Do You Think Internet Marketers Are Honest With You?

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Now is the time to stand up and admit the truth. Most marketers will not admit they are failing - but Warriors don't care because we all fail from time to time.

*Do you have ZERO monthly sales?
*Are your monthly sales decreasing?
*Are your monthly sales actually increasing?

I'll go first. We have 8 different businesses in different niches. Getting sales is becoming tougher and tougher. Our monthly sales are decreasing even after we added more marketing efforts. We know ALL the tricks believe me.

Your Turn . . ..
#honest #internet #marketers #sales
  • Profile picture of the author DaveWilliamsSr
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Most people don't like to admit failure, and even more so when you are in this enviroment, where members can check to see what you said in previous posts. There are people passing themselves off as IM Gurus, how are they going to sell their products, ebooks etc. when they have publicly admitted that they are failing.

      There are people making a living and some a good living from IM and related services, but allot of it is smoke and mirrors.
      Fake screenshots of clickbank sales, fake testimonials, products promoted by people who have never used them, bogus reports and the list goes on...

      I would say, learn what you can, implement the advice/tips/methods that seem viable to you and test,test,test. That's the best way to discover what works for you.

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  • Profile picture of the author tecHead
    I don't know but, when you concentrate on the negative... that's what seems to stand out in your life & business. When you concentrate on the positive.. well, that's what seems to be more prominent in your life.

    Not saying be some wishy-washy hippy type flower child who thinks everything is peachy keen... be aware of the negative.. put it in its place... and FOCUS on the positive.

    You get back what you put in.

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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewNeer
    Most people are simply scared of failure, scared of the unknown. But what most fail to realize is that failure actually the best teacher out there.

    There is no better way to learn Internet Marketing than to go out there and fail at it a bunch of times. Eventually (if you never give up) you WILL get to where you want to be. Always focus on increasing your education and equipping yourself with the best tools in the market place.

    Oh, and don't forget to keep it real. People like other real people online, it's crazy with all the make money now schemes out there how much transparency can make the difference in getting that next sale.

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  • Profile picture of the author jbode
    You actually stand out and gain a lot of credibility when you are honest... if you have a following, such as a list.

    I know most marketers are not totally honest... most people won't admit faults that's the way it is, I know a bunch of marketers with IM email list yet only a few of them even mentioned the fact that sales are down due to increased launches and more list owners & coincidental those that did have loyal followings
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingSPY
    Wow - I'm trying not to judge. However, the marketers who are leaving responses have great advice.........but have you noticed anything? Not ONE of them so far will be honest and tell the forum if they have ZERO sales, increasing sales or decreasing sales. They all have conveniently doged the question and left that part out of their reply.

    Happy Trails.
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  • Profile picture of the author Online Bliss
    Wow - I'm trying not to judge. However, the marketers who are leaving responses have great advice.........but have you noticed anything? Not ONE of them so far will be honest and tell the forum if they have ZERO sales, increasing sales or decreasing sales. They all have conveniently doged the question and left that part out of their reply.
    Not everyone.
    I have posted many times how my income was inconsistent
    and that I do not believe in a set it up once and leave it
    type system.
    My business cannot be left alone for even a short amount of time.
    I can blame changes in eBay, Google etc. but it depends on how hard I work it.
    One needs to finally join the War Room Forum and keep seeking professional
    advice. I woke up one day and said to myself "this is a business damnit"!

    Yes my business swings like a pendulum many times but things are better ever since I decided to get serious.
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  • Profile picture of the author ozduc
    Originally Posted by MarketingSPY View Post

    Our monthly sales are decreasing even after we added more marketing efforts. We know ALL the tricks believe me.
    Maybe that could be part of the problem. You think you know all the tricks.
    As with most things in life, once you stop learning, things tend to get stale and plateau. Unless you learn something new or try something different there is only one way off the plateau.
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    Originally Posted by MarketingSPY View Post

    Now is the time to stand up and admit the truth. Most marketers will not admit they are failing - but Warriors don't care because we all fail from time to time.

    *Do you have ZERO monthly sales?
    *Are your monthly sales decreasing?
    *Are your monthly sales actually increasing?

    I'll go first. We have 8 different businesses in different niches. Getting sales is becoming tougher and tougher. Our monthly sales are decreasing even after we added more marketing efforts. We know ALL the tricks believe me.

