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Create 20 sites in a day and totally dominate a niche

by mikeevee
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I've jumped on many money-making bandwagons. Most of them do alright, especially considering the time I put in, but I certainly haven't hit the jackpot with any. However having learned a lot on the way I'm starting to scale up. The great advice in these forums is worth thousands of pounds. Its great to see people taking so much time to help each other out.

My main criteria for a new site now is something that I can do quickly, easily and then forget. I don't mind spending a few hours up front, but then I want it to run as close as possible to autopilot. Fire and Forget, as the RAF would say.

I am planning a new network of sites related to a small niche. I wont say which one, but it relates to variations around a travel theme. The whole thing will take around a day of my time to set up. I will include Adsense from Day 1 (I know some say wait until you have traffic but I have never had any problems adding it at the beginning). I will then leave the sites for 6 months before coming back.

Decisions before starting:
  1. Should I outsource the writing of the content, or is it as effective to just use auto-news posts using WP o Matic, WP Robot etc? Writing all the content myself is not an option as I want to keep my time down to a minimum.
  2. Set this all up as separate Wordpress domains or use Wordpress MU? I've heard about the capability of Wordpress MU (now part of Wordpress v3.0), which lets you run multiple domains from one admin console. Has anyone tried it successfully? If so, do you have any tips or gotcha's to be aware of?
  3. Should I host it all on one hosting account using add-on domains (cheap and easy) or under separate hosts? I'm very much leaning towards one account because it will cost me very little and keeps the future administration hassle down if I need to move.

I will be starting this on Saturday, so I'll let you know how it goes.
#create #day #dominate #money #niche #sites #totally
  • Profile picture of the author abhi1
    1. Outsourcing to UNIQUE content would be the best way. Spun articles hardly rank and have any value. What you need is consistent valued content i.e. unique articles relevant to your niche.

    2. WP-MU is a good option although it gets a bit tricky managing a lot of domains from a single UCP.

    3. You can always get a cheap resellers hosting and create separate cPanel accounts for each blog but that is not really necessary. You can easily manage your blogs from a single account if the bandwidth is sufficient.

    All the best
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    • Profile picture of the author TPFLegionaire
      Originally Posted by abhi1 View Post

      1. Outsourcing to UNIQUE content would be the best way. Spun articles hardly rank and have any value. What you need is consistent valued content i.e. unique articles relevant to your niche.

      2. WP-MU is a good option although it gets a bit tricky managing a lot of domains from a single UCP.

      3. You can always get a cheap resellers hosting and create separate cPanel accounts for each blog but that is not really necessary. You can easily manage your blogs from a single account if the bandwidth is sufficient.

      All the best
      -Abhi


      if your spun articles hardly rank and any value...you are doing it wrong
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      • Profile picture of the author Bradshaw
        Originally Posted by TPFLegionaire View Post

        if your spun articles hardly rank and any value...you are doing it wrong
        I agree. Sentence-level spun articles do rank and do give you both traffic and value.
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by abhi1 View Post


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      Spun articles hardly rank and have any value. What you need is consistent valued content i.e. unique articles relevant to your niche.

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      Originally Posted by affhelper View Post

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      DO NOT use PLR or spun articles ever.


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      I beg to differ. I have a huge number of spun articles that have done well in
      the SERPS. In addition to this, they add value where there would otherwise
      be none.

      HTH

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  • Profile picture of the author camelia
    Honestly speaking, creating 20 sites seems to be very tedious task for me at least. Getting quality content and updating on regular basis need lot of research and studying. So, I don't appreciate this idea. If I can hire content writer,then it sounds pretty easy though.
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  • Profile picture of the author thaismr
    3. Buy one hosting account with multiple domains, but don't build all sites at the same host. HostGator is very affordable and you could use them to build some of your sites.
    Later on, maybe buy another hosting plan from another datacenter, so big G. doesn’t know you own all sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author VegasGreg
      Originally Posted by thaismr View Post

      3. Buy one hosting account with multiple domains, but don't build all sites at the same host. HostGator is very affordable and you could use them to build some of your sites.
      Later on, maybe buy another hosting plan from another datacenter, so big G. doesn't know you own all sites.
      Big G will still know you own all the site if you A)don't use private registration, B)Use the same adsense account, C)use the same Google analytics account, D)Use the same G Webmaster tools,...etc. So that probably isn't a concern.. They know everything anyways.
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      • Profile picture of the author thaismr
        Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

