize but as I've stated previosly, when a IMer/company is bringing in the Benjamins, Google has proven they will change the rules and guess what? So will EZA.

                    Yep, even EZA changes the rules for its major players. Early, I mentioned that they don't allow keyword phrases over "3" words. I could show a ton of articles with "4" words as anchored text and also articles that go over the 2% rule. Ha! But I won't be posting those examples or PMing them.

                    Because the next thing I'll hear is how Giles outed me/us in the GD WF. And that's not going to happen!

                    Giles, the Crew Chief
                    Giles (or anyone),

                    Do you think EZA should share revenue, with writers/content providers, from all those Adverts they display?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Spoon
                    Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

                    Plenty of them! It's bigger than most IMers realize but as I've stated previosly, when a IMer/company is bringing in the Benjamins, Google has proven they will change the rules and guess what? So will EZA.

                    Yep, even EZA changes the rules for its major players. Early, I mentioned that they don't allow keyword phrases over "3" words. I could show a ton of articles with "4" words as anchored text and also articles that go over the 2% rule. Ha! But I won't be posting those examples or PMing them.

                    Because the next thing I'll hear is how Giles outed me/us in the GD WF. And that's not going to happen!

                    Giles, the Crew Chief
                    Ezine does allow more than 4 words of anchor text. Your article has to be at least 400 words long.

                    "We do not allow articles which have strategic keyword anchor text links in the body to your domain that do not add informational value to the article. Any use of anchored text links to websites that you own should add value to the article topic rather than stand out as an obvious abuse of anchored text link.

                    The goal with this policy is to be a good net citizen by only allowing articles that add value with the anchored text links rather than for pure SEO reasons. Please limit your anchor text link length to 3 words in an article that is less than 400 words and 5 words in anchor text if your article is more than 400 words."
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                    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
                      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

                      Giles (or anyone),

                      Do you think EZA should share revenue, with writers/content providers, from all those Adverts they display?
                      Do I think they should? Yes! Are they going to? Hell no!

                      Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon View Post

                      Ezine does allow more than 4 words of anchor text. Your article has to be at least 400 words long.

                      "We do not allow articles which have strategic keyword anchor text links in the body to your domain that do not add informational value to the article. Any use of anchored text links to websites that you own should add value to the article topic rather than stand out as an obvious abuse of anchored text link.

                      The goal with this policy is to be a good net citizen by only allowing articles that add value with the anchored text links rather than for pure SEO reasons. Please limit your anchor text link length to 3 words in an article that is less than 400 words and 5 words in anchor text if your article is more than 400 words."
                      I'm well aware of those rules, that was my point of bringing the issue up. Actually, I should have went into detail. But since you did, one strategy smart article marketers employ in EZA is using short articles that hover right at the minimum number of words allowed by EZA.

                      The purpose of this is strategical; not laziness. The objective is for the reader to be able to see the resource box without having to scroll down the article. Typically, these articles have a higher CTR, provided that all things are equal. Now, according to the EZA TOS, none of those articles should have more than 3 words as their anchored text.. but they do!

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                      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
                        Maybe it's just me, but, I'm not sure that refusing to share any revenue, at all, with their writers, is the best way to go for a variety of reasons...

                        In fact, I think it would actually make sound business sense to do so.

                        One thing I don't like is how adamantly opposed they 'seem' to be with regards to even the slightest notion of sharing revenue from their many blocks of Adsense revenue. EZA is a leader now, but, there will come a day, IMHO, when people will be able to gain that search engine authority AND earn a ton of the revenue. There's no doubt in my mind that their management and handling of their site leaves ALOT of room for the emergence of new competition.


                        Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

                        Do I think they should? Yes! Are they going to? Hell no!



                        I'm well aware of those rules, that was my point of bringing the issue up. Actually, I should have went into detail. But since you did, one strategy smart article marketers employ in EZA is using short articles that hover right at the minimum number of words allowed by EZA.

                        The purpose of this is strategical; not laziness. The objective is for the reader to be able to see the resource box without having to scroll down the article. Typically, these articles have a higher CTR, provided that all things are equal. Now, according to the EZA TOS, none of those articles should have more than 3 words as their anchored text.. but they do!

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                      • Profile picture of the author Shannon Spoon
                        Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

                        Do I think they should? Yes! Are they going to? Hell no!



                        I'm well aware of those rules, that was my point of bringing the issue up. Actually, I should have went into detail. But since you did, one strategy smart article marketers employ in EZA is using short articles that hover right at the minimum number of words allowed by EZA.

                        The purpose of this is strategical; not laziness. The objective is for the reader to be able to see the resource box without having to scroll down the article. Typically, these articles have a higher CTR, provided that all things are equal. Now, according to the EZA TOS, none of those articles should have more than 3 words as their anchored text.. but they do!

                        Giles, the Crew Chief
                        That is right. This is before the rules changed. The articles that already had more than 3 words of anchor text that were below 400 words were already published before the rules changed.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
                          Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon View Post

                          That is right. This is before the rules changed. The articles that already had more than 3 words of anchor text that were below 400 words were already published before the rules changed.
                          No, this is not before the rule change... this is happening NOW! TODAY! IN real time.

                          Just like the 7 blocks of ADs on the page that are not supposed to be there.

                          I keep telling you, when you bring in the mucho denaros, the rules and the TOS change. Anyone with high performing accts will confirm the veracity of that statement. Is it fair? Uh, uhm, remember the Golden rule; he who owns the Gold makes the rules.

                          Addendum; he who owns the Gold makes the rules and changes said rules when he feels the changes will benefit his bottom line.

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                          • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
                            Crew Chief,

                            I have been looking for other sites that have clearly been afforded this 'liberty' from Google....

                            I do see some Top 500 web properties that host Adsense, yet, they don't appear to be doing what EZA is doing....

                            Could you help point me in the right direction towards other sites that do this? Do you know of any others?

                            Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

                            No, this is not before the rule change... this is happening NOW! TODAY! IN real time.

                            Just like the 7 blocks of ADs on the page that are not supposed to be there.

                            I keep telling you, when you bring in the mucho denaros, the rules and the TOS change. Anyone with high performing accts will confirm the veracity of that statement. Is it fair? Uh, uhm, remember the Golden rule; he who owns the Gold makes the rules.

                            Addendum; he who owns the Gold makes the rules and changes said rules when he feels the changes will benefit his bottom line.

                            Giles, the Crew Chief
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                            • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
                              Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

                              Crew Chief,

                              I have been looking for other sites that have clearly been afforded this 'liberty' from Google....

                              I do see some Top 500 web properties that host Adsense, yet, they don't appear to be doing what EZA is doing....

                              Could you help point me in the right direction towards other sites that do this? Do you know of any others?
                              I don't keep a database if that's what you're asking.

                              Will I post or PM other examples? Ha, not on your life!


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    Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon View Post

    It seems like no matter what i submit to them these days i only get few views here and there.

    Has anyone else experienced the same thing?

    Or is it just me?

    Yeah, pretty much...
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  • Profile picture of the author TimG
    Jeremy has pretty much told it like it is for EZA and what he mentioned applies for just about every article directory - If your article is on the first page of Google (the higher the ranking the better) the more traffic it generates.

    However, the best producing articles will rank on the first page of Google for more then 1 related search.

    For example, I have an article on EZA that I wrote titled "10 Home Remedies For Gout Pain". Now, it ranks as the number 1 site for Gooogle if you were to conduct a search for 10 home remedies for gout pain. That is to be expected as that is a highly targeted phrase.

    However, the reason this particular article does so well (over 69,000 page views and counting) is because it is also on the front page of Google's organic search engine results for other phrases such as:

    Home remedies for gout
    Home remedy for gout
    Gout home remedies
    Home remedies gout
    Home remedy gout

    So, what's the secret? These are not highly competitive terms and individualy don't generate a lot of traffic but when combined as a group the synergy they create provides thousands of visitors each month.

    One final note - For the month of May EZA produced over 77,000 page views with my articles and sent over 8000 visitors to my websites - That's just from my articles on EZA, so it is very much alive.

    Respectfully,
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior pj
    I experienced the same problem with you. Ezine articles never let me to post my own articles and I don't know why. So I looked for new article sites. Can any one suggest me good article submitting sites? thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author karenloye
      Two article directories I like a lot and always use are ArticlesBase.com and GoArticles.com. Both are highly ranked directories and easy to submit to. Definitely worth giving a try.
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  • Profile picture of the author Giggle
    Not enough luck with Ezine Articles in recent times, but they are still better than their competition as far as user interface, clicks and views
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Great post, matty....

      "Once started to write 1000-1200 word "mini-reports" with lots of great content, my traffic and opt-in stats went way up."

