How to get a JV with no list

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I understand what a JV is and how they are very desirable.

But how do you go about getting a JV without a list of your own. I mean it is pretty easy to ask someone "email your list of 2000 about this offer of mine and I'll email my list of 2500 about this offer of yours."

What do you do when you have no list. Asking can you email your list about my offer, please. Right now I have no list, but I will email your offer to my list in 6 months when I have a bigger list. This just doesn't seem like it would get any takers.

Is it possible to get a JV when you don't have a list? How do you do it?

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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    I recently made a post related to this topic and just because I am too darn lazy i'll copy the same post here:

    Here's the deal.

    If you want to do a JV partnership with someone, try building a relationship with them first and be friends with them. Think about it, who is more likely to read your offer and accept it: Your friend or A random person that doesn't even know who you are.

    EDIT: Let me also add some tips on how you can be friends with some random person on the internet.

    Do they have a blog? Comment on it.
    Do they have a forum? Participate on it.
    Do they have a twitter? Be friends with them.
    Do they participate on some forum? Go to that forum and reply to their threads.

    In simple words, just find them and let them know you exist. And remember, DON'T even talk about anything "business" when you are approaching them. Just be friends and when you are on good talking terms then you can ask them about a promotion anytime.

    Hope it helped
    EDIT: Now here is something that I have never tried but it can work:

    You can offer them services in exchange for an email promotion.

    And if you are stuck for what kind of services you can offer you can do anyone of these:

    Article Writing
    Graphic Design
    Script Installation
    Wordpress theme design
    SEO
    Forum Posting
    SEO analysis
    Keyword Research
    Backlinking

    etc.

    Hope this helped
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    • Profile picture of the author mlord10
      Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

      I recently made a post related to this topic and just because I am too darn lazy i'll copy the same post here:



      EDIT: Now here is something that I have never tried but it can work:

      You can offer them services in exchange for an email promotion.

      And if you are stuck for what kind of services you can offer you can do anyone of these:

      Article Writing
      Graphic Design
      Script Installation
      Wordpress theme design
      SEO
      Forum Posting
      SEO analysis
      Keyword Research
      Backlinking

      etc.

      Hope this helped
      I have tried this, and it does work in certain situations. Since article marketing was my "thing," that is what I offered in return for a few mailings. I would think that high quality graphic design, as well as SEO could be great bargaining chips for you.

      The best thing that you can do however is to start building your list from scratch, and be patient. It won't come overnight, but if you dedicate yourself to list building for a few months, then you can have a sizable list in less time than you think.
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  • Originally Posted by jbpatlanta View Post

    Is it possible to get a JV when you don't have a list? How do you do it?
    Realistically speaking, no it's not possible. A JV is a partnership where both ends benefit. If you cannot reciprocate to your JVs... why would they promote you in the first place?

    And no, the commission for your product is not enough. Even if you offer a 100% commission on your product, you will be turned down MANY times if you cannot reciprocate the promotion.

    So, what are you to do? forget about JVs for the time being and focus on building a mailing list first.
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      Realistically speaking, no it's not possible. A JV is a partnership where both ends benefit. If you cannot reciprocate to your JVs... why would they promote you in the first place?

      And no, the commission for your product is not enough. Even if you offer a 100% commission on your product, you will be turned down MANY times if you cannot reciprocate the promotion.

      So, what are you to do? forget about JVs for the time being and focus on building a mailing list first.

      Well, actually that's not true.

      When you have something of compelling value, unique, that converts well, that is a rifle-scope targeted match for someone's list, it doesn't require reciprocal lists, 100% commissions, begging, pleading, or any of the other stuff that I see people saying around the WF.

      Maybe in the IM space, where everyone is selling some kind of rehash of the same stuff to the same people without much of a polish or spin... but if you step out just a gnat's butt hair you might find that things are different.

      Right now I have people coming to ME wanting to promote the launch of B2B Marketing Academy.
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      • Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

        Well, actually that's not true.

