Why Not to Have A Squeeze Page in Front!

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Here's some food for thought.

This is how most people typically do it...


This is how it can be made better...


UPDATE

Awesome debate here about the concept I have proposed... With a few sources of knowledge as usual of course

Here's the third video that I have created as a reply to some of the questions and doubts posted below ...



I hope this helps. But keep the discussion going guys. I know its hard to come to a conclusion when there are no numbers to back your concepts with, but I am doing tests on a small scale and I will be back in a couple of months... Maybe with a new info product if I see affirmations from all directions, who knows? But the only person that can tell for your business in the mean time is yourself and your test results (if they are persons somehow, anyhow)

-Lakshay
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  • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
    In his e-book, Rebirth of Internet Marketing, John Reese says a similar thing.

    Its available for free from his income.com blog, so you can get it from there if you haven't read it yet.

    Its an excellent eye opener for most.

    -Lakshay
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    The other day I re-listened to an mp3 I had downloaded some time ago from Armand Morin.

    That is exactly how he says he does it. Squeezpage optin for info and immediately take viewsr to the salespage.

    :-Don
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Your right.

    If more money can be made then do it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Asher
    Excellent information Lakshay!

    Fabian Tan had an earlier thread that talked about this but no one
    paid any attention to him. He talked about this strategy openly but
    no one seemed to recognize the full potential of it.

    When I read that thread, I was like "Hey, that sounds like a better
    idea" and wanted to try it out.

    Your video reinforced the idea so, thanks a lot Lakshay! Well done.

    Question: What do you do with the people who signed into the optin
    via the exit pop up? I still don't have any experience with it and
    I'd like your opinion on it ;D

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  • Profile picture of the author ragnartm
    I know a few people who have had more success with it this way, Soren Jordansen for example did the squeeze page up front for his ebook. He was convinced that he made a significantly larger amount of money from the OTOs and upgrade offers inside the site, and adding all those people to his list than by selling the ebook.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
    I've been doing the 'typical' squeeze page, but this has got me thinking of some new approaches to try.. thanks for sharing your ideas
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  • Profile picture of the author wealthy
    Great information, i am going to try this on a new campaign of mine. Right now i have been using the old way, but i am always looking for great ideas.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
    it seems a few people might be confused (?), and are thinking he's saying use the squeeze page up front.. he's suggesting the opposite - only squeeze the people who were going to bounce.
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      • Profile picture of the author dv8
        Originally Posted by jj88 View Post


        By the way, I know this may not concern this topic: - Anyone know which tool to write on a live webpage like holding a pen (something like Layshaybhel just did, if he don't mind tell), and which tool to create an opaque screen to hide my personal info if I want to make a video recording for sharing with others?

        Vijay - It it not MS Paint. I tried but could not write on a live webpage while I browse or scroll.
        It's Camtasia. You can write on the screen like that using Camtasia.
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
          Originally Posted by dv8 View Post

          It's Camtasia. You can write on the screen like that using Camtasia.
          You can use that writing with your mouse, but to try and write with your mouse and it will look like chicken scratch that's why you use a screen pad and pen.

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          • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
            Originally Posted by jj88 View Post

            Nice video.

            I would to know how to get the tools/software, to do the drawing on screen and to shade my list's emails like most marketers do like you in video here.

            Anyone can tell me where to get free tools?
            Tks.
            I am Just using Camtasia... When you are recording the screen, press CTRL + SHIFT + D

            And the annotation tool comes up. You can do the writing with the mouse itself but it would be very hard if not impossible. But you would need a pen tablet that doubles up as a mouse (most do), and here's what I use...

            eBay India: iBall A4 Size Takenote Tablet A414/Digitizer @4%VAT (item 320312300916 end time 27-Oct-2008 21:11:40 IST)

            Originally Posted by Vijay M View Post

            I think the above video used MS Paint and camtasia.
            I just used a plain windows background of solid yellowish color and recordrd it there.


            Originally Posted by Asher View Post

            Excellent information Lakshay!

