How to get my sister into IM

14 years ago

You can't make someone do something they aren't interested in. Everyone says, "oh ya, I want to make more money!" but if the barrier is knowledge then they should be motivated to acquire that knowledge.

Most community colleges have computer training courses/website building classes (non-credit) for incredibly cheap prices ($50). She should start there if there is really an interest but a lack of knowledge.

Certainly one does not have to be a tech whiz to work online, but they must have the basics unless they are flush with cash and can afford to pay too much for other people to do it.

If she really shows true drive and motivation you want to spend your time teaching her about marketing and not how to FTP a file.

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Freeman77

14 years ago

Originally Posted by LB

You can't make someone do something they aren't interested in. Everyone says, "oh ya, I want to make more money!" but if the barrier is knowledge then they should be motivated to acquire that knowledge.

Well, she's not interested in becoming a full-fledged marketer like me.

We're trying to brainstorm online services that may serve marketers. For example, a successful account-creation service. Or perhaps article upload service. Something that could make the equivalent of say, 15 bucks an hour that she could do from home...

I thought some successful Warriors might have suggestions...

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WebMarketeer

14 years ago

I would get her started with the basics, writing articles, submitting them to main directories with an affiliate link attached (you can show her this, its easy enough), just so she gets the feel of how things work. An with no $, there are boat loads of free sources to learn online. Also remember that a good portion IMers werent so tech savvy when they started, practice makes perfect. 30 day challenge is starting again on the 1st of July, have her follow that lesson, its free and very informative, they take you step by step through getting yourself up an running online with an optimized site. If she can use facebook, she can learn the IM basics.

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Freeman77

14 years ago

Originally Posted by WebMarketeer

I would get her started with the basics, writing articles, submitting them to main directories with an affiliate link attached (you can show her this, its easy enough), just so she gets the feel of how things work.

Great suggestion, and that would be good for a lot of people, but I think this situation is a little different...

She doesn't have any aspirations of becoming an affiliate marketer, CPA marketer, or making money through Adsense, etc.

I'll go through the Warriors for Hire section with her and talk about some of the options. Perhaps she can take orders to write ebooks, or something similar... Unlike me, she doesn't mind working for other people

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WebMarketeer 14 years ago

That's a good idea to. Or you can both go in on a joint venture and she can write an ebook of great jokes for stand up comics and you can market it.
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PaulBaranowski 14 years ago

Hey,

Here's an idea that worked for some people around me.
If your sister has a hobby or a passion for some activities,
i'd take that knowledge and try to think if it can be transformed into
an information product(video+text) and if there's a market of people searching for that kind of information(search google).And if both questions have a positive answer,then turn it into a Membership Website with a monthly fee of
say $29 for people to join. I recently helped a client of mine who's a bass guitar player to launch a video bass coaching membership site - he's already collecting new clients.
Can't know if it'll suit your sister - would be great if it will.

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Geoff101

14 years ago

Give her Guru Blueprint from Eben Pagan and leave her for few weeks. She will make more than you ever did.

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defaultuser

14 years ago

If you have a camera or mic sit down and start talking to her about things that she really loves. Begin recording and stop her after about 15 minutes. Play it back for her and she should realize she could write, talked, etc. about her passion.

Now you have her attention. Search for profitable keywords that could potentially pay her well through CPA etc.

At this point you have a small but solid foundation and she can choose to move forward or not. I've tried helping family and friends and they just don't seem to care/get it.

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Drover

14 years ago

Help her set up a tube site or social network site for comedians. Pretty easy with Wordpress + Buddypress and some other free plugins.

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Rose Anderson

14 years ago

Has she tried blogging about "stand-up comedy"? Since that's her real interest it might be easier for her to write about something she loves. Eventually she could try to sell an ebook from the blog about "Famous comics and how they found success". Or "How to Write your own Comedy Act". etc. etc.

It wouldn't be a quick way to make money, but it might be something she could start in her spare time and enjoy enough to continue.