        When you have something of compelling value, unique, that converts well, that is a rifle-scope targeted match for someone's list, it doesn't require reciprocal lists, 100% commissions, begging, pleading, or any of the other stuff that I see people saying around the WF.

        Maybe in the IM space, where everyone is selling some kind of rehash of the same stuff to the same people without much of a polish or spin... but if you step out just a gnat's butt hair you might find that things are different.

        Right now I have people coming to ME wanting to promote the launch of B2B Marketing Academy.
        That's all good and dandy. But when you're starting out like the OP, you're hardly going to get any big gun promoting your stuff if you don't reciprocate back. There are plenty of products to promote out there, and you need to give something back to them to pick yours.
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        • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
          Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

          That's all good and dandy. But when you're starting out like the OP, you're hardly going to get any big gun promoting your stuff if you don't reciprocate back. There are plenty of products to promote out there, and you need to give something back to them to pick yours.

          Yeah, I suppose - if you view the whole "giving back" thing as part of relationship building - because that's really the key.

          Building a relationship with someone, even if it's a lightweight one, can overcome a lot of things.
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      • Profile picture of the author chrome
        Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

        Well, actually that's not true.

        When you have something of compelling value, unique, that converts well, that is a rifle-scope targeted match for someone's list, it doesn't require reciprocal lists, 100% commissions, begging, pleading, or any of the other stuff that I see people saying around the WF.

        Maybe in the IM space, where everyone is selling some kind of rehash of the same stuff to the same people without much of a polish or spin... but if you step out just a gnat's butt hair you might find that things are different.

        Right now I have people coming to ME wanting to promote the launch of B2B Marketing Academy.
        I agree with you Michael. I've recently had success getting some pretty big JV's to partner with me on my first product launch and I currently don't have a list of my own.

        It seems the reason I've been able to do this is because my product was a good fit for their list and the product was proven to have high conversions.
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        • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
          One more thing to think about.

          i was in your position at one time as well.

          I do a lot of stuff, and once people got to know me they would ask for help
          with various things, things i have experience with.
          Nothing to major, but if i had time and i was asked i would help out.

          turns out few of these guys i was helping had some appreciation for the help and they connected me with some big hitters, who in turn liked me
          and my product....

          keep in mind. i never asked for anything in return for the help.
          they just offered to make the connection.

          I also, made another connection by giving away some thing for free.

          Guy liked my work and contacted me about some thing completely different
          and that turned into a match made in heaven

          just something to think about.
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      • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
        Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

        Well, actually that's not true.

        When you have something of compelling value, unique, that converts well, that is a rifle-scope targeted match for someone's list, it doesn't require reciprocal lists, 100% commissions, begging, pleading, or any of the other stuff that I see people saying around the WF.
        You took the words out of my mouth - well, some of them anyway

        The reason that people get so hung up about the usual approach mentioned by so many - you scratch my back (mail you list) and I'll scratch yours (mail my list) - is that they have been conditioned to see JVs that way. They are therefore unable to see that there are many other ways of offering value to a possible JV partner.

        For example, my prospect list has been recently pruned down to just over 10k - I wanted to get rid of people who did not open mails - and I would be very happy to do JVs with people who have no list at all. But and it is a big BUT, such people would have to have a clear value proposition.

        Firstly, and most importantly, they would have to have a quality product that matches my niche and targets a problem for which I have no currently available solution.

        Second, they would have to have a proper sales funnel in place that has been tweaked and is proven to convert.

        Third, they would need to know their stats for targeted traffic. If their product is new, they should prepare a business case that convinces me, in the absence of stats, why their product would sell.

        Fourth, their product would need to fit with my personal ethics and their sales page would need to match my peculiar preferences: no gimmicks, no fake scarcity, no nonsense - just a great product offered in a professional way, at a great price.

        Fifth, they would get extra points for having a continuity program in place. In fact, that is my current problem i.e. no quality, continuity program in the personal development niche. There's an opportunity for someone right there.

        Is the above too much to ask?