        I've never done blog farms, I admit... but I just can't see it as a reliable business model in the long run. If Google sneezes, your entire business goes down the loo...
        Originally Posted by VegasGreg View Post

        Big G will still know you own all the site if you A)don't use private registration, B)Use the same adsense account, C)use the same Google analytics account, D)Use the same G Webmaster tools,...etc. So that probably isn't a concern.. They know everything anyways.
        It's not intended as a blog farm, in the sense that some of the blogs are used only to link to a main blog. They can be different blogs targeting different sub niches, with different income models. Not using adsense in all of them, but rather CPA and affiliate links in some of them.
        Private registration is free if you register your domains with Interbetbs , which protects your e-mail and all; and they are cheap, which is great when you are trying out a new niche.
        I don't use Google Analytics for most blogs, neither webmaster tools. I can only maintain a few big sites and others are all small niches that just lay in there and get updates from time to time. It's hard to get one site to rank too many keywords if it's a small blog, so my model is I build smaller niche blogs for those other keywords in the main niche.
        I don't see why this would get me in trouble, hope I'm not wrong!!
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      • Profile picture of the author mikeevee
        Originally Posted by VegasGreg View Post

        Big G will still know you own all the site if you A)don't use private registration, B)Use the same adsense account, C)use the same Google analytics account, D)Use the same G Webmaster tools,...etc. So that probably isn't a concern.. They know everything anyways.
        So true.

        I dont link any of my sites together. There is no need.

        Just creating sites, with some acceptable content, will get visitors and traffic by itself.

        I always go for the maximum reward for minimum effort approach. That way I can work on other ideas while I keep a nice residual background income from my sites.
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        • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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          Originally Posted by mikeevee View Post

          So true.



          Just creating sites, with some acceptable content, will get visitors and traffic by itself.
          On what planet?

          I hate to break it to you, but "build it and they will come" only works on magical baseball diamonds built in the middle of cornfields.
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        • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
          Originally Posted by mikeevee View Post

          So true.

          I dont link any of my sites together. There is no need.

          Just creating sites, with some acceptable content, will get visitors and traffic by itself.


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          This is wrong on so many levels. If you have related websites or blogs
          on different IP's, and you deep link, it adds a huge benefit to your SEO.

          Just build it and they'll come huh? You been watching the field of dreams
          again?

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          • Profile picture of the author mikeevee
            Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

            This is wrong on so many levels. If you have related websites or blogs
            on different IP's, and you deep link, it adds a huge benefit to your SEO.

            Just build it and they'll come huh? You been watching the field of dreams
            again?

            Glenn
            I take your point. All I was trying to say was that the most important thing was to get started. So many people don't overcome that mental barrier.

            My sites do well, and none of them are linked. But I am sure they could improve.

            Do you know of a good hosting provider that provides SEO hosting with different C class domains? Is it still possible to manage from one control panel if you do that?
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Munch
        Originally Posted by VegasGreg View Post

        Big G will still know you own all the site if you A)don't use private registration, B)Use the same adsense account, C)use the same Google analytics account, D)Use the same G Webmaster tools,...etc. So that probably isn't a concern.. They know everything anyways.
        Very true, and that's just the algorithm.

        A human reviewer (which Google do have) are likely even more savvy at connecting sites that you own. If you build a big network its possible a human reviewer will hit it at some point if you start ranking well for decent terms.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimG
      Originally Posted by thaismr View Post

      3. Buy one hosting account with multiple domains, but don't build all sites at the same host. HostGator is very affordable and you could use them to build some of your sites.
      Later on, maybe buy another hosting plan from another datacenter, so big G. doesn't know you own all sites.
      I believe they have their hands in the registration business as well so they can see who registers a site.

      Think you are better off building sites on various hosting platforms with different data centers but I think you need to spread out who the sites are registered to and that is where the tricky part comes in.

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  • Profile picture of the author Anonymous Affiliate
    I've never done blog farms, I admit... but I just can't see it as a reliable business model in the long run. If Google sneezes, your entire business goes down the loo...
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    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      I've never done blog farms, I admit... but I just can't see it as a reliable business model in the long run. If Google sneezes, your entire business goes down the loo...
      Totally off topic, but I once had a British girlfriend and the first time she said that she had to go to the loo, my head almost exploded. I finally knew what they meant in that song... "skip to the loo my darling"

      However, I am still baffled as to why anyone would skip to the bathroom or write a song about doing so for that matter.
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        • Profile picture of the author Nate23
          My thoughts are that a mix of auto content and new content (outsourced) would be the best route to go.

