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15 years ago

Alexa rankings are virtually useless because they are simply so hit-and-miss. I never pay attention to Alexa rankings. PR is much more important.

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KarlWarren 15 years ago

Alexa has always been easy to game, and the results have been unreliable for MANY years.

Stats are just stats, and only as useful as the reliability of the source.
PR, Alexa, Webalizer... all easy to game, all irrelevant in most circumstances.

There's only ONE stat that's important in marketing.
No prizes for guessing.
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- JasonParker 15 years ago
  
  I hear ya Allen.
  
  I stopped using Alexa when I found out it makes all its judgments based on who has the Alexa Toolbar. That really doesn't help all that much.
  
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- Lance K 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by KarlWarren
  
  There's only ONE stat that's important in marketing.
  No prizes for guessing.
  
  Does it have to do with the number of Clio Awards a person has won?
  
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ExRat

15 years ago

Hi Allen,

Surely there must be someone around with the guts and the cheek to bring up that thread about rants/blogs...

PS Perhaps a lot of people (in IM) have dropped their use of the firefox addon that had the google PR/Alexa toolbar thing in favour of the other addons that have PR as well as lots of other stuff (EG firefox for seo) but not alexa - so their visits here won't affect alexa ranking anymore.

I had that addon until about 12-18 months ago.

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Administrator 15 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Allen,

Surely there must be someone around with the guts and the cheek to bring up that thread about rants/blogs...

I thought I was special?

You're telling me I'm not?

Damn!

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ExRat 15 years ago

Hi Allen,

I thought I was special?

You're telling me I'm not?

Damn!

Of course you're special. They said that about me when I was young - 'Oh, don't worry about Roger - he's 'special'.'

PS - love the avatar.

Regards,

Mr. Fourshortplanks

(just in case that was way too cryptic or British -)
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/...o+short+planks
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mmurtha 15 years ago

Originally Posted by admin

I thought I was special?

You're telling me I'm not?

Damn!

ROTFLMBO!

Yeah, you're special alright.

Seriously though Allen, about that adjustment for the bottom section ...

I know you are getting a handle on it, but did you know there was a bit of a bug in that section for the stats? I was in the VB forum the other eve to ask a question, and I saw a post about it. I think someone said they are trying to fix that now.

But then again, I didn't look at the date for that post. It was for the 3.7 version though so it's fairly current.

Just thought you might want to know.

Mary
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JasonParker 15 years ago

Originally Posted by alexa_s

No indeed ... you're telling me I'm not! :p

Alexa... you're forbidden to you use the forum now because of your name.
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Administrator 15 years ago

Originally Posted by alexa_s

No indeed ... you're telling me I'm not! :p

I'm getting slow...I just caught that :-)

I'm sorry Alexa. Did that subject line speed up your heart any? :-)

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by admin

I'm getting slow...I just caught that :-)

I'm sorry Alexa. Did that subject line speed up your heart any? :-)

Your in trouble now Allen...:p

I already made that mistake with Alexa a few weeks ago ..lol

I can see the headlines now

"World Famous Marketing Genius Looses His Mind"
"Calls Member Alexa Trash"

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bobsstuff

15 years ago

SBI or SiteBuildIt tells all their member to get the Alexa tookbar. Then people in the SBI forum check out each other's sites and especially the SBI owner's sites.
Alexa ratings got through the roof.
Nice tactic to fool the uniformed.
I had a SBI site that ranked high in Alexa a long as I was active in their forum.

Is Alexa useful. Yes, if you know how to game the system.

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Originally Posted by bobsstuff

SBI or SiteBuildIt tells all their member to get the Alexa tookbar. Then people in the SBI forum check out each other's sites and especially the SBI owner's sites.
Alexa ratings got through the roof.
Nice tactic to fool the uniformed.
I had a SBI site that ranked high in Alexa a long as I was active in their forum.

Is Alexa useful. Yes, if you know how to game the system.

The owner of SiteBuildIt promotes doing that?

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bobsstuff

15 years ago

Originally Posted by admin

The owner of SiteBuildIt promotes doing that?

Subtly yes. SBI recommends getting the tool bar. It is viral from there.
If you tell hundreds of newbies to use a free tool, they will especially if you are their mentor.
If newbies in a forum check each others sites, AND they have a toolbar to track them, ratings will go up. The more you post in the forum, the higher your Alexa rating will go, JUST AS MINE DID when I had a SBI site.

