Movie and Music Download sites BEWARE!

15 years ago

"In one example, a DVD made in Malaysia for 70 cents was sold for $9 in London, according to the report."

In another, a DVD made in China for 15 cents was sold for $29.95 in... no, wait, that was a normal DVD sale by the studio. Never mind. :rolleyes:

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Online Bliss

15 years ago

Offline, at least locally
ASCAP and other officials have been visiting nightclubs
and demanding proof of purchase from Dance DJ's and Karaoke DJ's.
I do not see how this can work because some
DJ's create their own mix but everyone seems to be cracking down lately.

For those who don't know ASCAP and BMI demand Royalty payments
from every nightclub (Bar) with a jukebox or Televised event but they used to not bother with contract entertainers.

Sorry if I got off track.

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Andyhenry

15 years ago

Why BEWARE! ???

It's illegal - if you do it you get what you deserve.

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WillR

15 years ago

Is this really anything new? Everyone knows Piracy is illegal - those whose don't will get what they deserve.

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frqhuss

15 years ago

If one choose a wrong way to get something he will get paid for that very soon...

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davewebsmith

15 years ago

well it could be because the music industry is on the brink of total collapse
and there is no TARP for them

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thebarksmeow

15 years ago

I really want it to collapse. Go back to the days when it's really about the music and not the money. Like when artists played in bars just for free drinks and tips. Not looking for a million dollar record deal and becoming famous.

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sbucciarel

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by thebarksmeow

I really want it to collapse. Go back to the days when it's really about the music and not the money. Like when artists played in bars just for free drinks and tips. Not looking for a million dollar record deal and becoming famous.

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... and all Internet Marketers should give away their knowledge for free
... and all farmers should give all their crops away
... and doctors and lawyers should work for free
... and car dealers should just give you your pick of cars for free

la la land

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BrianMcLeod

15 years ago

Originally Posted by thebarksmeow

I really want it to collapse. Go back to the days when it's really about the music and not the money. Like when artists played in bars just for free drinks and tips. Not looking for a million dollar record deal and becoming famous.

Heysoos Christos...

Artists should play for drinks in bars and tips...

Maybe YOU should work at McDonalds for $7/hr and free lunch.

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Rikki_Fawkes 15 years ago

Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod

Heysoos Christos...

Artists should play for drinks in bars and tips...

Maybe YOU should work at McDonalds for $7/hr and free lunch.

Yeah - slippery slope right thurrr

Though I do wish musicians these days would come up with some other theme for their lyrics besides flaunting *how much* money they make. It's becoming a tiring theme...

But do it for tips and drinks? Hardly. Creating music is expensive. Very, very expensive.
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ozduc

15 years ago

Originally Posted by thebarksmeow

I really want it to collapse. Go back to the days when it's really about the music and not the money. Like when artists played in bars just for free drinks and tips. Not looking for a million dollar record deal and becoming famous.

The fact is that most artist who played in bars and clubs for free drinks and tips were all wishing for that million dollar record deal.

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WillR

15 years ago

The music and movie industries have taken a LONG time to get this. You can't stop the illegal sharing of music and videos. If people want to do it they will find a way. You shut down Napster, up pops Kazaa. You shut that down, up pops the next.

If they have any chance of holding on to any sort of profit made from the download of music and movies they need to be pro-active NOT re-active.

Not long ago I came across a legitimate website that allows people to download a big selection of music tracks for free. How did this work? There were advertisements you saw every time you downloaded a song and a percentage of the revenue generated from those advertisements then went back to the artists whose songs were downloaded.

The user gets the song for free (which they would have found a way to do regardless) and the artist gets their commission for the download. A win win for both parties. These are the sorts of ideas the music and movie industry need to implement if they want to retain any sort of control over the future of their industry.

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thebarksmeow

15 years ago

Umm... maybe people misunderstood what I was saying. I produce music. So I know what goes into it. However, I do it for fun. The point is people are making crap and want to get into the music industry for the wrong reasons. They don't love it or have a passion for it. I'm referring to the record companies specifically anyway. The artists don't make money off of their album, the record companies do. Everyone knows that. That is wrong. And creating music is expensive? That is definitely not true.

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Rikki_Fawkes

15 years ago

Originally Posted by thebarksmeow

Umm... maybe people misunderstood what I was saying. I produce music. So I know what goes into it. However, I do it for fun. The point is people are making crap and want to get into the music industry for the wrong reasons. They don't love it or have a passion for it. I'm referring to the record companies specifically anyway. The artists don't make money off of their album, the record companies do. Everyone knows that. That is wrong. And creating music is expensive? That is definitely not true.

Well producing it certainly is - between hiring musicians, the recording studio, or even the equipment if you want to do it yourself. I've done that, and it don't come cheap. Maybe you've had a different experience? Or maybe we have different definitions of expensive.