    Your Turn . . ..
    Yes I have a site whose sales have dropped 75% in the last few months, and I am trying hard to rectify that - done split testing, extra marketing, reports and a load of other stuff and it's not making much difference. So I have decided to let it be and work on a new project.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
    Originally Posted by MarketingSPY View Post

    Now is the time to stand up and admit the truth. Most marketers will not admit they are failing - but Warriors don't care because we all fail from time to time.

    *Do you have ZERO monthly sales?
    *Are your monthly sales decreasing?
    *Are your monthly sales actually increasing?

    I'll go first. We have 8 different businesses in different niches. Getting sales is becoming tougher and tougher. Our monthly sales are decreasing even after we added more marketing efforts. We know ALL the tricks believe me.

    Your Turn . . ..
    I did not read the replies and I dont know what country you are from, but in the US and many parts of the world, the economy sucks. People have less credit and more people than you can imagine dont have jobs. If you have much less disposable income, then the basics of life become most important (food, shelter, etc).

    Therefore, the entire country has seen income drop and many parts of the world. If you can make it through this time, you'll be GRAND in the future beyond your dreams. I was at a small event where Tony Robbins stood up and asked who in the room were feeling the pain from the economy.

    The room was full of top marketers and top PD celebrities (Brian Tracy, Les Brown, people from the secret, Robert Allen, etc etc) and very few people raised their hands. Everyone acted like the economy was not effecting them. Want to know what Tony said to that? He said, "Bulls%$#!"

    Make sure your offers and everything you do is top notched... and believeable.

    Eric
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  • Profile picture of the author tyroneshum
    I have admitted my failures a couple of times during my interviews and also some of my blog posts and chapters in newsletters since for me, it's better to look at where you started and then have it reflected over the successes that's experienced in the present time. Honestly, my list have increased when I got more interviews about my life, how I started outsourcing and what my experiences are.

    Honesty points out to more advantages after all. But, you don't have to think negatively when you try to recall them -- you just have to admit you've learnt a lot from these failures and thus, you've considered them as challenges worth learning for.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Stirling
    To be honest, I've been earning more this year!

    I've been making more sales, growing my list at a faster rate, and
    I've been able to hire a part-time VA to work with me from the beginning
    of this month.

    I wouldn't say I've been working harder than before, but working smarter.
    I hope this trend keeps up for me!

    Unfortunately, like the OP said, there are quite a few who are feeling the
    affects of the bad economy. I guess this is the time when you've got to
    'hang in there' and look at some other options to market.

    Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeevee
    Internet Marketeers are skilled at selling a dream. A well written sales copy will excite you to buy, and the content you receive will inspire you to push on and do something.

    So long as you use it as a starting point, rather than a blueprint to instant riches, then you won’t be let down.

    If the “killer systems” all made their creators so much money they would focus using their own system, not on selling it.
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  • Profile picture of the author RaquelleMVP
    I think the ones who spend an insane amount of time selling, "How to get rich in Internet Marketing" Books are the ones I don't always trust
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  • Profile picture of the author davewebsmith
    i have often wondered about "how" much money these guru's really make ... and how much is out there and the bs that takes place behind the scenes ...

    i was introduced to IM by a friend 3 year ago ... i have been running an experiment for about 2.5 years now

    i setup a gmail account and whenever and wherever i see an optin form or free report or any subscription request - i sign up

    i have 156034 emails in this box - an i see trends and alot of them

    Eg) a product will be advertised by one IM "Guru" and within 2 hours i have exactly the same email from multiple "Guru's" with the same letter and same heading and of course different affiliate link

    i have also notice how conventiently paypal and clickbank screenshots are used, perhaps whats most interesing is the convenient way that info is removed / blacked out due to T&C of the respective payment provider ...

    just a simple google search and i can find

    paypal public display proof payment - Google Search

    clickbank public display proof payment - Google Search=

    food for thought ... maybe all is not as it seems ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Bob B
    I'm with tecHead. People come here for advice... but also inspiration. They want to learn how to succeed.

    What's the point of passing on news that drags everyone down?

    Some parts of my business have suffered - some have done well. When people are struggling, they will still buy something that helps them with the struggle.

    Diversification is the key.

