Were You Conned By The Gurus?

13 years ago

My question is, what are the "exercise in the morning for 30 minutes, and eat 6 portion sized healthy meals per day"

Lose weight = exercise more and eat less.

Business success = create a product that has real value for real people and make sure they know about it through continuous marketing effort.

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ryanbiddulph

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Neil Morgan

Lose weight = exercise more and eat less.

Business success = create a product that has real value for real people and make sure they know about it through continuous marketing effort.

I second Neil's advice.

I also advise to lose the victim mentality. It will kill your chances at being successful. You were taught an awesome lesson by people who you feel left you out in the cold.

The same thing happened to me but when I decided to chalk it up to experience I was freed from the destructive bond to the past. In truth, I did zero homework do I deserved not to succeed.

Make taking responsibility for *everything* that happens in your life, your mantra. It doesn't mean that you wanted it or desired it to happen, but once you take ownership of a circumstance it no longer holds power over you.

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Rob Howard

13 years ago

Mass Control is NOT a fad. If done correctly, it can bring you a lot of money. It, like Product Launch Formula, is based in psychological principals that build trust, hype, and authority.

The key is FOCUS, testing, planning, and experience.

Not just with Mass Control - the question is - how long did you give it to work? It seems like you've been jumping from thing to thing instead of focusing on one business model and working it until it makes you cash.

The habits you are talking about is picking a system and working that system day in and out, without fail.

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MichaelHiles

13 years ago

lol... conned by gurus... lordie

How could you be "conned"?

I know someone who bought a franchise for a well-known food service operation. They opened and built up the business, but because they were in a bad location, and traffic patterns ended up changing because of new development, the business failed.

I suppose my friend was conned by the franchisor.

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Jill Carpenter 13 years ago

Actually, I have implemented some of those fads and made money.

Keep the fads and get rich quick schemes coming folks!

(and no, I didn't do it by promoting such fads - only by following the directions in them)
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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Actually that franchisor must really suck!

They didn't hire a 3rd party to find out traffic statistics? If they did they would know upfront the location sucked.

A real franchise won't ask If you want the traffic data, they will just hire out, & bill you to cover their own arse. If a franchise fails the franchisor will lose money, from future payments, If the franchise goes belly up.

So yes, in your example the franchisor failed to deliver.

Failing to deliver is not the same as being conned.

It may not have been a great "product", but the franchisee got what they paid for. It's not like they paid $250,000 for a franchise that didn't exist.

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MichaelHiles

13 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Actually that franchisor must really suck!

They didn't hire a 3rd party to find out traffic statistics? If they did they would know upfront the location sucked.

A real franchise won't ask If you want the traffic data, they will just hire out, & bill you to cover their own arse. If a franchise fails the franchisor will lose money, from future payments, If the franchise goes belly up.

So yes, in your example the franchisor failed to deliver.

Really? The franchisor failed to deliver the business operation and systems?

Seems to me that the franschisee got exactly what they paid for, the business system and license to use the name and products.

Whose responsibility is it to hire the service for location study?

rofl

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Rob Howard

13 years ago

Don't bother Michael - some people expect everything handed on a silver platter.

Rob

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

Really? The franchisor failed to deliver the business operation and systems?

Seems to me that the franschisee got exactly what they paid for, the business system and license to use the name and products.

Whose responsibility is it to hire the service for location study?

rofl

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MichaelHiles

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ccmusicman

Don't bother Michael - some people expect everything handed on a silver platter.

Rob

Yeah, I realize that.

Because the Warrior Forum has really been overrun by people like this in the past year, I have stopped contributing real "meat and potatos".

Theres a Christian biblical scripture that talks about "casting pearls before swine".

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Robert Puddy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

Yeah, I realize that.

Because the Warrior Forum has really been overrun by people like this in the past year, I have stopped contributing real "meat and potatos".

Theres a Christian biblical scripture that talks about "casting pearls before swine".

Actually Michael most of the successful people selling the MMO systems know that casting pearls before swine means they are pretty safe when they release systems they are using right now.