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Tonio Smith

14 years ago

The thing that makes Internet marketers unique as they have a certain passion that drives them to be able to see especially after all of the failures you must go through in order to achieve success. not everyone's Internet marketer it sounds like your sister is a comic in you or the Internet marketer and the family. So my recommendation for you is to hire her within your business.

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Thinker1

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Freeman77

I'll make this brief: (edit: well, I tried

)

Me:

I make a very comfortable living online, mostly through CPA marketing. I sometimes outsource certain tasks, but I pretty much maintain my biz by myself and don't require an employee at this point.

My sister:

Has a boring job making $10/hour (which doesn't go very far in NYC!). I told her I'd brainstorm ways she can quit and make a decent income online (so she can continue to pursue her passion as a comic at night).

However...she can get a little overwhelmed with technical stuff. She has general office and organizational skills, and she's savvy enough to use Facebook and such, but she doesn't have any knowledge of HTML, WP, and things of that nature. She's also creative and has writing skills.

I'm trying to think of ways that she can transition into a relatively stable online work without any lag time. She doesn't have any financial security, so she can't just drop everything and hope for the best (and she doesn't like to take charity from me).

Any suggestions would be appreciated

tl;dr I need suggestions to give to my sister so she can seek online employment, despite her lack of tech skills.

It would have been much more effective if this same question was asked by your sister. You can't make her do stuff also she has to find out for herself what she is good at to make an income online. I feel your passion though having fiends and family members in the same boat but show no interest or passion to go through the learning curves. Just try to involve her in forums such as wso plus have her read blogs or other online success stories of just people like her. But trying to figure out everything for her won't really help her much. You will be wasting your time and she will be pressurized by your sincere help.
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Freeman77 14 years ago

Thank you for all the suggestions.

The stand-up comedy virtual product idea is great. I had actually been meaning to talk with her about that a long time ago. I'm not a newb in this department -- I started my IM journey by writing and selling ebooks, and I still see the steady sales years later, even though I no longer activley market them.

She's probably not even aware of this possibility, and I think helping her market the products would be fun.
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EarnBig

14 years ago

Freeman, and I thought you were an IM Genius..

Why not just set up a method/campaign for her "that she relates to", so that she starts receiving money. Once she sees the money coming into her own accounts she will probably be inspired if not motivated - it's then down to her to maintain and ramp the flow, with a little more guidance from you and other family/friends.

That's what I did with my friends and family a few years ago - some of them now earn more than me!

If that doesn't work then it's a Monty Python.. "And now for something completely different"!

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Vogin 14 years ago

Blogging about certain niche = having it as a hobby and understanding it...
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Freeman77 14 years ago

I appreciate really everyone chiming in.

Originally Posted by EarnBig

Freeman, and I thought you were an IM Genius..

Well, if my sister wanted to be a CPA or affiliate marketer, I would jump at the chance to share my knowledge. In fact, I wish at least one of my friends was interested in this, but they're not...

But again, she has no aspiration to do internet marketing long term, and it's not her desire to spend her time learning the ins-and-outs of IM.

What I'm trying to help her with is a job she can do for say, 4 hours a day, that would make her about 100/day. That's all she needs and wants. Even if it's a very repetitive task, like creating Gmail or Facebook accounts.

That's not really what I consider internet marketing. That's catering to internet marketers, like many of the people in the Warriors for Hire section.

PERSONALLY, I only care about passive income, but she's happy working for every dollar (sounds crazy, I know) as she works on her "real" career at night. I know that if I try to change her mindset she'll feel overwhelmed.
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LB

14 years ago

What I'm trying to help her with is a job she can do for say, 4 hours a day, that would make her about 100/day. That's all she needs and wants. Even if it's a very repetitive task, like creating Gmail or Facebook accounts.

If you find it, you could probably post a WSO here and sell it to the hundreds if not thousands of desperate members of this board who are yearning to make their first cent online.