    Any business based on a single sector is open to the trends of that sector. I'm not advocating jumping from one thing to the next but it's the old "all your eggs in one basket" syndrome. Get into a variety of markets and you stand a good chance of ironing out the highs and lows.

    Always be open to new ideas. NOBODY knows ALL the tricks.
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  • Profile picture of the author helisell
    I'll forgive MarketingSpy for saying....'we know all the tricks' because
    a confidence in ones own ability like that can only happen is you have
    invested a lot of of time, $$, focus,....and I'm sure that you continue
    to seek methods, skills etc.

    The thing is we are doing ok. What I mean is we are not down...we are up a little bit on last year (which was a pretty good year anyway) and I know 'quite a few' tricks too (I'm deliberately understating here ;0))

    But d'ya know what the best trick I've learned is????

    Give the customers an outstanding and spectacular result.

    I want their reaction to their purchase to be f&*^£$g h£&l wow! wow! wow!

    We don't manage that all the time but that is what our daily focus is.

    In these hard times I'm afraid that 'ordinary' or even 'pretty good' is nowhere near good enough. If your product doesn't make the buyers gasp.....then it ain't good enough.

    Affiliate marketer?

    Build some great value into whatever you are promoting to make it even better for the buyer. Then you'll see better results.
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    • Profile picture of the author hjaynes
      I guess it also depends on what your expectations are. I see these "get rich in internet marketing" posts and I wonder how they define rich. My normal business is financing businesses. In my personal circle I know many people that earn $250K - 500K per year and I know many people that earn in excess of a million dollars a year. THEY don't consider that rich nor ARE they rich.

      I could be speaking out of line, but I highly doubt there are tons of internet marketers earning in excess of a million a year. There might be worldwide but since there are billions of people on the planet, there SHOULD be. I hope I'm wrong.

      This is also compounded by the fact that so many more people are getting into internet marketing to try and get their share of the pie, diluting in a sense the opportunity. There is no such thing as unlimited potential. Everything has a limit.

      I keep my expectations real so my disappointments are few. I really love doing this too.
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      • Profile picture of the author rts2271
        Well not 0 dollar days yet but were seeing about 30% down across the board over the last 2 years. The IM Gurus are getting hit much much worse as their lifestyles demand the previous income levels.

        Thats why I focus on Internet Marketing and not being a Internet Marketer. To me it's a tool. I'm a IT guy who sells picks and shovels who must use Internet Marketing to reach a larger cross section. I have real products, real price points, real margins and real expectations. It's also why your seeing so many "guru" types retire, quit or the ever favorite "I'm leaving IM to focus on offline" like it's some new found oasis.

        Were sitting on the edge of a paradigm shift both economically, politically and in the business mindset. Until these issues resolve themselves cashflow will remain tepid. The good news is once the first two items start to resolve the business mindset seems now to understand it must embrace the internet and as such when the market fears subside the credit cards will come out.

        On a side note semi-related to this. Do you think the credit card industry has done as much to damage internet sales as the economy by their horrible way of interacting with both customer and merchants? If people are not using their CC's or simply cutting them up or storing them away perhaps a new secure way for purchasing online (First one who suggest paypal gets hit over the head, burried in a ditch and the ditch shot into space) needs to be found. Just a though this was a debate proposed by my old economics professor.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeena
    It's a questions of credibility . . . I will say it depends on what kind person or internet marketers you deal with. . . Internet Marketer that has a quality product, good name in internet marketing world an never fail to a product presented, I would say is a trustwothy people. . .
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Failure is part of the business, however if someone is having constant failure, maybe it's time to look at the source and find out why
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    It seems like many of you are avoiding the question and
    reflecting on what the OP said, rather than the question
    he's asking. The question wasn't about judging him and
    how he feels about his ability as a marketer (giving him
    advice he never asked for) or giving wisdom about why
    YOU think people don't reveal their failures.

    This thread is about YOU.

    Here' is is once again in case many of you missed it:

    *Do you have ZERO monthly sales?
    *Are your monthly sales decreasing?
    *Are your monthly sales actually increasing?

    Just seems like MOST of you are making the question
    more complicated than it seems. Anyways, I'll answer:

    Do you have zero monthly sales? No? I don't really
    no how to answer this question...kinda funny to answer.

