"Wordpress" vs "XsitePro"

reapr

14 years ago

Interesting ....

I had better results with Wordpress and since create all my sites with wordpress and it is free.

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bush

14 years ago

Wordpress does have its advantages. It depends on what type of website you are looking for. Wordpress is free, you pay if you require some plugins and widgets.

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reapr 14 years ago

Actually most plugins are free at least the ones I use. I have purchased a few premium plugins along the way that have paid back several times or more.

Not to mention the variety of free templates there must be thousands.

Wordpress is easier to work with in my opinion.
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- reapr 14 years ago
  
  After running this through Market Samurai it looks like BuildProfessionalWebsite dot com has a little more competition on the first page of google and that being considered looks like wordpress does a real good job. It also competes with more PR backlinks and sites that are more optimized for that term than the xsitepro site has including older domains and more sites listed in Yahoo Directory.
  
  Looks like Wordpress may be the winner here!
  
  What would be interesting is if you could switch sites and see what one comes ahead and where in the results.
  
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bush

14 years ago

Thanks for response intresting on the competition side never look at that!!

"What would be interesting is if you could switch sites and see what one comes ahead and where in the results"
Not to sure if you mean this, load Professional onto xsitepro and pro onto wordpress.

I would also like to give them a bit more time to see how they do.

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reapr

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bush

Thanks for response intresting on the competition side never look at that!!

"What would be interesting is if you could switch sites and see what one comes ahead and where in the results"
Not to sure if you mean this, load Professional onto xsitepro and pro onto wordpress.

I would also like to give them a bit more time to see how they do.

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Switch domain names with the sites but I would avoid that.

I would probably try a backlink campaign on each with same number of backlinks.

As the sites sit I would personally stay a bit longer at the wordpress site due to the aesthetics/color and the look of WP is familiar. What would be more interesting long term is the CTR!

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Eugene Koh

14 years ago

If you frequently update your website, wordpress is the way to go.

However i have had success with xsitepro websites that rank number 1 in the serps as well, which I don't update at all.

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

I was going to weigh in but I should say I've never used Xsite. But that's because Wordpress is the best and free, and paying to use the second best seems silly. Wordpress with proper SEO configuration will beat anything. It's 70% SEO'd out of the box. Use SEO Tweaks plugin, run it once and deactivate it, and you're 99% there aside from adding your own content and keywords. There's no contest, even by your comparison, because the slightly better performance of xsite doesn't justify the difference in price.

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PaulBaranowski 14 years ago

My 2 cents:

- 14 days is too early for any comparisons because of the phenomenon
known as Google dance
- wordpress's main advantage is it has so many free addons/pugins
available and some of the paid ones really kick ass SEO-wise.

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- ~kev~ 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by PaulBaranowski
  
  My 2 cents:
  
  - 14 days is too early for any comparisons because of the phenomenon
  known as Google dance
  
  Exactly, lets wait 6 - 12 months and then lets see where the sites rank.
  
  14 days aint nothing when your working on a long term web project.
  
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reapr

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

I was going to weigh in but I should say I've never used Xsite. But that's because Wordpress is the best and free, and paying to use the second best seems silly.

Interesting ... you have never used it but call it second best. I would not call it silly to use it some people enjoy the support of paid products.

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by reapr

Interesting ... you have never used it but call it second best. I would not call it silly to use it some people enjoy the support of paid products.

That's a fair criticism, but I base that on how Xsite distorts the nature of Wordpress in their own marketing materials. It comes off much the same as when Microsoft distorts the nature of Linux.

Their own marketing materials are telling me a story based on facts I know that they are presuming I don't. That, to me, is more telling than my having to get hands-on experience.

Paid support is good, yes. But you can essentially get that with Wordpress too via a paid theme, and it would be cheaper.

But you're right, I worded that poorly - I shouldn't be so specific when I don't have the direct experience. But I think the factors I pointed out are still valid.

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reapr

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

That's a fair criticism, but I base that on how Xsite distorts the nature of Wordpress in their own marketing materials. It comes off much the same as when Microsoft distorts the nature of Linux.

Their own marketing materials are telling me a story based on facts I know that they are presuming I don't. That, to me, is more telling than my having to get hands-on experience.

Paid support is good, yes. But you can essentially get that with Wordpress too via a paid theme, and it would be cheaper.

But you're right, I worded that poorly - I shouldn't be so specific when I don't have the direct experience. But I think the factors I pointed out are still valid.

Well many of your points appear to be right on. With WP and a few free plugins such as All In One SEO and a good sitemaps plugin it really can't be beat besides users would not have to pay for an update anytime soon. As you mentioned themes can have an effect. When digging around for a theme I will look at code to see how it was done up before using.

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cruisinman

14 years ago

I have never built a site. Can I use wordpress today and have a site live tomorrow?

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

I was going to weigh in but I should say I've never used Xsite. But that's because Wordpress is the best and free, and paying to use the second best seems silly. Wordpress with proper SEO configuration will beat anything. It's 70% SEO'd out of the box. Use SEO Tweaks plugin, run it once and deactivate it, and you're 99% there aside from adding your own content and keywords. There's no contest, even by your comparison, because the slightly better performance of xsite doesn't justify the difference in price.

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bush 14 years ago

Yes, you can load word press from cpanel. Once you have bought your domain and got it hosted.

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Vlad Shelest 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

Use SEO Tweaks plugin, run it once and deactivate it, and you're 99% there aside from adding your own content and keywords.

Colin,

You mentioned this plugin way back in the thread (I'm a latecomer) and I'm just curious to have a look at it. Is the actual name of the plugin Wordpress Tweaks?

I am for WP by the way, having used both platforms, to me there is no contest. Personally I'd probably prefer to use WP even if it wasn't free, which it is.
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JonMills

14 years ago

It varies I have sites that kick ass with xsitepro and others with wordpress.

And there are a number I dont even update, they just sit there

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Colin Theriot 14 years ago

Originally Posted by JonMills

It varies I have sites that kick ass with xsitepro and others with wordpress.

And there are a number I dont even update, they just sit there

So considering that both work, is the pricetag on Xsite justifiable though?

I mean, you can get Wordpress plus even spend like $200 on a dev license for a professional theme like Thesis, that you can use over and over, and it's still cheaper than Xsite pro.

My opinion would be different if it wasn't so expensive, and also, they didn't distort so much in their marketing info to make it look better than Wordpress when it's really not.

As it stands right now, it's definitely, obviously overpriced for what it is and what it does. It's far from a good buy. Would anyone disagree? Anyone who is experienced in both?

I don't know anyone that's used wordpress who had then used Xsite and gone on to say "I'm not going back". I know a lot of people who say the opposite. My view may be skewed though, so I ask:

As someone who has used both, which are you most likely to use again?
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Sandycmy

14 years ago

WordPress 3.0 is real good --- the question is do x-site pro compete with all future updates like wordpress.

Is x-site pro a CMS ?

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sqnwk

14 years ago

I've used been a fan of wordpress largely because of the plugins and ease of use

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Pluton

14 years ago

I use both xSitePro and Wordpress.
I find the XSP sites are easy to put together but that the WP sites, from an SEO angle are better.
I carried out a similar experiment about 18 months ago using the same URL, one .org and the other .net , one WP and the other XSP.
The WP was indexed almost immediately and the XSP followed some 24 hrs later.
The content on each was the same. Within a very short period of time they both appeared on the 1st page on Google but the XSP was some 3 places behind the WP.
Generally I find the WP sites perform better than XSP SEO wise consequently most of my sites are prepared using WP.
Very often I use a WP "front end" and link to XSP pages on the same domain.

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Louise Green

14 years ago

No question about it, as most people agree, Wordpress is superior.

Plus it comes ready with 1-click installs with most hosting accounts, you can't ask for a better platform.

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Wakunahum 14 years ago

The problem with these experiments is that you could get very different results based on the theme of each site that you use.

Some could be better for SEO while others are horrible for it even using the exact same content management systems.

The code on the page and the content on the page has more to do with on page SEO than what system is putting together the code for you.
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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bush

Very interesting... After 14 days from submitting these two new website to 3 popular search engines, research experiment i did for myself. These are the results

BuildProfessionalWebsite.com wordpress
BuildProWebsite.com XsitePro

* = position

Do a broad phrase word search. On build professional website & build pro website.
Check broad phrase Position on different search engines.
build pro website, chrome 6 *, Internet explore.au 4 *, Internet explore.com 3 *. firefox.au 1 *
build professional website, chrome 1 *, Internet explore.au page 3, *8. Internet explore.com page 2, * 8. firefox.au page 2, * 12

XsitePro is the leader.

All the best
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This comparison/research experiment, implies that either piece of software has the ability to magically or automatically obtain high rankings in the SERPs in and of themselves. Any seasoned SEO pro knows that is not the case.

In terms of comparing them, that's a moot point because:

(a). "ALL" websites are not going to run under a "Blog" platform, and...
(b). "ALL" sites are not going to be static, and...
(c). "ALL" sites are not going to run under a vBulletin platform, and...
(d). "ALL" all sites are not going to run under a eCommerce platform, and..
(e). "ALL" sites are not going to run under a Joomla, Pligg, etc., etc.

Some sites work well as a Blog platform while others simply do not. The key is to be able to know which site works better with which platform. For example, the WF would not work as WordPress Blog platform. It is better suited for a vBulletin platform. Comprende?

Although the thought and intent was great, hopefully, no noobies will take this comparison/research experiment to mean anything of SEO Off Page value. Either WordPress or XSitePro will net you a website; it's up to you to market that site and neither of those applications will get you to page 1 of the SERPs (in competitive markets and niches) unless you put in the Off Page SEO to get the J-O-B done!

P.S. Bush, word of advice, NEVER post keyword phrases you are attempting to rank for - on ANY forum! Lest you want to invite 100s maybe even 1000s of new competitors vying for those phrases that you would not have had otherwise.

Giles, the Crew Chief

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Chris Grable

14 years ago

Crew Chief,

Your posts are always.... informative and authoritative. Thanks for being a voice of reason.... most of all though... Thanks for your service!

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

This comparison/research experiment, implies that either piece of software has the ability to magically or automatically obtain high rankings in the SERPs in and of themselves. Any seasoned SEO pro knows that is not the case.

