Creating Websites and Selling! Is it still working?

14 years ago

Does buying and selling landed properties work? If yes then buying and selling websites work as well.

Buying and selling website is like the normal offline real estate, it is very hot but there is always a learning period.

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MervikHaums

14 years ago

Originally Posted by obseerver

I agree with yommys01, buying and selling website is like the normal offline real estate business. When you buy or sell websites you are buying and selling space on the internet. You have a domain name on the internet which is like a property.

But you will be able to sell the websites which are receiving high amount of website traffic and to get high traffic you will have to spend lots of money and time. Yes Creating Websites and Selling them is good business.

Oh, Yes. I am starting with a few websites now. Not all for flipping though. Lets see how far this idea works..

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tommen

14 years ago

I think site flipping is still possible but it is not so easy.You will need a good domain name and the right niche, then build the site with great unique content and links from relevant sites and article directories.Instead, why not build your own blog network and earn a steady income stream from them over time?

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yommys01

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tommen

I think site flipping is still possible but it is not so easy.You will need a good domain name and the right niche, then build the site with great unique content and links from relevant sites and article directories.Instead, why not build your own blog network and earn a steady income stream from them over time?

Every one wants passive income but for those who are just starting out, site flipping offers them a great way of making quick cash.

If not for site flipping, I will still be struggling to make money online. Affiliate marketing is fun but not half as easy as site flipping - when done right.

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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Sure does.

One of my business revenues is exactly that. Never sold one for 20K but I'm a young guy, so no worries.

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Of course it is. The trick is to build sites with value instead of a bunch of worthless startups with nothing going for them just for cash. I am constantly working on sites, building the content and traffic that I will flip at a later date and am constantly on the lookout for great sites going cheap to flip.

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MervikHaums

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Of course it is. The trick is to build sites with value instead of a bunch of worthless startups with nothing going for them just for cash. I am constantly working on sites, building the content and traffic that I will flip at a later date and am constantly on the lookout for great sites going cheap to flip.

Can you drop a few suggestions as for a beginner here?? I mean places to sell or so?? I know flippa, but there the fees are very high right? Do you know any other similar services for a cheaper price? What is your fav place for site selling? Direct/end users? or?

Thank you very much!

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by MervikHaums

Can you drop a few suggestions as for a beginner here?? I mean places to sell or so?? I know flippa, but there the fees are very high right? Do you know any other similar services for a cheaper price? What is your fav place for site selling? Direct/end users? or?

Thank you very much!

Fees are not high if the buyers are there. Take a look at the site I had for sale in my signature. Just sold it on Flippa for $1,000 so a $29 fee plus the sellers fee is not going to hurt that much. Now if you sell a bunch of cheap sites the profit margin will be much less.

You can sell in the marketplace threads for free at namepros.com but don't expect any big offers. You can sell at DP forum, but I would seriously worry about scammers there. You can sell on Ebay for their fees, although I had to pay the fees and never got what I wanted for a site there, so I don't like Ebay to sell. You can sell here on Warrior Forum in Complete Sites for Sale, although I have not tried a site that I want to get some real money for. Flippa is where most of the action is.

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MervikHaums 14 years ago

Thank you very much!

Btw the website is sold right? It looks good - Must have to follow!
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- sbucciarel Banned 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MervikHaums
  
  Thank you very much!
  
  Btw the website is sold right? It looks good - Must have to follow!
  
  Yeah ... it sold. All paid for and transferred.
  
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- sitefurnace 14 years ago
  
  Depends what sites you are selling. Those with proven income are and probably always will sell for around 10 times their monthly income. The days of the start up sites have passed I think.
  
  You can make on average around $60 for a 'pretty' blog with PLR content. Take out your costs and your left with peanuts. I think people will pay the same for unique content as well - they don't seem to value it for some reason
  
  thing is if you can make a site that earns money, you've done all the hard work why sell it? If you can buy an income for 10 times it's value, I think it's smarter to be a buyer - if you know what you're doing.
  
  I know it has it's risks but where else can you get 10% per MONTH on an investment? That's doubling your money every 10 months. Why not sell your car for $10,000 and invest. wait 10 months you now have $20,000. Buy another batch and Year 2 - 40,000, year 3 - 80,000 and so on.... year 7 $1,280,000!!!
  
  I know this is very simplified and good understanding of what you re buying is essential but you try getting to that type of income by selling websites.
  
