Don't you think it's time to find a partner?

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Here's something which I truly believe is
affecting marketers who work alone.

I'm not talking about getting laid here.

I'm talking about collaborations.

It's amazing to think how many people
just stumble through this crazy tough
business all alone.

Nobody to watch your back. Nobody to
pick you up and shake you down.

Nobody to tell you you're an idiot or
that you're missing something stupidly
obvious.

Nobody to give you that little spark of
imagination when your coffee cup is empty.

Don't you think it's time you found someone
to partner with?

Think how much better your products would
be... or how much stress you'll cut out from
managing/building new projects/campaigns.

Or heck, just the coolness it would be to
hook up and jive on Skype for an hour
each day and remain connected and focused
in your business.

I'm not saying I practise what I preach...but
I am trying so hard to get to collaborative
stages asap.

I won't do it for the sake of it... there has to
be leverage points between all parties involved.

My dream partner/s are techy guys who "get"
design and marketing on a similar level.

But I digress...

My point is - if you spend all day and night
alone, is it any wonder that you find yourself
buying so many products and losing track?

You've got no accountability.

You've got no inspiration or fresh ideas.

You've got a sense of "blindness" over your
methods, your design, your copy, your products...

...heck, your entire marketing perhaps.

Your purchases are no longer education...

...they are crutches, or substitutions for
collaborations.

You buy them to fix previous failed projects,
or to hear someone else's voice.

Many of you won't "get" those last two
sentences, but those of you that understand
what I mean will feel the note vibrate through
their ribcage.

I know this 'aint nothing new. Big boys like
John Reese were urging little guys and gals
like us to collaborate years ago...

...and many in this forum know it and
suggested long before me.

But let this be a reminder for the near
future if you like...

...try and collaborate with others.

It's amazing how wide your peripheral and
auditory senses stretch when you do.

Nick
#find #partner #time
  • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
    Good comments, Nick.

    I think that's one of the main benefits of the regional mastermind meetings that are often posted on WF. It's been said before how it can be hard to chat to family and friends about what it is we do online. How nice is it to speak to people who know what you're talking about and who can bounce ideas around with you.

    I'm lucky enough to have a good friend interstate who is also a marketer. We have chatted on skype, but we email each other sometimes several times a day, and have worked together on a couple of projects. It's therapeutic. We're working on getting together in person sometime soon, just haven't decided if we hook up in cold Melbourne or warm and sunny Brisbane.
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    • Profile picture of the author decadance
      Originally Posted by Audrey Harvey View Post

      Good comments, Nick.

      I'm lucky enough to have a good friend interstate who is also a marketer. We have chatted on skype, but we email each other sometimes several times a day, and have worked together on a couple of projects. It's therapeutic. We're working on getting together in person sometime soon, just haven't decided if we hook up in cold Melbourne or warm and sunny Brisbane.
      so lucky you are,,but everyone isn't that luck...they likely only found their doom..
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  • Profile picture of the author Debbie Allen
    I totally agree. I never realized just how advantageous it is to have online friends and 'partners'. I have a couple people that I interact with regularly. It's great to talk with others that are living through the same things I am.

    I always bounce my ideas and plans off of them. It's great to get their feedback. Another benefit is that we can help each other out in various ways.

    The Internet world can be a lonely place - having people like my friends/partners can help make the Internet seem more like home!
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas
    Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

    Don't you think it's time to find a partner?
    Tried that a few years ago right here on the Warrior Forum (via a written agreement with someone who had been a seemingly well-respected member for a number of years). All went well for a while until the ******* suddenly vanished with nearly $20k of my money, which resulted in legal action by me, which, in turn, resulted in him then seemingly vanishing off the face of the earth.

    Poof!

    Gone!



    Having a partner can be a good idea... just make sure they live close enough that'll it'll be convenient for you to call 'round to their house with a baseball bat if they suddenly take an unhealthy interest in your share of the profits.

    Tommy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ping Liang
      This is an idea that has come to me recently, too.

      I have found that many of the IM products are made by pairs who can compensate each other's weaknesses in addition to supporting with each other. However, a good partner is not easy to find. I am still looking.
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      Originally Posted by Thomas View Post


      Having a partner can be a good idea... just make sure they live close enough that'll it'll be convenient for you to call 'round to their house with a baseball bat if they suddenly take an unhealthy interest in your share of the profits.

      Tommy.
      Knee cap em Tommy!!