They know it will never be used in enough quantity to make any difference to their results, so they are not worried about releasing strategy they are using for themselves.

making this comment nonsense and dangerous...And the reason why sceptics fail. They only follow the instructions on the packaging in a half hearted way

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

Chris, here is some general advice.

If you are reading about a system from an MMO product, it is already too late. The ship has sailed. Yesterday's systems are what Gurus market today.

Systems that work today wouldn't be sold until they start to lose there effectiveness.

Nobody is going to tell you how to make money, even for money.

- Stede

Though I do understand the frustration of delivering meat and potatoes in a forum for free and seeing your best work ignored... Dont have a problem when people who paid ignore it thats their fault

Does wrankle though when its freely given and then ignored

Robert

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Originally Posted by yukon

Actually that franchisor must really suck!

They didn't hire a 3rd party to find out traffic statistics? If they did they would know upfront the location sucked.

A real franchise won't ask If you want the traffic data, they will just hire out, & bill you to cover their own arse. If a franchise fails the franchisor will lose money, from future payments, If the franchise goes belly up.

So yes, in your example the franchisor failed to deliver.

Failing to deliver doesn't mean con. Franchises fail all over the country for one reason or another. That doesn't mean franchises are a con.

There are no perfect plans, and no one succeeds 100% of the time. Mass Control is a sound strategy. That doesn't mean every Mass Control campaign will be successful. Building adsense sites can be profitable. That doesn't mean an adsense site can't fail. Making movies in Hollywood can make you a lot of money. That doesn't mean Hollywood movies never lose money. And so on, and so on.....

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Frank Murphy

13 years ago

Hi Chris. It is good that you have tried quite a few aspects of IM already. Look back at your failures. Reflect hard. Which among these failures got you the most results? Captured your interest/passion the most? I am sure there is 1 or 2 of the few methods you mentioned that got you a little results than the rest? Continue to work on that particular project. Chances are high that you will eventually yield success with that method. Get to know someone who is an expert here on that particular topic. Make it your "morning excercise" to chat with him/her daily or every 2 days. Your 6 portions would be to simply ACT on the advise your mentor gives you. ASK if in doubt. It will make the ride to success a little less rougher. Let me know if that doesn't work.

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ozduc

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ChrisAnthony24

I tried to do a mass control product launch like Frank Kern, I tried to make money in CPA like the Arbitrage Conspiracy guys, I tried Google Cash, Nitro Blueprint, and others, and ALL FAILED. My question is, what are the "exercise in the morning for 30 minutes, and eat 6 portion sized healthy meals per day" of internet marketing? What are the daily habits that we should do, to virtually guarantee success over the long haul?

Your thoughts are appreciated....

Chris, without knowing what you have done with all those products it is very hard for anyone here to give you the key points to what you should be doing. So to make it easier for all (including yourself) why don't you sit down and make a list of all the things you did do regarding each of the programs you mentioned. Give examples of sites you built, how you drove traffic, some of your CPA sites etc. and post it here. Then people will be able to give you a more detailed response.
The problem I see is that there are people who have become very successful using some of those programs, so maybe it is just something simple or a minor tweak in your strategy that you are not doing that is holding you back.

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

To the OP.

This thread is what I politely refer to as MASSIVE FAIL

There is nothing else for me to say.

:rolleyes::confused:

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Michael Oksa 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

You are some cranky and unprofessional dude. Why do you even bother posting on this forum? Oh yeah, the signature. Take a vacation.

- Stede

You should have seen him before!

Just kidding, Steven. You're alright.

But I did notice someone who may be trying to break your record for posts in a day. They have made 35 posts in 2 hours and 11 minutes. Now that's impressive.

Anyway, Stede, he's only human, and to be honest, I've seen everyone (you and me included) make some cranky comments. But how is writing a post about somebody else being cranky any different?

Answer: It isn't.

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rts2271 13 years ago

Steve isn't this a mega fail? I thought a massive fail involved a opening statement like...hold my beer and a trip to the emergency room.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

To the OP.