      The same has occurred to me.

      Originally Posted by matty-81 View Post

      I think mass submission to article directories is a real waste of time. As far as EZA being dead, it's not for me. My articles do quite well there. Another directory that's really good for traffic is Buzzle. EZA is still better because the staff and service is top notch.

      The reason I think my articles get views is because I no longer write for the search engines. I know it sounds like a backwards startegy, but I try to produce killer content now all the time.

      I used to write lots of 300-400 word articles and they weren't really good for anything other than backlinks. Once started to write 1000-1200 word "mini-reports" with lots of great content, my traffic and opt-in stats went way up.

      In short, I was doing it wrong. I think there are 2 article marketing schools out there:

      1. Write 15-20 short, "salesy" type articles every day and submit them to hundreds of directories.

      And

      2. Write 1 or 2 "killer content" articles each day and submit them to the top 20 directories.

      I used to belong to School #1, but I've found that my traffic and sales are much better if I stick with School #2.

      I've found that longer articles with better content will rank better in the search engines naturally. When you do a little keyword optimizing, they rank even better.
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    • Profile picture of the author mlord10
      Originally Posted by matty-81 View Post

      I think mass submission to article directories is a real waste of time. As far as EZA being dead, it's not for me. My articles do quite well there. Another directory that's really good for traffic is Buzzle. EZA is still better because the staff and service is top notch.

      The reason I think my articles get views is because I no longer write for the search engines. I know it sounds like a backwards startegy, but I try to produce killer content now all the time.

      I used to write lots of 300-400 word articles and they weren't really good for anything other than backlinks. Once started to write 1000-1200 word "mini-reports" with lots of great content, my traffic and opt-in stats went way up.

      In short, I was doing it wrong. I think there are 2 article marketing schools out there:

      1. Write 15-20 short, "salesy" type articles every day and submit them to hundreds of directories.

      And

      2. Write 1 or 2 "killer content" articles each day and submit them to the top 20 directories.

      I used to belong to School #1, but I've found that my traffic and sales are much better if I stick with School #2.

      I've found that longer articles with better content will rank better in the search engines naturally. When you do a little keyword optimizing, they rank even better.
      This is basically what I came to this thread to post. Many people do not realize that the real value of ezinearticles.com is not in the initial submissions, but in the long term traffic that the article will bring.

      I have recently started focusing on writing fewer articles, but the articles are of much higher quality and are nearly twice as long. I used to think that submitting tons of articles each day was the way to go, but lately my stats have fallen off using this strategy, thus I had to change my strategy.

      I now try to submit articles between 500-700 words that are of much higher quality, because one of the real values of ezinearticles.com is that other webmasters/bloggers can syndicate your content to hundreds or even thousands of people.

      Optimizing your articles via keyword research, along with writing high quality content that others will want to publish essentially kills two birds with one stone and can drastically improve traffic.

      ezinearticles.com is NOT as effective as it has been in the past, but you just have to find other ways to make it work for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Originally Posted by mlord10 View Post

        This is basically what I came to this thread to post. Many people do not realize that the real value of ezinearticles.com is not in the initial submissions, but in the long term traffic that the article will bring.

        I have recently started focusing on writing fewer articles, but the articles are of much higher quality and are nearly twice as long. I used to think that submitting tons of articles each day was the way to go, but lately my stats have fallen off using this strategy, thus I had to change my strategy.

        I now try to submit articles between 500-700 words that are of much higher quality, because one of the real values of ezinearticles.com is that other webmasters/bloggers can syndicate your content to hundreds or even thousands of people.

        Optimizing your articles via keyword research, along with writing high quality content that others will want to publish essentially kills two birds with one stone and can drastically improve traffic.

        ezinearticles.com is NOT as effective as it has been in the past, but you just have to find other ways to make it work for you.
        I agree. No one site is ever infallible, and, as IMers, we should be continually adapting and using the tools that work.....in the meantime, diversification is also key. Based on some of the trends I've seen, I would be weary to put all my eggs in the EZA basket....as I had said before, a wise and prudent IMer would use it in conjunction with many other avenues.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Striker
    As someone who has yet to submit to an ezine I am left to ponder whether to or not after reading this. I am in the process of trying to get busy setting things up after a false start a year or so ago. There is a lot of mention of premium accounts, is it worth submitting using a normal account?
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    • Profile picture of the author TimG
      Originally Posted by Aussie_Striker View Post

      As someone who has yet to submit to an ezine I am left to ponder whether to or not after reading this. I am in the process of trying to get busy setting things up after a false start a year or so ago. There is a lot of mention of premium accounts, is it worth submitting using a normal account?
      Don't let the negative talk scare you away. This article directory still packs a punch and failure to not submit to it will keep you from reaching your true profit potential.

      You don't need a premium account to harness the power of EZA.

      Respectfully,
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Originally Posted by TimG View Post

        Don't let the negative talk scare you away. This article directory still packs a punch and failure to not submit to it will keep you from reaching your true profit potential.

        You don't need a premium account to harness the power of EZA.

        Respectfully,
        Tim
        Completely agree with Tim here. Even though I have been noticing some 'trends' as the internet continually evolves, the best, most optimal strategy, that a wise and prudent online marketer "should" take should be to use several sites in conjunction.....

        Diversification is key in everything we do, right?
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        • Profile picture of the author Shannon Spoon
          Thanks everyone for your replies. I have been using Ezine since July 2009 and here is a little of what i have learned.

          1. Use your keyword/s in your title verry important.

          2. Use your keywords in the first, middle and last paragragh of your article.

          3. Use LSI in your article.(Latent Semantic Indexing)

          4. Use your keyword for your anchor text

          5. Make your article at least 400 words long so you won't be limited to 3 words in your anchor text.

          6. Write for your reader first search engines second.

          7. Have a great call to action in your resource box

          Anybody care to share anything else?
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    • Profile picture of the author GameVoid
      In my totally unexperienced and newbie opinion, I think that sites like EZA and Article Base are going to become a lot more irrelevant in the search engines unless their quality control becomes a lot more stringent. "Spun" articles and 300 word mini reviews are going to become recognized by the search engines for what they are - crap.

      My highest viewed article on EZA right now is one in which I had some actual source material left over from an actual expert on the subject. So the article looks like an article you would see in a magazine or a non-IM blog. My crap articles that I wrote after reading a lot of "advice" on the matter did get me some backlinks, but not much else.

      I think that in 2 years time or less spun articles and other desperate pleas to google are going to be worthless. Sites and articles that have (or at least appear to have) quality content that people actually want to read all the way through are going to be recognized better by Googles ever changing algorithms.

      Sites that have real gatekeepers that are actually knowledgeable in the fields they are editing for (such as Suite101) will be the ones that Google will adore and EZA and the like will be on the "also ran" results pages.

      Just my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
    I've been writing on EZA for about 5 years now and I have definitely noticed some changes. The most noticeable is that my articles get published far less than they used to. I do get some great traffic from some of my older articles though. I have a few from 2 - 3 years ago that are still getting 2,000 - 3,000 visitors a month for narrow niches, and sending me 300 - 700 highly targeted visitors.

    It is getting far more difficult to get articles that rank highly and get the kind of traffic that used to be relatively easy to achieve. In addition, the number of "published" has dropped precipitously. I still use them, both for the traffic and the back links, just not as often as I uesd to.

    On a different note, it amazes me how many marketers write rather poor resource boxes and use their website URL for their link. Anchor text, anyone??
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Francis
    it's far away from dead ! It's actually better than before . You see , it's all based on whether you know how to promote your article on ezine . THings like your title and everything plays big factors once you master it buddy , you'll be getting tons of views . I still get a whole lots of views from Ezine and make couple grand passive right now from my old articles and a few not so old ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author rukhsanapk
    Shannon Spoon,
    i have the same problem as your one, i am also getting just a few views, i thing article submission will not work more for us.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    I think this thread shows the importance of why you should build up your own authority site instead of someone else's.

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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by skyfox7 View Post

      I think this thread shows the importance of why you should build up your own authority site instead of someone else's.

      Chris
      Yes. Constructing the business model, amidst the plethora of competition out there, and building an authority site from the ground up (with little to no investment), would be VERY difficult, outside of an injection of a huge amount of capital.

      Not to be boastful, but, based on alot of research and analysis, I believe I've identified flaws and deficiencies in many authority sites, however, to build an authority site, that could directly compete with the HubPages, Squidoos, etc of the world, one would need a HUGE injection of capital. The truth is, when a site like that is young, building and developing it would require quite a few writers writing content for little to nothing for years. How do you motivate those people and effectively incetivize the platform/authority site?
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

        Yes. Constructing the business model, amidst the plethora of competition out there, and building an authority site from the ground up (with little to no investment), would be VERY difficult, outside of an injection of a huge amount of capital.
        True, but the key here is the long term return on investment.