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thebarksmeow

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Rikki_Fawkes

Well producing it certainly is - between hiring musicians, the recording studio, or even the equipment if you want to do it yourself. I've done that, and it don't come cheap. Maybe you've had a different experience? Or maybe we have different definitions of expensive.

Well... I have a little home studio and my own equipment. Probably totals to around $5000. Not too expensive if you considerate an investment.

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Rikki_Fawkes

15 years ago

Originally Posted by thebarksmeow

Well... I have a little home studio and my own equipment. Probably totals to around $5000. Not too expensive if you considerate an investment.

Well, I guess since I can't make that money back quickly, I consider it really expensive. But for someone who does it for a living, it probably is an investment, and not too huge in comparison with other business ventures.

BTW, you don't know of a software (free trial or other) that lets you completely create music on the computer (no other instruments or hookups necessary) and produce it to send to a singer, do you? I downloaded several the other day to try out, but can't open them until I'm right ready to use them since they are 30-day trials. I just ask because the singer I wrote the song for does not want to pay for studio musicians as the first resort. Thanks

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thebarksmeow

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Rikki_Fawkes

Well, I guess since I can't make that money back quickly, I consider it really expensive. But for someone who does it for a living, it probably is an investment, and not too huge in comparison with other business ventures.

BTW, you don't know of a software (free trial or other) that lets you completely create music on the computer (no other instruments or hookups necessary) and produce it to send to a singer, do you? I downloaded several the other day to try out, but can't open them until I'm right ready to use them since they are 30-day trials. I just ask because the singer I wrote the song for does not want to pay for studio musicians as the first resort. Thanks

You can with FL studio and Reason.

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Rikki_Fawkes 15 years ago

Originally Posted by thebarksmeow

You can with FL studio and Reason.

Hey, thanks for the tip. Incidentally, those were two of the ones I downloaded, so I'll be sure to try those out first. I appreciate the input!
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MichaelHiles

15 years ago

Last time I checked, it was in communist nations that the concept of (intellectual) property ownership didn't exist.

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ozduc

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

I love these stupid stats always quoted of "lost revenue". So these pirates who download hundreds of movies each year, they would have bought them otherwise? Yeah right.

Music and movie industry, wake up. You've been ripping people off for years. Concentrate on providing real value. Make a movie that people will go to the cinema to watch and go on tour more often. Don't just churn out yet another remake.

How are these industries "ripping us off"?
They are providing entertainment. They are not forcing anyone to buy their product. If you don't want to see the latest A-Team movie then don't go and pay your 10 bucks. If you don't want to buy the latest Brittany Spears CD then no one is forcing you to.
I presume by your ID that you create your own products, so how about you give me a copy of some of them so I can duplicate them and sell them on the black market? Of course it will only be to people that wouldn't have purchased from you anyway.:confused:

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thebarksmeow

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ozduc

How are these industries "ripping us off"?
They are providing entertainment. They are not forcing anyone to buy their product. If you don't want to see the latest A-Team movie then don't go and pay your 10 bucks. If you don't want to buy the latest Brittany Spears CD then no one is forcing you to.
I presume by your ID that you create your own products, so how about you give me a copy of some of them so I can duplicate them and sell them on the black market? Of course it will only be to people that wouldn't have purchased from you anyway.:confused:

See, I think you missed his point. He doesn't mind paying if what he's getting his money's worth. Of course value is dependent on the individual. I pay comcast cable almost $100 a month. I don't mind paying but I don't feel I'm getting $100 worth of value. Therefore I feel I am getting "ripped off".

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ozduc

15 years ago

Originally Posted by thebarksmeow

See, I think you missed his point. He doesn't mind paying if what he's getting his money's worth. Of course value is dependent on the individual. I pay comcast cable almost $100 a month. I don't mind paying but I don't feel I'm getting $100 worth of value. Therefore I feel I am getting "ripped off".

Well as you pointed out value is dependent on the individual. Personally I wouldn't pay $10 to see the A-team movie but millions of people would. Do I feel it is a ripoff? No because no one is forcing me to pay and see it.
As for your cable company, that is a pretty stupid statement. They are not forcing you to pay $100 a month so if you feel the value is not there, then why are you paying it?

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thebarksmeow

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ozduc

Well as you pointed out value is dependent on the individual. Personally I wouldn't pay $10 to see the A-team movie but millions of people would. Do I feel it is a ripoff? No because no one is forcing me to pay and see it.
As for your cable company, that is a pretty stupid statement. They are not forcing you to pay $100 a month so if you feel the value is not there, then why are you paying it?

I'm paying for it because I like television (I need my ESPN). If there was a tiered service where I could pay only for what I watch, that would be great. Based on the channels I actually do watch, I feel like I should only be paying $30 tops. But instead I'm forced into a package.