This thread is what I politely refer to as MASSIVE FAIL

There is nothing else for me to say.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by ChrisAnthony24

I tried to do a mass control product launch like Frank Kern, I tried to make money in CPA like the Arbitrage Conspiracy guys, I tried Google Cash, Nitro Blueprint, and others, and ALL FAILED. What are the daily habits that we should do, to virtually guarantee success over the long haul? Your thoughts are appreciated....

Chris, in all honestly, the only things that are going to GUARANTEE your success in IM are the same things that guarantee your success in any business venture.

Sheer determination and a mentality that failure IS NOT an option!

In all of the programs that you mentioned, there are IMers who succeeded.

They succeeded because failure was not an option.

You apparently had an option to fail.

Until you get to that point with IM where you will WIN; end of story, you will continue to putter along.

There is no magic pill to success in this business.

Learn the basics such as SEO, both On Page and Off Page. Learn Niche Research. Learn Keyword Research and most importantly, learn Internet MARKETING!

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InternetMarketingIQ

13 years ago

Same old story... sell the shovels... let the fools dig for the Gold.

If you look at the "Shelf life" of the programs/tricks/methods being created you'll find they are very short.

Why do people buy these products? Because people are easily fooled when they are in the "Chase the Dream" mindset.

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by InternetMarketingIQ

Same old story... sell the shovels... let the fools dig for the Gold.

If you look at the "Shelf life" of the programs/tricks/methods being created you'll find they are very short.

Why do people buy these products? Because people are easily fooled when they are in the "Chase the Dream" mindset.

The shelf life of Nitro Blueprint, which I think came out a year or two ago, is
still going strong because it is a solid product with solid principles.

Are there schemes out there? Quick fix gimmicks? Sure, but not out of
the list of products the OP mentioned. These are products that are
based on solid principles of marketing.

Some people just aren't cut out for running their own business.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Good call, Giles!

I intially had the same words highlighted in what was going to be my first response, but then I didn't submit it.

But those were the words that jumped out at me, too.

I guess the real question the OP is asking is "what are the actionable steps I need to take?" But there isn't any good answer until one can get rid of the "try this, try that" mindset.

All the best,
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Good call, Giles!

I intially had the same words highlighted in what was going to be my first response, but then I didn't submit it.

But those were the words that jumped out at me, too.

I guess the real question the OP is asking is "what are the actionable steps I need to take?" But there isn't any good answer until one can get rid of the "try this, try that" mindset.

All the best,
Michael

Michael, you nailed it better than me with the "Mindset"!

In 2008, we had about four dozen potential members start the process of joining our IM Team. At that time, if someone was local and wanted to network with us, I'd let them in and start sharing IM insights and tactics.

What amazed me was, they bought software and various ebooks and did a few things and then POOF, they were nowhere to be found.

Finally, after dealing with so many flakes, I changed my entry process to this.

(a). They must take the 30 Day Challenge and complete it in it's entirety
(b). They must take and pass our keyword research evaluation test to prove that they comprehend keyword research
(c). They must acquire a hosting account and launch two static sites and two WordPress blogs
(d). They must open 3 Web 2.0 accounts and make two posts each
(e). They must open 3 Article Directory accounts and successfully post 2 articles each.

All of the sudden, the flakes and all those who boastfully asserted they wanted to succeed at IM dropped off completely!

Turns out, they were really only looking for the next great push button easy queasy money making magic pill .

They were in IM to "Try it out" sorta like they tried out Network Marketing and failed, Multi-level Marketing and failed, etc., etc. and failed. The majority of them talked the talk but didn't walk the walk.

Hopefully that's not the mindset of the OP.:confused:

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

One great example is Steven Wagenheim's NMP product. This thing is amazing. DIRT CHEAP and so much value. You will wonder why you paid $200+ for anything.

You don't even have to even use it. Just download, install on your local computer and learn how a pro chooses keywords. Look at the free website landing pages included and examine them.

Learn how everything works together without someone having to guide you step by step. How can you integrate with PPC? Everything is there, just examine and figure out what you need to do.