        When you are a newbie, it may sound difficult. But you could use it as a template. Sure you may not have all of these things right now, but you can create them over the course of time.

        When you understand exactly who you are targeting, what their problems are (I've told you mine) and you create a valuable product that solves them, not only will you have no problems with buyers, you will also have no problems getting JVs - regardless of the fact that you have no list.

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  • Profile picture of the author tecHead
    Originally Posted by jbpatlanta View Post

    I understand what a JV is and how they are very desirable.

    But how do you go about getting a JV without a list of your own. I mean it is pretty easy to ask someone "email your list of 2000 about this offer of mine and I'll email my list of 2500 about this offer of yours."

    What do you do when you have no list. Asking can you email your list about my offer, please. Right now I have no list, but I will email your offer to my list in 6 months when I have a bigger list. This just doesn't seem like it would get any takers.

    Is it possible to get a JV when you don't have a list? How do you do it?

    JBP
    I guess I would have to contend that it depends on the size and caliber of the list you're targeting, (IMHO); which is pretty easy to sniff out, if you do your research and pay close attention.

    Those with lists under 20K, I say go with Mohammad's approach. Maybe; (and I put strong emphasis on 'maybe'); this level list owner will be more inclined to help out a friend. Yet, for those with bigger lists; you're gonna have to impress them.

    Look at it this way; in the corporate world, (the physical world), you're taught about "the 30 second elevator speech".

    You get on the elevator and start going up; the elevator stops a couple floors below where you're getting off. The doors open and who walks in but no other than the CEO of the company you've been dreaming about working for since you had coherent thought. You now have 30 seconds to not only break the ice with this person, but also convince them that you're not crazy OR desperate AND that they should even listen to you. Go!

    Now, its been proven that a good 95%+ people totally freeze in that situation. They stand meekly behind the CEO sweating and beating themselves up inside their heads; "SAY Something, dammit!". Yet, their mouths don't seem to work and IF they muster up enough courage to speak something utterly irrelevant (or stupid) leaks through their lips.

    High pressure situation, right?

    Now, bring that online and the percentages drop considerably, because your 30 second window can span over 30 days. Yet, the principle is still the same. You need to convince this person that they should spend their time listening to you; time is money.

    Therefore, everything you say... everything you do... every post you comment on.. every post you initiate... needs to be thought of in a way that, "how can I impress so-and-so, with this?"; (without being blatant).

    Sometimes, (if you're really committed.. and let's face it.. good), they'll contact you. But don't rely on that. Wait for your opportunity where they respond to something you've done or said; and THAT is you're open window. That is when your real 30 seconds begins. Don't screw it up!

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    • Profile picture of the author bifulcor
      Originally Posted by tecHead View Post

      I guess I would have to contend that it depends on the size and caliber of the list you're targeting, (IMHO); which is pretty easy to sniff out, if you do your research and pay close attention.

      Those with lists under 20K, I say go with Mohammad's approach. Maybe; (and I put strong emphasis on 'maybe'); this level list owner will be more inclined to help out a friend. Yet, for those with bigger lists; you're gonna have to impress them.

      Look at it this way; in the corporate world, (the physical world), you're taught about "the 30 second elevator speech".

      You get on the elevator and start going up; the elevator stops a couple floors below where you're getting off. The doors open and who walks in but no other than the CEO of the company you've been dreaming about working for since you had coherent thought. You now have 30 seconds to not only break the ice with this person, but also convince them that you're not crazy OR desperate AND that they should even listen to you. Go!

      Now, its been proven that a good 95%+ people totally freeze in that situation. They stand meekly behind the CEO sweating and beating themselves up inside their heads; "SAY Something, dammit!". Yet, their mouths don't seem to work and IF they muster up enough courage to speak something utterly irrelevant (or stupid) leaks through their lips.

      High pressure situation, right?

      Now, bring that online and the percentages drop considerably, because your 30 second window can span over 30 days. Yet, the principle is still the same. You need to convince this person that they should spend their time listening to you; time is money.