If the owner's and owner's child's websites are mentioned frequently, people in the forums will look.

Can you spell TOP ALEXA RATINGS?

PROOF, SBI! - Proof Of Success they tell you how effective their SBI system is and prove it with high Alexa ratings.

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Originally Posted by bobsstuff

Subtly yes. SBI recommends getting the tool bar. It is viral from there.
If you tell hundreds of newbies to use a free tool, they will especially if you are their mentor.
If newbies in a forum check each others sites, AND they have a toolbar to track them, ratings will go up. The more you post in the forum, the higher your Alexa rating will go, JUST AS MINE DID when I had a SBI site.

If the owner's and owner's child's websites are mentioned frequently, people in the forums will look.

Can you spell TOP ALEXA RATINGS?

PROOF, SBI! - Proof Of Success they tell you how effective their SBI system is and prove it with high Alexa ratings.

You've got me stunned into silence... :-)

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bobsstuff 15 years ago

Originally Posted by admin

You've got me stunned into silence... :-)

LOL, the key in my post is that it is not opinion. You go to the SBI site and they are proud of their Alexa rating.

Allen, for only $300 a year or whatever the current going price is you can test the waters yourself ----- sign up under a pen name

You can ONLY promote your SBI site in you rsig in their forum but..........ANYWAY a new marketing tool for WF members. Join SBI and learn how to become a high rated site on Alexa........they don't teach that, but you know about the tactic....learned here in the WF.
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mmurtha

15 years ago

Allen,

I didn't think too many people went by Alexa much anymore anyway. Lol any fool can look at the bottom of the forum and gather what kind of traffic you get here. It's been growing since I registered that's a fact, but as you say it's grown by leaps and bounds for the past couple of months.

Thanks for that reference to. I didn't know about that one.

Mary

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Originally Posted by mmurtha

Allen,

I didn't think too many people went by Alexa much anymore anyway. Lol any fool can look at the bottom of the forum and gather what kind of traffic you get here. It's been growing since I registered that's a fact, but as you say it's grown by leaps and bounds for the past couple of months.

Thanks for that reference to. I didn't know about that one.

Mary

Hi Mary,

The number on the bottom of the forum is misleading actually. It still shows you logged in for a while after you leave. However, that's changing by the day, I keep having to adjust the time so it doesn't get too carried away. More and more each day 'are' actually on when it says they are on so I have to keep adjusting.

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John Taylor

15 years ago

Alexa ranking have always been flawed Allen because
they are based on the installation of a toolbar.

The vast majority of people do not have the Alexa
toolbar installed and therefore the Alexa traffic stats
are based on a very small sample size.

In my view it's a statistically invalid measurement.

John

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by John Taylor

Alexa ranking have always been flawed Allen because
they are based on the installation of a toolbar.

The vast majority of people do not have the Alexa
toolbar installed and therefore the Alexa traffic stats
are based on a very small sample size.

In my view it's a statistically invalid measurement.

John

And...It's a windoze toolbar, meaning those that use a Mac can't even install it. So, sites dedicated to Apple and Mac, which likely have a higher percentage of Mac user, have really under-reported stats.

I gave up on Alexa in about 1999, when I site I had that got about 100 people a day was rated as getting more traffic than another site I had, which was getting about 30,000 people a day. It wasn't even close.

IMO, Alexa is a trinket, for amusement purposes only.

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Mark McWilliams

15 years ago

My blog doesn't even show on Compete, so maybe I need to start driving more traffic!

I must admit, and I'll probably hang my head in shame, but every-so-often, I will go and see how I'm ranking on Alexa. I guess it's because it was the first site, of that type, that I'd come across! One thing I didn't know was that, with the toolbar, it gave you a better result!

Guess I'll have to wait and see!

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seasoned

15 years ago

Allen,

I'm not sure exactly how compete does it, but the precise thing they claim to do is really impossible!(It would require communication with EVERY site, or EVERY visitor, or interception of ALL DNS traffic(which is only good for domains)) I have been saying that for YEARS! The SAME is true of alexa! SO, is alexa dead? In a way, it IS. Then again, so is ac neilsen(which works the SAME way), and compete. BTW Alexa would LIKE to communicate with every visitor, but they are "dead" because they can only SAMPLE those which they DO get. BTW with a site like warrior forum, newer visitors are LESS likely to show up, ESPECIALLY now! That is because the marketers that installed alexa because they visited the site, were probably already warriorforum members.