- Stede

Now you're just being rude.

And violating forum rules.

Why make it personal? It shows a complete lack of class, IMHO.

Anyway, I have nothing against you, Stede, I would have made the same response to anybody making similar comments.

All the best,
Michael

EDIT: I will leave the above comments as they are, but I was mistaken. Stede was making a nice comment about a fellow Warrior's product, and not being sarcastic. Re-reading his post, it's quite clear that I was mistaken. My apologies.

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

Could someone explain this to me? I actual like the product and was recommending it. So was that against the rules?

- Stede

I think Michael thought you were being sarcastic.

Quite honestly, after telling me that I was cranky and unprofessional and
to go take a vacation, I wasn't sure if you were serious or being sarcastic
either.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

You are cranky, but you still make wonderful products, IMO. I think I wasn't suppose to mention that I liked your course in the forum. I will not do it again,

- Stede

First sentence =

Second and third sentence =

LOL

Try to take a step back and see it how I saw it. Consider the circumstances, and the topic of the thread.

Anyway, it's nothing personal, and I hope my prior post cleared things up.

All the best,
Michael

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

No problem Michael, I was just a little confused. :-)

Maybe, but not as confused as I was.

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Stede,

If you are reading about a system from an MMO product, it is already too late. The ship has sailed. Yesterday's systems are what Gurus market today.

Systems that work today wouldn't be sold until they start to lose there effectiveness.

I guess it's my turn to be called rude and unprofessional, eh?

You are talking out your hat. You have a prejudice going here, with absolutely nothing to back up your erroneous allegations. Nothing, that is, besides the desire to convince someone that you have a clue.

It's getting annoying, real fast.

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MichaelHiles

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

LOL! Look, another IM guru crawling out of the basement for a few minutes giving his free words of wisdom.

Let me tell you something, you "gurus" are getting annoying, real fast. LOL!

- Stede

Stede, the particular "guru" you're referring to is a moderator on this forum, and you participate here at his discretion.

If you're so angst ridden over the entire world of internet marketing, then why do you persist in trolling up one side and down the other of this forum anyway?

It would seem to me that you're spending an awful lot of time bitching and complaining instead of doing the things that other successful people do to grow their business and success.

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

LOL! Look, another IM guru crawling out of the basement for a few minutes giving his free words of wisdom.

Let me tell you something, you "gurus" are getting annoying, real fast. LOL!

- Stede

Um, you really need to be careful about who you speak to that way. That
guru has the power to turn your Warrior Forum membership to dust.

Boy, am I glad I'm not you right now.

Just sayin.

Geez...some people like to live dangerously.

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Steven,

Um, you really need to be careful about who you speak to that way. That
guru has the power to turn your Warrior Forum membership to dust.

Can you remember anyone getting banned for insulting me? Even once? That would have to be pretty seriously distracting stuff.

If he doesn't learn to show some manners to the other members, though, he might find himself with some extra free time.

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Steven,Can you remember anyone getting banned for insulting me? Even once? That would have to be pretty seriously distracting stuff.

Offhand, no...I can't. But still, a little respect would be nice, don't yuh think?

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Paul Myers 13 years ago

Steven,

Offhand, no...I can't. But still, a little respect would be nice, don't yuh think?

Treating someone differently because of what they might do to you is not respect.

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- Steven Wagenheim 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Paul Myers
  
  Steven,Treating someone differently because of what they might do to you is not respect.
  
  Paul
  
  Interesting way of looking at it. I never thought of it like that.
  
  Okay, I'll ask the loaded question. What is respect?
  
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  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  Interesting way of looking at it. I never thought of it like that.
  
  Okay, I'll ask the loaded question. What is respect?
  
  Before you answer that, let me give you my upbringing in a nutshell.
  
  I was taught that respect was not telling your father that he's acting like
  an ass even if he is or mouthing off to your mother even if she's being
  totally unreasonable about something.
  
  It's something you give to somebody who is older than you OR something
  you do to another person even if they're not respecting you...or, as some
  people call it, turning the other cheek.
  