            Fabian Tan had an earlier thread that talked about this but no one
            paid any attention to him. He talked about this strategy openly but
            no one seemed to recognize the full potential of it.

            When I read that thread, I was like "Hey, that sounds like a better
            idea" and wanted to try it out.

            Your video reinforced the idea so, thanks a lot Lakshay! Well done.

            Question: What do you do with the people who signed into the optin
            via the exit pop up? I still don't have any experience with it and
            I'd like your opinion on it ;D

            Asher
            You do with those people exactly what you do with the people on the list you build up. Follow up with them, give them free knowledge of top quality. Send them to affiliate offers. And make MONEY.

            Originally Posted by ragnartm View Post

            I know a few people who have had more success with it this way, Soren Jordansen for example did the squeeze page up front for his ebook. He was convinced that he made a significantly larger amount of money from the OTOs and upgrade offers inside the site, and adding all those people to his list than by selling the ebook.
            Originally Posted by BJ Min View Post

            INTERESTING!

            In the EXIT POPUP, should you offer a SALES DISCOUNT?

            OR tell them to sign in to your LIST?
            Watch out for the third video in this series that is coming out in another half an hour or so. You will get all your questions resolved in there.

            Originally Posted by jj88 View Post

            Hey guys,

            The videos are very nicely done and clear. But with squeeze page as exit pop-out, on second thought there are 2 things need to consider:
            1) You turn off a visitor's short attention span with a long sales letter
            ==> Lose his email at the front end
            2) Exit pop-out optin
            => By then he will really wants to get out even if you were to give him a freebies ==> Lose his email again

            As a online buyer myself, I hate those exit pop-out if all I want is to get out.

            Anyway, need to test the effectiveness of this "reverse funnel" method. I believe it is not new and is already used by many.

            By the way, I know this may not concern this topic: - Anyone know which tool to write on a live webpage like holding a pen (something like Layshaybhel just did, if he don't mind tell), and which tool to create an opaque screen to hide my personal info if I want to make a video recording for sharing with others?

            Vijay - It it not MS Paint. I tried but could not write on a live webpage while I browse or scroll.
            Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

            It is a cool move...

            I know it can apply anywhere, but we used this intensively in the diet niche on a product... sales page conversions increased 6% with only a buy button AND the bouncing visitors kept our opt-ins at the same level...

            Fantastic move.... well done for raising it Lakshay.. and top marks for providing a vid for folks...

            Peace

            Jay
            Thanks Jay! I'm glad you liked it!


            Originally Posted by oortcloud View Post

            Squeeze pages have a much higher optin because you are dangling the carrot when you have their attention. You are not losing the 50% on the front end as they were never going to buy in the first place.
            jj88 is correct, when the customer is ready to leave and goes for the back button, he has already mentally left. I know, because I use an exit popup and the optin is much lower than a squeeze page.

            We could argue and debate the logic of this thing forever, but what would be better is just to split test the two funnels. Until he has some solid data on split testing this traffic through 2 different funnels, I would not buy into this. It is test worthy but not so golden you should just switch to this funnel blindly.
            Originally Posted by BlogBrowser View Post

            Sorry, but there is NO way an exit pop up window will convert ANYWHERE near as well as a squeeze page.

            When you land to a website you're eager to discover what's there (that's why you clicked on the previous link, right). In the other hand, when you click away from a website it means you're no longer interested on its contents (that's why you leave, right?). So, common sense says that conversions won't be equal.

            Squeeze pages with a TOP video on it still works best in my opinion.
            Look out for the third video I am creating... I'll come back with an answer to that.

            Originally Posted by Frank Bruno View Post

            You can use that writing with your mouse, but to try and write with your mouse and it will look like chicken scratch that's why you use a screen pad and pen.

            Frank Bruno
            Exactly Frank! You are right (Obviously , right?).
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  • Profile picture of the author BJ Min
    INTERESTING!

    In the EXIT POPUP, should you offer a SALES DISCOUNT?