        Not to be boastful, but, based on alot of research and analysis, I believe I've identified flaws and deficiencies in many authority sites, however, to build an authority site, that could directly compete with the HubPages, Squidoos, etc of the world, one would need a HUGE injection of capital. The truth is, when a site like that is young, building and developing it would require quite a few writers writing content for little to nothing for years. How do you motivate those people and effectively incetivize the platform/authority site?
        Its like bodybuilding, the ones who get the full 8-pack are the ones in it for the long haul and most dedicated.

        People think too narrow. You could for example, find a group of likeminded individuals on a particular niche, invest in some good legal representation and enter into a profit sharing buisness contract, and together write content and build a authority site together, sort of like a communal portal type thing. (You get the idea)

        You are limited only by your creativeness.

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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          Really great points, skyfox. I'll keep my out for you, and your future posts here.....

          And, I certainly think it's possible...it's just becoming very very tricky to do. I've analyzed the business models of many revenue sharing/authority/article submission content sites, and, I'd have to say, I've seen some very interesting things. For starters, the people who began creating authority sites, in the early days of the internet, were able to effectively establish and maintain their 'brand', and develop loyality around themselves and their sites. Squidoo is a prime case study.

          There are sites with revenue share arrangements that absolutely wipe the floor with Squidoo's, however, they were one of the 'first-out-the-gate', and therefore, even with a 50% tiered payment revenue share arrangement, they still gain a significant amount of traffic. On the inverse, I have seen websites, in their early days, that offer 100% revenue share, yet have had ALOT of difficulty getting their sites off the ground.

          But....100% sounds great, doesn't it? Unfortunately, sites that are just starting out (and for anyone wanting to create a site like that), they have numerous barriers to overcome.....a goal and achievement reserved only for, like you said, the most dedicated and passionate of individuals. One thing is for sure, you CAN do it, but you don't have at least $50,000-$100,000 in capital, you will have to be extra creative, and motivated, to pull off an authority site that comes even remotely close to profitable.

          Most importantly, I think, you have to allocate a forum functionality in order to facilitate user interaction and feedback regarding new features that you would introduce to the site. Oh boy...I could talk about this FOREVER....lol

          Love your thoughts and insights though, skyfox



          Originally Posted by skyfox7 View Post

          True, but the key here is the long term return on investment.

          Its like bodybuilding, the ones who get the full 8-pack are the ones in it for the long haul and most dedicated.

          People think too narrow. You could for example, find a group of likeminded individuals on a particular niche, invest in some good legal representation and enter into a profit sharing buisness contract, and together write content and build a authority site together, sort of like a communal portal type thing. (You get the idea)

          You are limited only by your creativeness.

          Chris
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            I almost always post long articles on EZA - and I did that right through the 2-3 years where most people here (not all) recommended using 250-300 word articles.

            I have articles from years ago that still bring traffic. I understand the value of the backlinks but if I'm going to write an article I want the backlinks AND some attention to the article itself. It's 2 for 1.

            Some asked above if I manually submit - yes, I do. And I do not have a premium account. However, I have a platinum account and articles go live usually within 24 hrs.

            I think Chris at EZA has begun to reduce some of the crappy articles - all you need to do is look at the complaint threads posted here recently about EZA denials.

            For those who are not getting views or clickthroughs on their articles - first analyze the headline to see if it gets attention. Then read your own article - does it say something or have an interesting slant on a subject? Or is it a group of bland, general sentences to highlight one or two keyword phrases?

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  • Profile picture of the author sunnygal
    I think that there is a big difference between people like TimG (people who are well established) and newcomers just getting started using EzineArticles.

    Long term users will have an inherent advantage just from having a long established profile, which links to any new articles that they submit.

    I think that the strategy for using EA has changed, and everyone really needs to adapt to maximize their usage of EA.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by sunnygal View Post

      I think that there is a big difference between people like TimG (people who are well established) and newcomers just getting started using EzineArticles.

      Long term users will have an inherent advantage just from having a long established profile, which links to any new articles that they submit.

      I think that the strategy for using EA has changed, and everyone really needs to adapt to maximize their usage of EA.
      Sunnygal,

      Have you used Ezine Articles for awhile? What has your experience been like, if you don't mind me asking?
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Okay, I have a niche that I have been submitting various articles to sub
        niches of that main niche for years now...and there are tons of sub niches
        to it.

        Up until now, all my articles got, at minimum, several hundred views a piece.
        Some in the thousands and some in the 10's of thousands. I have some
        articles that consistently get 1,000 views each month.

        I just submitted about 6 article for various sub niches to this main niche
        and 4 have been approved.

        Usually, the first day, I'll get about 30 to 50 views.

        These articles have gotten me 14, 10, 1 and 1 views respectfully.

        My jaw almost dropped to the floor.

        Same quality of writing, if not better than 4 years ago, same methods used.

        But the results?

        I can't speak for everybody else, but for me, EZA, while not dead yet
        (thank God for my articles that still perform well) is slowly dying.

        The numbers can't be ignored.

        Time to find another playground to play in.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Okay, I have a niche that I have been submitting various articles to sub
          niches of that main niche for years now...and there are tons of sub niches
          to it.

          Up until now, all my articles got, at minimum, several hundred views a piece.
          Some in the thousands and some in the 10's of thousands. I have some
          articles that consistently get 1,000 views each month.

          I just submitted about 6 article for various sub niches to this main niche
          and 4 have been approved.

          Usually, the first day, I'll get about 30 to 50 views.

          These articles have gotten me 14, 10, 1 and 1 views respectfully.

          My jaw almost dropped to the floor.

          Same quality of writing, if not better than 4 years ago, same methods used.

          But the results?

          I can't speak for everybody else, but for me, EZA, while not dead yet
          (thank God for my articles that still perform well) is slowly dying.

          The numbers can't be ignored.

          Time to find another playground to play in.
          The only thing that has happened more than likely is that there are now either:

          1. A new large group of affiliates submitting content to your subcategory
          2. A handfull of affiliates that are carpet bombing

          In either case, your article is getting pushed out of the sub-categories faster than it did in the past, thus you aren't seeing as many views as you once did.

          The same thing is happening in more than a few sub-categories that used to be largely untouched by the affiliate community. People that realize just how much traffic EZA can drive to an offer are getting more and more clever with each day that passes from a couple of different perspectives...

          They are finding better ways to monitor the data that can be had from EZA.

          They are finding ways to make their content stand out in a crowd.

          and...

          They are still finding ways to manipulate where their article "is" and what kind of ranking they attain with that article.

          EZA is only dying to those that can't follow the trends and read the writing on the wall.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

            EZA is only dying to those that can't follow the trends and read the writing on the wall.
            Well, I'm not going to go digging for niches that I have absolutely no
            interest in just to latch onto one that I can dominate (not when I still
            have a few niches left where my old articles are still doing 1,000 plus views
            monthly) and I'm not going to pay $97 a month just to get to decide when
            my article gets posted.

            So yes, I can follow trends and read the writing on the wall.

            I just refuse to play this F'd up game.
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            • Profile picture of the author zerofill
              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              Well, I'm not going to go digging for niches that I have absolutely no
              interest in
              You know how many niches Jeremy and I are in that I have an interest in? Zero... lol

              I have an interest in the money they produce.

              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              I just refuse to play this F'd up game.
              All IM is is a game...out smarting the rest of the competition...then they outsmart you...then you outsmart them... That is part of the fun of it and what keeps it from getting so damn old and tiresome.
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              • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

                You know how many niches Jeremy and I are in that I have an interest in? Zero... lol

                I have an interest in the money they produce.



                All IM is is a game...out smarting the rest of the competition...then they outsmart you...then you outsmart them... That is part of the fun of it and what keeps it from getting so damn old and tiresome.
                Don, maybe I'm the one who's getting old.
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerdrun
    U just gotta know how... EZA's never dead... It's like youtube only content... It requires work to master traffic and ctr. Once done, ur traffic woes are gone. except for your sales funnel(that's where you need to focus on).
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanlucht
    It seems to me that website statistics say that eZine Article's traffic IS indeed dropping, and I keep hearing marketers saying "it's dying, it's dying" or that "I hate them, they're so hard to work with".

    The fact of the matter is, eZine Articles still has 3x the traffic of any other article database like Articlesbase or GoArticles. They have the highest quality standards and send the most traffic. You can check that on compete.com if you don't believe me.