      Therefore, everything you say... everything you do... every post you comment on.. every post you initiate... needs to be thought of in a way that, "how can I impress so-and-so, with this?"; (without being blatant).

      Sometimes, (if you're really committed.. and let's face it.. good), they'll contact you. But don't rely on that. Wait for your opportunity where they respond to something you've done or said; and THAT is you're open window. That is when your real 30 seconds begins. Don't screw it up!

      HTH
      PLP
      Very good advice but I guess for some it is tougher than others on that elevator...
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  • Profile picture of the author GaryJBloomer
    Dear jbpatlanta,

    I asked Yanik Silver pretty much the question when I first started out a year ago.
    His advice was to offer 100% if you have to. Let me explain.

    JVs rely on relationships built up over time and based on trust and respect, not on outright list reciprocity.

    So if you offer someone points of great value BEFORE you approach them about a JV, you're more likely to have a positive impact on their thinking and therefore, have them think more of you than if you approach them out of the blue to use their list.

    When starting out, the whole notion of a JV is to jump start YOUR list, and if that means offering the person with a list of 5,000 people 75% (or even up to 100% of your initial sales, or of all sales within the first 30 days), you gain that person's attention AND respect because by offering them the higher cut, it shows you're serious about the long haul, not the quick buck.

    Or, you buy a list. But not just ANY old list, mind. It must be a tightly focused, niche orientated list. The people on this list must be already aligned with the outcome you're offering in the guise of your product and its benefits. A general list of any old schmoes will not do this and because of this, your efforts to market to them will be largely in vain.

    I hope this helps. Good luck to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author CianMcCarthy
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    Yep, offer some service like SEO work, article writing, graphic design (which you can easily outsource)
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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBeard
    Whilst I am sure my methods are not possible for everyone, ultimately it comes down to offering value, trust & relationship building.

    I can't claim expertise in building JV relationships, but I have quite a long list of top tier marketers who have offered to help me simply because of the help I have provided them over the years.

    That doesn't mean that any or all of them will promote any offer I place before them, even if that is what is suggested on paper... I have hand written personal open offers of help.

    Whatever you offer still has to fit their audience, offer value, and sure, they would love to be paid.

    In some ways being in that position is a ball & chain - you want to meet their expectations right out of the gate and that can take a lot longer than initially hoped.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Lee
      If you don't have a list, you can still get JVs if you provide undeniable PROOF that your offer converts highly. Many list owners are also looking for affiliate products to promote, so if you can make them aware the conversion rate and how other affiliates have made that much money (get permission first), then you stand a chance.

      Otherwise, you can still get a JV by offering to pay them to send your promo. You may have to invest, but at least you get 100% of the earnings (which might even be better considering your offer provides excellent value).
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      • Profile picture of the author jbpatlanta
        So basically, there are three possible options.

        1. Slowly build a list and after a couple months look for some JVs

        2. Buy a mailing or list. (This brings up the question of where can you find this and how much does it cost?)

        3. Bribe a list owner with free work.

        Thanks for that. I think option 1 is probably the best way.
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    Two words - Solo Ads

    I recently purchased one and got 100's of subscribers to my list :-)

    It ain't a cheap thing to do - but if you are in a hurry and you have other stuff to do - it's kinda handy!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Welsh Warrior
      Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

      Two words - Solo Ads

      I recently purchased one and got 100's of subscribers to my list :-)

      It ain't a cheap thing to do - but if you are in a hurry and you have other stuff to do - it's kinda handy!!
      This is something I have been interested in - but as solo ads can be expensive I have held back from doing so until I can find anything that has specific reviews (ideally with sign ups rates etc), though I suspect I am just going to have to take the plunge

      Do you mind if I ask where you looked at for solo ads. Any useful references?
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  • Profile picture of the author netguru
    I've had quite a few JV requests from people with lists of 200-300

    So once you get to that figure there are potential swaps out there.