In terms of comparing them, that's a moot point because:

(a). "ALL" websites are not going to run under a "Blog" platform, and...
(b). "ALL" sites are not going to be static, and...
(c). "ALL" sites are not going to run under a vBulletin platform, and...
(d). "ALL" all sites are not going to run under a eCommerce platform, and..
(e). "ALL" sites are not going to run under a Joomla, Pligg, etc., etc.

Some sites work well as a Blog platform while others simply do not. The key is to be able to know which site works better with which platform. For example, the WF would not work as WordPress Blog platform. It is better suited for a vBulletin platform. Comprende?

Although the thought and intent was great, hopefully, no noobies will take this comparison/research experiment to mean anything of SEO Off Page value. Either WordPress or XSitePro will net you a website; it's up to you to market that site and neither of those applications will get you to page 1 of the SERPs (in competitive markets and niches) unless you put in the Off Page SEO to get the J-O-B done!

P.S. Bush, word of advice, NEVER post keyword phrases you are attempting to rank for - on ANY forum! Lest you want to invite 100s maybe even 1000s of new competitors vying for those phrases that you would not have had otherwise.

Giles, the Crew Chief

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Grable

Crew Chief,

Your posts are always.... informative and authoritative. Thanks for being a voice of reason.... most of all though... Thanks for your service!

Chris, thanks for the commendation!

IMHO, I believe the WF is a great place to learn IM, hone your IM skills and get the insights you need to become a top tier IMer. My thing is being able to contribute to that end.

To your success!

Giles, the Crew Chief

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bush

14 years ago

I must admit this is my 6 xsitepro website and first wordpress website. There are most properly heaps of extra teaks than can be done to both, and content.
Educating myself, this is after 10 months of study. So i am pretty green at most topics.

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Kahunka

14 years ago

Crew Chief hit the nail squarely on the head.

I've been building sites for years many of which are at number one for their keyword or near the top and in my experience it absolutely makes no difference if the site is dynamic like WP or static like XSP.

I've built plenty of both types of sites.

I have a amateurish looking but fairly decent SEO optimized static Forex site I built with Front Page years ago that continues to rank in the top three positions for a couple of very competitive Forex keywords.

That poor neglected site has not been updated in over a year.

In my experience it is not the platform that determines how the site ranks rather how well it is built.

Which platform is the easiest and fastest for building QUALITY niche sites?

By far XSP, in my experience.

It's hard for me to imagine anyone who has actually used both would feel any different but I guess it's like comparing two different car models, they'll both get you to the same place it's just a matter of which options you'll enjoy the most during the trip.

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Joseph Then

14 years ago

Sorry guys but I'm a fan of XSitePro. I have over 50+ websites running on XSitePro and only 10+ on Wordpress.

I can do the almost everything in XSitePro that you can find in Wordpress.

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Ryan D

Banned 14 years ago

I've gotten away from XSITEPRO just because I like web-based programs a lot better.

From a ranking perspective, it doesn't matter. THe keys to ranking (keywords in title tag, body copy, link text) are things that the user is inputting.

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fortress

14 years ago

Wordpress is free to use. It is available to download and install anytime. Although some plugins are not free to use, there are some that are free. I like wordpress because it is easy to manage. I've been using it since then.

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Hortensia

14 years ago

I like both.

Wordpress is great, but not so long ago my webhost was messing around with php, and changed something in the .htaccess file, making all my pages 404.

What I don't like about wordpress is the continuing updates.
I like to make sites handsfree, not having to nanny them all the time.

So with wordpress you're depending on third parties.

A great advantage of xsp is that you can easily upload your site to another host, or another url. In case of emergency it's quick. Being versatile is important, as is being independent.

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Hortensia

I like both.

Wordpress is great, but not so long ago my webhost was messing around with php, and changed something in the .htaccess file, making all my pages 404.

What I also don't like about wordpress is the continuing updates.
I like to make sites handsfree, not having to nanny them all the time.

A great advantage of xsp is that you can easily upload your site to another host. In case of emergency it's quick.

If you do regular backups of your wordpress database (which with a plugin, you can automate so it actually emails interval backups to wherever you like) you can save your site just as easily, and re-create it with little trouble, and very quickly.

Just saying, that's not necessarily an "advantage" Xsite has.

And if your host messes with your site, that's a host's problem, and they'll mess with any site, not just wordpress. I'd find a new host.

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Hortensia 14 years ago

Well Colin.

I can clearly see your point. Also I do like wp, and have a few succesful sites.

I can only advise you to test xsp for yourself.
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14 years ago

Wordpress is darling

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Bruce NewMedia

14 years ago

I have both, and use both.

WP is faster to set stuff up, but I am bothered by the ease that it can be hacked.
XsitePro sites while not as fast to get indexed (generally) seem to hold their rankings better down the road.....ymmv
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hjaynes

14 years ago

I love XSitePro and haven't used WP enough to have an opinion on it yet, although I know tons of people swear by it and use it heavily. I DO know though if someone is going to complain about a product only because it costs $200 must not be making enough money doing internet marketing. I am not suggesting someone not watch out for their money, just don't be cheap in doing this business if at all possible.

To quote Zig Ziglar: "Why settle for the get-by when in the long run, the good always costs less"...

If you're going to do a lot of updating and blogging, XSP is probably not the way to go... I like XSP because it's pretty much ready to go right out of the virtual the box and I don't have to do a add a lot of plugins and the like. My time is worth more than any cost of a product.

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by hjaynes

I love XSitePro and haven't used WP enough to have an opinion on it yet, although I know tons of people swear by it and use it heavily. I DO know though if someone is going to complain about a product only because it costs $200 must not be making enough money doing internet marketing. I am not suggesting someone not watch out for their money, just don't be cheap in doing this business if at all possible.

To quote Zig Ziglar: "Why settle for the get-by when in the long run, the good always costs less"...

If you're going to do a lot of updating and blogging, XSP is probably not the way to go... I like XSP because it's pretty much ready to go right out of the virtual the box and I don't have to do a add a lot of plugins and the like. My time is worth more than any cost of a product.

Again, your point is marred by the fact that your lack of knowledge of what's possible with Wordpress makes your view skewed. The same methods used to properly back up your wordpress website also allow you to make a "standard" template of whatever themes, plugins and tweaks you may like to have as an instant set up for a new blog.

The strength of wordpress is the plugins that extend functionality. The setup makes it so that ANY customization anyone does for ANY purpose can be created as an option for ANY OTHER USER. The fact that you need to "add some plugins" to it isn't a weakness.

Yes, you DO need to add some to make it as SEO ready as Xsite out of the box, but that's only because the MAIN user of WP is NOT SEO savvy the way Xsite is. If Xsite wasn't marketer friendly, no one would buy it. We ARE the target audience. Not so for WP.

However, the same plugin system that allows WP to "catch up" to Xsite, actually allows it to exceed Xsite in ANY POSSIBLE WAY you can think of. Because I can hire someone to write a mod or plugin to do LITERALLY anything you can think of, and I still get to keep the ease of updating that is the point of Wordpress.

Here's a thought - maybe an Xsite user can help. If I create a site for a client, can I make it so they can update their own site with in-house staff if I use Xsite?

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eaglechick

14 years ago

Hi Colin

I'm an X-Site Pro fan, just about to start using Wordpress. If someone is not a very technical person X-Site Pro is a breeze to work with, but nowadays WP is so much easier. I can honestly say that XSP is very easy to use, you can change header graphics, fonts, colors, insert images etc. with a few clicks.

Add Adsense, Amazon with a few clicks, create a sitemap etc. I've learned how to use XSP from Mark Ling (Affillo Blueprint) and made my first internet sales. As far as ranking goes I don't think it matters if it's XSP or WP - but I've got a nr 1 and 2 ranking for 2 keywords and 3, 4 and 6 separate rankings for some other keywords with my wedding site.

I'm sure Wordpress is going to be awesome once I know how to operate it and I'm sure social bookmarking is a lot easier with WP and then there is all the plugins you can use to ease your workload.

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hjaynes

14 years ago

I'm sure WP is the bomb... and I'm sure if you hired a coder you could get it to whistle a tune too... I just prefer it to making sales copy websites and I would have paid $1,000 for it. It's really not a realistic comparison between the two of them. I am POSITIVE that WP is superior to XSP in certain aspects. They both would be torture to use if you wanted to try and create a site like an eBay or Amazon. Having done my first site sixteen years ago on NotePad, I like a program that will tell me my site sucks when I finish it and tell me what to do to it not to make it suck. I personally want to learn to be proficient with WP also, just not on sales copy sites where there will be little changes done to the site, other than off site optimizing

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by hjaynes

I'm sure WP is the bomb... and I'm sure if you hired a coder you could get it to whistle a tune too... I just prefer it to making sales copy websites and I would have paid $1,000 for it. It's really not a realistic comparison between the two of them. I am POSITIVE that WP is superior to XSP in certain aspects. They both would be torture to use if you wanted to try and create a site like an eBay or Amazon. Having done my first site sixteen years ago on NotePad, I like a program that will tell me my site sucks when I finish it and tell me what to do to it not to make it suck. I personally want to learn to be proficient with WP also, just not on sales copy sites where there will be little changes done to the site, other than off site optimizing

See, that's a good criticism without misrepresenting the other side.

BUT, I want to encourage you to get into Wordpress as soon as you can, because I like using it for salesletter sites too, even if it's NOT going to be a blog. It's just a lot easier to work with - I can log in and change or update it from any computer anywhere.

Anyways, thanks for clarifying.

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propecon

14 years ago

Hi Buddy!
Use this tool for word press and you are sure to create 30+ blogs in less then 2 hours. I may have exaggerated a little, because if you are a beginner, then it may take a little longer than 2 hours to create 30 blogs. But once you get a hang of it. You will pump these sites within minutes!

Is it necessary? If your business focus on niche marketing, then this is golden!

Extremely useful and a very smart WP plugin.

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rs2228

14 years ago

Originally Posted by propecon

Hi Buddy!
Use this tool for word press and you are sure to create 30+ blogs in less then 2 hours. I may have exaggerated a little, because if you are a beginner, then it may take a little longer than 2 hours to create 30 blogs. But once you get a hang of it. You will pump these sites within minutes!