  You try buying a bricks and mortar business that gives that ROI. I think a lot of people treat IM as a hobby and so are unwilling to invest properly. Many use building websites as a way to earn some start up cash and that's fine, but if you treated the whole thing as an investment and looked at it from an investors point of view, this is very much a buyers market.
  
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  The_Archer 14 years ago
  
  Depends what your plan of attack is. I noticed on Guru.com and such related sites that a lot of people are looking for WordPress professionals. Not rare I seen WordPress sites sell for $1,000 and it doesn't take long to master WP, some people either don't have the time, have money to spend or don't want to take the time to fully comprehend WordPress.
  
  I made a decent living a while back simply building Wordpress blogs and selling them. The only thing that was getting on my left side was having to wait 60 days to transfer a domain and I found it hard to sell non-dotcom domains.
  
  I went out of that business since I find that building a content rich website and doing some serious SEO to work much better and the long term benefits far surpass the quick buck you make by flipping sites.
  
  It's fun to flip sites because you actually feel like a stock trader or a real estate agent.
  
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  MervikHaums 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by sitefurnace
  
  Depends what sites you are selling. .
  
  Thanks for your post man! In fact if a website really earns (even if it was created aiming a big sale) I won't be ready to sell it. If a website can produce 60$ this month definitely it can produce lots more in the coming months. But yeah, if we are intelligent we can sell it for good price and make it happen with another website and so on...!!
  
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xstrobex

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Of course it is. The trick is to build sites with value instead of a bunch of worthless startups with nothing going for them just for cash. I am constantly working on sites, building the content and traffic that I will flip at a later date and am constantly on the lookout for great sites going cheap to flip.

Start up sites can be highly profitable. I've made tons selling start up sites. But I find website building and flipping can take up alot of time

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MervikHaums 14 years ago

Originally Posted by xstrobex

Start up sites can be highly profitable. I've made tons selling start up sites. But I find website building and flipping can take up alot of time

If you were really successful at flipping then why did you stop it? Bored of making money??? Yeah, without time and effort we cannot make good profit.!!
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sbucciarel Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by xstrobex

Start up sites can be highly profitable. I've made tons selling start up sites. But I find website building and flipping can take up alot of time

When I first started on Flippa, I could sell a brand new site with zero traffic for $320, sometimes as soon as I listed it. They went like hotcakes because the design was exceptional. These were blogs. Then came the startup minisites and for awhile, these sold like hotcakes.

It has become a great deal harder to sell a brand new site on Flippa. I have sold sites with no revenue, like the one in my signature that I just sold, but the site also had 8000 Twitter followers, PR2, good traffic, nice design, over 100 posts. I've seen some startups selling on Flippa, but for very low prices and you subtract the listing and success fee from that and you're hardly making anything.
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JayPeete

14 years ago

This will probably always be a viable method of making money.

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timb98133

14 years ago

Yes - I've heard there can be a lot of $$ in it

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14 years ago

I think it's a great way to make money. I sell sites on Flippa in the $2,000 to $2,500 range. But...since i couldn't design a blog or website to save my life, I end up having to outsource the work, which obviously cuts into my profits. Find a good niche to get into and sell sites that offer good value.

If you can show/prove the sites are bringing revenue, they should generally (not so much on Flippa, however) be worth 2 to 2.5 x yearly net. This is the way to go for sure.

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MervikHaums

14 years ago

Originally Posted by killercopy

I think it's a great way to make money. I sell sites on Flippa in the $2,000 to $2,500 range. But...since i couldn't design a blog or website to save my life, I end up having to outsource the work, which obviously cuts into my profits. Find a good niche to get into and sell sites that offer good value.

If you can show/prove the sites are bringing revenue, they should generally (not so much on Flippa, however) be worth 2 to 2.5 x yearly net. This is the way to go for sure.

Other than Flippa, what are the good places to sell websites? Any suggestions?? Thanks!

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kb24 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MervikHaums

Other than Flippa, what are the good places to sell websites? Any suggestions?? Thanks!

Digital Point, Website Broker, Sitedeal.org just do a google search..
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Jamian

14 years ago

This is a good way of earning money, no doubt. Just try to create a high quality websites, so many buyers will be interested on it.

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timb98133

14 years ago

can anyone recommend a course that teaches this?

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John Atkins

14 years ago

Sure it does.

Why wouldn't it work. If you create profitable websites then you can
surely sell them for good profit.

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bigbrian 14 years ago

Sure it works and it's profitable. I have sold sites for well over $50k multiple times and some of these sites were only 3-4 months old. You need to show a solid profit for at least 3 months before trying to sell the site, otherwise you are not going to get a decent amount for the site.