    Also, I've never had a problem getting my articles accepted and published in a timely manner at eZine. In fact, I'm not a premium member or anything, but the last article I submitted was accepted in 24 hours! They send traffic and clickthrus to my site (especially high CTR if you're good at writing articles and playing on emotions), so I can't complain.

    Bottom line: I'm staying with eZine for now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by ryanlucht View Post

      It seems to me that website statistics say that eZine Article's traffic IS indeed dropping, and I keep hearing marketers saying "it's dying, it's dying" or that "I hate them, they're so hard to work with".

      The fact of the matter is, eZine Articles still has 3x the traffic of any other article database like Articlesbase or GoArticles. They have the highest quality standards and send the most traffic. You can check that on compete.com if you don't believe me.

      Also, I've never had a problem getting my articles accepted and published in a timely manner at eZine. In fact, I'm not a premium member or anything, but the last article I submitted was accepted in 24 hours! They send traffic and clickthrus to my site (especially high CTR if you're good at writing articles and playing on emotions), so I can't complain.

      Bottom line: I'm staying with eZine for now.

      It may have more traffic than other directories, but make no mistake
      about it...they are a shell of their former selves.

      Honestly, I didn't see this coming. I should have, but I didn't.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Here's another possible reason why EZA may not be as effective today as
        it was years ago.

        I just went to edit an old article of mine because now you can do it without
        having the article removed from circulation.

        Well, I changed just the resource box because I had one that I knew would
        perform a lot better.

        When I went to resubmit, I got a message saying that the keyword couldn't
        be more than 2%. My keyword density for that article was 2.8%.

        Now, knocking down a 555 word article to 2% KWD isn't tough. But imagine
        trying to do that with a 250 word article.

        So now that their standards are stricter, it's probably harder for an
        article to rank, at least in comparison to years ago.

        Whatever the reason, there is no doubt, at least for the niches I am in,
        that views have drastically gone down in some cases and at least
        moderately in others.
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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Here's another possible reason why EZA may not be as effective today as
          it was years ago.

          I just went to edit an old article of mine because now you can do it without
          having the article removed from circulation.

          Well, I changed just the resource box because I had one that I knew would
          perform a lot better.

          When I went to resubmit, I got a message saying that the keyword couldn't
          be more than 2%. My keyword density for that article was 2.8%.

          Now, knocking down a 555 word article to 2% KWD isn't tough. But imagine
          trying to do that with a 250 word article.

          So now that their standards are stricter, it's probably harder for an
          article to rank, at least in comparison to years ago.

          Whatever the reason, there is no doubt, at least for the niches I am in,
          that views have drastically gone down in some cases and at least
          moderately in others.
          Steven,

          Did you just write another post about EZA? Was it deleted? I had crafted a rather lengthy response and was unable to post it....
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            Steven,

            Did you just write another post about EZA? Was it deleted? I had crafted a rather lengthy response and was unable to post it....
            Yeah, it was canned...not that I am at all surprised.

            I keep forgetting.
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            • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              Yeah, it was canned...not that I am at all surprised.

              I keep forgetting.
              ah....shucks....and, it was a great response, too....lol....oh well I guess I'll just have to make up that lost post somewhere else now...
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Okay, I will confine my comments to this thread.

              I have personally spoken to many EZA experts. You know who you are.

              I know from personal contact that many of these people use tactics to
              get mass views to their articles that EZA would not take kindly to.

              I personally refuse to go down that path for a buck.

              Some might view this as being too virtuous to just being a plain fool. So
              be it, but IMO, there are more important things than money. You have to
              be able to look at yourself in the mirror.

              If I wanted to, I could get massive views to all my EZA articles. I'd also
              run a real risk of getting my account zapped, as some of you have already
              been the victim of that and now have to have your articles submitted
              via a 3rd party.

              Yes, you know who you are.

              EZA, using it the way EZA wants you to use it, is a shell of its former
              self UNLESS you happen to tap into niches that do not have a lot of
              competition. Otherwise, if you're going to compete in the top niches,
              you really have to think outside of the box and do things that EZA would
              consider black hat.

              Either that, or you have to open numerous Premium accounts, spending
              countless thousands of dollars monthly, to get YOUR articles submitted
              when you want.

              But don't take MY word for it. Ask the folks who are doing these things
              and they'll tell you.

              You can't play this game the way it was played 4 years ago and win.

              THAT is the reality of the situation with EZA.
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              • Profile picture of the author FrenchieATX
                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                Okay, I will confine my comments to this thread.
                .....
                You can't play this game the way it was played 4 years ago and win.

                THAT is the reality of the situation with EZA.
                Thanks for confirming, I've not seen much results from my first 6-7 articles and so, to be honest, I'm not convinced article marketing is the best approach for 2010. I could also be making a rookie mistake by ignoring it for now..
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                • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
                  Originally Posted by FrenchieATX View Post

                  Thanks for confirming, I've not seen much results from my first 6-7 articles and so, to be honest, I'm not convinced article marketing is the best approach for 2010. I could also be making a rookie mistake by ignoring it for now..
                  Frenchie,

                  While I'm a firm believer that it's not necessarily the "quantity" of articles you write, but rather the firm application of SEO/LSI principles, to give EZA the benefit of the doubt (or any platform, for that matter) I think it would be hard to gauge true effectiveness of your efforts off of soley 6-7 articles.... (many here would probably agree)

                  (Of course, quantity is good when we are talking more inline of establishing yourself as an authority, will consistent high quality amounts of articles...)
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                • Profile picture of the author Rikki_Fawkes
                  What I've found trouble with on EZA is ranking in Google for a keyword against EZA articles that are from 2007 or 2008 - many of which are absolute garbage, by the way. I shake my head each time I see one that has barely 300 words but is still ranking on the front page for the keyword.
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                  • Profile picture of the author TimG
                    Originally Posted by Rikki_Fawkes View Post

                    What I've found trouble with on EZA is ranking in Google for a keyword against EZA articles that are from 2007 or 2008 - many of which are absolute garbage, by the way. I shake my head each time I see one that has barely 300 words but is still ranking on the front page for the keyword.

                    I probably have some of those article myself from back in 2005-2007. Not necessarily less then 300 words as I was always a bit picky about going over that number but some of my articles were pretty nasty looking because it was a learning phase for many of us back then.

                    Actually, its not so much that the articles were that bad but my goodness the resource boxes I was using were horrendous.

                    For example: Timothy Gorman provides more insurance information and free money saving insurance quotes that you can research in you pajamas on his website located at WEBSITE INFO HERE.

                    Absolutely hideous I know but those were the early days.

                    Tim
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      • Profile picture of the author Ruth Hendrickson
        From my experience, it's much better and more profitable in the long run to spend the time and post one excellent article on Ezinearticles than to write (or re-write) a bunch of articles quickly. The difference in number of views can be in the thousands. Keyword research is really important, too. It takes time to write a superior article utilizing the right keywords, title, resource box, etc., but is well worth the effort in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hugh
    Another part of the equation is sheer volume. I would ask anyone
    to verify or correct this number, but my tired old brain remembers
    that EZA processes something like 20,000 articles a week.

    Let's say you write an article on "weight loss" and so do 200 other
    people THAT DAY. All to EZA. How long will yours be visible? If EZA is
    getting that kind of volume, they are not the one with the problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanman
    Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon View Post

    It seems like no matter what i submit to them these days i only get few views here and there.

    Has anyone else experienced the same thing?

    Or is it just me?
    Are you serious...No literally...Are you serious? Show me another site on the web which sends you as much traffic as ezines can send you in a matter of few days of submission?

    There are no other sites around at the moment which can beat ezines in the initial traffic boost & sales...Hands down.

    But why are you getting fewer views? Well the simplest reason is the increase in the number of authors there...At present they have over 293,000 authors.

    It's increasing like crazy every single day...Therefore in the olden days when one category used to get a max of 100 articles per day...Now it's getting 1000+...So it's very much understandable why some people are getting fewer views.

    You would only get more views if your article stays on the top long enough...But with so many authors pumping out articles every minute you can expect this to happen.

    If you were to compare the monthly traffic on ezines from 2006 till now...You will see that it's only grown with time. Therefore ezines is far from dead. In fact! It's growing like crazy every single day.

    And to those who claim that ezines only has crap articles...Guess what? They just don't have a few thousand articles...They have millions of articles. Among which there are some very high quality articles as well. And that's the reason why they still get a lot of love from google.

    And another thing...Check out ehow and some of the articles there. It's far crappier than what ezines produces and it's getting loads of google love.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shannon Spoon
      Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

      Are you serious...No literally...Are you serious? Show me another site on the web which sends you as much traffic as ezines can send you in a matter of few days of submission?