  If somebody is wearing a suit that makes them look like an elephant, you
  don't tell them that they look like an elephant.
  
  Now maybe that's not respect as you see it, but it's what I was taught
  and we can only do what we're taught.
  
  I guess I'll be the first to admit that when it comes to social conventions,
  I am the last person to have a real clue. I basically get through life on
  the seat of my pants.
  
  Okay, now if you'd like to clue me in on what real respect means, I'm
  more than willing to listen.
  
  After all, I'm not too old to learn.
  
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  From what I can gather, Guru's are like music stars.
  
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  They normally come from nowhere
  
  They are overhyped
  
  Always have a major hit that everyone knows them from
  
  and the biggest one:
  
  There will always be a new, bigger one tomorrow and that's there problem.
  
  If they don't keep releasing good quality products, then people will forget who they are, they'll lose their reputation and become a nobody again.
  
  All these extra random products they release are just a method of keeping them known in the online world.
  
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  Steven,
  
  Okay, I'll ask the loaded question. What is respect?
  
  Acting from the recognition (or assumption) of someone's worth, either as a human being or for their skill or contribution in some specific area.
  
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jasonl70

13 years ago

It drives me crazy when I hear people say things along the lines of "they only sell you what used to work, not what currently works", etc. When I hear this, it screams out "I chase/hunt for the latest fad/shortcut".

There's a handfull of solid, proven business models that are well known. They work, and have worked for years.

For example, one I use a ton: list building, monetized via aff. promo's. In my case, my preferred tactic is to use a squeeze page. EVERYONE here as heard of this, it's not cutting edge in any way, and yet it makes me money every single day. Sometimes I get off my butt and make my own product to launch/market to my lists. again, nothing new.

Another one that I use, that is pretty well known: product review sites.

And then there are traffic tactics: ppc, articles, seo, social media etc..

There are a ton of products out there that explain these models and tactics, most have been around for a long time. THEY STILL WORK.

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

I think the biggest problem for me is the question: "if you are guru and make so much money online, why waste your time trying to sell online products."

This could be a flawed assumption, but does that concept make sense to you?

- Stede

No, it doesn't make much sense to me. Why would a successfull marketer want to market something? seriously? You really have to ask that?

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AndrewCavanagh 13 years ago

# 1: Always focus on ways to deliver real value to others.

# 2: Find ONE thing and get really good at it.

It could be copywriting, pay per click, SEO, article marketing, outsourcing...it doesn't really matter. Develop exceptional skill in one area and you'll find that the money tends to come naturally...even if you make it by selling your services to others.

# 3: Have an income goal and take intelligent action that will move you towards that goal.

If something can move you towards that goal then you do it. If something obviously isn't moving you toward that goal then try something else.

# 4: Understand that this is a business and your assets (like the contacts you make, the lists and sites you build, your reputation) will all build over time.

That means you have to put in some effort now for longer term benefit.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

LOL! Look, another IM guru crawling out of the basement for a few minutes giving his free words of wisdom.

Let me tell you something, you "gurus" are getting annoying, real fast. LOL!

- Stede

Stede, your comments sorta reminded me of this incident when this Officer pulled over Mr. Gracious. Just wait till you get to the end of this clip; Mr. Gracious is going to blow you away!

YouTube - funny police stop

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

You are cranky, but you still make wonderful products, IMO. I think I wasn't suppose to mention that I liked your course in the forum. I will not do it again,

- Stede

The only thing we frown upon here is mentioning your own products, even
if somebody comes here and says, "I'm looking for xyz". Even if you have it,
you can't say anything as that is seen as self promotional. Somebody else
would have to recommend it for you.

And I don't have a problem with that rule. If we didn't have it, every single
thread where somebody was asking about how to do a certain thing, we'd
have everybody and their grandmother screaming "Oooo, ooo ooo, I got
something for yuh!"

It would be a nut house.

And I'll try not to be so cranky in the future, but some stuff just ticks
me off.

Complaining about products that don't work is one of them.

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Michael Oksa 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

Could someone explain this to me? I actual like the product and was recommending it. So was that against the rules?