    OR tell them to sign in to your LIST?
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    It is a cool move...

    I know it can apply anywhere, but we used this intensively in the diet niche on a product... sales page conversions increased 6% with only a buy button AND the bouncing visitors kept our opt-ins at the same level...

    Fantastic move.... well done for raising it Lakshay.. and top marks for providing a vid for folks...

    Peace

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  • Profile picture of the author oortcloud
    Squeeze pages have a much higher optin because you are dangling the carrot when you have their attention. You are not losing the 50% on the front end as they were never going to buy in the first place.
    jj88 is correct, when the customer is ready to leave and goes for the back button, he has already mentally left. I know, because I use an exit popup and the optin is much lower than a squeeze page.

    We could argue and debate the logic of this thing forever, but what would be better is just to split test the two funnels. Until he has some solid data on split testing this traffic through 2 different funnels, I would not buy into this. It is test worthy but not so golden you should just switch to this funnel blindly.
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    • Profile picture of the author dhudiburg
      Originally Posted by oortcloud View Post

      We could argue and debate the logic of this thing forever, but what would be better is just to split test the two funnels. Until he has some solid data on split testing this traffic through 2 different funnels, I would not buy into this. It is test worthy but not so golden you should just switch to this funnel blindly.
      Yep. Gotta test. Theory is theory, data is real.

      I think the numbers are off a bit, though. 100 sales in video A is less than 3%. And he is assuming 3% on the front-end sales letter in Video B. You are flat out guaranteed to have a much higher conversion % *after* the squeeze page than you are before it.

      Again, the only real numbers are tested numbers.

      BTW I think he is using a Wacom tablet or something for the video, that's what intrigued me the most. I do a lot of flowcharting in videos, but mine take so damn long to create. I'd love to have a tool like that. Very cool!

      Come on lakshaybehl, give it up man. We want to know your secret pen tactics :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      Originally Posted by BlogBrowser View Post

      When you land to a website you're eager to discover what's there (that's why you clicked on the previous link, right). In the other hand, when you click away from a website it means you're no longer interested on its contents (that's why you leave, right?). So, common sense says that conversions won't be equal.
      Actually you might still be interested in the information offered...you're just not ready to pay for it yet.

      But your perceived value of that information is likely to have INCREASED because you couldn't get it free.

      I think this is the biggest key..what is the quality of the list you're building.

      First your list of buyers is higher quality than a list of free subscribers.

      Second a list of free subscribers who come from the exit page of a sales page is likely to be higher value than the same number of subscribers who come from a squeeze page which initially offers information free.

      The psychological process is different.

      Instead of being offered free information from the start then being jammed with a sales page after opting in for the free information...

      You get offered a paid product from the start then if you turn that down you're offered a free sample of that information.

      This is a much more natural common sense sales process.

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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Hey Lakshay...

    First... let me say that I don't think I'm smarter than John Reese... LOL

    But... I've never used a front end squeeze page. Intuitively, it never
    made sense to me. I know that building a list is important but I think
    when you put a sales letter on the internet for the specific purpose of
    selling a product or service you need to decide what's more important to
    you... building a list or making sales.

    There are many people who would buy if they read your sales letter who
    are unwilling to give up their contact info for the privilege of reading your
    pitch. I happen to be one of those people so it never made sense to me.

    I think your method is right on the mark. You will make more sales
    by exposing more people to your sales message. The exit pop will build
    your list... perhaps not as rapidly but it will be a better list.

    If your main goal is to build a list put up a page designed to do that.
    Then... market to those people by directing them to your sales pages.

    Excellent post... thanks for the videos.

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  • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
    Here's the third video I have posted for all the doubts that have come up and the questions that have been raised... I appreciate all of that.


    -Lakshay

    P.S. Any more logic about why this can NOT work? Well, post it below and share it with us, the uninformed creatured...