    "Yes. I have ZERO monthly sales. Lol".

    So, I think the right answer is "No". I have POSITIVE
    monthly sales across the board.

    *Are your monthly sales decreasing? Not by a long
    shot. It grows exponentially. I don't know what all the
    fuss is about the economy and it affecting people. I'm
    confused because, it doesn't affect me -- at all.

    Sales are going up BECAUSE I market, sell, and promote.

    It's foolish to stop promoting because sales are going
    down. In many cases, that's the reason WHY sales are
    down. Not because of the economy. People are going to
    spend money regardless, but that's just my opinion.

    *Are your monthly sales actually increasing? Yes.
    I should be keeping better track of my finances, but I
    know from last checking that it's going up pretty fast.

    It's going to explode in the next 2 weeks and, I know
    this for a fact with my offline marketing projects.

    However, I won't lie and say I'm already where I want
    to be...although, I've been told many times that people
    wish they were where I am. And, at one time I remember
    wishing I was where I am now...

    funny how that works.

    P.S. I guess I should add that I'm far from perfection. 3
    weeks ago I had a failed direct mail campaign I was a
    little pissed about for 2 days straight. Went on a binge
    of ice cream and...came back 3 days after ready to go
    at it again.

    Only this time, I know what I did wrong and what to do
    this time around. Mistakes I could have avoided, I made
    anyway and learned from them...but in no way did it
    cross my mind to give it up because of failure.
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  • Profile picture of the author scottmanesis
    Some of my affiliate sales have dropped while others have risen. I also do Network Marketing as well and the affiliate sales of the tools to those who do network marketing are up quite significantly this year and so is recruitment. I am not sure if it is that people are looking more and more to earn additional income from home or if I am just becoming that much better of a marketer.

    I seem to be doing well on the months I put the most effort in, when I slack so do sales, so for me it's still I get what I put in. *shrugs*
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeevee
    Internet marketers are selling a dream and a method. Its up to the individual to adapt that method, make it unique and then scale it.

    Copying a blueprint word for word is a fine way of learning, but only by innovating can you make real money from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    tecHead, I like your take.

    I am an opportunity not failure guy. By focusing on each opportunity you extract the benefit and profit from it quickly instead of getting caught up on the "F" word.

    As for honesty it's the same as in any walk of life. Some people will lie, others will tell the truth. No different than with IM.

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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by MarketingSPY View Post

    Now is the time to stand up and admit the truth. Most marketers will not admit they are failing - but Warriors don't care because we all fail from time to time.

    *Do you have ZERO monthly sales?
    *Are your monthly sales decreasing?
    *Are your monthly sales actually increasing?

    ...

    Your Turn . . ..
    First, the smartass answer...

    I'm not currently promoting any continuity products, so I can say truthfully that I ZERO monthly sales. Which means those monthly sales are neither increasing nor decreasing.

    Now that I have that out of my system...

    I have sites that have failed. The bursting of the real estate bubble pretty much wiped out one of my sites. I have other sites, or rather I had other sites, that tanked for a variety of reasons. I don't count those as failures, just things I tried that either didn't work or stopped working. I move on.

    Show me a warrior with no battle scars, and I'll show you a warrior who won't go into battle...
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  • Profile picture of the author Lorren
    I believe that some marketers are lying. Not every one, I personally believe in honesty. I haven't used all the products I promote, but I won't say that I've used it if I haven't.

    As far as sales go: I've never sold a Clickbank product to date. I had the best sales ever on Zazzle due to one product that I had that is a father's day product. I need to make a matching mother's day product for next year. It was better than my December sales. I also found one niche for selling books that is pretty hot, I sold a lot last month.

    I am ever-learning; summer is my big time for promotion, as I homeschool the rest of the year, which reduces the time I can work.

    I don't make much yet; that I will admit. I think that I've broken the $75/month mark, and I'm shooting for making $100/month. That may not be much, but my view is, as long as it's increasing, then I'm on the right track. My goal is to increase the rate at which my business grows by working smarter.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    I don't know about yall but my business has been expanding.

    Last month I broke all of my previous records and generated over 4k in a month.

    Now, I do admit however that I created a site and it was a total flop but why should I have to worry about it. I make more money than last month so it doesn't matter if I failed with one website.
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