      He's lucky he don't live in Ireland

      On Topic:

      You'll spend a heck of a lot of time trying to find people who will collaborate with you as so many in this so called "Internet Marketing" line of work are stuck in these little ruts and don't really want to listen to another person who has the intelligence to know collaboration is the way forward.
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  • Profile picture of the author Filter
    Thanks for the post Nick.

    Partnering up is something I've been seriously considering for a few months now but as was pointed out by Thomas, I want to find someone local to avoid the additional problems it creates if things go pear shaped.

    I've even tried to stir up interest in the Local Meetings section but not getting much response which is damn frustrating.

    Besides the sharing/pooling of ideas and resources, personally I'd find it very beneficial to have someone kick my butt for spending too much time playing online golf instead of building another site

    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author BlazingSwitch
      Partners are a tricky thing. Different skill sets, personalities, goals, management styles, among other things. Over time, these differences will grow and can cause frustration.

      I find the best partners are those who compliment each other with different skills sets, and a well thought out plan. You work out that plan, put into writing, and also allow a back door at the beginning. Should something not work out.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    No partners. BTDT... got the t-shirt (and the scars on my a$$ to prove it).
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    Nick,

    Sorry my ribcage didn't vibrate (except when I was on the Central Line the other day...)

    However I agree with you but only if by "partner" you mean "mutual mentor".

    Actually doing a full on partnership business ... yuk. Been there, done that - not burned financially but it can be frustrating as you have to compromise on your ideas. And you may have issues with who is spending the most time on the project.
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  • Profile picture of the author myeanne
    Definitely.
    However, you need to be careful in finding the right one. It's a little bit risky since you'll need to trust others. Ask everything and demand all the things that you need in order the find the best one.
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  • Profile picture of the author sodette1
    Great OP... some really good insights there.

    Fact is, it's very hard, almost miraculously rare, to find solopreneurs who are break-through examples of independent wealth building success.

    Name one successful marketer who does it all alone... no VA's, no outsourcing, no employees, no partners, no mastermind groups or accountability coaches, no mentors or peer groups for feedback and input, etc.

    Rare. Very rare indeed.

    I can name a few copywriters and freelancers (service providers) who do a significant amount of business, but at some point, the lightbulb goes on in a flashing burst of *Holy Crap!* and they realize how they ARE the business, that they own a JOB, how they are limited by the lack of LEVERAGE they haven't created in their business.

    Partners? Like Mike H. been there, done that... the only partnership that's been a long term success in my life so far, is my marriage to Leam, my beautiful and incredible wife (no, she doesn't read these posts... lol). That said, my first marriage - not so successful.

    Partnerships take a LOT of work and the best ones start with clarity.

    Who does what?
    Who gets what?
    How is it distributed?
    What if you don't pull your weight?
    What if I don't pull mine?
    What happens if I want out?
    What happens if you want out?
    Who owns the intellectual capital and copyright's to what we create together?
    Who has the final say on decisions?

    etc., etc., etc.

    To me, the best partnerships are Project Based. In other words... if you are interested in being my partner, on ONE PROJECT, let's talk. Let's work out the details above and see if we can come up with a working plan.

    Don't be offended if I say no - it's better to know up-front if a potential partnership isn't a good match than to get married and then go through the whole divorce process, separating assets, deciding custody, etc.

    However, its a simple fact - "A team of two can accomplish a LOT more than an island of one." And when the team is a great match, that's when magic can happen.

    This new world of global connections and the fact that you now have virtually unlimited access to billions... with a "B" - BILLIONS of potential partners from all over the world, surely opens doors that have been welded shut in past history.

    Don't be afraid to make mistakes, be careful in your planning, find partners and outsource workers whom you can trust, work hard, build relationships, be trustworthy and hard working yourself, be honest in your dealings with others yourself, become someone other's WANT to partner with or get to know better...

    Know you are gonna get screwed all the same - sometime, once or twice or ten times, along the way.

    But also know that the alternative - no partners, no outsourcing, no employees, no collaborations, etc. - means that you ARE limited to how much you can accomplish and how fast, large, or influentially you can grow your business.

    It's just a fact.

    You can't get your heart broken if you never ask anyone to date - but you also won't go on any dates.

    If my first marriage kept me from dating, I'd never have met Leam - and the result of that partnership has been wonderful.

    By the way... in the last three years alone I had multiple partners in my real estate business leave me hangin' to the tune of over $250k - life goes on. Next.

    Now get out there and create something great - together.
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  • Profile picture of the author Leslie B
    I'd never want a 'fixed' partner. I rather do the main part of my busniess alone and then work with a partner for projects that I can't do alone. That way I only have one person to be responsible for.

