I feel like I am chasing the clouds...

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I am kind of depressed with all the internet marketing thing. I know it is just me not doing the right things, but it just feels like no matter what I do I will never make any kind of money doing this... I don't even try to make any money now, just get some, any targeted traffic for the keywords that I choose...

I feel like I am just lying to myself, making up this dream of making money online, but I should just go out and get a minimum wage job, because it will allow me to earn way more for my time, than I am making now...

Does anybody else feel like that?
#chasing #clouds #feel
  • Profile picture of the author Mark Brian
    Sorry dude but IM or any other business will not succeed with "I feel I'm not gonna make it" attitude. Whether you think you can or can't, you're right.
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    • Profile picture of the author madhatseo
      Originally Posted by Mark Brian View Post

      Sorry dude but IM or any other business will not succeed with "I feel I'm not gonna make it" attitude. Whether you think you can or can't, you're right.
      Anyone who doesn't have their bad days is either conceited beyond belief or just not honest.

      Chill out... we all have those days where we run into the wall and feel like nothing we do will make a dent in the search for increased traffic. Keep up your spirit, stay positive and see if some change may cause a positive effect on your goals. Learn, adapt, improvise, overcome.
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    • Profile picture of the author sebas
      In Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill he talks about a common thing he saw in highly successful people.

      Most of them made their big breakthrough only when they where at their lowest. The force that made them go over those troubles even though they saw no happy future is what differentiates them from people not in charge of their lives.

      Going through will never be easy, in any endeavor you take, but gosh is it rewarding once you finally make it to the other side!

      So my advice to you is to hustle through your struggle and make it a commitment to make it no matter what. If it takes years, so be it, you'll still be way better off than most regular workers. But on the good side, it shouldn't take years, success often happens sooner than we think.

      Good luck!
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      • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
        Originally Posted by sebas View Post


        So my advice to you is to hustle through your struggle and make it a commitment to make it no matter what. If it takes years, so be it, you'll still be way better off than most regular workers. But on the good side, it shouldn't take years, success often happens sooner than we think.

        Good luck!
        TO: What makes you think you will be beter off if you quit internet marketing all together? You will still feel miserable working a regular job.

        Hope this video will help


        Like the guy in the video said... You´re already in pain, you might as well get a reward from it..
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post

    I am kind of depressed with all the internet marketing thing. I know it is just me not doing the right things, but it just feels like no matter what I do I will never make any kind of money doing this... I don't even try to make any money now, just get some, any targeted traffic for the keywords that I choose...

    I feel like I am just lying to myself, making up this dream of making money online, but I should just go out and get a minimum wage job, because it will allow me to earn way more for my time, than I am making now...

    Does anybody else feel like that?
    Well then you should quit and go get that minimum wage job! Sounds like you will be much happier and hey, we who are working hard to build a business are going to need you minimum wagers who wash dishes, or bus, or work in a hotel to serve us people who have the right attitude and plan on making it for when we go on those vacations, or go out to eat! So yeah go for it! Sounds good to me! Do me a favor though...take the sob story somewhere else! Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Justin W
      Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

      Well then you should quit and go get that minimum wage job! Sounds like you will be much happier and hey, we who are working hard to build a business are going to need you minimum wagers who wash dishes, or bus, or work in a hotel to serve us people who have the right attitude and plan on making it for when we go on those vacations, or go out to eat! So yeah go for it! Sounds good to me! Do me a favor though...take the sob story somewhere else! Thanks
      Oh please... all of us have felt like the OP at some point. We were all at rock bottom at one point. The fact they made a post about it clearly shows they still have hope, otherwise they wouldn't even bother posting on an internet marketing forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author BobRenwick
        Originally Posted by TruthW87 View Post

        Oh please... all of us have felt like the OP at some point. We were all at rock bottom at one point. The fact they made a post about it clearly shows they still have hope, otherwise they wouldn't even bother posting on an internet marketing forum.
        The act of wallowing in self-pity is not something that should be coddled. There is a place for empathy but there is nothing wrong with encouraging a little mental toughness.

        The problem is not one of methodology or technical know-how. Those things can be easily learned. Attitude on the other hand is a more slippery slope. If the mind isn't right then forget the rest because it ain't happening.
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        • Profile picture of the author Laura B
          Originally Posted by Bob Renwick View Post

          The act of wallowing in self-pity is not something that should be coddled. There is a place for empathy but there is nothing wrong with encouraging a little mental toughness.
          True, but how can you say for sure he's (actually not sure if it's a he or she) wallowing in self-pity as opposed to simply expressing his current discouraged state of mind? Seems like defining it as wallowing would require a couple more posts from him with a negative tone. It didn't come across that way to me.
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          • Profile picture of the author BobRenwick
            Originally Posted by Laura B View Post

            True, but how can you say for sure he's (actually not sure if it's a he or she) wallowing in self-pity as opposed to simply expressing his current discouraged state of mind? Seems like defining it as wallowing would require a couple more posts from him with a negative tone. It didn't come across that way to me.
            Sounds like wallowing to me but you do have a point. Maybe "wallowing" isn't the right word. He has actively chosen to be discouraged. It's one thing to feel this way but when you actually take the time to write it down and expose those feelings to the world there has to be at least a minor degree of wallowing.

            Hey feedtherightwolf enlighten us. Are you "wallowing" or "expressing?"
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            • Profile picture of the author Justin W
              Originally Posted by Bob Renwick View Post

              Sounds like wallowing to me but you do have a point. Maybe "wallowing" isn't the right word. He has actively chosen to be discouraged. It's one thing to feel this way but when you actually take the time to write it down and expose those feelings to the world there has to be at least a minor degree of wallowing.