    -Lakshay
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    • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
      Originally Posted by lakshaybehl View Post

      P.S. Any more logic about why this can NOT work? Well, post it below and share it with us, the uninformed creatured...
      LOL...LOL>..LOL....LMAO...

      Rock on dude

      Peace

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      • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
        Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

        LOL...LOL>..LOL....LMAO...

        Rock on dude

        Peace

        Jay
        Jay I was wondering whatever happened to the failure cookie mission? You ate the cookie? World domination seems to be far, LOL.

        -Lakshay
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        • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
          Originally Posted by lakshaybehl View Post

          Jay I was wondering whatever happened to the failure cookie mission? You ate the cookie? World domination seems to be far, LOL.

          -Lakshay
          I've gone underground in my quest for world domination... you'll know when it happens


          Peace

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          p.s. Truth is I ate the cookie on a saturday when I was hungry
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          • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
            Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

            I've gone underground in my quest for world domination... you'll know when it happens


            Peace

            Jay

            p.s. Truth is I ate the cookie on a saturday when I was hungry
            Ahh!

            I see. So you Want to make sure no one comes to know about that. And I am thinking I succeeded in my secret mission to destroy your missioon of World Domination. I was just sending you a bag of cookies.

            -Lakshay
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  • Profile picture of the author J. Barry Mandel
    You guys are not making the case correctly for using a squeeze page.

    So it seems like this whole discussion has been approached wrong to some extent...

    A squeeze page will capture your visitors information (of course).

    Why?

    To follow up with them on their visit to your sales letter to...guess what?

    Follow up to make MORE sales.

    An autoresponder series from what I have read of just 3 emails will help you recover significant sales from those that never bought from you from what I have read.

    WITHOUT the squeeze page and their addresses and with just a sales letter with no exit pop-up you will theoretically have less sales than otherwise.
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    • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
      Originally Posted by Justin Mandel View Post

      WITHOUT the squeeze page and their addresses and with just a sales letter with no exit pop-up you will theoretically have less sales than otherwise.

      But I am suggesting you use an exit pop up. Many people are putting up concepts about what prospects are thinking and why the conversions will be pretty low with exit pop-ups. But I know from some experience the difference is not too much.

      The other thing is that you will have a hard time sending cheap PPC traffic to your Squeeze page which ideally will not have a lot of textual content. On the contrary, the sales page will have a lot more text and hence you will able to send so much traffic from PPC very very cheap that you will not know what to do with. And it will convert into sales, upsell sales and opt ins.

      I guess its up to you whether you want to test it or not, but I recommend you test and optimize for a couple of weeks and see the results for yourself. And for testing you won't need more than 200-300 visitors a day. If someone doesn't even have that much traffic going to their sites, I reckon they hasve not even begun their IM career.

      -Lakshay
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexKaplo
    Very informative!,

    I've actually never heard about this debate I must of been sleeping under a rock or something. I really think your technique could double sales, but I will have to test this out for myself! Thanks again for sharing :-)!

    Regards,

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  • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
    Alex!

    That is what I have been saying all through.

    Instead of simply thinking why it won't work or can't work, you simply get on and test it. Then if you are satisfied with the results, use the approach, otherwise bin that.

    For me, a list of 1000 buyers plus 5000 interested prospects is more valuable than a list of 10000 probably-interested-in-my-offer freebie seekers/ tire kickers/ opportunity seekres and 500 buyers.

    Because I know these are the people willing to whip the CC and snd me the money. The $1 sales and $7 100% commissions are done to build lists of customers and not freebie seekers or tire kickers. We do want more people that might nuy from us and the people signing up into the exit pop up know who we are, what we are selling ands even then they sign up. Who's the winner?

    -Lakshay
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      In your first example:

      Squeeze Page>Sales Page>Upsell

      You say 50-70% on average of people will buy and upsell priced at 50% of the original offer.

      It's usually more accurate to calculate what to expect based on a percentage of the original price you sell at.

      So for the upsell after your sales letter you could expect to make on average 35% to 50% of the price of your original product by upselling.