Is it necessary? If your business focus on niche marketing, then this is golden!

Extremely useful and a very smart WP plugin.

What tool?

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Paul Buckley

14 years ago

I build websites for offline clients. I use WP a lot for these sites, especially if the client wants a CMS and/or to self-manage it to any extent.

I also build HTML/CSS sites for some purposes.

I occasionally use XSP for my own sites but never for a client.

For ease of use and nearly infinite adaptability, WP is far and away the best choice.

My main nitpicks with WP is that it is NOT as easy or simple to work on the site offline and then just FTP your work to the site nor is it a simple task to move a WP site to another host. Both of these are doable with WP, just not as easily as with HTML/CSS or XSP.

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Hortensia 14 years ago

I don't think that I would use wordpress to build sites for clients, because of the 'nanny' aspect.

That is my main objection against wordpress: the perpetual updates, plugins that change over time, the handling of comments, the hacking.

Wordpress is absolutely not set and forget, and that's a serious problem if you have a ton of sites, or build sites for clients.

Then I have checked the search engine love and my results show that wordpress is showing faster results but only for the short term. In time of say two years blogs don't hold their ranking as good as xsite pro, unless you do continuous updates and backlinking.

That is exactly that I don't want.

Wordpress is a job. It never stops.

My conclusion knowing both platforms real well: for a while I've been listening to all the wp yes men, but now I'm going back to static for most of my sites.

I only use wordpress [have a look at the theme by the way!] when I really want to set up a blog for the social aspect, to interact.
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Bish

14 years ago

Why use one or the other?, I use both & often together. For example main niche site with sales page and lots of content built with XSP, then link to that with keyword orientated WP sites (easy to rank fast).

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eaglechick

14 years ago

Bish - yeah you've nailed it - you can use XSP and WP in complete synergy. I'm just about to create a main generic site with XSP and then a couple of specific niche related sites linking to the main site.

Good luck with this strategy I'm positive it will pay off!

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Monika Mundell

14 years ago

That's simple for me:

XSitePro for ease of use
XSitePro for quick affiliate, or Adsense sites
XSitePro for fuss-free marketing
XSitePro to get the CLICK

WordPress for SEO
WordPress for authority sites

I use both, and the biggest gripe I have with WP is the fact that I consistently have to update the software and the plugins. It sucks. XSitePro updates are less bothersome compared to WP and the software is a simple joy to work with.

If I had to choose between the two I would choose XSitePro over WordPress at this moment in time, no questions asked...

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Monika Mundell

I use both, and the biggest gripe I have with WP is the fact that I consistently have to update the software and the plugins. It sucks. XSitePro updates are less bothersome compared to WP and the software is a simple joy to work with.

First, no you don't. It asks you to, and in the case of security updates, you should. But you don't have to. In the case of client sites that are working well and installed properly for basic security, then you can use a plugin that turns off the upgrade alert. I have it on my own sites now, because I'm not ready to upgrade to v. 3.0 yet. I don't have to.

They DO consistently update and improve the software. That's not the same as you having to upgrade at all ever.

Second, It's just a couple of clicks, you can even set it up to just happen automatically with a plugin, just like your OS does without you even noticing. There's also a bulk plugin updater so you don't need to do them individually.

Third, I can't believe anyone here is actually complaining about how the software is constantly updated and improved by a vibrant and passionate community FOR FREE. I'm not singling you out, others have too.

And in the SAME BREATH, some folks even complain about how it gets hacked.

Look, this is how software WORKS. This is how it SHOULD work.

1. It's popular and installed on a lot of sites, therefore, it is an appealing target for hackers. This is a consequence of any popular installed software.

2. It's that exact some popularity and installed user base that ensures constant updating to thwart those same hackers.

3. The constant updating and securing against future hacks is how it KEEPS being popular and installed on so many sites.

Because if it got hacked and abandoned, people wouldn't use it anymore.

Also, 90% of the hacks out there have to do with people not taking even the most basic precautions with their Wordpress install, just as they don't take basic security measures on their personal computers themselves.

If you're a hacker, and you're targeting this kind of software, you're going to attack the default, pre-configured install that everyone uses. If you do things like install to a subdirectory, rename your databases, delete the default admin account and create one not called "admin", etc. etc. Simple stuff that's been the case from day 1, even for sites not based on Wordpress, I'm sure.

But you didn't talk about hackers specifically, so I don't want to digress too far down that road. Back to your original point:

Constantly updated FREE software does not "suck" but is actually "awesome" in every possible conceivable way. What you meant to say is "I don't like how it constantly ASKS me to update." Which is fine. Other people don't like to have to expend the energy it takes to ignore that blurb reminder either, which is why they made the plugin. I get it.

But the fact that it's constantly updated does not "suck" - in fact, the fact that the software KNOWS when it's out of date (which is the point of annoyance) ALSO does not suck.

Be aware - the "Upgrade Wordpress" isn't like a "Check Engine" light on your dashboard saying something's wrong. It's saying "hey, come get your free upgrades on even better software." It's like if you "Check Engine" light was a "Press this button, and the mechanics are going to come to your house and supe-up your engine for you FOR FREE."

As far as upgrades go, Xsite is on what, v6? Has the upgrade from one version to the next been free?

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Monika Mundell

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

First, no you don't. It asks you to, and in the case of security updates, you should. But you don't have to. In the case of client sites that are working well and installed properly for basic security, then you can use a plugin that turns off the upgrade alert. I have it on my own sites now, because I'm not ready to upgrade to v. 3.0 yet. I don't have to.

They DO consistently update and improve the software. That's not the same as you having to upgrade at all ever.

Second, It's just a couple of clicks, you can even set it up to just happen automatically with a plugin, just like your OS does without you even noticing. There's also a bulk plugin updater so you don't need to do them individually.

Third, I can't believe anyone here is actually complaining about how the software is constantly updated and improved by a vibrant and passionate community FOR FREE. I'm not singling you out, others have too.

And in the SAME BREATH, some folks even complain about how it gets hacked.

Look, this is how software WORKS. This is how it SHOULD work.

1. It's popular and installed on a lot of sites, therefore, it is an appealing target for hackers. This is a consequence of any popular installed software.

2. It's that exact some popularity and installed user base that ensures constant updating to thwart those same hackers.

3. The constant updating and securing against future hacks is how it KEEPS being popular and installed on so many sites.

Because if it got hacked and abandoned, people wouldn't use it anymore.

Also, 90% of the hacks out there have to do with people not taking even the most basic precautions with their Wordpress install, just as they don't take basic security measures on their personal computers themselves.

If you're a hacker, and you're targeting this kind of software, you're going to attack the default, pre-configured install that everyone uses. If you do things like install to a subdirectory, rename your databases, delete the default admin account and create one not called "admin", etc. etc. Simple stuff that's been the case from day 1, even for sites not based on Wordpress, I'm sure.

But you didn't talk about hackers specifically, so I don't want to digress too far down that road. Back to your original point:

Constantly updated FREE software does not "suck" but is actually "awesome" in every possible conceivable way. What you meant to say is "I don't like how it constantly ASKS me to update." Which is fine. Other people don't like to have to expend the energy it takes to ignore that blurb reminder either, which is why they made the plugin. I get it.

Hello Colin,

It seems you really took a personal disliking to my statement. First of all, I never complaint about WP. As a matter of fact, I did mention that I use both, and I actually happen to like the software.

I'm fully aware of the fact that the frequent updates are needed to protect the user against hackers. That wasn't even part of my post. I simply stated that I preferred XSitePro overall because of the ease of use, which is my opinion, my prerogative as a user, and my choice.

I happen to be very familiar with both platforms, having used them for years. I simply don't like the fact that without updating WP the software becomes more vulnerable to attacks, therefore you are basically forced to upgrade (albeit without actual force).

While I see where you are coming from with your view we just have to agree to disagree about the sucking part of doing constant updates.

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Monika Mundell

It seems you really took a personal disliking to my statement. First of all, I never complaint about WP. As a matter of fact, I did mention that I use both, and I actually happen to like the software.

I didn't take it personal - sorry if it seemed that way. I'm just passionate about correcting misinformation. But you're wrong again though - saying the upgrades "suck" is a complaint, no? That's what I was responding to.

Originally Posted by Monika Mundell

I'm fully aware of the fact that the frequent updates are needed to protect the user against hackers.

The frequent updates are hardly ever about security - mostly about adding features and improving performance. And again they aren't NEEDED, as I said in the first post.

Suggested, recommended, but not needed. Especially if you've set up your site's security well - which you should do even if your site's NOT on Wordpress.

Originally Posted by Monika Mundell

That's wasn't even part of my post. I simply stated that I preferred XSitePro overall because of the ease of use, which is my opinion, my prerogative as a user, and my choice.

Yeah, I acknowledged you weren't even talking about security, but upgrades are partially for security, so it came up. But again, you didn't just "simply state" you preferred Xsite pro - you said that the wordpress update thing sucked.

I was pointing out how it doesn't actually suck. If you'd "just simply stated" what you're saying above, I wouldn't have had anything to comment about.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion and prerogative. I just don't want someone to accidentally agree with you about constant updates being sucky instead of actually awesome like they are.

Originally Posted by Monika Mundell

I happen to be very familiar with both platforms, having used them for years. I simply don't like the fact that without updating WP the software becomes more vulnerable to attacks, therefore you are basically forced to upgrade (albeit without actual force).

Untrue - if you don't upgrade, the site is not MORE vulnerable - it's the same degree of vulnerable as it always was. You are never forced to upgrade. Force would imply the site would stop working if you didn't. There are still Wordpress 1.0 sites up and running in the wild that have never been hacked.

Originally Posted by Monika Mundell

While I see where you are coming from with your view we just have to agree to disagree about the sucking part of doing constant updates.

Hey sure. We can totally agree about how you insist on being wrong. I'm fine with that.

Even if wordpress had a new update every single day, you could take care of it with 2 clicks the very next time you logged in. Which now that I think about it, really is the suckiest suck that ever sucked a suck.

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Monika Mundell

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

I didn't take it personal - sorry if it seemed that way. I'm just passionate about correcting misinformation. But you're wrong again though - saying the upgrades "suck" is a complaint, no? That's what I was responding to.