A piece of advice... Whatever site you build, try to get the buyers/visitors to optin to your email list. Then when you sell the site you have a nice list, so when you launch your next site (if it's the same niche) you can mail out your optin list and get traffic back to the site (and hopefully sales) ultimately "jump starting" your next site.

You can seriously rinse and repeat the creating, launching, promoting, selling sites. It's very profitable and if you do it right will make you a lot of money.

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MervikHaums

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

Sure it does.

Why wouldn't it work. If you create profitable websites then you can
surely sell them for good profit.

Yeah, that's for 100% sure. If a website earns definitely buyers will be ready to buy it. But what about a fresh website??? And how much the price can be calculated for a website which earns around 100$ per month??? Your replies'd be much appreciated!

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MervikHaums

14 years ago

Originally Posted by nitin22

It depends upon the traffic source. Say your website earns $100, but it requires daily posting 2 hours to social media sites then you shall be lucky to get even $100 for the site.
However if your site runs on auto pilot, you should expect at least 10-12 time monthly revenue at least. If you get 20 times your current monthly earning it is probably a very good offer.

No no, not like that. It's all set. No automation. Say like an article directory. There the only job is to validate and approve submissions. What you say about such cases? How much we can claim for such sites if 60+% of traffic is coming from Google??

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dollarswealth

14 years ago

Yes it works. I never believed it befor but i was able to sell one of my blogs for $45. I may be small but I made profit considering the fact i bought the domain for just $9.99.

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Grego-Jr

14 years ago

Is it worth having a website or can u make money through affiliate links alone?

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khanhdom

14 years ago

yes you can make money, there's still a decent amount of 6 digits site flippa's. as for determining how much your site is worth to others, it all really depends, and it's kind of hard to predict. Design, amount of traffic, how easy for the buyer to maintain the revenue, etc

It's best to hope for about 10x your monthly revenue, as that seems to be going rate for autopilot good looking sites. However, I haven't checked it out too in a couple of months. Things might have changed by now.

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MassiveMarketer

14 years ago

Yes it is. You just have to create a really good design with good domain & niche. As long as it profitable, it should be good.

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Colin Palfrey

14 years ago

If you are interested in website flipping but don't know how to get into it, I recommend you look at sbucciarel sig above.

I don't normally recommend people, but I know she actually does this full time, so her course would actually be written by someone who knows what the hell they are on about LOL. I heard someone actually referencing how her course had helped them the other day, though I don't do flipping myself, I do take note of who does...and who just talks.

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CharlesDenney

14 years ago

Site flipping can be quite lucrative. Ideally, you should acquire sites that are already getting a flow of traffic and convert reasonably well. If you know what you are doing, you can tweak the sales copy to increase conversion, then revamp the graphic look and feel. Once this is done, chances are good, you can flip the site for a juicy profit.

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14 years ago

What do you people think are 'tons of money'?

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regska 14 years ago

Oh yeah! You can definitely earn big bucks by doing that. But just a reminder, it takes time. You need to build a very good website, drive traffic to it. People will not buy your website if there's no traffic and nobody knows about the website. You also need to provide valuable information as well if you want to sell you website.

Make sure that it also generates revenue, it doesn't make sense why people will buy the website if it's not generating revenues.
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aqif

14 years ago

I used to sell website last year, and it gives some good money.

But to do it full time, I don't think it suits me. But there is a lot of people make a good living by selling website.

Most important here is you are serious about it and take it as a business. Then I'm really confidence that you can great huge income by selling website.

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ChrisBa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MervikHaums

Hey guys,

Do you really think that creating a few websites is a good idea for making good money? I'd like to hear from some experienced members. You might have read about the latest sale in flippa (6 months old site got sold for nearly 20k). What do you think about it.? is it still a money making method?

Thanks for your time!

You can still make money from this, however you need to be good at it - good at research, design and execution.. you can't just randomly throw a site together and expect it to sell for $$

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MervikHaums

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ChrisBa

You can still make money from this, however you need to be good at it - good at research, design and execution.. you can't just randomly throw a site together and expect it to sell for $$

Yeah, you are very right. People will never buy websites without revenue of any kind. I'm purchasing a few domain names and starting it right the way!

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tyroneshum

14 years ago

This still works depending on how much effort you put into the website you want to get flipped and sold at couple of bucks.

Before selling websites out, it will take time for you to optimize it to even price it better. That's how the money works there.