      There are no other sites around at the moment which can beat ezines in the initial traffic boost & sales...Hands down.

      But why are you getting fewer views? Well the simplest reason is the increase in the number of authors there...At present they have over 293,000 authors.

      It's increasing like crazy every single day...Therefore in the olden days when one category used to get a max of 100 articles per day...Now it's getting 1000+...So it's very much understandable why some people are getting fewer views.

      You would only get more views if your article stays on the top long enough...But with so many authors pumping out articles every minute you can expect this to happen.

      If you were to compare the monthly traffic on ezines from 2006 till now...You will see that it's only grown with time. Therefore ezines is far from dead. In fact! It's growing like crazy every single day.

      And to those who claim that ezines only has crap articles...Guess what? They just don't have a few thousand articles...They have millions of articles. Among which there are some very high quality articles as well. And that's the reason why they still get a lot of love from google.

      And another thing...Check out ehow and some of the articles there. It's far crappier than what ezines produces and it's getting loads of google love.
      Yes i am serious and i was just asking a question. I wasn't making a statement. I have been a member of Ezine since July of 2009 and i know how to get traffic to my articles.

      I noticed this change back in Feb actually.

      Now for the answer that the articles are not getting that many views because they only stay in the top 30 for a certain period of time is true to a certain extent.

      I have articles i submitted that did stay in the top 30 for at least a day or more and i think out of the 8 articles i got 50 views total.

      I agrre that Ezine is getting more authors all the time. I think when i stated they had like 200,000 but IMO i think their traffic is droppping as far as non Imer's going to their site.
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      • Profile picture of the author ryanman
        Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon View Post

        Yes i am serious and i was just asking a question. I wasn't making a statement. I have been a member of Ezine since July of 2009 and i know how to get traffic to my articles.

        I noticed this change back in Feb actually.

        Now for the answer that the articles are not getting that many views because they only stay in the top 30 for a certain period of time is true to a certain extent.

        I have articles i submitted that did stay in the top 30 for at least a day or more and i think out of the 8 articles i got 50 views total.

        I agrre that Ezine is getting more authors all the time. I think when i stated they had like 200,000 but IMO i think their traffic is droppping as far as non Imer's going to their site.
        I just studied your ezinearticles account...Some of your articles have very average titles...I would say add a stronger call to action in your titles and you will see an instant increase in views.

        Instead of writing- Lose Fat Belly Fast - My Tips For Real Weight Loss...You could make it - Are you sick of that stubborn belly fat? Here are 7 Sure fire tricks to get rid of it fast...

        Get my drift?
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        • Profile picture of the author Shannon Spoon
          Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

          I just studied your ezinearticles account...Some of your articles have very average titles...I would say add a stronger call to action in your titles and you will see an instant increase in views.

          Instead of writing- Lose Fat Belly Fast - My Tips For Real Weight Loss...You could make it - Are you sick of that stubborn belly fat? Here are 7 Sure fire tricks to get rid of it fast...

          Get my drift?
          That is my first account. I haven't touched that since last year. I have a platinum account that has several authors.

          I agree, when i started that account i was green but after over a year i believe i have gotten a lot better at keyword research, LSI and all that stuff..anchor text etc..
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  • Profile picture of the author lisaweyn
    You are right. Ezine is not what it used to be. I have noted beautiful articles I submitted receiving less views.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolls
    Some claim there is software to do the submission! Ok. For you to be cocksure that it happened, go and search that article or go and sign into EZA and confirm wheteher any article was submitted that has his/her profile.

    Manual submission might take time,but you will see verifiable result. Does software submission work?

    Please provide warrior with proof!

    I stand to be corrected

    wolls
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by wolls View Post

      Some claim there is software to do the submission! Ok. For you to be cocksure that it happened, go and search that article or go and sign into EZA and confirm wheteher any article was submitted that has his/her profile.

      Manual submission might take time,but you will see verifiable result. Does software submission work?

      Please provide warrior with proof!

      I stand to be corrected

      wolls
      What the....???? :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by wolls View Post

      Some claim there is software to do the submission! Ok. For you to be cocksure that it happened, go and search that article or go and sign into EZA and confirm wheteher any article was submitted that has his/her profile.

      Manual submission might take time,but you will see verifiable result. Does software submission work?

      Please provide warrior with proof!

      I stand to be corrected

      wolls
      I am absolutely irrevocably undeniably cocksure that automated article marketing submission does work. As a matter of fact, we auto submit all of our sites in addition to using a couple subscriptions services that also auto submit to their networks.

      Therefore, consider yourself corrected...

      Giles, the Crew Chief

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  • Profile picture of the author Triwlo
    Yup, tougher than before -_-
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    I'm writing articles for EA since 2007 and a few of them keep sending traffic to my websites since then. I'm trying to write the kind of article that keeps constantly sending visitors to my websites, but this is very difficult.

    I feel that the clicks on my links are not as many as in the beginning because in the beginning I was writing about what everyone cares about concerning my topics. Now that I'm trying to write about something else, there are many articles that don't receive the attention they deserve.

    I decided to write again about a few topics I had written in the past, through a different perspective, because these are the hot topics.

    If you want to write about something else you have to find a way to include this information in an article about a demanded topic.

    BTW, I discovered that the EzineArticles system doesn't work well. Thanks to statcounter.com I saw that many of the articles that send traffic to my websites appear with zero clicks in my article reports!!

    I sent around three or four messages to their editors about this matter, but at the end EA's editors simply told me that their counter is working perfectly and that's it.

    However, if you want to really know if the traffic that goes to your websites comes from your EA articles, you have to include your website at statcounter's system and click the link Came from.

    Statcounter is much better than Analytics in many ways, and it gives you real time statistics, while Analytics shows you what had happened the previous day.

    You'll feel much better after verifying that your articles are sending traffic to your websites, even if EA's counter shows zero clicks when you check your article reports.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
    The thing about ezine is that 80% of the articles are pure rubbish. Anyone seriously looking for information is not going to read through a whole load of waffle even if it is only 350 words long.

    In addition, most of these articles are about things people already know about and so don't need to read articles on the subject.

    And finally, some niches are very small, if there are only 8 customers a day, worldwide, but you get all 8 onto your article, get half of them to click your link and half of those buy, you've still made 2 sales a day in return for one article.

    What is all comes down to is this:

    1. Does your article actually tell readers anything new about the subject.
    2. Is this reflected in the title.

    If the answer is yes for both then you'll get the page views.

    If the answer is no, it's just a 300 word ramble about hoodia or **** berries, goldfish bowls, or world of warcraft, then you wont get views.
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  • Profile picture of the author yesacpow
    Eza is not dead but you must understand that more and more people are using them everyday.

    Almost every course on article marketing refer to them

    Plus with so many premium members, it is very hard for the regular authors. What you need to do is to write less articles and focus on ranking those articles for the long term traffic instead of the few visits they get when they go live initially.
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  • Profile picture of the author spear
    Ezine Articles is still alive. Ive just spent the good part of my afternoon viewing ezine articles but mostly on self improvement, health and parenting. the competition is quite high though, you have to step it up a little.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    EA is not dead but I agree with many posters that it is definitely not the same as it was just a year or two ago. They need to make some big improvements to stay at the top and keep up with the times.
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  • Profile picture of the author rodmac87
    I wrote some articles there including some long ones and got pretty much nothing. Anyone have other suggestions, I know Goarticles and a few others but not sure what's the best.
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    • Profile picture of the author luckystar
      Article writing has come to stay in the world of online business. Another name for article writing is information providing.

      therefore, the question you need to ask yourself is, how informative is my information?

      until you provide answer to the above question, your article will keep on doing nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author waken
    What works today may not work tomorrow.

    Seriously, safelists make wonders a few years ago and now it's almost dead..

    So, you'd better take advantage of the time that you have now to actually reap the rewards.
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  • Profile picture of the author webdelux
    Well it totally depends on trends and what the purpose of the article is. The title seem to get there own SERP listings so you may benefit down the road still. Use Google trends and write on hot topics for the moment. Just a suggestion. Also have you purchased any featured listings?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Let me clarify something here because I may have not made my point clear.

      For everybody, myself included, who has come to this thread saying EZA
      either is dead, isn't dead, is dying or isn't dying...this is all going to depend
      on what niches you're targeting and the quality of your keyword selection
      and article itself.

      I still have some niches where the articles I wrote years ago are still
      bringing in many views per month. I also have articles that never did
      anything and still don't.

      All I am saying is, in relation to the same niche, same article quality and
      same keyword selection as years ago, the performance of the directory,
      setting aside any external actions (driving traffic, etc.) has diminished over
      the years.