The frequent updates are hardly ever about security - mostly about adding features and improving performance. And again they aren't NEEDED, as I said in the first post.

Suggested, recommended, but not needed. Especially if you've set up your site's security well - which you should do even if your site's NOT on Wordpress.

Yeah, I acknowledged you weren't even talking about security, but upgrades are partially for security, so it came up. But again, you didn't just "simply state" you preferred Xsite pro - you said that the wordpress update thing sucked.

I was pointing out how it doesn't actually suck. If you'd "just simply stated" what you're saying above, I wouldn't have had anything to comment about.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion and prerogative. I just don't want someone to accidentally agree with you about constant updates being sucky instead of actually awesome like they are.

Untrue - if you don't upgrade, the site is not MORE vulnerable - it's the same degree of vulnerable as it always was. You are never forced to upgrade. Force would imply the site would stop working if you didn't. There are still Wordpress 1.0 sites up and running in the wild that have never been hacked.

Hey sure. We can totally agree about how you insist on being wrong. I'm fine with that.

Even if wordpress had a new update every single day, you could take care of it with 2 clicks the very next time you logged in. Which now that I think about it, really is the suckiest suck that ever sucked a suck.

Hey, if it makes you feel better, let me say it Colin: You are right and I'm wrong!
There, did that help?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Monika Mundell

Hey, if it makes you feel better, let me say it Colin: You are right and I'm wrong!
There, did that help?

Peace

Monika, I think it did HELP, Colin even gave you a "Thanks!"

And now back to the regularly scheduled programming on XSitePro or WordPress...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

Monika, I think it did HELP, Colin even gave you a "Thanks!"

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LOL Giles, yep I saw that too. I simply decided to park my EGO in a corner and not waste time discussing something that we obviously both disagree on. Interestingly enough I just saw that Colin has actually never used XSitePro, but still insists on defending WP with the passion he has shown.

It's OK, no hard feelings here, I find it interesting to watch the arguments people display in their discussions.

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BobRenwick 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

Which now that I think about it, really is the suckiest suck that ever sucked a suck.

. . .From the department of things that you hardly ever see in print. (But really really quotable)

At any rate, I use both of these platforms and while I love XSitePro I started using Wordpress only because of all the hype and I felt I was missing out on something.

I've built several websites using each and it's tough to choose between the two.

With Wordpress I love the advantage of using All-in-one-SEO and not having to worry that I haven't done enough to optimize. With XSite you need to pay more attention to such details.

I do believe that once you've worked your way through the requisite manuals XSite is easier to use. Wordpress with it's many plugins may provide more flexibility and options although I haven't actually done an inventory.

A big advantage for Wordpress is the ability of visitors to leave comments which up until recently was not possible on XSitePro. There is now third party software available but it does require installation and configuration.

Bottom line is that I don't think you can go wrong either way and I'll probably continue to use both, with Wordpress being the choice for blogs and XSite or Wordpress for static websites.
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duia

14 years ago

Frankly speaking, I have never heard something about XsitePro before. But it is obvious that Wordpress does have its advantages than other softwares.

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RalphRobert 14 years ago

xsitepro is a website building tool like dreamweaver. Is that right?

WP is a blog creator tool. Both are different.

WP is SEO optimized and see a better fit for search engines. Anyone can use WP without much knowledge.

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Ray_Barnes

14 years ago

have u try'd concrete 5 as a wordpress alternative

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14 years ago

Here is what this thread has taught us thus far...

(a). Some people prefer XSitePro, and...

(b). Some people prefer WordPress

WOW! Now that's a stunning revelation!

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14 years ago

Wordpress is king!!! But of course it all depends on how you set up and utilise your website.

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Steven Downward

14 years ago

I have used both Wordpress and XSitePro and I have gotten sites to the first page with both. I think it really has to do with a lot of different factors and what the focus of the site is.

The one thing though is that Wordpress is free and can do a lot of different things.

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sabun

14 years ago

There's nothing to compare ... Wordpress is clearly the winner. It doesn't make any sense to think that a website will rank better just because it's made on xsitepro and not wordpress ...

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Marian

14 years ago

Isn't XsitePro "just" an HTML editor? WordPress is a complete CMS so I wouldn't compare those two.. You can't blog with XsitePro, can you?

I love WordPress, it's super easy to use and a great tool for all my business needs

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Joseph Then

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sabun

There's nothing to compare ... Wordpress is clearly the winner.

Don't give a conclusion just like that... You have no proof or stats or anything to declare a 'clear' winner.

Originally Posted by Marian

Isn't XsitePro "just" an HTML editor? WordPress is a complete CMS so I wouldn't compare those two.. You can't blog with XsitePro, can you?

I love WordPress, it's super easy to use and a great tool for all my business needs

Depending on how you use it, XSitePro is more than just HTML editor. It's can also act as a CMS. One main difference is of course Wordpress is web-based editing and XSitePro is client-based editing.

As I said, I prefer to use XSitePro and I have no problem running my 50+ websites from XSitePro. After working with 50+ websites, I find it easier to work with XSitePro than Wordpress and I can setup a XSitePro website faster than a Wordpress website.

That's just me. Maybe I'm more techie.

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Monika Mundell

LOL Giles, yep I saw that too. I simply decided to park my EGO in a corner and not waste time discussing something that we obviously both disagree on. Interestingly enough I just saw that Colin has actually never used XSitePro, but still insists on defending WP with the passion he has shown.

It's OK, no hard feelings here, I find it interesting to watch the arguments people display in their discussions.

Geez, I even thanked you and now I have to get called an egotist who likes to waste people's times huh? Can I "unthanks"?

I never hid the fact that I never used Xsite, did I? If it was unclear, I apologize. Regardless, I don't think I ever made any sort of claim against Xsite. I can be pro-Wordpress without being anti-Xsite.

I was just making sure that you weren't adding to the misinformation about Wordpress, since who knows how long this thread will last and be referenced. I haven't used Xsite, but I've used Wordpress enough to know that you were wrong.

I mean, even Xsite's own website is full of misinfo about Wordpress, obviously designed to sell people on their own software. In my never-been-humble opinion, if you have to make up tales about the free alternative, it says a thing. But that's just me.

And besides the point - they can have whatever they like on their website, and I'm not going to go over there and whine about it because they didn't ask me.

Anyways - if the thread is supposed to be one vs. the other, you're right - I can't argue both sides to give fair pros and cons (nor did I ever - I even asked for clarification on some points about Xsite).

But I CAN make sure that the thread serves its purpose as well as it can by correcting factual and interpretational errors and keeping them out of the argument, or at least presenting the underlying reasons your presupposition is false.

You can certainly be pro-Xsite, and at a personal level, you can even be wrong about Wordpress as far as why YOU choose one v. the other. But if you're going to also be con-Wordpress here in public, where it's in service of answering a question, that's different.

It's not about ego as much as its about facts. My ego won't let there be wrong ones in an argument I'm involved in. I strive for that to be the case on my side as well. I promise that when I'm wrong I am the first to admit it. It's all over this forum.

My post was never about making you wrong, but about putting the counter-argument on display to let other people decide. I was only arguing with you because you seemed to want to.

But if you're going to go ahead and concede... To that I say:

Thanks! Makes it a lot easier.

And look, you are totally right. I have a MASSIVE ego. And my Id is nothing to slouch at either. But the passion in my arguments are always for the truth. In this case:

While SOME software that updates constantly does "suck" - in the case of broken, buggy software that never should have been released to the public in the state it's in. That's epidemic, and that's a real problem.

But for Wordpress, it's not "broken" when it's released - it's getting better - shored up against inevitable threats - features added - performance improved, etc. etc.

Which is not only good for premium paid software to do, but is literally AMAZING and restores one's faith in human endeavor to see that kind of rigorous development for FREE, going on for approaching a decade and 3 full versions.

That doesn't "suck". I mean, if a new version of Xsite came out, and you got to go download it for free, would you be mad when they told you it was out and that you could come and get it? How about if the way the told you, was with a single, small link in the software itself that you could click, and then click "Install" and then be done?

And as far as it goes, the reminder easy to ignore, and as I said, with a plugin, you can even turn it off. That makes the information about the updates of Wordpress FAIRLY presented.

It takes your original statement of "it sucks" and makes sure that everyone knows that while yes, Wordpress DOES update all the time, we now know the proper reasons it does and we now know the extent to which you must install, and even that it's possible to ignore the updates and the notification.

You can still hold the opinion that it sucks, but now other people who haven't tried Wordpress have a better handle on how that bears on their decision to adopt or try one vs. the other, right?

I mean, come on. Is that an argument that comes from ego, or does anyone else think it "sucks" how Wordpress has updates all the time? I'm not taking crazy pills am I? I'm defending free software with no chance of profit - frankly I'm shocked at myself!

But you see, here I go arguing again, and you'd already gone and conceded. How uncouth. Apologies.

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hjaynes 14 years ago

Boy.... I'm missing all the fun.

While we're at it... my BMW 850 ci is the best car in the world ever built. EVER. Yes, it's over ten years old now (with low miles) and yes, it costs $9,000 to tune up that 12 cylinder beast by Herman the German, but it IS the best car ever built. PERIOD. My two ton 5.0 12 cylinder missile will do almost 190 mph right out of the box.

I know that some of you might have slick rides, but mine is the best.

Until you drive my slick ride, you can't tell me yours is the best.

Seriously, this discussion is kinda fun. I'm glad I can learn both from uber-nerds and marketers. Let's all now have a group hug and go make some money.

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Monika Mundell 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

Geez, I even thanked you and now I have to get called an egotist who likes to waste people's times huh? Can I "unthanks"?

To make you feel better, I thanked you back, so in that regard we are quits and you owe me nothing.

Been called an egoist? Your words mate
As for WordPress vs XSitePro ....uhm, isn't that the TITLE of this thread?

Seriously dude, you need to chill more. I totally hear you on everything you say, and guess what, I never disagreed with you about the WordPress tutorial/lecture/information you gave us all on security, usability, coolness and what not.

The ONE thing I do NOT agree is that in MY eyes it still sucks having to update the WP application every so often, and before you roll out the old argument/point/view again that there is no need for security purposes, I think it is fair to say that running an older WP install does pose security threats because otherwise WP wouldn't recommend you update.