          Depending on what plug-ins you use, you can build up an Alexa ranking quickly... but some strong original content will help more than anything with traffic.

          Traffic = Adsense Profits....

          Best of luck
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        Totally off topic, but I once had a British girlfriend and the first time she said that she had to go to the loo, my head almost exploded. I finally knew what they meant in that song... "skip to the loo my darling"

        However, I am still baffled as to why anyone would skip to the bathroom or write a song about doing so for that matter.
        They aren't related. The "loo" in Britain is the potty, the "Lou" in the song "Skip to My Lou" actually comes from the Scottish word for "love" -- as in the person that you love is your "lou". In the song, it refers to skipping to your love and, ultimately, finding your love has been stolen away and you have to find another "lou" (love).
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Originally Posted by mikeevee View Post

    I've jumped on many money-making bandwagons. Most of them do alright, especially considering the time I put in, but I certainly haven't hit the jackpot with any. However having learned a lot on the way I'm starting to scale up. The great advice in these forums is worth thousands of pounds. Its great to see people taking so much time to help each other out.

    My main criteria for a new site now is something that I can do quickly, easily and then forget. I don't mind spending a few hours up front, but then I want it to run as close as possible to autopilot. Fire and Forget, as the RAF would say.

    I am planning a new network of sites related to a small niche. I wont say which one, but it relates to variations around a travel theme. The whole thing will take around a day of my time to set up. I will include Adsense from Day 1 (I know some say wait until you have traffic but I have never had any problems adding it at the beginning). I will then leave the sites for 6 months before coming back.

    Decisions before starting:
    1. Should I outsource the writing of the content, or is it as effective to just use auto-news posts using WP o Matic, WP Robot etc? Writing all the content myself is not an option as I want to keep my time down to a minimum.
    2. Set this all up as separate Wordpress domains or use Wordpress MU? I've heard about the capability of Wordpress MU (now part of Wordpress v3.0), which lets you run multiple domains from one admin console. Has anyone tried it successfully? If so, do you have any tips or gotcha's to be aware of?
    3. Should I host it all on one hosting account using add-on domains (cheap and easy) or under separate hosts? I'm very much leaning towards one account because it will cost me very little and keeps the future administration hassle down if I need to move.

    I will be starting this on Saturday, so I'll let you know how it goes.
    I think you have got the right idea here, and like you say you want to "fire and forget" so I would say keep it as simple as possible!

    1. I would outsource it to a good content writer and then you know that your posts will be indexed and as long as they are good your blog will be informative and far more likely to rank well.

    2. To be honest I have never tried Wordpress MU so I really don't know - you can do most things with the standard Wordpress and then downloading plugins as and when you need them.

    3. Yes, it is far cheaper to have the "add on" domains but i would say do it right first time and get a url for each one keyword optimized for the phrase/s that you are targeting.

    Hope this helps,

    Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author OLOORE
    Originally Posted by mikeevee
    Decisions before starting:
    [LIST=1

    [*]Should I outsource the writing of the content, or is it as effective to just use auto-news posts using WP o Matic, WP Robot etc? Writing all the content myself is not an option as I want to keep my time down to a minimum.[*]Set this all up as separate Wordpress domains or use Wordpress MU? I've heard about the capability of Wordpress MU (now part of Wordpress v3.0), which lets you run multiple domains from one admin console. Has anyone tried it successfully? If so, do you have any tips or gotcha's to be aware of?[*] Should I host it all on one hosting account using add-on domains (cheap and easy) or under separate hosts? I'm very much leaning towards one account because it will cost me very little and keeps the future administration hassle down if I need to move.[/LIST]
    I will be starting this on Saturday, so I'll let you know how it goes.
    (1) I'll suggest you outsource at least 50% of the Content requirements. That should help you determine how effective your own personal abilities are at provide great content. That is outside of the stress related to providing all reqd content.
    (2) Determine from day 1 to have a least two different hosting accounts.
    If you do not immediately have the resources to do that, contrast the expenses with Big G frustrating when you least expect.
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  • Profile picture of the author DrewClement
    The key for you...if this is something that you really want to do.....is to consider using Sub-Domains.