    Pulling in a list of 200-300 should be relatively easy. Just knock up a good quality lead capture page and then use free traffic sources targetted to your niche.
    It might be a bit of donkey work but you should be able to pull in that many subs in a couple of weeks.
    By free traffic sources I mean blog posting, article marketing, facebook, yahoo answers, forum marketing etc
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  • Profile picture of the author nickchou
    If you can show the potential JV partners that your product is a great one, they might be willing to do JV with you by cobrandinbg the product with their name. That's what happened to one of my products.

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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
    Originally Posted by jbpatlanta View Post

    I understand what a JV is and how they are very desirable.

    But how do you go about getting a JV without a list of your own. I mean it is pretty easy to ask someone "email your list of 2000 about this offer of mine and I'll email my list of 2500 about this offer of yours."

    What do you do when you have no list. Asking can you email your list about my offer, please. Right now I have no list, but I will email your offer to my list in 6 months when I have a bigger list. This just doesn't seem like it would get any takers.

    Is it possible to get a JV when you don't have a list? How do you do it?

    JBP
    What is it you're launching? If it's a make money online offer then a lot of that does revolve around the incestuous nature of repicrocal mailings and so forth. If it's out of the IM world then you'll find that most people are simply looking for offers that have good conversions and low refunds. If you can prove that your offer converts on cold traffic or email traffic then you're onto a winner.

    You're much better off getting some big ppc advertisers on board anyway. That's where the long term money is in this game since it's completely scalable.

    You maybe need to distinguish whether you're after JV partners or affiliates as they're two different sets of people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert H Cwik
    There is one technique that may work, but requires some preparation. And I have never tried this. Still it looks interesting. There are PLR video courses of all kinds. You could purchase one dealing with any aspect of Internet Marketing, and a good one at the same time. The next thing to do is transcribing the narration into a PDF. Then you set up a regular sales page with the place for PayPal button at the price tag of $7.
    Upload everything to your server (including videos and audios).
    Contact the JV partner you wish to cooperate with and offer them the VIDEOS to sell to their list for $7 and keeping 100% profit for the next 3 days for example, whereas you host everything, except for the sales page that you are sending to him to put the paypal button in. What do you ask in return?

    A right for the opt-in form on the download page!

    There you offer the PDFs to the videos. So just under the header of the download page you have your own optin reading: "Hey, do you want PDF transcripts to those videos? Just put your name and e-mail in the form below so I know where to send them!"

    You are killing a few birds with one stone here. You build your list, first of all out of no list. But there is something more important to it. This is the list of BUYERS only, since they already bought the videos from your partner. Another important thing - you offer something they want to have, and the e-mail address you'll get WILL be their best, the one they check. They may even give you a better e-mail address than they gave to your JV partner originally.

    And you are both happy since your JV partner WILL make several $7 sales just for a small favor.

    Not a simple technique, but can work wonders. I think.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
      I would recommend you focus on building your list first...

      Unless there is very little competition in your niche where potential affiliates are starving for a converting offer to promote, you stand little to no chance to get "in" with JV partners without a list.

      Your options:

      -Build a list starting today <- recommended
      -Find people who already have lists and become friends with them... hard to do without a list because you will come off as desperate and wanting something. Nobody wants to be friends with that.
      -Spam your ass off with jv recruitment requests and maybe get a bite here and there... most likely it'll be a waste of time though.

      The truth is, unless you have something of value to give in return, most likely you won't have much luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    Join a JV site like JVnotify.com or listcrew.com and use their resources to get joint ventures.

    List Crew has a free offer on the forum here:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...list-free.html

    I'm not saying you want to use these methods but at least they are some other options.
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  • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
    Originally Posted by jbpatlanta View Post

    I understand what a JV is and how they are very desirable.

    But how do you go about getting a JV without a list of your own. I mean it is pretty easy to ask someone "email your list of 2000 about this offer of mine and I'll email my list of 2500 about this offer of yours."