      I don't think anybody can argue that.

      But again, that depends on the factors I've named.

      Somebody can start brand new with EZA today, write articles on a
      particular niche and get 10,000 or more views a month and turn around
      and say, "So what's wrong with EZA?"

      In your eyes, nothing.

      But that same article 4 years ago would have gotten you 20,000 or more
      views per month.

      That's all I'm saying.

      Unless you happen to tap into a niche that absolutely nobody knows
      about (and trust me, these days they'll find out damn fast) you are not
      going to get the same results (barring outside forces) that you would
      have gotten years ago.

      In other words, you have to test apples versus apples, which I have done.

      Article views for the same type of articles and the exact same keyword
      selection, for me, are down 20% from 4 years ago. And that's using the
      same traffic generation to the articles...none.

      Actually, in fact, that's not even true. Years ago, EZA didn't have the
      automatic Twitter tweet option that they have now and which I use. And
      even with that, my views are nowhere near my views of even last year at
      this time. And I have close to 7,000 followers.

      Pound per pound, not using any artificial traffic generation or black hat
      methods, EZA is shell of what it was.

      And while I am the first one to say that stating absolutes like this is
      irresponsible, to say the least, in this case, having submitted over 2,000
      articles to the directly, I confidently stand behind that statement.

      EZA is on life support for the standard "by the book" article marketer.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Let me clarify something here because I may have not made my point clear.

        For everybody, myself included, who has come to this thread saying EZA
        either is dead, isn't dead, is dying or isn't dying...this is all going to depend
        on what niches you're targeting and the quality of your keyword selection
        and article itself.

        I still have some niches where the articles I wrote years ago are still
        bringing in many views per month. I also have articles that never did
        anything and still don't.

        All I am saying is, in relation to the same niche, same article quality and
        same keyword selection as years ago, the performance of the directory,
        setting aside any external actions (driving traffic, etc.) has diminished over
        the years.

        I don't think anybody can argue that.

        But again, that depends on the factors I've named.

        Somebody can start brand new with EZA today, write articles on a
        particular niche and get 10,000 or more views a month and turn around
        and say, "So what's wrong with EZA?"

        In your eyes, nothing.

        But that same article 4 years ago would have gotten you 20,000 or more
        views per month.

        That's all I'm saying.

        Unless you happen to tap into a niche that absolutely nobody knows
        about (and trust me, these days they'll find out damn fast) you are not
        going to get the same results (barring outside forces) that you would
        have gotten years ago.

        In other words, you have to test apples versus apples, which I have done.

        Article views for the same type of articles and the exact same keyword
        selection, for me, are down 20% from 4 years ago. And that's using the
        same traffic generation to the articles...none.

        Actually, in fact, that's not even true. Years ago, EZA didn't have the
        automatic Twitter tweet option that they have now and which I use. And
        even with that, my views are nowhere near my views of even last year at
        this time. And I have close to 7,000 followers.

        Pound per pound, not using any artificial traffic generation or black hat
        methods, EZA is shell of what it was.

        And while I am the first one to say that stating absolutes like this is
        irresponsible, to say the least, in this case, having submitted over 2,000
        articles to the directly, I confidently stand behind that statement.

        EZA is on life support for the standard "by the book" article marketer.
        ^This!

        Absolutely spot on Steve!

        Ezine should be used as a tool to build your OWN websites and get good seo rankings with the sites you own.

        It always should of been used as such - if you are just writing an article or two and not doing keyword research properly or building backlinks you may have problems getting traffic.
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        • Profile picture of the author TimG
          Steven,
          Great post with some concrete data to back up what you and others are seeing. I'd like to add in a few more tidbits myself.

          Possible causes for drops in EZA traffic:

          1 - More authors competing for the same traffic or even less traffic.

          2 - The introduction of the premium author who can establish when they want their article published.

          3 - The change in the most viewed section going from "most viewed" to "most viewed in 90 days" to "most veiwed in 60 days" and there may have been a "most viewed in 120 days" at one point...I can't fully remember.

          4 - More article directories competing with EZA for traffic.

          5 - Social networking sites competing with EZA for traffic.

          6 - Google imposing its own will on EZA (such as the 2% keyword density rule). After all if EZA articles showed up on the first page for every search why use Google at all...just go straight to EZA.

          For the past few years if article marketing was mentioned it was assumed this was being impled: Article marketing equal EZA

          That may have been the case ( I know if was 3 and 4 years ago) but today article marketing now means the following:

          Article marketing equals EZA, Goarticles, Buzzle, Articlesbase, Yahoo Answers, Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, Squidoo, Hubpages, Blogger, Wordpress, Forums, Social bookmarking, backlink building, PDF posting and much, much more.

          Article marketing has now become content marketing and once embraced that is where the decrease in traffic will be made up.

          Respectfully,
          Tim
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by TimG View Post

            Steven,
            Great post with some concrete data to back up what you and others are seeing. I'd like to add in a few more tidbits myself.

            Possible causes for drops in EZA traffic:

            1 - More authors competing for the same traffic or even less traffic.

            2 - The introduction of the premium author who can establish when they want their article published.

            3 - The change in the most viewed section going from "most viewed" to "most viewed in 90 days" to "most veiwed in 60 days" and there may have been a "most viewed in 120 days" at one point...I can't fully remember.

            4 - More article directories competing with EZA for traffic.

            5 - Social networking sites competing with EZA for traffic.

            6 - Google imposing its own will on EZA (such as the 2% keyword density rule). After all if EZA articles showed up on the first page for every search why use Google at all...just go straight to EZA.

            For the past few years if article marketing was mentioned it was assumed this was being impled: Article marketing equal EZA

            That may have been the case ( I know if was 3 and 4 years ago) but today article marketing now means the following:

            Article marketing equals EZA, Goarticles, Buzzle, Articlesbase, Yahoo Answers, Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, Squidoo, Hubpages, Blogger, Wordpress, Forums, Social bookmarking, backlink building, PDF posting and much, much more.

            Article marketing has now become content marketing and once embraced that is where the decrease in traffic will be made up.

            Respectfully,
            Tim

            Um, yeah...and all that too.

            Which is why, if you're going to be an article marketer, just starting out
            today anyway, you need to do a lot more than we had to do back in 2006
            when I first started submitting articles.

            The game has totally changed folks.

            And I'm just getting too old to play it anymore.

            Thank God I don't have to.
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            • Profile picture of the author TimG
              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              Um, yeah...and all that too.

              Which is why, if you're going to be an article marketer, just starting out today anyway, you need to do a lot more than we had to do back in 2006 when I first started submitting articles.

              The game has totally changed folks.

              And I'm just getting too old to play it anymore.

              Thank God I don't have to.
              (sigh)....but those were some good times, were they not Steven?

              I surely do miss that time period and wish I had taken more advantage of back then .

              Respectfully,
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  • Profile picture of the author blillard
    There are tons of other article sites to submit to. I would just look at the first page of several search engines and seee what other articles sites get top rankings and submit there.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by blillard View Post

      There are tons of other article sites to submit to. I would just look at the first page of several search engines and seee what other articles sites get top rankings and submit there.
      I have my favorite(s), but this is exactly where people need to be proactive with safeguarding their time and effort investments. I highly encourage people to analyze various site's TOS....take in user experiences....and really compare sites when it comes to functionality, offerings, management, etc. Do sites allow foreign writers (outside the US)? (for as popular as eHow was, foreign writers couldn't sign up for their WCP, which made it very self-limiting)....

      So many questions....really take charge of your investment and safeguard it.
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    Which now includes paying people to view the article(sad to say)

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  • Profile picture of the author RockmanX3
    I'm only getting around $50 a week from ezine and I've only been at this for 2 months, so I'd like to say it's not dead. I'm in a fairly competitive niche too.

    Of course, I'd like to make my income a lot larger.
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  • Profile picture of the author nadavs
    No, EZA isn't dead. As Steven said, it's all about choosing the right keywords. A recent article I submitted got almost 400 views in 10 days. Others never got past 100 views in two years.

    Eventually, EZA brings links, which bring a higher position in the SERPs. Even if it's "dead" for traffic, it's alive and kicking for good backlinks.

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  • Profile picture of the author defaultuser
    EZA is a great place, but any site that isn't your own domain is meant to get the attention of users regardless of what site it is. They are not places to sell a product but places to let the general public become aware of a product.

    They are like trade shows that happen 24 hours a day. Some booths are more interesting than others, and some trade shows are bigger and draw more people than others. Simple as that.

    The bottom line is that you want to be positioned for keywords that get attention in an area you understand, and more importantly, understand users commercial intent.