- Stede

No, then it was not against the rules, and I admit I was wrong.

The context in which I was reading your comment was that of the OP's premise of being "conned by the gurus". Then, in that context, I assumed your comments were sarcastic. Add to that, your other comments directed toward Steven, and I really thought you were being sarcastic.

That's the problem with text, you can't always "hear" the emotion behind the words.

So, if you are recommending the product, then that's cool. I made a mistake, and I apologize for it.

I guess I just illustrated my earlier point of being only human.

Therefore, if no sarcasm was intended, if it was a legitimate recommendation, and if you weren't trying to egg him on, then you weren't breaking any rules.

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ChrisAnthony24

After wasting 2 years+ trying to lose weight by following diet after diet, I realized that the common theme in all of the diet books was exercise in the morning for 30 minutes, and eat 6 healthy portion sized meals per day. It was tough, it was not what I wanted to do, but it was what worked.

The information was there all along, wasn't it? You said so yourself, you just didn't want to do it, but when you finally did it, it worked. You said so yourself.

In internet marketing, the information is there, too. It is also tough to carry out, just like losing weight, but if you follow the plan and stick with it, you can succeed in IM just as you are in losing weight.

There ain't no gimme's, you gotta earn it.

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Troy_Phillips

13 years ago

The Gurus are all bad

Article marketing is dead

Affiliate marketing is dead

Everyone Is well suited to marketing online .

Jeez

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

The Gurus are all bad

Article marketing is dead

Affiliate marketing is dead

Everyone Is well suited to marketing online .

Jeez

Makes yuh just wanna go crawl into a hole with a good book and escape
from civilization for about a millennium.

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Troy_Phillips

13 years ago

Wow Steven.. did you finally crawl out of your hole ( or was that me lol )

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Makes yuh just wanna go crawl into a hole with a good book and escape
from civilization for about a millennium.

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

Wow Steven.. did you finally crawl out of your hole ( or was that me lol )

Think it was you, Troy. Don't know where you've been hiding, but welcome back.

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Troy_Phillips

13 years ago

Hello Dennis,

Been building my own little empire lol.

Logged on to the WF a couple of times this week and was beginning to think only Paul and Steven were left from the ones I was used to seeing .

Glad to see you and the puppy are still great .

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Think it was you, Troy. Don't know where you've been hiding, but welcome back.

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charlesburke

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

Chris, in all honestly, the only things that are going to GUARANTEE your success in IM are the same things that guarantee your success in any business venture. Sheer determination and a mentality that failure IS NOT an option!
Giles, the Crew Chief

Spot on! A prominent characteristic of low achievers is that they make decisions slowly and change them quickly and often. High achievers, on the other hand, are the opposite. They make decisions quickly and change them slowly, if at all.

What low achievers never seem to grasp is that high achievers simply bear down and MAKE their decisions work, so they don't need changing. Of course, their methods and implementation may change drastically along the way, but the guiding goal does not.

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

The information was there all along, wasn't it? You said so yourself, you just didn't want to do it, but when you finally did it, it worked. You said so yourself.... There ain't no gimme's, you gotta earn it.

Yep, and standing squarely in the way is the old habit of wishful thinking. Or as another poster called it, addiction. Once we work our way past that, it always comes down to implementing the fundamentals, the few unglamorous, maybe even boring, basics.

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Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Makes yuh just wanna go crawl into a hole with a good book and escape
from civilization for about a millennium.

If you plan to escape for that long you better bring a Kindle instead of just a good book...

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ewenmack

13 years ago

Come to think of it, Burger King must be a scam because I eat there and I'm a fat slob.

Who wants to join me and sue them?

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InternetM39482

13 years ago

For one, I've never been conned. I've made a good amount of purchases and most of them gave me at least an idea or two that helped me grow my business.

I've seen that most people either won't take any action, or if they get excited at the start and take the initiative, they won't follow through. That, as I see, is the biggest reason why people fail.