The question you are asking sounds simple, but for most people here it's completely out of their reach. Not to mention doing it second-hand for someone else.

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Freeman77

14 years ago

Originally Posted by LB

If you find it, you could probably post a WSO here and sell it to the hundreds if not thousands of desperate members of this board who are yearning to make their first cent online.

The question you are asking sounds simple, but for most people here it's completely out of their reach. Not to mention doing it second-hand for someone else.

Hey, if anyone is reading this and struggling to make you first cent online, here's a free WSO for you:

Go to eHow and start writing. You will absolutely make $ today (I still get $50+ in Paypal each month from writing I did with them back in the day).

Then apply to Demand Media and make more money. (I'm not sure if it's difficult to get approved - I was automatically approved because of my eHow account, though I don't write for Demand Media because it's not worth my time

).

Then use that money to pursue your IM education and set-up passive streams of income so you don't have to write so much just to pay the bills.

(I've bought WSO's that contained a lot less usable info than what I wrote above!)

But back to the original subject, again, thanks for all the suggestions. I'm going to talk with her about whether she'd like to write up a "how to be a stand-up comedian" product.

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numba8

14 years ago

Well, if you've had success than you know that the barrier of entry is very high. There is a lot of trial and error before there can be success. If she is serious about it, then she will have to be patient.

I'd recommend PPC to start. A lot of people start on social media, but I started with local PPC and it sort of taught me the necessary skills I needed to become an affiliate marketer.

I'm not sure if she'll want to do local PPC, but since you have experience maybe you can help her jump right into affiliate marketing. The hardest part is finding reliable contacts for landers, content etc. You can mentor her through the optimization process too.

Good luck!

There's also tons of free information out there. Tell her to get on the forums, read blogs etc. I started by readin Jonathon Volk's blog at JonathonVolk.com.

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Melanie Crouse

14 years ago

If she's a good writer she can make pretty decent money doing freelance writing. Whenever I bump my writing ad in Warriors for Hire, I normally get enough orders in two days to last me two or three weeks at least. And they keep trickling in for a few days beyond that. She'll make back the $20 it costs her to post an ad in an hour or two.

Tell her (or you) to PM me if she has any questions. There's lots of work to go around!

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Freeman77

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Melanie Crouse

If she's a good writer she can make pretty decent money doing freelance writing. Whenever I bump my writing ad in Warriors for Hire, I normally get enough orders in two days to last me two or three weeks at least. And they keep trickling in for a few days beyond that. She'll make back the $20 it costs her to post an ad in an hour or two.

Tell her (or you) to PM me if she has any questions. There's lots of work to go around!

Thank you so much for the suggestion Melanie -- I will send her this info!

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ChrisBa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Freeman77

I'll make this brief: (edit: well, I tried

)

Me:

I make a very comfortable living online, mostly through CPA marketing. I sometimes outsource certain tasks, but I pretty much maintain my biz by myself and don't require an employee at this point.

My sister:

Has a boring job making $10/hour (which doesn't go very far in NYC!). I told her I'd brainstorm ways she can quit and make a decent income online (so she can continue to pursue her passion as a comic at night).

However...she can get a little overwhelmed with technical stuff. She has general office and organizational skills, and she's savvy enough to use Facebook and such, but she doesn't have any knowledge of HTML, WP, and things of that nature. She's also creative and has writing skills.

I'm trying to think of ways that she can transition into a relatively stable online work without any lag time. She doesn't have any financial security, so she can't just drop everything and hope for the best (and she doesn't like to take charity from me).

Any suggestions would be appreciated

tl;dr I need suggestions to give to my sister so she can seek online employment, despite her lack of tech skills.

First off, is she interested at all? If so, why not start by getting her to do some of your outsourced tasks?

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Tsnyder

14 years ago

Freeman...

The problem I see is that you're trying to find
something for someone who isn't trying to find it
for themselves.

You seem to be the one with desire... not her.
I don't see how that's going to work.

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