But like I "hinted," I do not have time to discuss with you the pros and cons of this and that application. I love both, but prefer XSitePro for the reason stated.

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- Colin Theriot 14 years ago
  
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  Seriously dude, you need to chill more.
  
  Yeah, sorry. Sometimes I can't help trolling. It's the internet. But I was chilled out hours and hours ago. It's way to late here for me to get that riled up again. Check with me tomorrow.
  
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  But like I "hinted," I do not have time to discuss with you the pros and cons of this and that application.
  
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Monika Mundell

LOL Giles, yep I saw that too. I simply decided to park my EGO in a corner and not waste time discussing something that we obviously both disagree on. Interestingly enough I just saw that Colin has actually never used XSitePro, but still insists on defending WP with the passion he has shown.

It's OK, no hard feelings here, I find it interesting to watch the arguments people display in their discussions.

Personally Monika, I fail to see what the brouhaha is all about. IMHO, the OP was attempting to make a competitive assessment of both applications based on how the sites ranked? In his interpretation, apparently, the site built by the application with the higher ranking won out? And of course, once he got that snow flake rolling downhill, it almost turned into an emotionally charged personal passion fueled avalanche!

Are we over this now?

Originally Posted by Joseph Then

Don't give a conclusion just like that... You have no proof or stats or anything to declare a 'clear' winner.

Joseph, that winner thing was uh, uhm, funny??? Yes? No! Maybe?

Originally Posted by Steven Downward

I have used both Wordpress and XSitePro and I have gotten sites to the first page with both. I think it really has to do with a lot of different factors and what the focus of the site is.

The one thing though is that Wordpress is free and can do a lot of different things.

Steven, like you, I use both and I also use vBulletin, Dreamweaver, and a number of other platforms and site rankings have got absolutely nothing to do with the platform you use to build a site with.

If noobies are reading this thread, please understand that point. No site building platform can guarantee you high rankings or IM success.

Also, no platform can guarantee you indexing by the SEs, instant, immaculant or otherwise.

You can build site with XSitePro, Dreamweaver, WordPress, NVU or Notepad.exe and get it indexed within minutes after launching it, IF you know what you're doing!

You can also get the sites to rank high in the SERPs, IF you know what you're doing! Conversely, if you don't know what you're doing, you can use the Ninja Hi-Karate Jason Bourne Bond 007 Google Sniper Push Button Website Building Tool and never be found in the SERPs, EVER!

As far as WP being free, yes the platform is free. However, the themes are a different story. The free themes, and I've tested plenty of them, don't offer the functionality (or support) of the paid themes. That's why I'm in the process of purging the sites I've built with free WP themes and converting to paid WP themes.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Joseph Then

... ... Depending on how you use it, XSitePro is more than just HTML editor. It's can also act as a CMS. One main difference is of course Wordpress is web-based editing and XSitePro is client-based editing.
... ... That's just me. Maybe I'm more techie.

Thanks all. Enjoyed reading this thread, and nearly understand the differences now. I do not use either product, but have slogged away in Dreamweaver to create several business sites up till now. Sort of a techie, although only about 3/10 compared to the real techies.

Given Joseph's comments I will check out XSitePro as being a DW freak, I still want to work on my PC. A couple of newbie assumptions being made that I need to check out with XSitePro, but welcome feedback in advance of my study:
(1) I can add 'comments feature' to any XSitePro or indeed Dreamweaver HTML pages with appropriate plugin code. And...
(2) I can edit XSitePro templates/pages/sites offline using my Dreanweaver.
(3) XSitePro with Dreamweaver/CSS will allow me to build and launch mini-sites fast. Which is main reason why I am learning about WP vs XSitePro.

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Hortensia

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sabun

There's nothing to compare ... Wordpress is clearly the winner. It doesn't make any sense to think that a website will rank better just because it's made on xsitepro and not wordpress ...

You could just as well say that it doesn't make any sense either to think that a website will rank better because it's made on wordpress and not xsitepro.

That is the point.

Too many people assume that that is the case. Why? Because everybody says so.

Since when was 'everybody' right?

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14 years ago

I go for WordPress because it's free.

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Hortensia 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Don Brigante

I go for WordPress because it's free.

Penny wise, pound foolish...

Like allready mentioned, good themes for wp can cost you an arm and leg. Then there are the plugins, popups etc.

If you really want to rock with wp, you have to spend at least a couple of hundred dollars.

For all that money you buy yourself a lot of hassle. That comes free with wp as well.

So really...what are we talking about?

Do you want to go thru all this, just because of some obscure plugin?

Think about it... don't fool yourself!
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- Colin Theriot 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Hortensia
  
  Penny wise, pound foolish...
  
  I don't think that proverb means what you think it means.
  
  Originally Posted by Hortensia
  
  Like allready mentioned, good themes for wp can cost you an arm and leg. Then there are the plugins, popups etc.
  
  They can cost, but you don't have to pay a cent but for your own domain and hosting. The core of what I use for any PAYING client on WP is all free. If I get a paid theme it's for support and ease/speed of modding it.
  
  Originally Posted by Hortensia
  
  If you really want to rock with wp, you have to spend at least a couple of hundred dollars.
  
  Totally untrue. You CAN spend even more than that, but you can "rock" with wordpress for free. If it's true, please prove to me what it is I have to buy to "rock" with WP and where I can get it. Is it the theme/plugin in your sig? That's only $77.
  
  Actually, I bought a theme page template set off a Warrior that did the same thing as that, but it was only $25. I could have done it myself for free, but my time was worth more than $25.
  
  Besides that, we're comparing to Xsite which costs $200, period. Chance of building a site with Xsite for free: Zero. Chance of building a site with Wordpress for free? I dunno - there are literally MILLIONS of free wordpress sites with free themes and free plugins (or none at all).
  
  Originally Posted by Hortensia
  
  For all that money you buy yourself a lot of hassle. That comes free with wp as well.
  
  I'm amazed that you're talking about the first (and for a long time ONLY) blog/cms that HAD an externalized plugin/theme system which makes it EASIER than coding a site's look and feel and custom performance from scratch, right?
  
  What hassle exactly are you talking about?
  
  Originally Posted by Hortensia
  
  So really...what are we talking about?
  
  YOU SELL A WP PLUGIN in your sig. So I'm really not sure what you're talking about either. You don't seem to have a high degree of confidence in your own product...
  
  Originally Posted by Hortensia
  
  Do you want to go thru all this, just because of some obscure plugin?
  
  All what? You said it was a "hassle" and that to "rock" you needed $200. But then provide no evidence of any of that. I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with it, but millions - yes MILLIONS of people have to disagree with you on both points.
  
  Originally Posted by Hortensia
  
  Think about it... don't fool yourself!
  
  Who is fooling who? You should stop promoting it if you dislike it so much. Isn't that fooling your customers?
  
  I'm not trying to be snarky, but I really don't understand the point you're arguing, and even if I did, you included no proof at all to back it up.
  
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14 years ago

What is XSitePro?
Wordpress - is the solution for every bloger
very slow solution )

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Hortensia

14 years ago

Hey @ Colin

Have fun with your opinions. Enjoy ;-)

Platforms, just like computers, are just something to choose from whenever it seems to be the best option.

When it's appropriate I will use wordpress, just like I will use apple for my video.

That's all there is to it.

But I am not in love neither with xsp, nor apple, nor wordpress.

When something betters comes around tomorrow I will check that out immediately.

People who are so desperately hung up about one particular choice, what's so funny and inspiring about that?

Colin, you sound like some sort of fundamentalist.

Proof me wrong in the next comment please.

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Hortensia

Hey @ Colin

Have fun with your opinions. Enjoy ;-)

None of what I countered your last post with were opinions, but facts. You don't need to spend anything to use Wordpress. Fact. You don't even need additional themes or plugins at all with it. Fact.

Using those things does not constitute a "hassle" vs. all other ways of adding a design skin or functional scripting to a site. It's literally plug and play for both.

I do enjoy my opinions, but my last post was light on them - I was just offering facts you counter your opinions. You can provide evidence that you founded your opinions on to validate your point (whatever it may have been), but you don't have to.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

Platforms, just like computers, are just something to choose from whenever it seems to be the best option.

Yeah, I think the OP was asking something just along those lines so they could know what platform was best for what they wanted to do. Most people here offered opinions tempered by fact. Yours wasn't, so I commented to add some facts, and invited you to support your opinions.

Again, you don't have to, but your initial post I commented on is an opinion founded on factual inaccuracies, so if you were trying to help by adding to the discussion, you have to accept the fact that people might disagree with you. Especially when you happen to be wrong.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

When it's appropriate I will use wordpress, just like I will use apple for my video.

So when is appropriate to use Wordpress? In your initial post, you made no mention at all that it was appropriate in any way. If you actually think this, you did a poor job of expressing it. So are you saying it's good or not?

Originally Posted by Hortensia

That's all there is to it.

But I am not in love neither with xsp, nor apple, nor wordpress.

What's that got to do with anything?

Originally Posted by Hortensia

When something betters comes around tomorrow I will check that out immediately.

Sure, and if you find something you like, you can start a thread about it. But that's not what this thread is about. It's about comparing WP to XSP, and you made some points about WP that were actually false. I was just pointing those out, and asking if you had some info to back it up.

It's clear that you don't, or else you don't care to share it, in which case I guess the first post was just because you like the sound of your own self typing. There's nothing wrong with that, I do too.

But in a thread where someone's asking a question upon which to make a decision, it's only fair to provide experienced opinions based on fact, right? Otherwise, we're not helping.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

People who are so desperately hung up about one particular choice, what's so funny and inspiring about that?

Lost me again. Don't understand the point there.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

Colin, you sound like some sort of fundamentalist.

I'm a fundamentalist for truth. I'm a fundamentalist for factual accuracy. I'm a fundamentalist for having opinions grounded in experience and facts. I'm a fundamentalist for not parroting false, made up, or ill considered information when other people are asking me for help.

I'm a fundamentalist for calling people out when they play the parrot because I feel like it's my duty to fight that kind of thing wherever I am. I don't go out of my way to do it, but if someone just says some stuff I know to be false in a thread I am reading, I will correct it.