              Hey feedtherightwolf enlighten us. Are you "wallowing" or "expressing?"
              He chose to be discouraged?
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              • Profile picture of the author BobRenwick
                Originally Posted by TruthW87 View Post

                He chose to be discouraged?
                Our mental state is always one of choice, certainly influenced by our circumstances, but it is ultimately our own decision as to what that mental state will be. We are free to exercise our wills over our circumstances.
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                • Profile picture of the author Justin W
                  Originally Posted by Bob Renwick View Post

                  Our mental state is always one of choice, certainly influenced by our circumstances, but it is ultimately our own decision as to what that mental state will be. We are free to exercise our wills over our circumstances.
                  I'm guessing you haven't suffered from clinical depression.
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                  • Profile picture of the author BobRenwick
                    Originally Posted by TruthW87 View Post

                    I'm guessing you haven't suffered from clinical depression.
                    That's a very unique and special situation. Obviously there are extreme exceptions to every rule. Nothing is ever black and white. There will always be extreme circumstances that just flat out get the best of us, such as grief over the loss of a loved one.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Justin W
                      Originally Posted by Bob Renwick View Post

                      That's a very unique and special situation. Obviously there are extreme exceptions to every rule. Nothing is ever black and white. There will always be extreme circumstances that just flat out get the best of us, such as grief over the loss of a loved one.
                      But see, the thing is, what if they suffer from that? We don't really know as they've only seemed to make one post in this thread.
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                      • Profile picture of the author BobRenwick
                        Originally Posted by TruthW87 View Post

                        But see, the thing is, what if they suffer from that? We don't really know as they've only seemed to make one post in this thread.
                        You're right we don't know. But does that change the fact that positive mental attitude is essential for success?

                        If feedtherightwolf suffers from clinical depression, which by the way is a real shot in the dark on your part, then that minimum wage job he talks about may be the solution.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Justin W
                          Originally Posted by Bob Renwick View Post

                          You're right we don't know. But does that change the fact that positive mental attitude is essential for success?

                          If feedtherightwolf suffers from clinical depression, which by the way is a real shot in the dark on your part, then that minimum wage job he talks about may be the solution.
                          Of course not, but saying they are wallowing in self pity is hardly going to improve their mindset.

                          Saying they might have depression though is hardly a shot in the dark. At least 10% of Americans deal with depression. We don't really know his story, so let's not judge him.. or her? *Shrugs*
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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by Bob Renwick View Post

                  Our mental state is always one of choice, certainly influenced by our circumstances, but it is ultimately our own decision as to what that mental state will be. We are free to exercise our wills over our circumstances.
                  That crap belongs in Mind Warriors section. In the Internet Marketing discussions, people do get discouraged and some people offer incredible advice rather than bashing them when they are down.

                  Take Dennis Gaskills response for example .... always helpful, always thought provoking.
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                  • Profile picture of the author BobRenwick
                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    That crap belongs in Mind Warriors section. In the Internet Marketing discussions, people do get discouraged and some people offer incredible advice rather than bashing them when they are down.

                    Take Dennis Gaskills response for example .... always helpful, always thought provoking.
                    Apparently you haven't read all of the posts. That statement was a response to another person that was almost a thread within the thread. You've obviously taken it out of context.

                    At any rate, just wanted to clarify without hijacking the thread with a side issue.
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      Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

      Well then you should quit and go get that minimum wage job! Sounds like you will be much happier and hey, we who are working hard to build a business are going to need you minimum wagers who wash dishes, or bus, or work in a hotel to serve us people who have the right attitude and plan on making it for when we go on those vacations, or go out to eat! So yeah go for it! Sounds good to me! Do me a favor though...take the sob story somewhere else! Thanks
      What an arrogant, condescending reply to someone who is feeling discouraged. Way to go.

      TO The OP

      So you haven't really hit on the right method for you. There are a lot of methods. How many have you tried? Are you just doing affiliate marketing or have you tried others ways to make money online?

      There's site flipping, domain fllipping, niche marketing, marketing physical products rather than info products, PPC .... there's article marketing and there is selling your services ... as a writer, as a VA, etc.

      There's creating your own products. There are many different methods and you may not have hit the one that is best for you.

      That being said ... there's no dishonor is working a job. IM may or may not be for you. Not everyone who tries it will be a success. In fact, it might be a good idea to work a job and do this part time until you have more success. Either way, you have a lot of options.
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      • Profile picture of the author scrofford
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        What an arrogant, condescending reply to someone who is feeling discouraged. Way to go.

        Well first of all, how many of these threads have you seen here (and I know you have seen alot) where someone like the OP will drop this "I should quit and I suck and life is terrible for me and IM" and then you don't see them on the thread EVER again. Like this one! I have compassion for people who are having a hard time and say they are, but ask for TRUE help. The OP isn't doing that.

        Honestly life can be hard. It can be more than hard. I know this. There have been many times I have wanted to quit life and just check out. I understand about just wanting to give up with IM. It's not that I wrote that post just to be a jerk. Point is, if you need help, ASK, don't sit there and cry and whine and say you are going to quit just to get attention. It doesn't help you and it doesn't help anyone else. And if you are at the point of not being able to see any hope in building your own business, then either you should quit or at least take a long break and go get a job or whatever to clear your head for a few months. This was my point. You never get anywhere just becoming a quitter.
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  • Profile picture of the author BobRenwick
    I agree with you. You will never succeed at internet marketing. Reading your post that fact is more than obvious. You are so defeated and negative that success could not find you with a search light.

    I'll let you in on a little secret. You aren't any different than anyone else. The only thing that is different and unique to yourself is your bad attitude. Beyond that everyone on this forum started at rock bottom and had to learn their trade form the bottom up.

    All those gurus you hear about. Do you think they were born gurus? Imagine little gurus running around in diapers! OMG the faces I'm seeing with pacifiers sticking out of their mouths!

    Ultimately failure is a state of mind. Every person on this forum has experienced temporary failure, setbacks, and have gone through learning processes that have been painful and frustrating. So you see you're really no different than anyone else except for the manner in which you handle those things and respond to them.

    You'd probably be surprised how many successful marketers struggled for months or years before figuring it all out. I know because I've heard the stories and experienced it myself.

    I spent 4 years getting a college degree and 3 more for a Masters. That's 7 years. Now I'm an internet marketer. Nothing I learned in college taught me to do what I do now. I had to give myself the equivalent of a second college education to get that information.

    And I had no curriculum to follow so I pretty much made it up as I went along, learning a little here and a little there. Guess what. I still haven't graduated. I still deal with frustration and there are times I wish I was more competent.

    But I don't cry in my beer or wallow in self-pity.

    Pick yourself up and move forward. Success, when it comes can come in a flood. The worst thing you can do is to give up. Nobody said this business of making money online is easy when you're beginning. On the other hand, when it does come you'll find that it's easier than you think.
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    • Profile picture of the author Laura B
      Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

      Do me a favor though...take the sob story somewhere else! Thanks
      That seems a bit harsh. Everyone feels discouraged now and then. What is the Warrior Forum for if we can't express how we feel and know we've got friends who can give us a pep talk?

