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It Did Not Work For Me So It Will Not Work For YOU!

by pheonix44
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What is with people trying something and failing at it then claiming that said opportunity does not work? I have seen this alot, just because something did not work for a given person does not mean it won't work for you. Everyone is different and not everyone will be committed to doing what it takes to make something work. If this is the case then they will have a hard time. There will be a learning curve sometimes, and those who understand this and see their failure as a lesson can be a success.

But those who are looking to get rich quick will always be upset. My point is, do not claim that just because something did not work for you that it must be a scam or that it is a waste of time. Not everything will work for everyone, it is a matter of finding out your strengths and building them up so strong that they make up for your weaknesses.
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  • Profile picture of the author mr.marketing
    Seems to be the internet standard in my experience. The funny thing is I am starting to notice this attitude shifting into the physical world as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
      This attitude has been around as long as people. Maybe even earlier, although I don't really think dinosaurs gave that much though to it.

      I've been guilty of that sort of thinking myself, until I realized that every day, people were accomplishing that which other people thought couldn't be done.
      Too many people give up in disgust, when they should be saying, "Okay, that approach isn't working, what can I change or do differently to make it work?" When I learned that the problem wasn't as much with the overall concept as my approach to it, I found that I could do what others told me was impossible. That was in the physical world, but I've seen it work that way online, as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
    Do you think it has anything to do with ego?
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  • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
    It reminds me of an experience I had one day where some people were trying to kick in a door because the people on the other side had locked themselves in. These guys were really big and I am a skinny guy. They told me I they could not do it then I could not. What I did was focus all my energy on the center piece and then kicked it there hard and quick, and then pop, the door flew open. Just an example.
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  • Profile picture of the author Orator
    "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge

    Persistence is a better trait to have then raw talent in any field.
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticlePrince
    Almost anything can be done successfully, it just depends on how much time and energy you are willing to put into it.
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  • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
    Also if you are willing to make the right adjustments to make sure you are doing it right. This is why they say it is better to jump in and learn as you go along.
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    • Profile picture of the author ArticlePrince
      Originally Posted by pheonix44 View Post

      Also if you are willing to make the right adjustments to make sure you are doing it right.
      That's a great point. When I start thinking that something 'doesn't work', I go back through history. Edison tried 10,000 times, Disney went to 400+ banks (and then build on 'unusable land').... it goes on and on. Most things are possible, people just give up too quickly.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        For the most part, what you're saying is true. There are many variables that
        go into any kind of marketing tactic, which is why I've been saying for years
        that not everybody is cut out for this business.

        Having said that, there are some things I've seen that I'd be almost willing
        to bet don't have a snowball's chance in hell of producing any substantial
        results.

        For example: Posting ads on FFA sites ** NOTE ** I mean specifically posting
        and NOT hosting. Big difference.

        Because of the nature of FFA sites and their structure, it is rare, very rare,
        that anybody will see the ad you posted.

        That's a given and you can pretty much take that to the bank.

        So yeah, if somebody here said, "I've been posting these one line ads
        on FFA sites for 5 months now and haven't made one sale...FFA sites
        suck and don't work" you can bet your best mule that they don't.

        So there are always exceptions to the "depends on how much work you
        put into it" excuse.

        Sometimes, it honestly doesn't matter.
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  • Profile picture of the author Orator
    That is how I approached IM Phoenix, I quit my job and sort of threw myself into the deep end.

    It was quite a steep learning curve.

    The problem is some people are afraid to make the necessary changes when taking that kind of action, and they suffer because of it.
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      Originally Posted by Orator View Post

      That is how I approached IM Phoenix, I quit my job and sort of threw myself into the deep end.

      It was quite a steep learning curve.

      The problem is some people are afraid to make the necessary changes when taking that kind of action, and they suffer because of it.
      I agree, fear of failure is a huge setback. Notice why the percentage of successful people in this world is much much smaller than those who arent. Failure is lurking everywhere, it just all depends on how you deal with it..

      For those who try and pass off their own failure as the end of the road simply gave up, and cant except the truth that they gave up, for those who can see that will lead a successful life.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rockmanfl
        I think it really does come down the mindset, especially since so many of us grow and learn in school to go to college, get a good job working for someone else and then retire someday

        I don't think that the idea of starting your own business, making your own money is really taught in school. So I think so many people have a hard time believing that they can actually do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author vj2131
    I think that people often forget that, even when it comes to business, there are multiple intelligences. Some people are naturally good at networking and therefore could really strike it rich in the world of offline consulting. Others are excellent at writing and do better with article marketing and blogging. Not every business model is for everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lilach
    It's so true.

    Everyone has different experiences and does different marketing activities. Even if you attempt to "copy" someone it doesn't guarantee you success.

    At the end of the day, people buy from those they like and trust.

    It's also about how much work you put in and the mindset you have. I have seen many people fail purely because they didn't work hard enough.

    I never think it's about the opportunity, but about the person selling the product and how they position themselves.

    That said, sometimes a bit of luck doesn't hurt and it often helps coming into something that isn't a satrated market.

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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
      Man, so many good things to respond to all in a row here! (I'm never going to get back to work at this rate.)