    What do you do when you have no list. Asking can you email your list about my offer, please. Right now I have no list, but I will email your offer to my list in 6 months when I have a bigger list. This just doesn't seem like it would get any takers.

    Is it possible to get a JV when you don't have a list? How do you do it?

    JBP
    Couple ways

    1. Offer them 150% commission. Consider the 50% out of your pocket as a cost of acquiring customers. Develop a backend. Profit.

    2. Offer 100%. Hope that they help you out.

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    • Profile picture of the author JieLim
      If you set up your system so that it will have a decent level of conversion, you can use Ads to really kick start your list. Yes you do have to pay for the ads, but if you are converting, you should be making some sales to offset this cost. With search Ads (like Google AdWords), you can go from zero to a couple hundred people in your list within a week very easily.

      I'm in the process of creating some free videos to show people how to do that with Google AdWords, and can send the videos to you guys once it's ready. =)

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  • Profile picture of the author paulie123
    The way this conversation is going is ridiculous. The gurus want 100%, 150%...how about my first born. How about my soul? Is that enough? Do they think they are Internet marketing gods looking down from the heavens seeing which prayers they will answer. I thought the point of the Warrior Forum was to support the little guy and collectively help each other. Obviously from what I am hearing about the Internet gods, they only care to help themselves. 100%! So, if I were to originate a product, all my efforts would be to profit them. I know there are some gurus on this forum...and hopefully, not all are like that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Welsh Warrior
      Originally Posted by paulie123 View Post

      The way this conversation is going is ridiculous. The gurus want 100%, 150%...how about my first born. How about my soul? Is that enough? Do they think they are Internet marketing gods looking down from the heavens seeing which prayers they will answer. I thought the point of the Warrior Forum was to support the little guy and collectively help each other.
      Really? I thought it was to discuss marketing techniques and help each other with advice and our experiences. Instead it's about helping the little guy by giving them a fish?

      Thought it was about teaching them to fish?

      Obviously from what I am hearing about the Internet gods, they only care to help themselves. 100%! So, if I were to originate a product, all my efforts would be to profit them. I know there are some gurus on this forum...and hopefully, not all are like that.
      As opposed to a sense of entitlement where they should help people out, who are, judging from that attitude, only in it to help themselves - off of other peoples efforts?

      I'll take any handouts given, but to be fair advice on proven formulas, ideas on how to expand etc are more likely and fair (and for those willing to put the leg work in, usually more profitable). How many people begging for help should a guru help out? All of them? Wonder how many emails a day we would all be getting at that point, with God awful products pitching any ol' system that doesn't work.

      Pitch something and you should know it works. If you know it works you are presumably making money off it - enough to pay for solo ads in places, develop leads etc. If the product doesn't work why are you pitching it?

      If it is software rather than a system etc then you need to get people excited about it. Spamming a gurus list isn't the way to do that, it's to develop proper leads, to get people talking and hyping it, and to turn buyers into Evangelists on the subject.

      Either way I don't see how the forum exists to make gurus give you free access to their hard earned lists
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie123
        You are completely missing my point. A person works hard to make an Internet marketing product. Than you joint venture to market, which by the way implies a win-win situation...and the Internet gurus want 100% of your commission! Where is the win-win. Where do you get the idea of me advocating a handout! Even the US government does not take 100% of your earnings! But the gurus do. And frankly, I have not heard of anyone that the gurus have ever helped by recommending someone else's product. They help push each others products and charge huge amounts to attend their seminars. My point is-100%?! What happened to the 50-50 days were both win. THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!
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        • Profile picture of the author Robert H Cwik
          Originally Posted by sexy sue View Post

          Now this is the best solution; tell the Jv that you will split the earning thats come from their
          list maybe 40:60, 50:50. They can receive their share through an affiliate link. good luck.
          Originally Posted by paulie123 View Post