And if I'm the one who is wrong, I will eat my humble pie and admit it. So you're still welcome to post any kind of facts to back up your initial points I took issue with. Just show anyone here how:

1. Wordpress requires certain plugins and or themes to operate adequately.
2. That those themes and plugins will cost you $200 or thereabouts.
3. That installing those same paid themes and plugins will be difficult to the degree that it's not worth doing.

You said these things, not me. I just said that they weren't true. You're entitled to believe whatever you like personally, even if it's not even true. I don't care. When you present it as fact, or even as opinion here, in writing, it becomes a different issue.

Presenting an unfounded opinion which you can't back up and then refusing to address it is something I have a fundamental problem with. You are correct.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

Proof me wrong in the next comment please.

Prove what wrong? I asked you to support your opinion with some facts and clarifications, and instead of doing that, you changed the subject, and called me names.

What is it with people that when I ask them to rub two braincells together and actually EXPLAIN the stuff that comes out of their keyboards and contribute to the discussion, they call me out for it like I'm some kind of dick. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills sometimes.

Am I that off base? Do people come here to learn or not? If they only come here to listen to their own opinions that they were spoon fed reflected back to them for some kind of shallow validation, that's fine.

But if you actually want to learn stuff, you need the facts, and then you form an opinion based on THAT. If you form your own opinions on OTHER people's unfounded opinions, you have NO CHANCE of succeeding in ANYTHING, really.

If all you want to do is say a thing and then say no more unless people agree, you can start a blog. I promise I won't come over there and call you out no matter how wrong you are. At least, you won't have to publish my comment if I do.

I mean, please, listen to yourself. If I hadn't commented and someone read your post and decided NOT to use WP because of it, would that have been correct? It certainly would keep them from buying what you're selling.

But if I hadn't asked, you wouldn't have then said that you WOULD use Wordpress depending. So which is it? Do you recommend it or not? If so, when and in what situation?

That would be useful information to have in order for the opinion you presented to have any value to ANYONE besides yourself. You said a thing, I'm asking you to support and add to it. If you won't, that's fine. If you CAN'T, that's fine too. It's a free country.

It's just not helpful for people to say stuff they can't support, because then other people believe them, and adopt that same opinion. Then THOSE people go spout it off again to another set of people, and you end up with a bunch of people that have a highly developed opinion that happens to be totally wrong and worthless.

I try to stop that from happening where I can because why wouldn't I? Shouldn't I?

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hjaynes

14 years ago

With all due respect Colin, you might be an advocate for truth, but you don't use XSitePro. You really can not even intelligently speak about XSitePro since you haven't and don't use it. In truth, I would ask your opinion about WP, might even refer people to you, but how can you do any sort of intelligent comparison / contrast on something you know bubkus about?

And as far as FREE, there is NOTHING free. Whether it's time or paying for templates or paying someone else to do something, it's going to cost. Period.

I still value your opinions on XP though.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by hjaynes

With all due respect Colin, you might be an advocate for truth, but you don't use XSitePro. You really can not even intelligently speak about XSitePro since you haven't and don't use it. In truth, I would ask your opinion about WP, might even refer people to you, but how can you do any sort of intelligent comparison / contrast on something you know bubkus about?

I never did say one word about Xsite though, did I? I only wanted to express my opinion on Wordpress, which I qualified in my first post. I did get hyperbolic and refer to XSP as second best, but someone called me on that and I conceded.

What I've been doing since then is just correcting when people have been factually wrong about Wordpress.

Which even though I haven't used XSP, I can at least make sure if we're comparing, the side I DO know about is accurately presented, right?

If you can point out anything I said that is an unfair statement I made based on knowledge I don't have, let me know. But I'm deliberately careful about marking my opinions as such, and being clear about what they're based on.

Originally Posted by hjaynes

And as far as FREE, there is NOTHING free. Whether it's time or paying for templates or paying someone else to do something, it's going to cost. Period.

Well, yeah but that same "cost" is true of using XSP or any other for-pay tool as well. So they cost money in the first place, PLUS more. So would it make you feel better if I said WP was cheaper than XSP?

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JD_Sanders

14 years ago

Boiled down, since I, too, use both, each has its' own pros and cons. My belief is that I get the best of both worlds. XSP for long-term durability and ease of use and WP for fast indexing and ranking> How can you beat that?

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14 years ago

"I was going to weigh in but I should say I've never used Xsite. But that's because Wordpress is the best and free"

Using your quote Colin, how can you say WP or anything is the best if you haven't used the other? I totally believe that you believe WP is the bomb. It probably is, at least for what you use it for. This is what I was referring to, that's all.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by hjaynes

"I was going to weigh in but I should say I've never used Xsite. But that's because Wordpress is the best and free"

Using your quote Colin, how can you say WP or anything is the best if you haven't used the other? I totally believe that you believe WP is the bomb. It probably is, at least for what you use it for. This is what I was referring to, that's all.

No you're right - someone called me on that and I conceded. What I should have said there is I've found Wordpress to repeatedly meet my needs and has been the best across all the many ways means and tools I've used to make websites ranging from notepad.exe all the way up to $150K custom built e-commerce systems.

It had been the best tool for me since then, so I hadn't had the need to ever look for anything else.

I chose a poor way to express that thought earlier, and though I corrected myself when someone called me on it previously, I hadn't yet taken the time to say what I really meant.

And I have now, so thanks for helping me clarify.

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Hortensia

14 years ago

Wordpress is something to use, when you really want 'user generated content'. Sometimes that can be important. Most of the time it isn't though.

If you don't need the comments, but still build your sites with wordpress, you're working with a very clumsy, unpractical, timeconsuming sitebuilder.

I really don't understand why so many people choose wordpress to build normal sites. It's a serious error of judgement in my opinion.

If I want to configure a new wordpress blog with all the plugins, it takes me at least an hour before everything is set right, because it's an awful lot of clicking around, filling in forms, ticking options, uploading plugins and all of that.

In xsitepro the same job, but with better options [=better plugins], takes me around five minutes.

How much is your time worth?
How much is "free" costing you in time?

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bush 14 years ago

As a beginner starting out, not knowing, or understand computer talk, Xsite is easier,
They both complement each other, can be very useful if you know how to use both, an advantage.
Each one has its strength and weakness. As long as it gets the job Done.
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hmigroupllc

14 years ago

There is no website platform that gets you "ranked" simply by putting up the website. Not Wordpress, not Xsitpro, not Joomla, not any.

All require other inputs, particularly generating traffic, to get ranked. A static website can rank as well (and commonly does) as a Wordpress, or any other website if the webmaster has a traffic generation scheme that includes on page and off page SEO.

I use Wordpress for almost everything. It is a traffic generator with the right plugins, and the right attention to SEO.

It was also a function of when I got started, I had little money, and the Wordpress platform was so FREE and so flexible, there was no better choice at the time.

This doesn't mean that an Xsitepro site is not as good. You just have to pay for the direct support you get, and that's reality. There are people working at that company, and they have to get paid just like you. And they give you direct support as part of your price tag.

So, on a low budget, go with Wordpress. If you have other considerations, maybe Xsitpro will work great for you.

Note: I don't think the initial test was valid. The time was too short, and Google shifts things around in the listings way too often for such a short, limited test to have any real meaning. That's not a slam, by any means. I recommend you always test. Just make sure conclusions are not jumping the gun, so to speak.

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Joel Gray

14 years ago

I have both wordpress sites and xsitepro sites that have page one Google rankings, it seems that both will rank well if you get some decent backlinks. However from an overall ease of use position it would be wordpress, but it really doesn't take much more time to update a xsitepro website and uploaded the updated version.

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  XSitePro is good because you could easily save what you have and import/export with ease without the need to worry about database backups..etc .. all done in minutes !..
  
  However, there are some goodness in Wordpress.. plugins, SEO friendly, pinging..etc
  
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webstrategistpk

14 years ago

Xsite Pro is awesome but it is not that easy to use as wordpress is. Wordpress is the leader in industry because it allows customization to even a beginner.

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It is a very nice domain name of websites. Good idea to get blog domain names. Do you sell it?

Thanks, not for sale as I am still researching the topic
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14 years ago

I am a Wordpress fan.

It does the job and plugins are mostly free

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Hortensia

14 years ago

Thanks for the review.

Tokens are indeed great. But what to think of the endless variations of popup - namegrab - oto pages. There are so many possibilities.

And the clever thing is that you can handle a ton of sites. You simply cannot do that with wp. Ten blogs are still doable, but more?

Another downside of xsp could be if you want to flip your site(s).
The buyer should preferably have xsitepro as well.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

XSP is just as easy to set up as WP. Yes, WP can be set up with a couple of clicks in Fantastico but personally, I never install it this way.

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

Actually, XSP is quicker to set up. You can keep a blank project and just make as many copies as you need to. Very little reconfiguration required.

Let's be fair, statement two is only true because of your personal choice in statement one. You can create a "blank project" in Wordpress by configuring your "standard" install and exporting the DB, and getting a copy of the theme and plugin folders. After that, copying your "standard" into a fresh fantastico install is just copy, paste, upload and edit 1 file.

That description took longer to type than it takes to do.

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

XSP allows for easy site-wide changes to be made. Usually, this is the realm only of CMSs. That's the funny thing - XSP acts like a CMS. If you change a page name/file name, all sitewide links update automatically.

Unless I misunderstand what you're saying, this is exactly how Wordpress works as well.

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

There are also many tokens that you can use, does WP even support the use of tokens? I think you have to edit the php directly to make use of them or something similar, don't you?

Wordpress itself and many plugins and specialized themes make use of the built in token engine. To create your own you would either need to know PHP yourself or just use one of the many free plugins which allow for you to create tokens out of whatever you like, including PHP code.

Then, when you want to reuse that code snippet in a post, you just say [tokenname] or something to that effect.

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

XSP is also WAY more secure than WP.

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

XSP is not hackable.

This is highly debatable. No one needs to "hack" your XSP to deface a site created by it, right? They just need to get into your FTP account and they can edit the files however they like - the files are the site.