Your situation, however, seems different. So, I wanted to ask: When you say you tried a mass control type of launch, CPA, etc... how much time did you give to these? And did you follow through to the end?

As Rob said, Mass Control works. And you asked for the 'daily habits'; well, pick up a system, follow it to the T, and as you go along, you'll gain experience and that will make you better.

Your problem, as it looks on the surface, is trying too many things and not sticking to something for a good amount of time. Get determined, get a positive outlook, get a plan and work on it like there's no tomorrow.

Best of luck!

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Everyday people prey on marketing lies, chasing after "get rich quick" and "get thin quick" schemes. It is human nature to look for a shortcut; a way to get results faster. What eventually happens after you run through all of the fads, is that you realize that success depends on a few daily simple habits, that if followed will yield success in 3-6 months or so. And if you would have followed these simple habits all along, you would have been successful already. This happened to me with the diet industry, and is now happening to me in the internet marketing industry, and I need your advice so I don't waste time. After wasting 2 years+ trying to lose weight by following diet after diet, I realized that the common theme in all of the diet books was exercise in the morning for 30 minutes, and eat 6 healthy portion sized meals per day. It was tough, it was not what I wanted to do, but it was what worked.
Now I find that I have wasted 2+ years in the internet marketing industry by following the fads and buying products with each guru's "Trick". I tried to do a mass control product launch like Frank Kern, I tried to make money in CPA like the Arbitrage Conspiracy guys, I tried Google Cash, Nitro Blueprint, and others, and ALL FAILED. My question is, what are the "exercise in the morning for 30 minutes, and eat 6 portion sized healthy meals per day" of internet marketing? What are the daily habits that we should do, to virtually guarantee success over the long haul?

Your thoughts are appreciated....

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Johnny

13 years ago

What about monthly pay subscription to "gurus" newsletter when:

From Guru 1) 1 whole section of it is from PLR that I also owned

From Guru 2) discover that the "news"letter is actually "old". They have been created them long time back, and assign to you when you start your subscription. So your issue 1 is actually 1 years ago information. Frankly to me, this is not "news". I can still accept it, if this is a course, but for newsletter, I expect new stuff that is current.

From Guru 3) Pay for 1 year subscription, received only 4 issues. Next receive an email mention "something" happen, service temporary stop. ... After 1 year, still no news with many support tickets logged. The strange thing is, I still see new launches of services from him

All 3 are so call "gurus" that earn tons of money (from all the sale pages and other gurus' recommendation), but ....

Sometimes I just feel that "these gurus" sound so great in the sale copy, when come to actual deliver, it is a total disappointment.

Many so called "gurus" are blacklisted by me. So do you have a blacklisted list as well?

Of course, they are still gems around them

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BrianMcLeod

13 years ago

I am forever fascinated by the way so many new to Internet Marketing get sucked into two tractor beams:

1) Selling how to make money online products having never done so
2) Joining the "Ant-Guru/Scam-Buster" Patrol

I have my own theories about why this occurs, but I'd love to hear other takes on the phenomenon.

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

I think the biggest problem for me is the question: "if you are guru and make so much money online, why waste your time trying to sell online products."

This could be a flawed assumption, but does that concept make sense to you?

- Stede

The answer is simple...because there is a market for it.

If John Doe has made $X doing Y thing and can show other people how he
did it, why shouldn't he?

Too many people think that if knowledge gets out, that will devalue that
knowledge and make the tactic worthless.

This is a scarcity mindset. It's totally bogus.

I've been doing things to make money online that have been done for
over 10 years and yet they still work to make me money.

Why? Why haven't these things died away?

Solid fundamentals will never die because they have been used forever.
One only needs to go back to the newspaper print ads of the 60s, long
before the Internet ever was, to see that nothing has really changed.

But people are under the impression that if John Doe teaches the whole
world how to do his precious little thing, that thing becomes worthless.

It doesn't, mostly because most people are too damn lazy to actually
put the work in.

I have an absolutely 100% clear conscience in regard to every product
I sell and every coaching service I offer. I know what I'm doing and can
teach others IF they want to learn.