      The advice to have a positive rather than defeatist attitude, be patient, and not give up is good, but do we need to kick people when they're down? Now, if all the OP's posts here at WF are in the same vein and that's why you are replying like this, I apologize - I have not looked them up.

      That said, feedtherightwolf, how long have you been doing this? What do you think you are doing that's not right? Can you tell us what methods you're using?
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      • Profile picture of the author davidjames42973
        Hey buddy,

        Hang in there man. Even if you do have to take that minimum wage job, keep working on making money online. I can't tell you how many times I've failed, yelled at my computer screen, stomped my feet and yelled at the top of my lungs and said I was going to quit.

        Here I am 4 years later. But what I did every time I got discouraged is I watched this video, shut off my computer and caught up with some movies, friends, TV and started at it the next day.

        Watch this video...

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      • Profile picture of the author scrofford
        Originally Posted by Laura B View Post

        That seems a bit harsh. Everyone feels discouraged now and then. What is the Warrior Forum for if we can't express how we feel and know we've got friends who can give us a pep talk?

        The advice to have a positive rather than defeatist attitude, be patient, and not give up is good, but do we need to kick people when they're down? Now, if all the OP's posts here at WF are in the same vein and that's why you are replying like this, I apologize - I have not looked them up.

        That said, feedtherightwolf, how long have you been doing this? What do you think you are doing that's not right? Can you tell us what methods you're using?
        A bit harsh? the OP has decided to give up. They seem to think they are the only one to ever want to quit or have a hard time. It is a sob story. If the OP had come across as wanting help, then that would be different. You don't know how many of these threads I have seen! So if you want to give up and quit, then don't go out with some kind of whiney sob story...JUST QUIT! It's that simple. Nobody will miss you. Nobody cares if you give up. If you want to go and get a minimum wage job, it's up to you. I think the OP should quit and not waste a thread on telling us all about it.
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        • Profile picture of the author BobRenwick
          Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

          A bit harsh? the OP has decided to give up. They seem to think they are the only one to ever want to quit or have a hard time. It is a sob story. If the OP had come across as wanting help, then that would be different. You don't know how many of these threads I have seen! So if you want to give up and quit, then don't go out with some kind of whiney sob story...JUST QUIT! It's that simple. Nobody will miss you. Nobody cares if you give up. If you want to go and get a minimum wage job, it's up to you. I think the OP should quit and not waste a thread on telling us all about it.
          The great thing about this forum is that you can get such polarized views and in a sense they're both right. While I agree that there needs to be a major mental shift here away from whining and toward responsibility I can't condone the total lack of empathy.

          Are we not, after all, here to help each other? This is clearly someone who needs help and encouragement. I just need to know that he really wants it. There are many people who just have a basically negative disposition and actually thrive on the attention that their predicament brings them. We've all seen them.

          In this case apparently depression has been a problem for feedtherightwolf, since he has stated so himself. Because of that I'm not sure that an internet marketing forum is the best place for him to get the help he needs.

          This is a tough business to be in. When you're getting started the "downs" outnumber the "ups." It's easy to be up when you're making money and having success. But those downs can be pesky, especially for someone who admittedly is prone toward depression.

          I'm not sure that "just quit" is what he needs to hear, but the "everything will be okay, just hang in there" advice is just as misguided in this case.

          Feedtherightwolf I'm pulling for you and I hope you succeed. This is a great forum to get encouragement and guidance from people with more experience.

          But unless you get a grip on that mental attitude thing all the training and technical expertise in the world will not help. You need to dig in with this business and plow forward, using the failures as motivation. Temporary failures will not defeat you, but what you do with those failures is what's important. It's okay to lose a battle, as long as you don't succumb and forfeit the entire war.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
    I know how you feel in regards to it seeming like you're spinning your wheels and getting nowhere fast. I've been at this for over a year and there's really not much of a sign that I'll be able to quit my day job from my affiliate marketing efforts anytime soon.

    Luckily though, IM is a hobby that I'm fairly passionate about . . . and I can't stand not having something to do, so it fills the void that would otherwise be used for playing video games or sitting in front of the dumb tube.

    Plus, there is a pretty big difference between where I am now and where I was a year ago when I started. Now I have a system in place. Now I realize that internet marketing is a long term plan, not a short term one. And now I actually make money every single day because I never gave up. No, it doesn't replace the income I get from my 9-5 . . . or even come a fraction of an inch close to it. But the fact that I'm farther ahead now than I was before tells me that as long as I keep at it. . . I'll eventually get to where I want to be. The key is to not give up, and look at every little success as a blessing, learn from them, stick to the plan that got you there, and scale up.
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  • Profile picture of the author RS3RS
    If that's the case, then clearly what you're doing isn't working. You need to either 1) Switch to another method, or 2) Go get a job and forget about it.

    Or maybe get a "real" job while you figure it out. We often don't make good decisions when we're desperate, and having a job will allow you to focus more on the long-term.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    feedtherightwolf,

    Let me tell you a little story...
    There was a man with two racing dogs. Each weekend he'd have them race against each other and he'd take bets, giving odds that encouraged people to bet on the dog he wanted them to bet on.

    One week the black dog would win, and folks seeing this and considering the favorable odds would bet on the black dog the next weekend. But the white dog would win the next race and the man would rake in the cash and move on to the next town.

    This was repeated again and again in town after town, earning the man a great fortune.

    When he was old and no longer raced dogs he was asked how he knew which dog was going to win the race. He answered that, each week he'd feed the dog he wanted to win a healthy and plentiful diet, and just give the other dog enough to live on. The dog that ate well was always stronger, so it always won the race.
    Your mind and attitude are like those dogs. If you feed them a healthy mental diet they grow stronger and more creative. If you feed them negative thoughts and self-pity, they will stagnate and weaken.

    What you feed your mind determines where you're going in life. Which dog have you been feeding? Think about this, and think about your forum nickname, and then . . . feed the right wolf.
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      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Your mind and attitude are like those dogs. If you feed them a healthy mental diet they grow stronger and more creative. If you feed them negative thoughts and self-pity, they will stagnate and weaken.

      Interesting article:
      Pessimists make more money than optimists.


      The (survival) power of negative thinking. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author jborjaperez
    Hey feedtherightwolf!