      Originally Posted by Orator View Post

      Persistence is a better trait to have then raw talent in any field.
      I agree with that, because even if you're terrible, persistence will create a measurable result. Talent doesn't do anything without application. Now persistent development of a talent is where the real possibilities are. And that should be considered a duty to your fellow man, to develop and share whatever God, genetics, fortune or fate decided to bless you with.

      Originally Posted by ArticlePrince View Post

      Almost anything can be done successfully, it just depends on how much time and energy you are willing to put into it.
      Oh yeah? Get pregnant and have a baby. Generally speaking, you're right. Just saying - sometimes grit just won't do it.

      Originally Posted by pheonix44 View Post

      Also if you are willing to make the right adjustments to make sure you are doing it right. This is why they say it is better to jump in and learn as you go along.
      I agree with this 100%. I tell people that whatever it is you're into online, wherever you go on forums or blogs or whatever, you can turn the pursuit of that interest into money even if all you do is get a free blogger blog and post a snippet and opinion of everything you read online and stick some Adsense on it. You are an experiential filter and when you consume, digest, and regurgitate information for your fellow man in tangible form, that has VALUE. Keeping it in your head does not.

      Originally Posted by Orator View Post

      That is how I approached IM Phoenix, I quit my job and sort of threw myself into the deep end.
      I did something similar - though you don't have to be so drastic. I wanted to learn IM, but I was in a mid-level corporate job doing e-commerce. So I quit and go a job doing e-commerce at a company that put more focus on SEO and IM.

      I took a job where I could get paid to learn what I needed. I specifically sought out that job, and it turns out the guy I was working for co-founded StomperNet and through persistent volunteering, I got hired over there.

      Now, I have a story and I have a skillset and I haven't had to try real hard to market myself at all since I went out on my own, and when I do, I have a really good and valuable story that attaches the strength of my experience to every bit of info I might ever provide.

      Now, I got lucky in how this story is unfolding, but the STORY is important.

      Originally Posted by vj2131 View Post

      I think that people often forget that, even when it comes to business, there are multiple intelligences. Some people are naturally good at networking and therefore could really strike it rich in the world of offline consulting. Others are excellent at writing and do better with article marketing and blogging. Not every business model is for everyone.
      Absolutely. I can write all day long - it's easy. I can argue sides of things I don't even agree with - I LOVE communication. I consider it my art form in that I truly, truly love sitting here and writing to people all day.

      Salesletter, blog, forum post, whatever. It's not borne out of ego because I guarantee 99% of the stuff you've ever read of mine had someone else's name on it. But I worked really hard to make sure you liked it ANYWAY.

      I would never be able to muster that kind of passion for a PPC campaign. It's just not in me. It's too fiddly and crunchy, if that makes sense. I can get much more impact from my efforts if I DO what I'm good at, what's unique to ME, and outsource the stuff I don't know, or don't like to do.

      One of my personal faults is that I have a rampaging curiosity and an autodidactic nature. So I'll catch myself trying to learn PHP, when I should just hire someone to do it for me, so I can do THIS kind of thing more often.

      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      For example: Posting ads on FFA sites ** NOTE ** I mean specifically posting and NOT hosting. Big difference.
      Steven's one of the only guys I know that types more than me. Geez, FFA sites? Can you even find those anymore? I get your point, but you really show how long you've been in IM when you start talking about those!

      Remember traffic exchanges?
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Colin Theriot View Post

        Remember traffic exchanges?
        Now THOSE can still be monetized...easily.

        No, don't worry, I'm not going to go into a long spiel here on how, but take
        my word for it, they can be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Phil Miller
    Sometimes this is the case because it was working then it got saturated. People need to learn to take something put their own twist on it and make it unique. Everything that has made me money in IM has been using this logic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Orator
    I did something similar - though you don't have to be so drastic. I wanted to learn IM, but I was in a mid-level corporate job doing e-commerce. So I quit and go a job doing e-commerce at a company that put more focus on SEO and IM.

    I took a job where I could get paid to learn what I needed. I specifically sought out that job, and it turns out the guy I was working for co-founded StomperNet and through persistent volunteering, I got hired over there.

    Now, I have a story and I have a skillset and I haven't had to try real hard to market myself at all since I went out on my own, and when I do, I have a really good and valuable story that attaches the strength of my experience to every bit of info I might ever provide.

    Now, I got lucky in how this story is unfolding, but the STORY is important.
    Sounds like a very intelligent approach. I simply got tired of not being my own boss, so at the ripe old age of 20 I threw myself into the game. I mostly worked as an independent freelancer doing anything I could to make a buck. In the process though I was given a pretty well rounded education in IM, and I saw first hand how to make a good IM business run.

    Your correct the story is important, but everyone's story is unique. For some of us, Internet Marketing is the lifeblood that allows us to live. For others is an easy way to earn some money to pay off some extra bills.
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    LOL, I believe my sig says it all...
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  • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
    I agree with that, because even if you're terrible, persistence will create a measurable result. Talent doesn't do anything without application. Now persistent development of a talent is where the real possibilities are. And that should be considered a duty to your fellow man, to develop and share whatever God, genetics, fortune or fate decided to bless you with
    That is what I have decided to do, focus on my strengths and stop worrying about my weaknesses.
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