    This way you can create a large number of blogs through one WordPress installation, rather than needing a massive and expensive server, hundreds of WP installations, and all of the headaches that come with it.

    For instance....say you own ILoveCoolCars.com

    You can create subdomains filled with content and end up with a number of blogs like

    convertibles.ILoveCoolCars.com

    Suvs.ILoveCoolCars.com

    etc etc etc

    Great way to get lots of content going, increase traffic, and cut down on the headache..
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeevee
    Thanks all for the ideas and support. Now that I am convinced it will work I am going to set the idea loose this weekend, then wait and see how traffic develops over the coming 2-3 months.

    I would like to use Wordpress MU, but it doesnt seem to have many fans!
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  • Profile picture of the author TheNewGuy2010
    Why would you create that many sites?

    That's not productive at all.

    You can create 2 sites selling a $150 Amazon product and earn $10k a month.

    Believe it or not.

    How are you going to promote 20 sites? Let alone 20 sites a day.

    Just build one site and you can earn $10K a month.

    You don't need to "own" a niche.

    There are tons of folks making great money promoting in the golf niche. They don't need to dominate the golf niche.

    That's, IMO, very foolish for you to build all those sites.

    I really think folks that do that mass site building will find themselves frustrated when they realize, it's not working out as planned.

    You can make a ton of money with 2 sites, build lists around those 2 sites. Promoting those 2 sites,etc.........you can make way more more with 2 sites than you could with 200 "set it and forget it" sites.














    Originally Posted by mikeevee View Post

    I’ve jumped on many money-making bandwagons. Most of them do alright, especially considering the time I put in, but I certainly haven’t hit the jackpot with any. However having learned a lot on the way I’m starting to scale up. The great advice in these forums is worth thousands of pounds. Its great to see people taking so much time to help each other out.

    My main criteria for a new site now is something that I can do quickly, easily and then forget. I don’t mind spending a few hours up front, but then I want it to run as close as possible to autopilot. Fire and Forget, as the RAF would say.

    I am planning a new network of sites related to a small niche. I wont say which one, but it relates to variations around a travel theme. The whole thing will take around a day of my time to set up. I will include Adsense from Day 1 (I know some say wait until you have traffic but I have never had any problems adding it at the beginning). I will then leave the sites for 6 months before coming back.

    Decisions before starting:
    1. Should I outsource the writing of the content, or is it as effective to just use auto-news posts using WP o Matic, WP Robot etc? Writing all the content myself is not an option as I want to keep my time down to a minimum.
    2. Set this all up as separate Wordpress domains or use Wordpress MU? I’ve heard about the capability of Wordpress MU (now part of Wordpress v3.0), which lets you run multiple domains from one admin console. Has anyone tried it successfully? If so, do you have any tips or gotcha’s to be aware of?
    3. Should I host it all on one hosting account using add-on domains (cheap and easy) or under separate hosts? I’m very much leaning towards one account because it will cost me very little and keeps the future administration hassle down if I need to move.

    I will be starting this on Saturday, so I’ll let you know how it goes.
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    • Profile picture of the author garraye34
      Totally agreed with your view

      That idea is term proverbial "J" of all trade master of none!

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      Originally Posted by TheNewGuy2010 View Post

      Why would you create that many
      sites?

      That's not productive at all.

      You can create 2 sites selling a $150 Amazon product and earn $10k a month.

      Believe it or not.

      How are you going to promote 20 sites? Let alone 20 sites a day.

      Just build one site and you can earn $10K a month.

      You don't need to "own" a niche.

      There are tons of folks making great money promoting in the golf niche. They don't need to dominate the golf niche.

      That's, IMO, very foolish for you to build all those sites.

      I really think folks that do that mass site building will find themselves frustrated when they realize, it's not working out as planned.

      You can make a ton of money with 2 sites, build lists around those 2 sites. Promoting those 2 sites,etc.........you can make way more more with 2 sites than you could with 200 "set it and forget it" sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hoopatang
    As it's been nearly 3 weeks since the OP, I'm curious for that update.

    (Edited to say)
    Also, I think that what Mikeevee is envisioning and what most here are envisioning are two separate things. I *think* (Mike pls correct me if I'm wrong) he is simply using WP to build a number of static sites - you would call them mini-sites - but the backend of the sites is WP to facilitate easier updating later. It seems like everyone here is thinking he means building big, huge sites with actual blogs that would need to be updated regularly.