          You are completely missing my point. A person works hard to make an Internet marketing product. Than you joint venture to market, which by the way implies a win-win situation...and the Internet gurus want 100% of your commission! Where is the win-win. Where do you get the idea of me advocating a handout! Even the US government does not take 100% of your earnings! But the gurus do. And frankly, I have not heard of anyone that the gurus have ever helped by recommending someone else's product. They help push each others products and charge huge amounts to attend their seminars. My point is-100%?! What happened to the 50-50 days were both win. THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!
          You give 100% commission for the "basic" version of your product (see my post above), and offer the "extra" for free on the download page. Whoever signs for your "extra" will give you the best e-mail address they have to get the "extra" and is a confirmed buyer at the same time, because otherwise they wouldn't land on your list. These are people you can send other offers to and earn much more in time than you have let the JV partner to earn.

          One important thing is: specify the time your JV partner has to sell your product (over the weekend, for three days, whatever, but make it clear to them).
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        • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
          Originally Posted by paulie123 View Post

          You are completely missing my point. A person works hard to make an Internet marketing product. Than you joint venture to market, which by the way implies a win-win situation...and the Internet gurus want 100% of your commission! Where is the win-win. Where do you get the idea of me advocating a handout! Even the US government does not take 100% of your earnings! But the gurus do. And frankly, I have not heard of anyone that the gurus have ever helped by recommending someone else's product. They help push each others products and charge huge amounts to attend their seminars. My point is-100%?! What happened to the 50-50 days were both win. THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!
          I am yet to see an IM guru to explicitly demand 100% commissions.

          As with other things on this thread, that is just one way of doing it. It may work, it may not work.

          For example, if your product is priced at $7, 100% commission doesn't do anything for a big ticket guru.

          It's a 'friends help friends' world. First you build a relationship and get into the inner circle, and then you help each other out. It's not much of a JV as much as it is returning the favor.

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  • Profile picture of the author Searchlabmedia
    It is hard to do, but definitely doable.....but if you create a product, that is really good, but dont have a list, its hard to be trusted and may not get a lot of sales. But, if you contact some popular product creators and ask if they can add your product as a bonus with an opt in page, that might get you a ton of people.

    I added a product to a JV's download page as a bonus and added over 850 subscribers to my list.

    Fight On,

    Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author curly sue
    Now this is the best solution; tell the Jv that you will split the earning thats come from their
    list maybe 40:60, 50:50. They can receive their share through an affiliate link. good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author zamzung
    In my opinion, there are two options actually, and I find them to work the best...

    First, invest some time and money in building your own list... buy solo ads, drive targeted traffic to your squeeze page, write articles, blogs, videos, etc... as a matter of fact, a few good solo ads could build up your list quickly... then you can approach JV partners and offer ad swaps...

    Second, create an affiliate program for your product and offer them a high commission... give them a chance to review your product before dealing with you... if they like the product, and they like your affiliate offer, they will promote it... this way you will kill two flies with one hit... get your product promoted so you are building up your list and selling your product...
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    • Profile picture of the author Melvin San Miguel
      Originally Posted by zamzung View Post

      In my opinion, there are two options actually, and I find them to work the best...

      First, invest some time and money in building your own list... buy solo ads, drive targeted traffic to your squeeze page, write articles, blogs, videos, etc... as a matter of fact, a few good solo ads could build up your list quickly... then you can approach JV partners and offer ad swaps...

      Second, create an affiliate program for your product and offer them a high commission... give them a chance to review your product before dealing with you... if they like the product, and they like your affiliate offer, they will promote it... this way you will kill two flies with one hit... get your product promoted so you are building up your list and selling your product...
      I agree with Zamzung, For quick results you are gonna have to invest some $$$. I too would recommend solo ads first as I have had pretty good results from them and once you have a list of your own.. then its time to JV.
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  • Profile picture of the author vivi62
    Hi
    perhaps you could offer them something in return E.g a moneymaking idea and ask them to come on board or a new way of looking at a problem and solving it or offer them a service you can do e,g copywriting or creation of audio products.Offer them something of value or an idea.
    Regards
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  • Profile picture of the author GeoMasters
    Yep having a mailing list is a must for a JV. Unless you have a killer product that is just unlike anything else out there and you offer a big incentive. But yea, build your list with lots of traffic and buy solo ads.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeVill
    The problem is that everyone is aiming directly for the gurus.