In Wordpress, they need to get into the Wordpress admin or the database to do any damage to your content. They could stop WP from functioning, but that can be easily and quickly restored. But the likelihood of that kind of "hacking" is identical to both, because it's just about getting FTP access.

And in the case of Wordpress hacks, they're usually to spam links onto your site in an attempt to siphon your Page Rank from you, so they're aren't going to actually want to take your site down.

If you use good password schemes and standards, and you don't put your wordpress in the default installation location (don't put it in root or in /wordpress or /blog because that's where a hacker would look) - you should be proof against 99% of Wordpress-specific hack attempts. Oh, and create a new admin account and delete the default admin account.

Now, simply BECAUSE Wordpress is so widely used you could say it's targeted by more hackers (like Windows v. Mac) but then again, the spider scripts they will use to look for vulnerable installations are going to look in the default and easily guessed locations for the exploitable files. If you don't put them there, the hackers will most likely move on to other targets.

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

Long term, I want to reduce my reliance on scripts.

In favor of static sites? Wow. That's an uncommon sentiment.

At least in my experience.

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

btw comparing the SEO of WP vs XSP on a single site is meaningless. There is not enough precision and too much variance in Google's algorithm for that to be a meaningful test. I estimate that the differences are minimal if a larger sample were taken.

The closest you could get would be if you had a simulated spider crawl them and do metrics, but it would be a simulation at best since even the best simulated Google spider is still just a guess. I agree, the differences would be minimal because as far as a spider sees the sites, there's no difference. If you do good SEO on both, both will rank well.

I don't know if you can in XSP, but you can largely get Wordpress to automate most SEO best practices - generating meta info from post excerpts and tags for example. If that's of benefit to you, you may find Wordpress better in that regard. If XSP can do this, I'm sure someone will chime in and let us know.

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And the clever thing is that you can handle a ton of sites. You simply cannot do that with wp. Ten blogs are still doable, but more?

I'm not sure what you mean here. Why can't you create as may WP sites as you want?

Originally Posted by Hortensia

Another downside of xsp could be if you want to flip your site(s).
The buyer should preferably have xsitepro as well.
So that is a serious point!

Not just for flipping, but if you build client sites, they would need a copy of XSP to edit their own site, right? I like WP for client sites because the admin is via the web onto the site itself.

There are even plugins specifically for embedding your own instructions and things into the standard WP admin to custom tailor client usage education. It's neat stuff and makes you look slick as hell!

Originally Posted by Kwikpeach

I think it really depends on the keywords your targeting as more competitive keywords tend to rank better from my xsite pro platform whereas the less competitive ones rank well with wordpress. That's my experience with the two anyway.

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As was pointed out earlier, it's not really fair to say without being able to do a controlled experiment. And since that's not possible in the wilds of the web, and no one has access to Google's spider code, the above is a good observation, but I think it's only fair to point out that it could just be coincidence due to many other factors in play.

It IS fair to point out that since you say "tend to" that you mean there are exceptions on both sides, so it's not off base to conclude that both rank well in general, depending on the competition level of your particular keywords, as well as external SEO factors that have nothing to do with your software choice, like domain name and backlinks.

NOTE TO ALL I QUOTED: I'm not picking any personal fight with you - you're all entitled to your valid opinions. I'm just countering inaccuracies and providing examples to make sure a balanced discussion can be had.

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Hortensia

14 years ago

What I meant, is that you have to watch over your blogs all the time. That's why I call it 'nannying'. I allready mentioned earlier on in this thread that not so long ago all my links went 404. It took me a lot of time and effort to sort that out.

I try to spend my time wisely and don't intend to become a php expert while I should be marketing.

That is my main objection against wordpress. It takes too much time to set up a site compared to xsitepro, and you are depending on updates. There is no end to these updates either, and again... it's consuming much of my attention. Why would I like that?

I know that you can do a lot of things with wordpress, adding all kind of plugins, but that's exactly what xsitepro has allready done for me. So there is no need for me to reinvent the wheel.

I have had xsitepro for a long time, but two years ago I started with wordpress because everybody was saying how good it was, for seo and all that. I agree with that, wordpress is a great system, and it's free, but all in all I vote for xsitepro in the end and that has saved me a lot of precious time and energy.

You just can't be sure what has happened to your blogs now again. Things don't go wrong every day, but even if it happens once per two months, that is still bad enough with say 50 blogs. If you have like 10 blogs, it is still manageable, but more...you're not running a business. Wordpress runs you instead.

I have sold websites to clients stipulating that they would need to buy xsitepro as well.

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14 years ago

It's a website building AND a marketing tool at the same time.
Dreamweaver is not a timesaver either. Just adding more unnecessary overload.

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14 years ago

i wouldn't think google prefers XSitePro because of the TABLES it heavily uses...

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RichardHK 14 years ago

Originally Posted by antipot

i wouldn't think google prefers XSitePro because of the TABLES it heavily uses...

Tables?! Ouch! Saves me bothering with that program then. Thanks for that.
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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Hortensia

What I meant, is that you have to watch over your blogs all the time. That's why I call it 'nannying'. I allready mentioned earlier on in this thread that not so long ago all my links went 404. It took me a lot of time and effort to sort that out.

This is true of any site made with any tool.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

I try to spend my time wisely and don't intend to become a php expert while I should be marketing.

You don't have to become a PHP expert to use Wordpress. To say so is misleading.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

That is my main objection against wordpress. It takes too much time to set up a site compared to xsitepro, and you are depending on updates. There is no end to these updates either, and again... it's consuming much of my attention. Why would I like that?

It takes more time for you because you haven't practiced as much with WP as you have with Xsite. I bet if we had a race, we would be evenly paced.

Also re: updates - why would you not want continuous updates that make the software better? I really don't understand the sentiment of the people complaining about how it's constantly updated. That's not a flaw, that's like the biggest benefit on the planet.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

I know that you can do a lot of things with wordpress, adding all kind of plugins, but that's exactly what xsitepro has allready done for me. So there is no need for me to reinvent the wheel.

Adding plugins is not "reinventing the wheel" - the plugins exist so you DON'T have to re-invent the wheel with every site you build. You can use the same engine and add or modify whatever functionality you want.

If you build the same kind of website over and over, perhaps this benefit is not of use to you, but there's no need to misrepresent the purpose of the plugin system.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

I have had xsitepro for a long time, but two years ago I started with wordpress because everybody was saying how good it was, for seo and all that. I agree with that, wordpress is a great system, and it's free, but all in all I vote for xsitepro in the end and that has saved me a lot of precious time and energy.

This is a fair statement. You like Xsite Pro because you've used it longer and are comfortable with it and didn't like using a new thing. I get it. It's why I don't want to switch from Wordpress.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

You just can't be sure what has happened to your blogs now again. Things don't go wrong every day, but even if it happens once per two months, that is still bad enough with say 50 blogs. If you have like 10 blogs, it is still manageable, but more...you're not running a business. Wordpress runs you instead.

This is a ridiculous statement, not borne out of anything but a singular bad experience. I've build hundreds of sites on Wordpress, many of which are still running like clockwork, continuously updating and running fine with no issues.

Also, I have a plugin that emails me whenever someone hits a 404 page, so I don't have to monitor jack unless something goes wrong. But this is exactly the same as any website built with any software. Problems with the site occur when something happens to the server. That can happen no matter what your site is made with.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

I have sold websites to clients stipulating that they would need to buy xsitepro as well.

Sure, but it's a factor that I see as a negative personally. I'd rather not have to tack on an additional charge that substantial considering I wouldn't get much of a cut. If you've done well with it, more power to you.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

It's a website building AND a marketing tool at the same time.
Dreamweaver is not a timesaver either. Just adding more unnecessary overload.

What about Xsite Pro do you consider to be a "marketing tool" vs. just website building, and what of that can't be done with Wordpress?

Again, not saying anything personally - just trying to correct the incorrect info in your review.

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Crew Chief 14 years ago

Upon even further more in depth review, debating and arguing, here is the additional information we have gathered from this thread thus far...

(a). Some people prefer XSitePro, and...

(b). Some people prefer WordPress

WOW! Now that's even more stunning revelation!

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Originally Posted by antipot

i wouldn't think google prefers XSitePro because of the TABLES it heavily uses...

Tables, are you kidding me? XSitePro uses tables?

Wow, now that's a new revelation!

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Hortensia

14 years ago

Hey@Colin

Oh dear oh dear...

For technical illiterates like myself [ this is meant 'tongue in cheek' ], who don't want to focus on geeky stuff [ What the heck is a table? ;-) ], but rather spend their time and effort on the creative side of the equation, I just make my choices.

Everybody is entitled to their own preferences, don't you agree?

That's all there is to it.

But I just wonder why you have such strong opinions?
I hear this pedantic tone of voice of yours, and think what's the problem?
Especially since you have no experience with xsitepro.
How can you compare?
That hardly makes you somebody to listen to, does it?
Or are you just trying to wind people up?
In that case: who cares?

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Hortensia

Hey@Colin

Oh dear oh dear...

You seem taken aback. Why?

Originally Posted by Hortensia

For technical illiterates like myself [ this is meant 'tongue in cheek' ], who don't want to focus on geeky stuff [ What the heck is a table? ;-) ], but rather spend their time and effort on the creative side of the equation, I just make my choices.

Everybody is entitled to their own preferences, don't you agree?

That's all there is to it.

Sure, you're entitled to your opinion, but when the point of the thread is to compare two things, can't it be enough to present your opinion without incorrectly presenting one side to support your preference?

Personal preference is fine - perfectly fine - but I would think other people reading the thread would prefer a more objective comparison, so I'm just trying to make it a fair one as best I can.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

But I just wonder why you have such strong opinions?

I do happen to have strong opinions, but I haven't expressed much of that here - just factual corrections when people who prefer Xsite (which is fine) present "facts" about Wordpress that are incorrect. It's really simple, so I'm not sure why people keep misunderstanding me.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

I hear this pedantic tone of voice of yours, and think what's the problem?

Maybe you should have your ears checked, because when I read the forum, I don't hear anything but the TV in the background. Look, there's nothing personal in my additions to the discussion. All I'm doing is correcting when people are factually incorrect about Wordpress.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

Especially since you have no experience with xsitepro. How can you compare?