    I can understand where you are coming from. But always remember that Chasing the clouds is what makes us different compared to all those who are comfortable with a 9 to 5. Don't settle for less my man because the struggle is what makes it worth it in the end..

    Feedtherightwolf, just remember that your story, your struggles will one day be able to inspire hundreds if not thousands of people who will be stuck in the same spot you are in. Do not let the grumpsters we have here on the warrior forum get you even more down.

    Surround yourself with positive people and good things will always come.. Challenges are there for a reason, to make us better. So we can learn skills that we never knew..

    This game is a marathon and perhaps we're always stuck in the last few miles when we're in search of that breakthrough.. But that's why we need to keep pushing until we make it. After you succeed in what you want to do you feel great, but if you quit now, what will you have gained compared to the feeling that you have conquered what most people have not?

    Keep pushing my friend and I hope to one day work with you.. See you at the finish line..

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    While some can control emotions as if they have none. Others can't..

    And for those who are able to stay focused during down times, I feel it is energy better spent helping others UP with a helping hand and encouraging words..

    Helping others with their problems before your own.. that is how you achieve personal greatness..

    But then again, not everybody is in pursuit of this and are enough with watching out for themselves..
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    Another must watch video...

    The Power Of Adversity And Adaptation -

    A Great dose of inspiration...

    We can all do with a little sometimes...

    Enjoy...

    The Beautiful Aimee Mullins Proves What The Human Spirit Is Capable Of...
    The Power Of Adversity And Adaptation ? The Beautiful Aimee Mullins Proves What The Human Spirit Is Capable Of | PhilosophersNotes Blog

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  • Profile picture of the author feedtherightwolf
    Thanks for your replies everybody it was a much needed feedback.

    I am a guy btw. And depression is not a long shot, I am
    a veteran and I had problems with PTSD and depresssion before. 1 thing I was told to do is share my feelings. Since my frasration was in regards to IM i figured I would find some people here who would understand, and I did.

    I apologize if I brought somebody down with my negativity. I loved the two dogs story, and its funny how apropriate it was, and how I forgot the core concept
    that caused me to pick the username that I did.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
      Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post


      I apologize if I brought somebody down with my negativity.
      There are a lot of people on here with what seems like an extremely fragile grip on the dream. They can't stand any negative comments made about IM whatsoever and they'll jump down the throat of anyone who makes one.

      Making money online isn't easy and it takes time. There are things to learn and mistakes to be made. It's not surprising if it gets you down every now and again. Take a break if you need one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior Dude
    I see in your sig file that you are trying to sell Pornography addiction help. How has that worked out for you?

    Usually, when one fails it is because they either are not getting targeted traffic, or they are not selling something someone wants to buy.

    Maybe switch from addiction help to selling sex toys.
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    • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
      Originally Posted by Warrior Dude View Post

      I see in your sig file that you are trying to sell Pornography addiction help. How has that worked out for you?

      Usually, when one fails it is because they either are not getting targeted traffic, or they are not selling something someone wants to buy.

      Maybe switch from addiction help to selling sex toys.
      I thought no one would ever mention this... maybe you're in the wrong niche? Try another market... Please avoid obscure niches like the one you're in right now. I can't imagine there is money to be made in the pornography addiction niche.

      Indeed, if you like the adult market...maybe you should switch from the one you're in now to selling sex toys. It may be a very competitive niche, but I'm sure there is really good money to be made in.
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      • Profile picture of the author feedtherightwolf
        Originally Posted by KatyaSenina View Post

        I thought no one would ever mention this... maybe you're in the wrong niche? Try another market... Please avoid obscure niches like the one you're in right now. I can't imagine there is money to be made in the pornography addiction niche.

        Indeed, if you like the adult market...maybe you should switch from the one you're in now to selling sex toys. It may be a very competitive niche, but I'm sure there is really good money to be made in.
        Thank you for the suggestion. I am working to promote my blog which is in pornography addiction niche, and my relative's site which is in truck repair industry. Both of those are very competitive, with not a lot of people searching for those things, which is probably why I am not doing so well.

        I am trying to promote both of this sites for reasons other than monetary, although I wouldn't mind to get compensated for my efforts either. So I am going to stick with them, even though I am fighting an uphill battle.

        The reason that I got frustrated, was because I tried a combination of things to get top placement in Google for a long term keywords, what I though to be a very easy goal, and none of them work. But I guess the keyword was more competitive than I originally assumed.
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        • Profile picture of the author scrofford
          Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post

          Thank you for the suggestion. I am working to promote my blog which is in pornography addiction niche, and my relative's site which is in truck repair industry. Both of those are very competitive, with not a lot of people searching for those things, which is probably why I am not doing so well.

          I am trying to promote both of this sites for reasons other than monetary, although I wouldn't mind to get compensated for my efforts either. So I am going to stick with them, even though I am fighting an uphill battle.
          I think you see your problem. If you think its worth it then that's up to you. Why don't you learn good keyword research skills and then on top of those two niches, go into one that will actually make you some money? Although a competitive niche isn't bad. It shows money can be made in it, so you just have to figure out HOW you are going to do that. I would do some studying and ask some questions here and maybe you can get it figured out and become successful. Also think about getting a mentor.
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        • Profile picture of the author BobRenwick
          [QUOTE=feedtherightwolf;2271763]Thank you for the suggestion. I am working to promote my blog which is in pornography addiction niche, and my relative's site which is in truck repair industry. Both of those are very competitive, with not a lot of people searching for those things, which is probably why I am not doing so well.

          I am trying to promote both of this sites for reasons other than monetary, although I wouldn't mind to get compensated for my efforts either. So I am going to stick with them, even though I am fighting an uphill battle. [QUOTE]

          I think you just identified your own problem. You need to decide what it is you want to do, make money or support causes. These two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive but in this case may be.

          My passion is astronomy. I have an astronomy website that is my favorite little pet project. I love to work on it. Trouble is it makes me no money so I can't allow it to dominate my efforts.

          You need to do some solid niche research and find a niche that you can concentrate on for profit and profit alone.

          Then keep your causes on the side, don't eliminate them, just realize that this is not where your living will come from.
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          • Profile picture of the author feedtherightwolf
            Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

            I think you see your problem. If you think its worth it then that's up to you. Why don't you learn good keyword research skills and then on top of those two niches, go into one that will actually make you some money? Although a competitive niche isn't bad. It shows money can be made in it, so you just have to figure out HOW you are going to do that. I would do some studying and ask some questions here and maybe you can get it figured out and become successful. Also think about getting a mentor.