Steve

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Originally Posted by seasoned

Allen,

I'm not sure exactly how compete does it, but the precise thing they claim to do is really impossible!(It would require communication with EVERY site, or EVERY visitor, or interception of ALL DNS traffic(which is only good for domains)) I have been saying that for YEARS! The SAME is true of alexa! SO, is alexa dead? In a way, it IS. Then again, so is ac neilsen(which works the SAME way), and compete. BTW Alexa would LIKE to communicate with every visitor, but they are "dead" because they can only SAMPLE those which they DO get. BTW with a site like warrior forum, newer visitors are LESS likely to show up, ESPECIALLY now! That is because the marketers that installed alexa because they visited the site, were probably already warriorforum members.

Steve

I have a sneaky feeling they are in with google. Because they are so close, google analytics & compete, that it just makes me wonder.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Said it for years .... Alexa is useless...

Now Allen post "Cold Hard Proof" Thanks Allen ...

James

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JustCarsOnline

15 years ago

I have two sites. One I have only just got ranked with Google, and gets about 10 visits a day. The business is not even trading yet.

The other established for nearly 3 years, is highly ranked on the first page of google for some massive keywords, and gets a hell of a lot of traffic. Alexa somehow ranks the one I only just put up higher than the other.

[[Clearly people with the tool bar don't like my other site!]]

NB: Even compete seems to be a bit off too for my sites. And another a friend of mine owns.

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SuzanneH

15 years ago

Sorry to (maybe) burst your Compete/Google theory, Allen, but Compete is off by a factor of almost 3 compared to Google Analytics for my site (Compete reports almost 3 times less traffic). :-)

Suzanne

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Steve Iser

15 years ago

It's based on a damn toolbar - who the hell uses their stupid toolbar?

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Originally Posted by Steve Iser

It's based on a damn toolbar - who the hell uses their stupid toolbar?

Well it's looking like nobody...
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write-stuff

15 years ago

I've seen the stats on two sites in particular. One averaged 10,000 uniques per day and the other averaged about 800 per day. Alexa ranked them both essentially equal in traffic volume. Yes, all the above posters are correct - Alexa's numbers are crap, based on users who have the toolbar installed.

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zerofill

15 years ago

LOL I have said Alexa was trash for a very very long time...it is totally useless...

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John M Kane

15 years ago

Shhhhh She might hear you

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LegitIncomes

15 years ago

I agree 100%.

When I first started out several years ago, I was hooked on watching the Alexa ranking of my site rise...how silly.

I still see so many people asking about the "Alexa Ranking" for sites that are for sale. Every single time I see that, I just laugh.

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If you are going around making statements about sites based on what Alexa says I can guarantee you that you are wrong. Way wrong...

You would be much closer to the truth if you visit sites like this one:

Compete

The Warrior Forum has done nothing but increase in traffic for years now, there has never been a month when we've went down in traffic. Further, the last 7 months has seen an outright explosion in traffic.

But Alexa has us DOWN BY 64%...

LOL...

64%? Even a raw newbie knows that is totally ignorant.

Check attached images for a picture much closer to the truth. Compete is far closer to the actual truth than Alexa could even dream of.

We've seen "The Death Of" all kinds of things. When is someone going to come out with the Death of Alexa? :-)

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Terry Crim

15 years ago

I was told awhile back that Alexa no longer basis it's stats on the toolbar, apparently they redid how they calculate the stats and isn't based on the toolbar or at least exclusively.

I don't know, I never paid attention to Alexa or it's stats, never thought it was accurate anyway. Though if what I was told is true the toolbar is no longer a factor in it's stats calculations. Though I don't know, I never bothered to go read their site to see how it works now.

- Terry

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Charles E. White 15 years ago

Alexa has never bothered me with their ratings. I had a site that was ranked number one on Google, number one on Yahoo and MSN for my main keyword and I had more traffic than I ever had. According to Alexa, they made it sound I had no visitors at all and my site was almost non-existent.

Besides, someone I admire and have high respect for, told me a long time ago, they don't go by rankings and etc, they just do something daily to get more traffic and promote their product and it all adds up over time.
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