When have I ever said otherwise? Even if I never even heard of Xsite, I still know Wordpress inside and out, and feel it's only decent of me to point out when people say things that I know are incorrect, or might give someone making a choice the wrong idea.

I have no vested interest in it, other than someone having the right facts to make a reasonable decision.

Maybe if I just start making bull**** up about Xsite, all the Xsite users will chime in and correct me and maybe you guys getting all butthurt will see where I'm coming from.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

That hardly makes you somebody to listen to, does it?

Again, not sure why you would think that. For example, say the OP asked "I see people here like to eat fruit. Some like apples, some like oranges. Which is better and why?

I happen to like apples, and have always eaten apples, and never had a reason to switch to or try oranges, because I like apples fine.

No someone who prefers oranges says, "I like oranges, because apples are red and that's bad, and they are hard and that's bad and they get worms."

So when I say "now look, I don't like oranges personally, but while some apples are red, they also come in yellow, green, and even orange-y. Plus, the color is that way on purpose. So it's not "bad". What you call "hard" some folks call "crunchy" and we like it. So it's not "bad".

Also, sure, some apples get worms, but some oranges do too. They don't all, but both do, so that's not a problem exclusive to apples. I've eaten literally HUNDREDS of apples, and never had a problem with worms, and have found the crunchy redness of apples has not been an issue, and in fact, has been a benefit.

Do you notice how I didn't have to say anything about oranges, and yet, the info I shared might be useful to someone looking for a tasty fruit that fits their needs?

It doesn't even imply anything bad at all about the orange eater, other than they are misrepresenting apples to the fruit eating public. You don't have to do that to justify preferring oranges. You can just like oranges.

Same as I don't have to say "Oranges are bitter and have seeds." I'm sure if I did, the orange eaters would be very quick to say "NOT ALL ORANGES ARE!!!"

But you'll notice no one has had to counter me on any factual incorrectness - neither for things I've said about Xsite (because I don't talk about what I don't know) nor about the things I've corrected people on about Wordpress (I guess because they are wrong).

Originally Posted by Hortensia

Or are you just trying to wind people up?

If you get wound up by being corrected, I can't help it. I'm sorry you posted stuff that was factually wrong. As entitled as you are to believe whatever you like and express whatever you like, I can also correct you. Consider that I'm not even telling you that you, Hortensia, are wrong in your opinions.

Does that make it better? YOU ARE NOT WRONG to like whatever you like. You are merely factually wrong about certain features of Wordpress. Unless your entire personal identity hangs solely on your incorrect beliefs about this particular piece of software, there is absolutely no reason to get wound up.

Don't take it so personally, it's just the internet.

If I'm wrong about anything I corrected you about, please point it out instead of whining or thinking I've got some kind of issue BESIDES the repeatedly stated one, of just making sure the info I CAN speak to is as correct as possible.

Originally Posted by Hortensia

In that case: who cares?

I dunno. You I guess? Since you made a whole post about you which had nothing to do with whether or not Xsite or Wordpress is better, or whether I was even wrong about what I said.

But you probably only cared because you thought my post was all about you. It wasn't. It was all about Wordpress.

Which is better than Xsite, because Xsite is slow, cumbersome, simplistic, and promoted and sold by people who are too silly and backwards to know better. It will also corrupt your harddrive, and it is only to be used by flighty creative types who are fearful of technology.

--- (See, that there is a joke, but I hope it makes my point)

Feel free to keep taking it personal if you want, but if you want to change the subject to you, start your own thread please.

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jacksonlin

14 years ago

Use both! Yay!

I have 30 or so XSP sites and they were a breeze to make.

Except sometimes XSP is buggy and results in crashes, but if you're nice to it, it's easy to use.

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Hortensia

14 years ago

@ Colin

It really is not that important to me at all. Whatever you say... I don't mind.

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14 years ago

XSite pro is a buggy POS. I'm going back to wordpress.

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Chris Grable 14 years ago

Originally Posted by anteck

XSite pro is a buggy POS. I'm going back to wordpress.

I have never had a problem with it!
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  Originally Posted by anteck
  
  XSite pro is a buggy POS. I'm going back to wordpress.
  
  OK, so what is your agenda?
  
  You claim XSitePro is a buggy POS.
  
  Please explain???
  
  I've personally built over 300 sites with this software and never had an issue.
  
  I've lost count of the people I've referred who've bought it and had there sites up and running in no time... with no issues.
  
  In addition, I personally know more IMers than I shake a stick that use XSitePro on a daily basis... and now you come along and emphatically state that it is a buggy POS???
  
  Explain how this software is buggy, please!
  
  Originally Posted by Chris Grable
  
  I have never had a problem with it!
  
  Ditto Chris!
  
  So now I'm just waiting on anteck to lists these bugs...:confused:
  
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Kahunka

14 years ago

Originally Posted by anteck

XSite pro is a buggy POS. I'm going back to wordpress.

I use XSite all the time and have never had a problem with it.

I love Wordpress but by the time I...

1) install it / create the database - ya I know it's just a few clicks in Cpanel but it still takes time.

2) upload the plug in's

3) activate and configure the plug in's

4) upload and activate the theme

5) tweak the settings in Reading, Writing, %postname% etc.

....I could build a few pages in Xsite and have them online.

I feel like with WP every time I start a project I have to piece together the machine before I can start using it.

Pieces that need constant updating. I know this is trivial but it is just another "thing" that needs done often.

As far as building niche sites for me XSite Pro is much faster especially using the token function and quick pages.

After I've been working on my XSite web sites and then go online to update one of my Wordpress sites I can definitely tell it is a much slower process to add pages....and I have a cable connection.

With XSite you can build 20 pages, hit "publish" and in 20 seconds you have 20 new pages added.

Changing and updating pages is just as fast.

I can't think of ANY plugin that I used for my marketing sites in WP that are not built into XSite Pro.

Social Bookmarking
Video
Audio
Affiliate link cloaking
Insert Adsense and other affiliate programs with a few clicks
All in One SEO
Pop ups
Site maps
RSS
Siloing

...and on and on.

And it's all integrated right there ready to use.

Of course XSite costs $200 and WP is free however I have spent more than $200 on professional themes for my WP sites.

You can find some pretty good free themes but usually with limited functionality, in my experience.

A big downside of XSite is that you cannot update your web site online.

So as someone who actually uses BOTH platforms I would say that they are both great however there is just no way I can build and maintain QUALITY web sites at near the speed in WP as I can with XSite.

Just my experience.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kahunka

I love Wordpress but by the time I...

1) install it / create the database - ya I know it's just a few clicks in Cpanel but it still takes time.

2) upload the plug in's

3) activate and configure the plug in's

4) upload and activate the theme

5) tweak the settings in Reading, Writing, %postname% etc.

....I could build a few pages in Xsite and have them online.

I feel like with WP every time I start a project I have to piece together the machine before I can start using it.

BackupBuddy is the answer to this. Set up your master blog the way you like, take a full backup, upload the generated .zip file along with a small .php file where you want to restore, go through wizard, enter database info and done.

An exact 1:1 replica of your WordPress master site will be restored which includes WordPress (files and tables) itself, any non WordPress tables you chose to backup in the database, layouts (if your theme supports them), widgets, settings, plugins and everything.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by anteck

XSite pro is a buggy POS. I'm going back to wordpress.

What a loser...

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Grable

Which one is better.... fried green tomatoes or red ripe tomatoes?

I'm just asking because I always eat the fried ones...... which must mean that anyone who likes the red ones is an idiot!

Besides.... you can eat fried ones standing up. I read somewhere that you can only eat the red ones at a ...... gasp..... TABLE!!!!

Ha! Neither, because we found some purple tamotoes in the Himalayas!

Originally Posted by Joseph Then

What a loser...

Yeah, I'm still waiting on the bugs?

Got my Raid bug spray all ready to go!

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Joseph Then

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

Yeah, I'm still waiting on the bugs?

Got my Raid bug spray all ready to go!

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Yeah, as I'm writing this, I'm creating 2 more new websites using XSitePro 2...

So much easier when I have my own personalized user-defined templates for Adsense, complete with Adsense Privacy, TOS, Contact Us, etc, with all the layouts done for me. Plus rotating footers so that there will be no footprints...

So says XSP2 is bad?

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sickbaomei 14 years ago

I love XSitepro.. but is it true you get traffic easier using WP as compared to static html site that needs more effort in promotion?
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Hortensia

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Joseph Then

Yeah, as I'm writing this, I'm creating 2 more new websites using XSitePro 2...

So much easier when I have my own personalized user-defined templates for Adsense, complete with Adsense Privacy, TOS, Contact Us, etc, with all the layouts done for me. Plus rotating footers so that there will be no footprints...

So says XSP2 is bad?

That's a good idea: the rotating footer.

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IM Listing

14 years ago

I must submit those curious about X site Pro and I purchased it a while back to have some of my employees play around with it.

And from My Standpoint go with WordPress there are hundreds of plug-ins coming out every day to satisfy any problem or expectation of the site that you would need...

I do hope this helps

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Listing

I must submit those curious about X site Pro and I purchased it a while back to have some of my employees play around with it.

And from My Standpoint go with WordPress there are hundreds of plug-ins coming out every day to satisfy any problem or expectation of the site that you would need...

I do hope this helps

As valued as your opinion is as well as everyone else's, the reality is - what's good for the goose is not good for the gander.

The OP started the thread with one application versus the other and truthfully it is not about that. It's about what suits YOU!

Some people prefer to code sites by hand and they would never use any of those quote "automated programs."

Do we criticize them for not using WP, XSitePro or Dreamweaver?

A thousand times no because that's what suits them.

Some people swear by NVU.

Others swear by Dreamweaver.

Still others like, love, hate, and/or despise other web design applications but its not about that.

If you love WP, XSitePro, Dreamweaver, etc., I say more power to you!

But, to have a debate over which application is better than the other is really pointless.

They are all designed for and marketed to a different set of people.

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Chris Grable 14 years ago

Which one is better.... fried green tomatoes or red ripe tomatoes?

I'm just asking because I always eat the fried ones...... which must mean that anyone who likes the red ones is an idiot!

Besides.... you can eat fried ones standing up. I read somewhere that you can only eat the red ones at a ...... gasp..... TABLE!!!!
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