            [quote=Bob Renwick;2271788][QUOTE=feedtherightwolf;2271763]Thank you for the suggestion. I am working to promote my blog which is in pornography addiction niche, and my relative's site which is in truck repair industry. Both of those are very competitive, with not a lot of people searching for those things, which is probably why I am not doing so well.

            I am trying to promote both of this sites for reasons other than monetary, although I wouldn't mind to get compensated for my efforts either. So I am going to stick with them, even though I am fighting an uphill battle.

            I think you just identified your own problem. You need to decide what it is you want to do, make money or support causes. These two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive but in this case may be.

            My passion is astronomy. I have an astronomy website that is my favorite little pet project. I love to work on it. Trouble is it makes me no money so I can't allow it to dominate my efforts.

            You need to do some solid niche research and find a niche that you can concentrate on for profit and profit alone.

            Then keep your causes on the side, don't eliminate them, just realize that this is not where your living will come from.
            Just wanted to say thanks to both of you, for sticking around this thread and giving your opinions. I think I will get a 3rd project going, with little competition, and a possibility of income to see how things will work out.
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        • Profile picture of the author Laura B
          Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

          A bit harsh? the OP has decided to give up. They seem to think they are the only one to ever want to quit or have a hard time. It is a sob story. If the OP had come across as wanting help, then that would be different.
          I don't think he wants to give up or has already made that decision. If he had, he wouldn't have posted here; he would be at McDonalds, turning in his employment app.

          And to me, he did come across as wanting help. Maybe he didn't phrase it in the form you expected, but asking "does anyone else ever feel this way" is a cry for help. I think he basically wanted to know if he's the only one who gets discouraged, because that would probably tell him that this isn't for him. On the other hand, if even successful IMers are down at times, that would give him hope to go on.

          Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

          Well first of all, how many of these threads have you seen here (and I know you have seen alot) where someone like the OP will drop this "I should quit and I suck and life is terrible for me and IM" and then you don't see them on the thread EVER again. Like this one!
          Well, he came back to the thread before you posted this, although to be fair, you may have been typing your response when he posted. We don't know where he lives, either, so maybe it has been nighttime for him while we were all responding.

          You may have seen many threads like this, and no doubt a lot of them have been whiners with sob stories, but it seems a little unfair to lump him in with them based on one post. But maybe that's just me. I am a little idealistic at times.
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          • Profile picture of the author scrofford
            Originally Posted by Laura B View Post

            I don't think he wants to give up or has already made that decision. If he had, he wouldn't have posted here; he would be at McDonalds, turning in his employment app.

            And to me, he did come across as wanting help. Maybe he didn't phrase it in the form you expected, but asking "does anyone else ever feel this way" is a cry for help. I think he basically wanted to know if he's the only one who gets discouraged, because that would probably tell him that this isn't for him. On the other hand, if even successful IMers are down at times, that would give him hope to go on.
            Well if to you the OP was asking for help at first then I guess that is your opinion. I think AT FIRST it was a "feel sorry for me" post. That's why I said what I said. Later when he did come back (and I was surprised by that) he had changed his tune and that is why I posted some suggestions.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          I have never been, am not now, nor will I ever be...one to drink the Kool Aid.
          So I can't jump on the bandwagon of cheerleaders who are telling you to go
          for it.

          Nobody here, including yourself, knows if Internet marketing or running a
          home business is right for YOU.

          And the reason YOU don't know is simple...you don't know enough yet. You
          don't know what's involved, what it takes, what the ups and downs are,
          or for that matter, what it's even like to do anything other than punch a
          clock.

          The only way you're going to figure out if this is right for you or not is to
          just do it. That means the following:

          1. Get a proper education, either through ebooks or through a mentor.

          2. After that, decide what business plan you want to take on.

          3. Execute the plan.

          Along the way, one of two things is going to happen.

          1. You'll become bored with the learning, frustrated with all the planning
          or disappointed by not having immediate success once you put things into
          operation. So your career could be derailed at any point along this path.

          2. You will welcome each step as a challenge, get excited by it, and keep
          doing it until you succeed...still enjoying it even through the failures.

          That's it. But you're not going to know until you do it.

          But if the thought of even going through all that makes you want to slit
          your throat before you even take step 1, I'd venture to say that running
          your own business isn't for you.

          Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    Hey Friend - after 5 years of doing this stuff, I can tell you that there were times along the way that I thought I would never make it too. But you know something? I never gave up: I kept going, learning from my mistakes as well as my little successes; and now I have managed to build a very successful business. And I'll tell you straight - you CAN do it!

    After reading and re-reading your post, my feelings are that you don't have a bad attitude at all; you were simply describing what it feels like to be where you are right now. Well, you won't be there forever, so start imagining what it will feel like when you are successful; enjoy reviewing your 'future-history' and don't tie yourself to your past.

    One day, in the future, you will be sitting at your computer encouraging someone else to not give-up. You will remember this moment and it will be of great assistance to some other struggling newbie to learn that you struggled - just like everyone else - but you finally made it!

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    • Profile picture of the author regska
      Hey, never ever quit. Failure is not the end, it's just the beginning. I also felt the same thing at some point, But I still kept on moving forward. Just think of a snail who's going to the other side of the road, it's really slow but the snail kept on crawling until the snail reaches his destination. Same thing here in IM, no matter how slow your progress is, just keep on moving forward and you will eventually reach your destination.

      And if you feel like quitting, just remember why you held on for so long. Ask yourself, have you really done your best? have you sweat a lot? Did you do something to make it happen? I'm not a guru, I don't make $10k a month, but I'm consistently building my list every day, and i know that someday i will make it. Be positive, man! Don't think that you can't do it, think "someday you will make it". Imagine achieving your dreams after all the hard work, failure, and pain! How sweet it is? Don't be a mediocre and settle for a minimum wage job.

      Well, you can still get a minimum wage job while doing internet marketing. Use some of the money that you will earn from your job to grow your online business, just don't quit!
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  • Profile picture of the author BethHewitt
    Never give up Wolf...Stay positive, successful people never quit...how long have you been using a particular strategy and what have you been doing?

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    • Profile picture of the author feedtherightwolf
      Originally Posted by BethHewitt View Post

      Never give up Wolf...Stay positive, successful people never quit...how long have you been using a particular strategy and what have you been doing?