    Remember that for each post you make in WP, it produces an actual separate page (albeit dynamic) with the keywords in the url (mydomain.com/my-keyword-rich-title.php), so it's perfect to use as a backend for building static mini-sites; the blog itself simply acts as a filtering hub.
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    • Profile picture of the author mikeevee
      Originally Posted by Hoopatang View Post

      As it's been nearly 3 weeks since the OP, I'm curious for that update.

      (Edited to say)
      Also, I think that what Mikeevee is envisioning and what most here are envisioning are two separate things. I *think* (Mike pls correct me if I'm wrong) he is simply using WP to build a number of static sites - you would call them mini-sites - but the backend of the sites is WP to facilitate easier updating later. It seems like everyone here is thinking he means building big, huge sites with actual blogs that would need to be updated regularly.

      Remember that for each post you make in WP, it produces an actual separate page (albeit dynamic) with the keywords in the url (mydomain.com/my-keyword-rich-title.php), so it's perfect to use as a backend for building static mini-sites; the blog itself simply acts as a filtering hub.
      Hi. Yes, you are right. My method is simply to use Wordpress as the backend engine for the site. I then use it to add posts, sometimes via PLR, sometimes via WPOM, sometimes a bit of both.

      As for stats, I've been away the last month so the sites have lacked the tweaking that they need. Nevertheless, my first 10 sites, which I set up in around 5 hours total, are getting 2000 hits a week and making £25 / week between them.

      Scale that by adding 10 sites a day, and...
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      • Profile picture of the author affhelper
        I have said this soooo many times. Concentrate on one site only at first. Put all your effort into a good site with original unique content. DO NOT use PLR or spun articles ever. Higher a writer whose English is first language with proven track record if you want to outsource content.

        Here is where creating networks come into play. When you have a steady cashflow then you buy a hosting with 200 IP addresses and hire a team to create blogs, write content, and do link building. Keep the network exclusive for your own needs. Never sell links from that network.

        That's how you dominate
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  • Profile picture of the author scaasi
    I agree with TheNewGuy2010.

    I have multiple blogs covering several different niches along with a day job. Two of my blogs rank at the top of very competitive niches. It took three months of hard work to build one blog to achieve top ranking in one niche. The other took less than a month since there were few competing blogs when I intially built the blog. I have not updated the remaining blogs because I have not had the time to research the topics to generate suitable content. I note that it takes a lot of time to keep updating the content on the blogs and removing unrelated spam which I believe affects rankings. When I don't regularily tend to the blogs, their ranking suffers.

    I do not understand your intent with so many blogs unless you are using the blog sites to generate static websites. However, based on my experience, I recommend you consider having ghost writers help you with the content for each blog as they can be hired very inexpensively. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author tht222
    Originally Posted by mikeevee View Post

    1. Set this all up as separate Wordpress domains or use Wordpress MU? I’ve heard about the capability of Wordpress MU (now part of Wordpress v3.0), which lets you run multiple domains from one admin console. Has anyone tried it successfully? If so, do you have any tips or gotcha’s to be aware of?
    With Wordpress MU you can run multiple blogs on a single domain (it uses subdomains) - it is not a software/tool that lets you run blogs on different domains from a single control panel.


    Although I have MU blogs on shared hosting, make sure that your host has wildcard domains enabled and also make sure that they won't kick you out if your site start eating up a lot of the host's resources.

    If you want to run hundreds of blogs from one control panel, then look at Blogs Organizer or some similar tools... hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author kevinw1
    The newer MU that is part of WP 3.x apparently allows you to manage multiple *domains*, not just subdomains. Hence its potential use to manage an entire empire of sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author seolbs
    I thing if you will build 50 and make them bigger you will have a better effect!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    What if we are really computer animations and God is a programmer... maybe we could build a site within a virtual baseball diamond in the middle of a cornfield since this is all virtual anyway...?

    They would come right?
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    • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      What if we are really computer animations and God is a programmer... maybe we could build a site within a virtual baseball diamond in the middle of a cornfield since this is all virtual anyway...?

      They would come right?
      But then how to explain all the bugs. Then we're into apparent contradictions
      and things get all fouled up.

      The second question?

      No. (sorry)


      Ken
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post


        The second question?

        No. (sorry)


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