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BlazingSwitch

14 years ago

I have made a lot of money doing this over the past 2-4 years.

I personally like to develop new sites, track and test them and traffic. See what they do, how they convert and all that for my own research, and then I will sell them off.

Some people think it's stupid and you should hold on to a site even if you do not plan to update it anymore, and if it's making money. I prefer to talk my $5/10/20/70k and be done with it. Then take that money, and invest in some new idea.

I really get bored with a site once I have 'figured it out' so to speak. I have many other ideas, and sites I want to do up on my white board. I can easily enough make the same lightning in a bottle.

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MervikHaums

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I have made a lot of money doing this over the past 2-4 years.

I personally like to develop new sites, track and test them and traffic. See what they do, how they convert and all that for my own research, and then I will sell them off.

Some people think it's stupid and you should hold on to a site even if you do not plan to update it anymore, and if it's making money. I prefer to talk my $5/10/20/70k and be done with it. Then take that money, and invest in some new idea.

I really get bored with a site once I have 'figured it out' so to speak. I have many other ideas, and sites I want to do up on my white board. I can easily enough make the same lightning in a bottle.

Yes, you have a point there. But still - I really feel like if a site really earns - we can stick with it..!! I'm not sure about this coz it will differ from person to person.

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sloanjim

14 years ago

I can't agree more. Why sell a site if it really is making money especially passive income?

The big problem for the buyer is the amount of pure lying and fabrication I see. I'd say a good % of sites sold are scams. Sure there are some good deals but Buyer beware.

Depends what sites you are selling. Those with proven income are and probably always will sell for around 10 times their monthly income. The days of the start up sites have passed I think.

You can make on average around $60 for a 'pretty' blog with PLR content. Take out your costs and your left with peanuts. I think people will pay the same for unique content as well - they don't seem to value it for some reason

thing is if you can make a site that earns money, you've done all the hard work why sell it? If you can buy an income for 10 times it's value, I think it's smarter to be a buyer - if you know what you're doing.

I know it has it's risks but where else can you get 10% per MONTH on an investment? That's doubling your money every 10 months. Why not sell your car for $10,000 and invest. wait 10 months you now have $20,000. Buy another batch and Year 2 - 40,000, year 3 - 80,000 and so on.... year 7 $1,280,000!!!

I know this is very simplified and good understanding of what you re buying is essential but you try getting to that type of income by selling websites.

You try buying a bricks and mortar business that gives that ROI. I think a lot of people treat IM as a hobby and so are unwilling to invest properly. Many use building websites as a way to earn some start up cash and that's fine, but if you treated the whole thing as an investment and looked at it from an investors point of view, this is very much a buyers market.

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MervikHaums

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sloanjim

I can't agree more. Why sell a site if it really is making money especially passive income?

The big problem for the buyer is the amount of pure lying and fabrication I see. I'd say a good % of sites sold are scams. Sure there are some good deals but Buyer beware.

You are absolutely right. But some times the sites would be really making money. But other than investing lots of money just for buying a site which is not at all generating any revenue is nothing but a crazy thing. They may be looking for branding it. But still its crazy.!!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by MervikHaums

You are absolutely right. But some times the sites would be really making money. But other than investing lots of money just for buying a site which is not at all generating any revenue is nothing but a crazy thing. They may be looking for branding it. But still its crazy.!!

If a good domain name with no traffic or revenue can be sold for a lot of money , why are you baffled that people buy sites with no traffic for any amount ??? The only reason people buy such domains is either for branding or the traffic and revenue POTENTIAL they see in the name. To make money you have to invest, having the mindset that you must only buy something that is already making money is wrong . A saavy investor should be able to see the potential in things like websites buy them for whatever price put some work into it and turn it into a revenue stream. Some people do not mind spending $2000 or more when they know that in a few weeks or months they can turn that site around and produce a nice profit month after month. If you do not know the first thing about websites and driving traffic to them, and you spend that much thinking all you need to do is buy the site and the money will roll in then you must be a dreamer.

Same thing happens in real estate a savvy developer buys a run down property for x amount and turns it into millions in a few months , sally and her friends who happen to be watching the property show on tv say oh that is easy we can do that, they put their savings together buy a property and after a year all they did was loose money. They never considered that the property developer has been doing it for years and has all the experience he needs to turn his investment into a profit.

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LondonPaladin

14 years ago

If people are talking about it, people are making money from it. But just remember that like anything else, it's about developing the skill. You have to learn what websites sell for decent $ etc. A site that is getting decent traffic is worth for more than a site that's just a cool name....