    Just because it doesn't attract a massive audience doesn't mean that it's not working. You could find out that you only need a handful of customers, JV's, or even affiliates to work out the rest.

    Of course it may not work exactly like that, but as it has been mentioned many times, testing is crucial. This is not passive business at all. Diligence and a patience are a must.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by matty-81 View Post

      I have to agree with Steve, yet instead of saying "EZA is shell of what it was", I would change that to "Article Marketing is a shell of what it was."

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      All of these factors have contributed to a massive influx of article marketers. I fear that within 2 years article marketing will be completely ineffective as well.
      I must say...an excellent assessment.

      Couldn't have said it better.
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        With regards to the Google Adsense advertisement placements that were discussed earlier in this thread....

        I found THIS....

        Adsense premium publisher

        "You can negotiate the revenue share. Normal Adsense-publishers have no permission to discuss the revenue-share for Google. That stands in contrast to the Premium Publishers - they are allowed to negotiate the share which Google will get. That's a huge advantage because 10% more on 100.000 per month is in fact quite a lot."

        So....I wonder how much EZA has negotiated for their revenue share? And, I still think it's a BIG deal that they don't share any of that revenue, at all, with writers....Like I had mentioned earlier in this thread, I truly believe that, in order to remain competitive, they will eventually have to begin sharing their Adsense Revenue....
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      • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
        Originally Posted by matty-81 View Post

        ...All of these factors have contributed to a massive influx of article marketers. I fear that within 2 years article marketing will be completely ineffective as well.
        Matty, quick IM lesson; the World Wide Web is CONTENT driven and will always be! Whatever changes that take place in how that content is disseminated, savvy IMers will make in-flight adjustments and will continue to thrive. Your virtual prophesy that AM will be x'ed out has already been made. See http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...hing-dead.html


        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

        I asked the owner of one of the sites I frequent, and he said the extra allocation of Adsense ad blocks is reserved for people with "premium" adsense accounts.... So, if that is the case, it doesn't appear like something shifty....
        Remember, as I stated, these companies will change their TOS, rules and guidelines for people/companies who bring in the mucho denaro. Having said that, since 2006, I've been monitoring...
        • Blatant MFAs sites
        • Sites that violate the Adsense Ad block count
        • Sites that violate the Adsense content TOS
        In some cases the ads were served for up to two years and more. I've even seen Adsense served on guns/weapons for sale websites.

        In summation, once a company gets as big as Adsense is, they don't catch all offenders. BUT, please if anyone takes that as a license to try and beat G, do so at your own peril!

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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

          Matty, quick IM lesson; the World Wide Web is CONTENT driven and will always be! Whatever changes that take place in how that content is disseminated, savvy IMers will make in-flight adjustments and will continue to thrive. Your virtual prophesy that AM will be x'ed out has already been made. See http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...hing-dead.html




          Remember, as I stated, these companies will change their TOS, rules and guidelines for people/companies who bring in the mucho denaro. Having said that, since 2006, I've been monitoring...
          • Blatant MFAs sites
          • Sites that violate the Adsense Ad block count
          • Sites that violate the Adsense content TOS
          In some cases the ads were served for up to two years and more. I've even seen Adsense served on guns/weapons for sale websites.

          In summation, once a company gets as big as Adsense is, they don't catch all offenders. BUT, please if anyone takes that as a license to try and beat G, do so at your own peril!

          Giles the Crew Chief
          "Remember, as I stated, these companies will change their TOS, rules and guidelines for people/companies who bring in the mucho denaro."

          But, as far as I understand, Google hasn't necessarily changed their TOS, right? They really do have a Premium account option for the (very few) sites that are actually able to achieve their pre-stated traffic standards....
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          • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            "Remember, as I stated, these companies will change their TOS, rules and guidelines for people/companies who bring in the mucho denaro."

            But, as far as I understand, Google hasn't necessarily changed their TOS, right? They really do have a Premium account option for the (very few) sites that are actually able to achieve their pre-stated traffic standards....
            You can view it as a probable case of semantics? Or, two sets of very different rules to play by? I'll choose the latter.

            And by the way, a lot more people fall into the Adsense mucho denaro category than you know. Not everyone doing Adsense has those cookie cutter $0.75 to $3.10 a day blogs.

            There are lots of individuals who have learned how to build true authority sites that generate 6 figures as a stand alone. Sites like this:

            Baking & Dessert Recipes & Pictures - Joyofbaking.com *Fully Tested Recipes*

            I could show you a ton of such sites and they all fit into the PAO status!

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            • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
              Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

              You can view it as a probable case of semantics? Or, two sets of very different rules to play by? I'll choose the latter.

              And by the way, a lot more people fall into the Adsense mucho denaro category than you know. Not everyone doing Adsense has those cookie cutter $0.75 to $3.10 a day blogs.

              There are lots of individuals who have learned how to build true authority sites that generate 6 figures as a stand alone. Sites like this:

              Baking & Dessert Recipes & Pictures - Joyofbaking.com *Fully Tested Recipes*

              I could show you a ton of such sites and they all fit into the PAO status!

              Giles, the Crew Chief
              I know you could, but you won't....lol
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            • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
              Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

              You can view it as a probable case of semantics? Or, two sets of very different rules to play by? I'll choose the latter.

              And by the way, a lot more people fall into the Adsense mucho denaro category than you know. Not everyone doing Adsense has those cookie cutter $0.75 to $3.10 a day blogs.

              There are lots of individuals who have learned how to build true authority sites that generate 6 figures as a stand alone. Sites like this:

              Baking & Dessert Recipes & Pictures - Joyofbaking.com *Fully Tested Recipes*

              I could show you a ton of such sites and they all fit into the PAO status!

              Giles, the Crew Chief
              That woman probably makes a killing....

              About Joyofbaking.com

              "....over 3.5 million page views per month and 6.5 million during the fall holiday season...."
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              • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
                Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

                That woman probably makes a killing....

                About Joyofbaking.com

                "....over 3.5 million page views per month and 6.5 million during the fall holiday season...."
                Not probably x3xsolxdierx3x, it's a husband and wife team and they are indeed making a killing! What's amazing is there is no secret to their success; just HARD WORK, grunt WORK and consistent WORK!

                Oh, and by the way, EZA is not dead and it is not dying, take heed...

                "When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps."
                Confucius


                "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails."
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                For those who don't like the results they are seeing at EZA; re-adjust your action steps!

                To your success!

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                • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
                  I see they've had the site running for quite some time now, and it's great that they've had such great success....I'm sure it's required nothing shy of alot of hard work and sweat capital.

                  "Oh, and by the way, EZA is not dead and it is not dying, take heed..."

                  I think, based on some of the trends I've seen, it would be easy to construe it as "dying"....especially when traffic 'appears' to be going down, one can't help but wonder what is going on with the site. My analytically brain can't help but kick in when I plug it into Quantcast:

                  ezinearticles.com - Quantcast Audience Profile

                  (Posted it earlier)

                  Based on my past experience and research, I can't help but immediately look at their business model and operations, and wonder what they could change or adjust in order to gain all that lost traffic back. Something 'appears' to be askew, and I see trends of many other solid article submission sites emerging, that flat out offer more to writers, beyond the search engine authority, and I can't help but wonder what they could do better to better address the needs of their current (and future) users.....

                  I don't think it is dead by any means. Wasn't there a huge product launch a good year or 2 ago where the owner claimed that Adsense was dead? (It was something called, on the lines of "Life After Adsense") Based on my earnings, I'd have to completely disagree with that....of course, I suppose it just matters what your perspective and point of view is. When we shuffle all that aside though, I try to go back to the read data/graphs/etc....and, they certainly present a picture of EZA having issues that need to be addressed ASAP, as newer competition continually emerges, with stronger business models themselves.



                  Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

                  Not probably x3xsolxdierx3x, it's a husband and wife team and they are indeed making a killing! What's amazing is there is no secret to their success; just HARD WORK, grunt WORK and consistent WORK!

                  Oh, and by the way, EZA is not dead and it is not dying, take heed...

                  "When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps."
                  Confucius

                  "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails."
                  William Arthur Ward

                  For those who don't like the results they are seeing at EZA; re-adjust your action steps!

                  To your success!

                  Giles, the Crew Chief
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                  • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
                    ok, time to add my 2 cents worth.

                    I like blogging, it keeps me focused and helps me put down my problems and solutions. What I do is then simply submit these articles from my blog to EZA (I don't even change them, a direct submittion)

                    I do notice good increases in traffic, with some of my articles still delivering me traffic some 4-5 months after being published (naturally I am tracking where my visitors are coming from, so I know this)

                    There are some variables which I feel are important:

                    1) It matters a lot, when and on which day your article is published. I tried and tested this.