And therein lies the rub...IF they want to learn and IF they actually put
the time in to make it work.

If they don't, they are wasting their time and mine.

My conscience is still clear because it's not my fault if they don't want to
do the work.

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MichaelHiles

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

I think the biggest problem for me is the question: "if you are guru and make so much money online, why waste your time trying to sell online products."

This could be a flawed assumption, but does that concept make sense to you?

- Stede

Why do you assert that it's a waste of time telling products that clearly have a market, and clearly create a profit for the seller?

Maybe that is a symptom of your real problem Stede.

Do you have some sort of limiting belief that you should only make money in only a certain way?

It sounds to me like you haven't separated yourself from your prospective customer, and are only interested in selling the things that would specifically interest you as a customer.

You are not your customer.

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MichaelHiles 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

Yep, maybe.

- Stede

"Yep, maybe" is incongruent.

It's either yes or no, and your initial response was yes.

You will not become successful in life until you remove that limiting belief.
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  Originally Posted by Stede Troisi
  
  From the previous posts, I am going to assume yes, it is a limiting belief.
  
  - Stede
  
  I already knew the answer from reading your many posts on Warrior Forum.
  
  You come from an older school of thought, where business has to operate a specific way.
  
  This is a limitation to your success.
  
  If you keep doing the same things you've always done, you will continue to get the same results that you've always gotten. The voice that you hear in your head right now is the voice that has gotten you to where you're at in life at this very moment. Keep listening to that voice, and you will continue on the path that you've been on.
  
  Stop listening to that voice.
  
  Do what is uncomfortable and unnatural to you. That is where growth lies.
  
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R Hagel 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

I think the biggest problem for me is the question: "if you are guru and make so much money online, why waste your time trying to sell online products."

Steven and Michael gave you good answers. I'm just going to throw other questions at you...

If Michael Jordan made heaps of money as a basketball player, why did he even bother starting up a baseball career?

Why did one of my college professors, who made a bucketload of cash in business when he was younger, decide to go into teaching?

Why does Honda make lawnmowers?

Why does/did Oprah Winfrey act in movies, publish a magazine and open a school in Africa?

If Warren Buffet makes so much money with his investing, why did he write a book about it?

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John Atkins

13 years ago

Ahh not another "it's the gurus fault" thread!

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Thank you!

Out of all the arguments that pretend to prove MMO products are scams, the "if they are really making money, why would they tell other people how to do it?" argument is about the stupidest one I have ever seen.

In fact, it makes my mind go totally haywire, and I never know how to respond. I figure if someone is asking such a question, then no amount of logical explanation will make a lickspittle of difference. They are already so biased, ignorant, cynical or misinformed that reason will have no effect.

Yet, these same people would have no problem going to a bookstore and buying a book on how to make money in real estate (for example).

When I see that question, I tend to just ignore it, so I'm glad a few of you answered.

All the best,
Michael

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Thank you!

Out of all the arguments that pretend to prove MMO products are scams, the "if they are really making money, why would they tell other people how to do it?" argument is about the stupidest one I have ever seen.

In fact, it makes my mind go totally haywire, and I never know how to respond. I figure if someone is asking such a question, then no amount of logical explanation will make a lickspittle of difference. They are already so biased, ignorant, cynical or misinformed that reason will have no effect.

Yet, these same people would have no problem going to a bookstore and buying a book on how to make money in real estate (for example).

When I see that question, I tend to just ignore it, so I'm glad a few of you answered.

All the best,
Michael

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stede Troisi

By calling a question stupid, you are biased and negative to begin with. You assume that anyone asking the question cannot, or doesn't want to learn. That itself is worst than the question you consider stupid.

Some people do learn, and love to hear the opinions of others. Don't assume everyone who asks a question you consider stupid to be unworthy of learning or genuine in their concerns.

- Stede

Put a sock in it.

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pavionjsl

13 years ago

Having multiple profit centers in Internet marketing is the only smart move. Things change, what made you money for the last 2 years becomes irrelevant tomorrow and you have to replace that income. Diversification is the key to long term success in any business.

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