    Start by JV'ing with smaller-list owners. Create an entry-level product for them to promote in which they get a good commission (50%-100%) in exchange for you getting access to their list (who you then offer an inexpensive/free bonus to for opting in to your list). If you JV with 5 guys who have 500-person lists (for example), you could possibly gain yourself a 2,500-person list from them. Now you work your way up the list-size hierarchy repeating that process, but preferably with your higher-quality products. Save your really great products for when you get higher up in the ranks, and use your profit and new partners to create even more awesome products as you move up. Eventually you'll be on the same level (list-size wise) as the bigger players and can request to cross-promote with them for more list-building opportunity, without seeming like you're a small fish begging for a handout. When you finally accumulate a huge list, unleash the beast (your best product) on them.
    4 levels of products+bonuses could possibly get you to guru status in a short amount of time. And as I've read elsewhere, you probably shouldn't start selling anything in the first place until you have at least 3 products (at various levels) lined up and ready to go, just like you shouldn't start a TV series until you have 4 episodes already shot & edited. You don't want your momentum to come to a screeching halt just because you ran out of products to sell. By the way, throw some continuity/membership stuff in there somewhere.

    And there ya go.
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  • Profile picture of the author BlackRob
    I will always say when you are beginning, and your list is small, is either do not focus too much on the big affiliates with huge lists, as they are always very busy promoting theirs and other people's programs. Instead concentrate on building your own list, and when you have about 20,000 subs, then contact the people you wish to do business with for adswaps first.

    However, if you do wish to go down that road, first think of what you can do for a big affiliate, in other words, do something for them that will benefit their business, whether it be write and article, SEO work, link building, etc.

    This way they may be more inclined to promote your product when you launch.

    Take Care.

    Rob.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dominis Marketing
    If your worry is about not having a list then why don't you build a list fast.
    Then you'll not have any problems. Though you'll have to spend money to
    do it overnight.

    Here are some strategies.

    1. Have a valuable product created fast.

    -the fastest way to create a product, even overnight is to write about
    what you know. You're asking about JVs so it only goes to say that you
    know something about internet marketing.

    So create a mindmap of what you know and write about your story,
    what you know well and convert that into a
    pdf or if you are more comfortable with video then record one while discussing
    the mindmap you created.

    2. Create an opt-in page and a download page, add you product. Protect the
    download page (obscure the name and add no index on meta tag)

    3. Go to safe-swaps and purchase solo mailings. People offer solo-mailings for as low as $20 per 100 clicks. If you add a backend offer after they sign-up you can recover the cost and make a little more extra.

    4. Launch a low cost WSO offer. This one is the fastest. If you have a great product, you can use that as a loss leader and get a lot of sign-ups.

    There you go..
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  • Profile picture of the author eeesirbelly
    Use FB Advertisement, Adsense, Blogs, Twitter, Facebook, Email Marketing or Linkedin
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  • Profile picture of the author zamj641
    For the Guy that wanted to know how to get a JV offer without having a list of any kind. What is one thing that all internet marketers need wether they like to admit it or not? All internet marketers need content. If you have some quality relevant content you can offer them also offer a higher than normal commission.

    These are things that may help but still will be very difficult to get anyone to jump on the bandwagon so to say. I believe in helping out others here in the warrior forum so shoot me a PM and I'll discuss this in a little more detail.

    Russ Birkenholz
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  • Profile picture of the author blillard
    Build a front end and back end sales machine. Give the front away at 100%commission and keep your back end. Not too many are willing to pass up a chance to get 100%commission considering the product is good. This is done all the time just look at wso's. Many have no list when they start and launch and all of a sudden have hundreds of leads who are buyers. If you play the game right you can win. I wouldn't do any of the other things without doing that first. I rather leverage others.
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