                    2) I don't shoot for the same catergories as everyone else. I blog about what I know, and hopefully what I hope many other people do not.

                    Although my EZA do not always rank well in search engines, my main blog does (thank to the backlinks in my signature I guess)

                    Article marketing is never the only strategy I use, and it's actually a secondary strategy to updating my blog. So I'm pretty please with what I get.
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  • Profile picture of the author Begbie
    I have used EZA seriously for the past few months and have had mixed results. EZA has limited use for long tail keywords as they only allow up to three keywords in anchor text. For example, on my website I want to rank on Las Vegas Bankruptcy Attorney; but, they only allow three words.
    I basically use it for a link and if I get traffic it is a bonus
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by Begbie View Post

      I have used EZA seriously for the past few months and have had mixed results. EZA has limited use for long tail keywords as they only allow up to three keywords in anchor text. For example, on my website I want to rank on Las Vegas Bankruptcy Attorney; but, they only allow three words.
      I basically use it for a link and if I get traffic it is a bonus
      See this post from Shannon about your long tell keywords.

      Originally Posted by Shannon Spoon View Post

      Ezine does allow more than 4 words of anchor text. Your article has to be at least 400 words long.

      "We do not allow articles which have strategic keyword anchor text links in the body to your domain that do not add informational value to the article. Any use of anchored text links to websites that you own should add value to the article topic rather than stand out as an obvious abuse of anchored text link.

      The goal with this policy is to be a good net citizen by only allowing articles that add value with the anchored text links rather than for pure SEO reasons. Please limit your anchor text link length to 3 words in an article that is less than 400 words and 5 words in anchor text if your article is more than 400 words."
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  • Profile picture of the author captivereef
    They are not dead but they do not hold as much weight as they used to but they are far from dead. I get alot of my traffic from nniche directories as opposed to EZA. Plus the smaller directories are easier to backlink to the front page then EZA is!
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  • Profile picture of the author thwallochi
    There are so many new microblogging sites like posterous and Tumblr, in some huge corporations, Ezine articles are considered as spam.

    yeah, i know, im a fan of ezine myself, get alot of social media tips and strategies in ezine. But fact is fact. The online world has changed...So we should as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Smith Williams
    Ezine articles are still very much Alive.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vishal Mahadik
    According to the Owner of EZA, Chris Knight, more than 80% of traffic of EZA comes from the first page ranked articles in the search engines. So where should we focus more?

    Search Engines as well as People who reads your articles.

    For search engines you need to

    1) write SEO optimized article with proper keyword research (Long tail keywords as well as related terms)

    2) get some quality in-text backlinks

    For attracting more prospective visitors to your site you need to

    1) write well researched and quality content article

    2) also don't neglect the power of resource box having strong call of action

    So ultimately you need these 3 things to get more visitors and more sales from any article your publish online:

    1) Proper keyword research

    2) SEO optimized and well researched article with good logical flow

    3) Quality in-text backlinks to your articles
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  • Profile picture of the author Aira Bongco
    I guess the problem lies in the overpopularity of EZA as a marketing medium. So many people are doing the same thing and they compete for the same chunk of traffic. This means that people will be getting less and less no matter how optimized their articles are. This does not mean that EZA is completely ineffective. It only means that it has degraded with time.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaqirHussyin
    i have just started on Ezines, lets see how it goes ;-)
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by ShaqirHussyin View Post

      i have just started on Ezines, lets see how it goes ;-)
      Good luck, Shaqir! (Can I call you 'Shaq'? Just thought I'd ask...lol)

      Let us know how it works out for you!

      Have you uploaded quite a few articles there, so far? What has your experience thus far been like?
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      • Profile picture of the author kingprosperity
        I actually started article marketing 4 months before... and just made 500 dollars in these 4 months...

        I am not getting one thing... There is not any problem for me to be on first page of google... its easy... but now in last two months my sales decreased... Its like now I am making only 1 book in 10 days...

        Though... I sold 25 pdf in 5 months... with almost 150 articles... is it good?? I want to know that... (From article marketing alone)

        but now... I am also not getting that what to do... results are decreasing... should I change the niche?

        and after how many months or days you should change the niche??? can anyone suggest me?
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        • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
          Originally Posted by kingprosperity View Post

          I actually started article marketing 4 months before... and just made 500 dollars in these 4 months...

          I am not getting one thing... There is not any problem for me to be on first page of google... its easy... but now in last two months my sales decreased... Its like now I am making only 1 book in 10 days...

          Though... I sold 25 pdf in 5 months... with almost 150 articles... is it good?? I want to know that... (From article marketing alone)

          but now... I am also not getting that what to do... results are decreasing... should I change the niche?

          and after how many months or days you should change the niche??? can anyone suggest me?
          Personally this is what I would do:

          1) You made money, pat yourself on the back
          2) now stop patting yourself, time to do it again.
          3) I hope you tried different resource boxes and types of article so you know what worked well
          4) Im hoping these were not time sensitive articles like what to buy for Christmas - if yes, then wait for christmas
          5) You made $500, invest $250 in getting another 100/150 articles written in a style you know already works (if you have been tracking you will have already seen it done)
          6) Drip feed them into EZA and hopefully make the money again

          If you outsource you are not wasting your time.
          By using only your profits you are helping to create even more profit without investing your own money.
          Simple, but strangely it can work.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattja
    It's the most popular article directory right now. Competition have been increased. You have to plan for your article marketing campaign to get the most visitors from EzineArticles now.
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  • Profile picture of the author timer
    This is certainly an interesting discussion. I use article marketing a lot and have got first page rankings quite quickly in low competition niches. In competetive niches such as credit cards it takes longer but one of mine is in the top 100 with 47,000,000 competing sites based purely on articles, manually submitted to eza and others over the last 6 months.

    So don't lose heart, keeep writinf quality content as cream floats to the top!
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticlePrince
    I think it's interesting, but I still think that people need to stop asking if things are dead and just out work their competition. I've ranked articles on dog training to position 3 using ezine articles, so it's not dead. Just drowning in garbage.
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  • Profile picture of the author Beachboard
    I don't know, but they are far more picky lately about what is approved.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rella
      EZA may not be what it once was, but it's far from dead. I believe the real question is, does it continue to work for us -- in our niches, on our campaigns. These days I'm finding, in my specific niches, that guest posting outperforms traditional article marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author kingprosperity
        It's not about article marketing only.

        I think that affiliate marketing going to die because as technology changing... one day will come that everyone will understand about affiliate marketing.

        People wont even give a penny as commission.

        I think... After almost 3 years... Affiliate marketing will die... as everyone will know about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rikki_Fawkes
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Yes indeed ... well they've recently changed a lot of editorial policies (long overdue, too) and they're now more actively trying to keep the garbage out, which is in everyone's long-term interests, of course.

        They do openly admit, on their blog, that it's going to take time, and that at the moment there's a lot of stuff in the database that wouldn't be close to qualifying for inclusion in it under the current guidelines/policies.

        But the "average quality", mercifully, is gradually improving. It'll take time.



        Fortunately, yes. And not before time.
        Unfortunately, in their attempt to weed out garbage, they've also gotten more picky on anchor text length and very miniscule content issues - I've gotten a few "guideline" correction emails I've thought were a little uncalled for considering other ones I've seen for recent submissions.
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          • Profile picture of the author Rikki_Fawkes
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            This is also true, but as long as your articles are 400+ words in length, which they strongly prefer, they allow longer anchor text (and in my experience, articles under 400 words are pretty unlikely to become widely re-published anyway).
            I pretty much try to submit content between 400-700 words anymore. 500 is pretty much the average for me, with some "top ten" ranging near 800. Too much for some people, I know, but as long as it doesn't take me too long to write it, I don't mind.
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          • Profile picture of the author TimG
            Originally Posted by matty-81 View Post

            I think there are two schools of thought here:

            1. Write short articles that leaver the reader hanging and assume they'll click to get more information.

            And

            2. Exceed the readers expectation and blow them away to the point that they just HAVE to see what else you have to say (ie-they click through to your blog, sales page, website, or squeeze).

            IMHO, I think School #2 is better. Any thoughts?
            I think both methods work equally well when used properly and depending on what niche you are targeting. That's where years of writing articles, testing and tweaking come into play.

            A badly written 800 word article will never out perform a high quality 400 word article, similarly a poorly created 400 word article will never beat a well crafted 800 word article.

            No matter the article length you have to envision yourself as a writer...and really immerse yourself in the content creating process.

            Tim