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colinph970

14 years ago

Just to add my contribution......I actually build sites for people and I've noticed a strong surge in people wanting Wordpress sites to which they can add content and then sell on for a profit. Since I have quite a few repeat customers like this, I can only assume that they are making it pay!!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by colinph970

Just to add my contribution......I actually build sites for people and I've noticed a strong surge in people wanting Wordpress sites to which they can add content and then sell on for a profit. Since I have quite a few repeat customers like this, I can only assume that they are making it pay!!

You mean site building and selling as pre-ordered right? Or building 'website about people' ??

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ninjawarrior

14 years ago

Why don't you just do one first. Build a site from scratch and try to sell. Then let us know what you learned. When you get to that point, we'll be asking YOU lots of questions, for sure!

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Sten 14 years ago

Site Flipping is nice, because in general the work you put into one website until it converts is quite less. But I would never sell an affiliate website to another affiliate, because he pays only 10 - 12 times the monthly affiliate commisions. This timeframe is too short in my opinion.

It is more interesting to sell such projects to shop owners, because their benefit is higher, cause they have usually a sales margin of 20 to 25% on physical products. I recently sold a small project with 3 pages on it for 5 times more than I can earn with amazon comisions in 1 year. It was and still is ranking for several good keywords.
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Sheryl Polomka

14 years ago

There is still money in site flipping although I don't think it is as profitable as it once was. It really also depends on how much time and effort you want to put into your websites that you are going to sell.
Established sites will always sell better, especially if they are built up and making some income already, however you can also still make money building and selling new sites. It is a matter of playing around and finding what works for you.

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sabun

14 years ago

Ya of course, it's quite like selling turnkey businesses ... depends how good you are in convincing investors that your website is profitable

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Simon Johnson

14 years ago

Buying and selling web sites (and domains) works very well, but like anything - you need to put time and effort into it.

If you think you can just register a domain, put up some junk posts and sell it on a site like Flippa - think again! Its not a sustainable business model and you will waste your $$$.

The key is adding value - building a site that someone can take and develop "to the next level".

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MervikHaums

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Simon Johnson

Buying and selling web sites (and domains) works very well, but like anything - you need to put time and effort into it.

If you think you can just register a domain, put up some junk posts and sell it on a site like Flippa - think again! Its not a sustainable business model and you will waste your $$$.

The key is adding value - building a site that someone can take and develop "to the next level".

Yeah, that's very true. If the site shows good potential and a professional feel buyers would be interested even if it doesn't have any earnings.

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Jahbrand

14 years ago

Does buying and selling landed properties work? If yes then buying and selling websites work as well.

Buying and selling website is like the normal offline real estate, it is very hot but there is always a learning period.

I strongly agreed with yommys01 he has shown me the way to start with website flipping and in a matter of days I should also be making money from website flipping.

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neversleep

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MervikHaums

Hey guys,

Do you really think that creating a few websites is a good idea for making good money? I'd like to hear from some experienced members. You might have read about the latest sale in flippa (6 months old site got sold for nearly 20k). What do you think about it.? is it still a money making method?

Thanks for your time!

i may not expert on creating website and selling. but what i know, there still lot of businessman that has an interest on buying websites for their products. This is still effective now a days.

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MervikHaums

14 years ago

Hey guys, I don't know whether this technique will work for me to bring a few $$$s. Anyways I have started a few sites to flip. Lets see

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addictiod

14 years ago

Of course is still working!
If you have an website that have's high traffic, good content and all the necessary things for a website to be in the stage OK, then you can monetize it or sell it.
I know a couple of people & friends that have sold their websites after a few months with a good price, without working hard.

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azsno

14 years ago

Site "Flipping" is an excellent way to start in IM, I've been doing it for over 3 years now, and make a "FT" living building and flipping sites...

My latest Flippa Auction brought in $6,600 from 5 AdSense mini sites, you can see the actual auction here: AbsoluteFitnessEquip.com - Website for Sale: $16,779 Five AdSense Autoblogs - 68,452 Uniques - 1 Million Page Views - $1 Bid

When you add up all of the income from these 5 mini sites (Amazon, AdSense, and eBay), they made over $8,000 in the month of July!

If you learn how to create sites that make income, then you'll never go hungry, PLUS you'll cut yourself out of the herd of "new" site flippers coming online everyday...

Hope this helps....

~AzSno...

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