      2 examples:

      If you upsell a $10 product after selling a $20 product you'd expect to make on average $7 to $10 from each customer who buys that original product just by offering an upsell (35% to 50% of $20).


      If you upsell a $100 product after selling a $50 product you'd also expect to make on average $17.50 to $25 from each customer who buys that original product just by making an upsell.

      If you upsell a $20 product after selling a $50 product you'd also expect to make on average $17.50 to $25 from each customer who buys that original product just by making an upsell.

      It can vary but the amount you'll make in total sales is likely to be similar even though the price of your upsell is different.

      Higher prices tend to lower conversions but also increase the amount of dollars you take.

      Lower prices tend to increase conversions but decrease the amount of dollars you take.


      The real key is in thinking through more of your sales process and adding in more steps at strategic times in ways that your customers like and appreciate.


      Other Options:

      # 1: Test sending your prospects to high quality content first.

      Quite some time ago John Reese revealed (I think on this forum) that in many niches his testing suggests you're better off sending your site visitors to your high quality content first and try to capture their contact details and sell them products after they've seen some high quality content.

      I do experiment a little with this method on my blog and it does work especially for selling high priced high end services like copywriting but...


      # 2: Sending your visitors straight to a sales page

      Generally speaking this makes more sales for me and increases the perceived value of the information I have to sell (instead of giving it away free).

      Your figures are correct. In most cases you make more sales sending prospects to a sales page...especially if your first product is low priced.

      In fact I'd argue strongly for the wisdom of selling a low priced product as a lead in with VERY generous affiliate commissions.


      # 3: Exit pages

      These work and this is how you can lead prospects back into high quality content (not just trying to get their email addresses.

      Also your optin rate can be very high on exit pages from sales pages because you've built the perception of real value for the information you're selling then offering a free sample of that information...this is much better sales psychology.

      Also your subscribers are a little less likely to upset about you trying to sell them products.

      They expect that because of the way they enter the sales funnel.

      See the exit page on Copywriting Offers Unleashed by Online Copywriter Andrew Cavanagh for an example of an exit page.

      When you try to leave you're offered a gift but also at the bottom of the page are links to all kinds of high quality content.

      The objective is to build trust and credibility so your prospects will buy from you.



      # 4: Upsells

      One upsell can be just the beginning.

      You can follow up your buyers with high quality extra content that also leads into other products sales.

      You can also offer a list of tightly related products on your download page (after the download link of course).

      And many, many other strategies.

      Often adding another step into your sales process increases your sales by another 10% to 50% or more.

      Thinking through your whole sales strategy is one of the most lucrative things you can do.




      # 5: Your free list

      You can get your free list clicking through links in your emails by starting out pointing them to quality content on your site.

      And after that content or as part of that content you offer a product.

      Ultimately the way to make the most sales of lower priced products is just to send prospects straight to a sales letter.

      But you may want to send a free list to quality content a lot because...they like free stuff!

      Thinking through your strategies for your free list is another area where the potential for profit can be huge.

      Nice videos.

      There's one key you don't mention in your video and I know from experience this is true:

      I'll take a list of 1,000 buyers over a list of 5,000 free subscribers any day.

      The buyers list will beat the hell out of the free list in sales and response for nearly everything.

      The process a customer goes through to part with their cash to buy your product is a huge part of the process of valuing and using the information in the product.

      Kindest regards,
      Andrew Cavanagh


      P.S. Lakshay what software or combination of software did you use to create your video? The writing function looks neat.

      Was it all done live?
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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    50% conversions on the exit popup seems un-realistic to me. I prefer to incentivise the visitor on the squeeze page to enter their details before I try and sell something to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
      Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM View Post

      50% conversions on the exit popup seems un-realistic to me. I prefer to incentivise the visitor on the squeeze page to enter their details before I try and sell something to them.
      And what are you hoping this will achieve?

      I'm sorry, but it's hard to take a guy who has an avatar pic of Schwartzenegger seriously, particularly when Lakshay gave a brilliant few videos there with logic to back up his hypothesis... Then Andrew Cavanagh came and added some more info.