      After reading through this thread, as well as the other once I realized that my problem was trying many techniques at the same time, instead of sticking to one for a very long time. I tried youtube, ezines, adsense, blog commenting, social media, and press releases. But I think I must improve the quantity of this effort.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post

        After reading through this thread, as well as the other once I realized that my problem was trying many techniques at the same time, instead of sticking to one for a very long time. I tried youtube, ezines, adsense, blog commenting, social media, and press releases. But I think I must improve the quantity of this effort.
        I know that you are in two niches that are personal to you and you want to stay in. That's fine, but you don't have to limit yourself to those two niches. Why don't you launch a test niche to experiment with ... one that might be easier to be successful in than the two niches that you want to be in?

        Do some keyword research and find a niche that you think you might be able to be profitable in and test some things out that you've learned. I can tell you that the two niches that you are in are tough. Not to say that you can't monetize it, but it won't be easy.
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        • Profile picture of the author feedtherightwolf
          I just took the time to watch through all of the videos that were submitted...

          I also found out that my sister was in a car accident last night that totaled her car, but she walked away without a scratch...

          I was a little lost last night. I forgot what was important from what wasn't. I had some false expectations for life, and I was upset that my expectations were not being met. I forgot to enjoy the process of being, of doing, of being alive...

          I will get a job, because clearly I am not qualified to make money online.

          At the same time I will continue to educate myself about IM because it is my passion, and I believe I can bring a lot of good in the world with it.

          At the same time I will explore more profitable niche markets, because I will need $ to accomplish things that I want to accomplish.

          I just wanted to thank everybody for taking the time to respond. I have never expected to get so much input on my feelings, when I started this thread last night.

          Thank You!
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post

            I will get a job, because clearly I am not qualified to make money online.

            At the same time I will continue to educate myself about IM because it is my passion, and I believe I can bring a lot of good in the world with it.
            I think you've made a great decision. Glad the thread could be of help. Good luck and glad your sister was unharmed by the accident.
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          • Profile picture of the author abednego
            Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post

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            I will get a job, because clearly I am not qualified to make money online.
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            Best of luck to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author helisell
    Wolf....it's perfectly OK to quit.

    This isn't for everybody and anyway the number of people actually 'living the dream' is not as great as you may been led to believe.

    I know that all the 'keep going...winners never quit' sentiments posted here are well meaning....but I suspect some of the posters are kidding themselves too. The whole arena is littered with people who will chant out the usual 'positive' affirmations and I'm not knocking that ...really I'm not.

    You don't need to feel bad about giving it up and getting a low paid job. The problem is, that while the majority still measure success as 'stuff that you own', real success is just 'happiness'.

    If I were you I would compliment myself for having given it my best shot....and move on. Get a job you enjoy doing, throw yourself wholeheartedly into it...as you have with your IM thing....and maybe...later...using some of what you've already learned...you can give it another try on a part time basis.

    Just my .02c.

    BTW before anybody asks......I do around $25-35k a month...all online...and I love it.


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    • Profile picture of the author feedtherightwolf
      Originally Posted by helisell View Post

      Wolf....it's perfectly OK to quit.

      This isn't for everybody and anyway the number of people actually 'living the dream' is not as great as you may been led to believe.

      I know that all the 'keep going...winners never quit' sentiments posted here are well meaning....but I suspect some of the posters are kidding themselves too. The whole arena is littered with people who will chant out the usual 'positive' affirmations and I'm not knocking that ...really I'm not.

      You don't need to feel bad about giving it up and getting a low paid job. The problem is, that while the majority still measure success as 'stuff that you own', real success is just 'happiness'.

      If I were you I would compliment myself for having given it my best shot....and move on. Get a job you enjoy doing, throw yourself wholeheartedly into it...as you have with your IM thing....and maybe...later...using some of what you've already learned...you can give it another try on a part time basis.

      Just my .02c.

      BTW before anybody asks......I do around $25-35k a month...all online...and I love it.


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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Deegan
    For every one criticizing the dude,etc...why not offer help or advice he might be able to actually use or act upon.

    Many people who try starting a business or working for themselves go through this every now and then. The key is getting through the tuff times.

    I recommend reading Pyscho-Cybernetics By Maxwell Maltz and following the exercises in the book every day for at least 20-30 minutes (if not more). They work great (from personal experience) in helping to keep a positive attitude and in developing perseverance.

    P.S. Also pick a niche or topic you enjoy and have some passion in. This alone can make the world of difference.

    Much love,
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    • Profile picture of the author feedtherightwolf
      Originally Posted by Daniel Deegan View Post

      For every one criticizing the dude,etc...why not offer help or advice he might be able to actually use or act upon.

      Many people who try starting a business or working for themselves go through this every now and then. The key is getting through the tuff times.

      I recommend reading Pyscho-Cybernetics By Maxwell Maltz and following the exercises in the book every day for at least 20-30 minutes (if not more). They work great (from personal experience) in helping to keep a positive attitude and in developing perseverance.

      P.S. Also pick a niche or topic you enjoy and have some passion in. This alone can make the world of difference.

      Much love,
      Daniel D.
      Thanks, I'll check out the book.
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    just keep on trying...
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  • Profile picture of the author Phil Miller
    You just have to keep going you have to have an upbeat attitude about IM or you will probably never make it.
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  • Profile picture of the author LocoDice
    Hey mate,

    Here is my advice.

    For some reason ever since I left high school I was super obsessed with running my own online business. I had a thing about not working for others, and I felt I was 'losing' if I 'gave in' and got a regular full time job.

    So what happened? I've spent a lot of my 20's nearly flat broke working on one big internet 'startup', with not enough money to do the most basic things but often too proud to throw it all in and just get a job. I'd be working crazy hours, while I watched a lot of my friends who just went and worked normal hours do very well for themselves at their jobs. Yes, I did hit on some money throughout my 20's here and there but it was few and far between and I've had many more lean years than good years.

    However, after experiencing life with making a decent amount of money from going to a job Monday-Friday, I absolutely 100% refuse to go back to that lifestyle where I can't even afford to do basic things.

    So I decided to hit the 'reset' button, and now what I do is I spend a certain amount of time most evenings on internet marketing activities. Personally I chose 90 minutes. I put in this amount of time 4-5 days a week and make sure I carry through.