So are you saying I should not pay at all and miss my favorite shows? Or just suck it up (like I do now), watch my favorite shows, and then complain about it? I choose the latter.

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thebarksmeow

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

The music and the movie industry are being hit the hardest because they have the most ridiculous system in the first place.

Notice that the video game industry has not been brought to its knees in the same way despite the fact that piracy is also rampant there too.

Music: look at the amount of money an artist actually gets. Look at how much the record companies and distributors cream off the price.

If most of the money went to the artists and a tiny percentage on overheads, everyone would be happy. Artists could get paid more, consumers would pay less.

Right now, every time you buy a CD, you subsidise the entire ridiculously inefficient process and you reward the moguls.

Remember when CDs were invented? They are cheaper to manufacture than cassette tapes. And yet, they were an excuse to make music even more expensive, despite manufacturing costs going down.

Yes, nobody forces anyone to buy music. But the media machine rams it down our throats all the time.

The movie industry - again, something similar. The move from VHS tapes to DVDs. I don't even go to the cinema or buy DVDs anyway - I simply wait for it to come onto TV which takes around two years.

IMO, what is happening with the music and movie industry is not a simple case of piracy and intellectual property. It is a highly specialised case where the price of such media is astronomically high and there are other unique circumstances as described above.

I do believe in the enforcement of copyright law. But when some industries have had total carte blanche and have not been regulated properly, to see them wailing in their death throes because they failed to (and refuse to) adapt frankly makes me laugh.

Luckily, I think there is a better future for everyone except the execs - it looks like the middleman is being cut out more and more often and it is also becoming easier for people to remain independent and yet still reach a huge audience. Everybody wins, except the execs.

I love this post. Well said.

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sbucciarel

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

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I actually forgot to make my main point in response to the "ripping off".

I think that there is a much bigger picture than just piracy. These bad companies are now getting a comeuppance. I believe in karma and that what comes around goes around.

Yeah, I believe in karma too and believe that you can use any reasons you want to justify theft and piracy but that don't make it right and if you do it, you'll get what you deserve.

You don't like the music industry or movie industry, don't buy or make your own hopelessly boring music and movies. Don't bother trying to convince me why it's ok to rip them off.

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Dan C. Rinnert 15 years ago

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

I think that the market should be regulated by government to cap prices.

If you limit what I can charge for something, you limit the incentive to create something exceptional. Creating something exceptional typically takes more time and work than creating something mediocre. However, if prices are capped, it makes more sense to produce a large quantity of mediocre work than a small quantity of exceptional work, because price caps make it more profitable to be mediocre than to be exceptional.

I think that intellectual property laws in this day and age of the internet need to be revisited. Weren't the laws written in the days when there was no TV and only books?

In the U.S., television broadcasts began in the 1940s.

Through various laws and conventions, U.S. copyright laws were modified in 1954, 1973, 1988, 1994, 1998 and 2005.
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ozduc

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

I believe that the prices of many forms of entertainment are artificially high due to cartels/monopolies. I believe that if it were cheaper, that consumers would buy more (as has been witnessed with downloads).

Think about it and even the effect on society. We now absurdly equate being a musician or a movie star with mega-million riches. These values have even been instilled in our children, many of whom no longer have any ambitions for a career but instead want their one lucky shot as a result of horrible TV shows like xfactor/American Idol etc.

I think that the market should be regulated by government to cap prices.

There are many other things I think should be regulated, especially the food industry.

I think that there is a much bigger picture than just piracy. These bad companies are now getting a comeuppance. I believe in karma and that what comes around goes around.

I don't understand how you can say the movie and music business is a monopoly. In this day and age of the internet it has made it more accessible than ever in the history of the world for anyone with a PC and internet connection to get their product out to the masses. How is that a monopoly?
As for the values you speak of, if your child has a specific musical or acting talent that millions of people want to see or hear, then why shouldn't they become wealthy because of that?
As for more government regulation, well maybe you should just pack up and move to a communist country where you will have everything dictated to you as to what you can and can not do in YOUR business.

Oh BTW I just spoke with my friend in the Senate and they've decided that your WSO's are too expensive and a ripoff, so they will be passing a new law that says you have to sell them for $2 instead of $8. Don't you just love government regulation of this industry.

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Mike Grant

15 years ago

That's why you use offshore registration and offshore hosting if you're going to do such a thing.

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- Dan C. Rinnert 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by r.smith
  
  Everyone knows Piracy is illegal, so just hate it!!
  
  Ironic, considering your current signature link...
  
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- sbucciarel Banned 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by r.smith
  
  Everyone knows Piracy is illegal, so just hate it!!
  
  Not only is this ironic considering the link in your sig, but the link in your sig is an affiliate link which is against TOS here, so I suggest you remove it, even though the link doesn't work.
  
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