      Then you come in and pick faults in something that you most likely have not tested at all.

      I'm all for healthy disagreement, but having such an arrogant, know-it-all attitude is disrespectful to the people in this thread who are doing good things (and no, I don't count myself among them).

      If you're going to disagree, at least do it with some logical hypothesis. Not just blind, ignorant "this is how I do it"-style comebacks.

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      • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
        Originally Posted by Daniel Scott View Post

        And what are you hoping this will achieve?

        I'm sorry, but it's hard to take a guy who has an avatar pic of Schwartzenegger seriously, particularly when Lakshay gave a brilliant few videos there with logic to back up his hypothesis... Then Andrew Cavanagh came and added some more info.

        Then you come in and pick faults in something that you most likely have not tested at all.

        I'm all for healthy disagreement, but having such an arrogant, know-it-all attitude is disrespectful to the people in this thread who are doing good things (and no, I don't count myself among them).

        If you're going to disagree, at least do it with some logical hypothesis. Not just blind, ignorant "this is how I do it"-style comebacks.

        -Dan
        Hi Dan,

        Thanks for the laugh. I have tried exit popup on my sales page before and never got anywhere near 50% signup. I'm not saying that it's a bad system, or impossible. Just in my experience I haven't done that. It's my opinion, I'm entitled to it, just as you are.

        I seem to have struck a nerve with you. Perhaps you are intimidated by my big shiny muscles? I didn't set out to write a 'how to' on what I do as I am sure most people reading this thread are familiar with incentivising visitors to sign up on the squeeze page -- I didn't think I needed to explain it. I just wanted to post my opinion.

        Any way, asta la vista baby!

        PS Very nice video's lak, I hope you didn't think I was putting them down in any way. Are you getting 50% conversion on your exit pop-up? If so that's amazing. Is this from PPC traffic?
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
          Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM View Post

          Hi Dan,

          Thanks for the laugh. I have tried exit popup on my sales page before and never got anywhere near 50% signup. I'm not saying that it's a bad system, or impossible. Just in my experience I haven't done that. It's my opinion, I'm entitled to it, just as you are.

          I seem to have struck a nerve with you. Perhaps you are intimidated by my big shiny muscles? I didn't set out to write a 'how to' on what I do as I am sure most people reading this thread are familiar with incentivising visitors to sign up on the squeeze page -- I didn't think I needed to explain it. I just wanted to post my opinion.

          Any way, asta la vista baby!

          PS Very nice video's lak, I hope you didn't think I was putting them down in any way. Are you getting 50% conversion on your exit pop-up? If so that's amazing. Is this from PPC traffic?
          The point isn't the number. The point he's making is that signups are just as good using an exit popup and you make more sales.

          Have you tested a "squeeze page" vs. an "exit popup"? Because that's the real issue here... which one of the two will work better.

          You're definitely entitled to your opinion. But those opinions need to be backed up by testing. I know Lakshay tests his stuff heavily from reading his other posts (I think he did a math degree or something, at one stage). I'm just saying that I think you should have some kind of experience to back up your opinions.

          Regarding "incentivising", it's not a term I'm familiar with, although I admit I'm not the brightest crayon in the box. Perhaps someone could explain this term to me?

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            • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
              Originally Posted by BlogBrowser View Post

              I have no idea whether the OP tests his numbers or not, but I can assure you that there's no chance you'll get 50% opt-in on an exit out squeeze page, nor there's a chance it will outperform a front-end squeeze page. No chance whatsoever. If you argue this, then you havent tested them both yourself.
              Correct, they are two entirely different mindsets, I've never seen an on exit signup achieve 50% opt in or even close.

              But as I said above, there's no requirement to do so , simply use a traditional squeeze page with an on exit on the squeeze page which redirects them to your main page.

              That way you can have your cake (optins) and eat it to (all traffic not signed up still ends up at the main page).