    Now what I am being disciplined enough to do, while I work during the day I'm making internet marketing 'prove itself' financially before I would consider leaving it for my regular income. I think it is absolutely bananas for those people who leave their regularly paying job and jump into IM when they have never made a penny.

    Spend a little bit of time each day, learn from your experiments and give yourself a decent runway as far as time goes. It *might* take months, year or so before you can make decent regular money (Do not listen to the get rich quick guys here, easy come easy go! Slow and steady wins the race). I am not saying that I do not believe it is possible to make big bucks online, but you have to work up to it.

    But after that time you will have learnt some fundamental skills that you can apply for the rest of your life to make passive income. That is pretty powerful stuff!

    And if you are lost as to the next steps, you are in luck! The new 30 Day Challenge renamed to challenge.co is starting. Follow through with it every day and I guarantee you will have added so much value on to your skill set.

    Good luck.
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      Originally Posted by mkterbynite View Post

      Hey mate,

      And if you are lost as to the next steps, you are in luck! The new 30 Day Challenge renamed to challenge.co is starting. Follow through with it every day and I guarantee you will have added so much value on to your skill set.

      Good luck.
      I couldn't agree more with this. I've been through the 30 day challenge and it's a great way to systematically learn how to make money online.

      It's totally free and you can move forward at your own pace learning as you go. I think it starts in July this year.
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    • Profile picture of the author feedtherightwolf
      Originally Posted by mkterbynite View Post

      Hey mate,

      Here is my advice.

      For some reason ever since I left high school I was super obsessed with running my own online business. I had a thing about not working for others, and I felt I was 'losing' if I 'gave in' and got a regular full time job.

      So what happened? I've spent a lot of my 20's nearly flat broke working on one big internet 'startup', with not enough money to do the most basic things but often too proud to throw it all in and just get a job. I'd be working crazy hours, while I watched a lot of my friends who just went and worked normal hours do very well for themselves at their jobs. Yes, I did hit on some money throughout my 20's here and there but it was few and far between and I've had many more lean years than good years.

      However, after experiencing life with making a decent amount of money from going to a job Monday-Friday, I absolutely 100% refuse to go back to that lifestyle where I can't even afford to do basic things.

      So I decided to hit the 'reset' button, and now what I do is I spend a certain amount of time most evenings on internet marketing activities. Personally I chose 90 minutes. I put in this amount of time 4-5 days a week and make sure I carry through.

      Now what I am being disciplined enough to do, while I work during the day I'm making internet marketing 'prove itself' financially before I would consider leaving it for my regular income. I think it is absolutely bananas for those people who leave their regularly paying job and jump into IM when they have never made a penny.

      Spend a little bit of time each day, learn from your experiments and give yourself a decent runway as far as time goes. It *might* take months, year or so before you can make decent regular money (Do not listen to the get rich quick guys here, easy come easy go! Slow and steady wins the race). I am not saying that I do not believe it is possible to make big bucks online, but you have to work up to it.

      But after that time you will have learnt some fundamental skills that you can apply for the rest of your life to make passive income. That is pretty powerful stuff!

      And if you are lost as to the next steps, you are in luck! The new 30 Day Challenge renamed to challenge.co is starting. Follow through with it every day and I guarantee you will have added so much value on to your skill set.

      Good luck.
      Very good pointers, I signed up for the challenge
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Tees
    Just about everyone has been there at one time or another. It starts to seem as though low wage workers actually earn more than you in the long run. There are times when $10.50 an hour actually seems like pretty decent money, especially when you are just starting out, working harder than people who seem to have success gravitate toward them and getting nothing to show for it. You have to keep at it in some form or fashion, if you have to take the low wage job take it but keep at the internet marketing. Having another source of income could actually help in terms of investing in your business so that perhaps someday you’ll be able to quit your day job and run your business full time. And hopefully you’ll be in a place where you’ll never have to work for someone else or even entertain that possibility again. Hey the low wage job may actually motivate you to work harder in your IM business so you can get the hell out of there.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post


    ... this dream of making money online,

    Does anybody else feel like that?
    feedtherightwolf,

    "..and still somehow, it's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds at all." Joni Mitchell- Lyrics from Both Sides Now.

    It has to do with UNDERSTANDING the dream. The purpose. The well defined INTENT.

    And that is where so many people get lost. They lack a WELL DEFINED INTENT.

    They lack Clarity of purpose. Lack of understanding.

    And, yet, the "dream" goes on.

    Success, even if they won't admit to it, is most often achieved when FOCUS meets FOUNDATION meets FRAMEWORK.

    Ask yourself what your FOCUS is? What is the foundation it is built upon? What Framework do you use?

    I see people COMPLICATING the steps, trying to start at the top without getting some quick success they can build upon.

    Question: Do MOST addicts, of any kind, really want to stop their addictive behavior? At what point does the WANT come into place?

    Just my opinion, but your web site is addressing the wrong target audience. UNLESS you have some specific TARGETED traffic generation system in place, and I can tell from your post, you don't.

    My best advice is to go back to square one and get your FOCUS, YOUR PURPOSE and a clearly defined outcome...get it WRITTEN down and then go from there.

    I suggest you write a "White Paper" on your subject, something you can give away for free, or as an opt in...on how to help people overcome their addiction...targeted toward friends, family and SPOUSES, mainly wives, who are losing their husband to the online supply of stimulation.

    You need to RE THINK what you are doing, you've gotten some good advice here, hope you actually USE it. Good luck.

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      • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
        Everyone has, at one time in his/her life, felt depressed and discouraged by the challenges facing them. With your background, you've seen it in other people as well. Each person had to confront it in his/her own way. Some came out on the other side, some didn't. And there is no "one size fits all" solution.
        Having said that, I'll use my own experiences. Without dwelling on those times, what helped me the most was taking a long hard look at where I was, deciding where I truly wanted to go, and then researching until I had a road map of not only where to go, but how to get there. I have never seen a better source of information than on this forum, and some of the members posting a reply to you have had some good, positive suggestions. You should take a look at them, and consider implementing them, putting your own personal spin on them.
        You will find that taking positive, well-thought-out steps will lead, not necessarily to big victories, but to some truly satisfying small victories. And you'll see your mindset change (for the better) at the same time.

        Good Luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    At least with your job, you can put a little money into IM until it becomes big enough for you to finally quit. That's what I plan on doing after 2 months of getting nowhere.

    Best of luck to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author j2dak86
    Hang in there and just keep pushing yourself. I've been there myself. I haven't seen big success but I just got my 4th sale today. Just keep the wheel turning, it takes time as I have found out so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author madhatseo
    For just $499 in three easy installations, I can cure you of those problems and give you the millions of dollars and mansion you are dreaming of. Unleash the Secret Slinky - get the video and attend the seminar. Walk on coal. Believe you can do anything.

    Success is part skill, hard work, perseverance, attitude and plenty of luck. You can only hope to make yourself able to be in the position to take advantage of good things when they go your way. Everyone has high and low moments. It's a part of nature and the natural cycle.

    Don't listen to the highly critical, conceited cyberclowns. Some of them will tell you how rich they are and they are full of it. Some of them are wealthy and think it all revolves just around brains and how easily they forget when they were in a bad position once before and having a difficult time finding the right place.

    The best advice I can say is... take a break. Recharge. Think whether this is something you really like doing and feel you can do very well. Are there things you know you can do better? Are there things you enjoy more? Perhaps you should pursue those even if they seem not to make as much money. But if you want to succeed and deep down feel you are capable, then deal with the tough moments, take a break, go on a great invigorating jog, bicycle ride... whatever. Then get back to work plugging away and wait a little longer for that moment when you can jump at when it appears.

    Best of luck and give it your all once again to ride that horse.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Corners
    I'll keep this short, but I know how you feel, I've been there. Tried many ways to make money online at the same time and got burned out.

    But I've seen the light, so to speak, and now am on my way to making some serious money by flipping domains.

    Just find something that works for you and stick with it, and don't give up!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Tees
    The phrase “Results May Vary.” definitely applies to this industry. Some people succeed almost effortlessly while other struggle in vain with nothing to show for it. There isn’t really any difference between those struggling and those succeeding. The ones who are struggling often want/need this just as badly if not more than those who are succeeding. The same methods are often employed in the same manner, but the results are different. These days its seems as though trying to “make it.” in this business is like trying to make it in professional sports or in Hollywood. To some people its a dream come true but to others its merely just a dream and will never be anything more.

    Like others have said simply find something that works for you and keep at it. It might just be a case of you not pursuing the right opportunity, or using the right methods.
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  • Profile picture of the author contactscape
    @feedtherightwolf:

    We've all been where you feel you are right now, there is no shortcut in the Internet Marketing Industry. It's a lot of strenuous, consistent and well-executed effort.

    There are many levels of work you need to do, and quite aggressively, to get your footing right in this market. First and foremost, don't let the "Gurus" influence you into thinking its easy pickings. That's absolute rubbish. These gurus are not all making anything close to the millions they are constantly advertising that they are, only some of them are and that's because they have worked consistently over the years to build their reputation as well as their client lists.

    I would advise you to do the following and stick to it religiously:

    1. Select a Niche Market for yourself, one that you feel you would enjoy working in. e.g. Health and Fitness, or SEO, or whatever.

    2. You need to build yourself a list of prospects by throwing a few products (even if they aren't yours, you can just promote other peoples' products if you like) and optin pages. It is CRUCIAL that you start building a list.

    And don't let anyone tell you that list marketing is easy, it isn't. It is quick if you are calculated and use the right strategies and tools to build your list, otherwise it is dreadedly slow.

    Keep in touch with your prospects, even if your list has a total of 2 people on it. Just keep in touch with them, make sure you build a relationship with your prospects and as your list grows, you can begin slowly promoting offers, or whatever else you want to send to them.

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    Internet Marketing is a tough business, but it is extremely lucrative if you do it right.

    I can vouch for that. I've seen the days of $0.00 and days with those zeros at the other end of numbers too. It's taken over 8 years. So I say again, it's not easy, it takes time and relentless effort,

    but you do eventually get to a comfortable spot

    Hope that helps~

    Cheers,
    Ange

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    Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post

    I am kind of depressed with all the internet marketing thing. I know it is just me not doing the right things, but it just feels like no matter what I do I will never make any kind of money doing this... I don't even try to make any money now, just get some, any targeted traffic for the keywords that I choose...

    I feel like I am just lying to myself, making up this dream of making money online, but I should just go out and get a minimum wage job, because it will allow me to earn way more for my time, than I am making now...

    Does anybody else feel like that?
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwhite
    On the days where it seems like nothing is moving and im spinning my wheels,
    I remember the principal of Kaizen--
    incremental changes, over time have a great effect in the long run. (From Wikipedia)
    Kaizen (Japanese for "improvement" or "change for the better") refers to philosophy or practices that focus upon continuous improvement of processes in manufacturing, engineering, supporting business processes, and management. It has been applied in healthcare, government, banking, and many other industries. When used in the business sense and applied to the workplace, kaizen refers to activities that continually improve all functions, and involves all employees from the CEO to the assembly line workers. It also applies to processes, such as purchasing and logistics, that cross organizational boundaries into the supply chain.[1] By improving standardized activities and processes, kaizen aims to eliminate waste.
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  • Profile picture of the author Plish
    Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post

    I am kind of depressed with all the internet marketing thing. I know it is just me not doing the right things, but it just feels like no matter what I do I will never make any kind of money doing this... I don't even try to make any money now, just get some, any targeted traffic for the keywords that I choose...

    I feel like I am just lying to myself, making up this dream of making money online, but I should just go out and get a minimum wage job, because it will allow me to earn way more for my time, than I am making now...

    Does anybody else feel like that?
    If you have a passion for this stuff then go and work for a company, big or small. Get some more experience, work with some seriously good mentors and get stuck in. Once you've gone through that you'll be in a much better position to work on your own.

    Head up, keep going!
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    • Profile picture of the author Claudiu Baciu
      There is one thing I could add here, no matter your job or the circumstances do not give up, if you wish so much to make money online, sooner or later you will succeed... but if you quit you will never succeed...and trust me I've been there and many others will be there so... don't forget this thing..and in fact u should always have it in mind: "be persistent"
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  • Profile picture of the author BonganiS
    Allow your set goals to be your guide in making money instead of your feelings. Everyone does have some unfavorable feelings at times. But your dreams should drive you. What is important is to keep on doing what will make you get the money you want. Optimize your IM business and get traffic that will convert to sales of whatever you are selling or promoting. Success is not built in a short space of time. Be patient and do what you need to do. When you are down, just count all your blessings and achievements in life and your feelings will start changing.
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