              Seems better all round.
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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Lakshay , ever tried the no risk squeeze page ?

        It kills off this issue.

        Set up your site with the squeeze page but if the user goes to leave,use an on -exit and give them some kind of similar verbiage to :

        " Don't want to submit your details, no problem, click here to find out more"

        And make click here go to the main page.

        That way the people who would have opted in still do..

        Those that don't , you don't lose as they get to see the main page anyway.

        Job done, best of both worlds, issue becomes somewhat moot .
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        • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
          Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

          Ever tried the no risk squeeze page ?

          It kills of this issue.

          Set up your site with the squeeze page but when the user goes to leave give them a ..

          " Don't want to submit your details, no problem, click here to find out more"

          And make click here go to the website.

          That way the people who would have opted in do..

          Those that don't , you don't lose as they get to see the main page anyway.

          Job done, issue becomes somewhat moot as far as the front end element goes.
          I usually include a link from my landing page to my main website where the information is broken down into different sections. About 15% of my conversions hit the squeeze page, click a link without completing details but end up completing their details on some other part of my site.

          I started doing this mainly for the google quality score but it seems to work really well in some situations.
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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    OK, I'll explain it a little more. Before I start though bear in mind that each product/niche/site is different and you will never find a single technique that works the best for everything.

    What I mean by 'incentivizing' is that I offer someone something free in return for their email address and then re-direct them to the sales page. This work well if you can deliver highly targetted traffic, I usually use PPC and clasifieds.

    I don't always like to disclose the sale before I have someones email address. So a lot of the time I will create an offer to give away free that appeals to my target market.

    For instance I have a web design training product that I have tried every combination of on-exit and hover ads on and had a low conversion rate with it. I had written 2 books which I gave away as an extra bonus once people signed up, one was on the "7 deadly sins of web design" and the other was called "How to start a successful web design business".

    I trippled sales by creating a page that gave away these 2 ebooks completely free of charge. A simple squeeze page listing the benefits of my product and prompting them to enter their details to receive these free guides and some videos (the videos are where i sell my paid for product).

    This isn't the smallest ticket item though. Entry point is at £299 and upsell is £1395.

    Arguably because I have had good results with this method, this method has now become my comfort zone. But it's true, I do prefer to do it this way. It may not work for you, but right now, I prefer it.

    One thing is for sure though. If you are driving traffic directly to your sales page and you do not use on-exit, then you are lossing money!

    Again, no disrespect to lak, his sytem is great and everyone should try it as it could be the best method for their product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by BlogBrowser View Post

      Simon, the problem is: if you give your prospects the choice between opting in and not opting in... why would they opt-in at all? I know that I myself never opt-in when I am given the choice, and I am sure the majority of the people would do the same so... so the opt-in becomes redundant as most of the people will choose to bypass it altogether.
      Howdy, I guess I failed to explain it clearly.

      You're not giving them the choice , that's the point and why we call it the "no risk opt in ".

      They are ONLY presented with the option to go directly to the main page IF they do not OPT in and they choose to leave the squeeze page. Your utilising an on -exit script on the squeeze page.

      That's the beauty of it, you get all the people who would opt in and you don't LOSE all the people who don't.

      You achieve all the criteria , increased ROI and increased number on your lists and you have none of the negatives. It's how we increased ROI by 18% overnight, it's rarely used, but it's genius IMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
      Originally Posted by BlogBrowser View Post

      Simon, the problem is: if you give your prospects the choice between opting in and not opting in... why would they opt-in at all? I know that I myself never opt-in when I am given the choice, and I am sure the majority of the people would do the same so... so the opt-in becomes redundant as most of the people will choose to bypass it altogether.
      Bribe them. They only get the free didgeriedoo if they enter their details. Then your conversions rotate around how good your freebie is.
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  • Profile picture of the author BizBooks
    thanks for the videos. very powerful. as more and more people use squeeze pages, the opt in rate and quality of opt in addresses goes down... making your way an even more interesting approach.

    why not split test?
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