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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

      Tried that a few years ago right here on the Warrior Forum (via a written agreement with someone who had been a seemingly well-respected member for a number of years). All went well for a while until the ******* suddenly vanished with nearly $20k of my money, which resulted in legal action by me, which, in turn, resulted in him then seemingly vanishing off the face of the earth.

      Poof!

      Gone!



      Having a partner can be a good idea... just make sure they live close enough that'll it'll be convenient for you to call 'round to their house with a baseball bat if they suddenly take an unhealthy interest in your share of the profits.

      Tommy.

      I'm not just talking about business partnerships in the monetary sense. I'm talking about friends, mastermind buddies, mentors... in the same business preferably.

      I agree, business partnering is risky and often hassle... although undoubtedly worth it.

      There's so many ways you do it though. You can partner on product creation, then part ways when it comes to marketing.

      You can partner on a Google Adwords account, and split the traffic.

      You can partner with other list owners and do bigger ad swaps.

      You can partner to get a loan... more assets and a bigger case = more money you can split.

      You can partner on promotions (the common and obvious choice)

      You can partner on just about anything... in just about an unlimited number of ways.
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  • Profile picture of the author Online Bliss
    Attending a Marketing seminar, learning
    and mingling with other online Marketers
    and possibly a few Joint Ventures
    is as far as I care to go.

    PS. A quality Seminar will make you feel like you
    have a partner.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
      Is this not what amounts to a Mastermind group?
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    as the old saying goes "two heads better than one"
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  • Profile picture of the author n7 Studios
    You'd think it'd be a great idea, right?

    A mentor, professional friend / buddy to bounce ideas off, hold accountable to one another, and progress your business. A sort of checks and balances, if you like.

    Wrong.

    After a year of organising a local meetup group in the Midlands, based on this superb idea, I gave up. The idea - discuss all things IM, and occasionally throw in more specific topics, to help those new to IM, or to add more ideas to those well established in the area. Follow up with those members at future meetups to see how they were getting on.

    The reality?

    "I can't make a weekend".

    "I can't make a weekday".

    "I've got to do X, Y, Z".

    (Honestly, how many times can you service a car?)

    Those who are successful at IM forge partnerships with others who are successful - and most of them get to that status themselves through hard work. Whether any of them had such a mentoring / buddy system would be interesting to find out.

    Those who are unsuccessful at IM fail to put an ounce of effort into such a simple idea, which would easily catapult their business forward in a short space of time. Instead they're happy to drift along, p*ss money up the wall buying WSO's and keep dreaming the dream.

    It's a real shame, but I can't see partnerships happening with the current trend of attitudes.
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  • Profile picture of the author iSoftware
    Partnerships are great - they can be death traps too. Some things I've learned:

    1) The law will never be able to legislate morality. Look for someone whose business ethics and long term reputation means more to him or her than a quick buck

    2) Have the same business objectives. If someone is hard up for money and you try to partner with them, if you want to make long term investments that may take a while to pay off, you're going to have problems

    3) Watch how people behave with money - even if it's $1. If you are in a partnership with someone and they don't pay their bills, that's a RED FLAG

    4) Make sure you are giving and receiving equally. No you shouldn't keep a score card....What I'm saying is that there has to be a geniune desire to help the other person succeeed, irrespective of whether or not there's an immediate pay off for you....

    These are just some tips, but they've helped me immeasurably. Now when I meet potential partners online, I'm quick to spot "takers" and I'm also extra careful to let the "givers - the honest, good natured folks out there - know how much I appreciate their generosity and business ethics because it's RARE indeed!
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    • Profile picture of the author dbolton
      I agree with just about all the views expressed here. Just yesterday, I revived a thread about doing a "team project".

      True, it's not easy to find the best people to partner with. Also true is that it would be preferable to team up with someone (or several) for ONE project only, and see how that goes.

      It's not easy to find people whom one can trust, who will do their share of the work, and do it on time... but of course, it certainly is not impossible!

      I think most people here have seen how difficult it is to go it alone in every aspect of their projects: content creation, website design and creation, SEO, link exchanges, social media, etc. etc. MANY hours of work and frustration.

      I, for one, LOVE the idea of partnering with one or more people, first for one project, then perhaps for more, if all goes well. As someone here mentioned there are millions of people in the world with whom would could theoretically work. Why not give it a try? Unless, of course, one has already been very successful at this by him/herself.

      But action is more important than theorizing: therefore, if anyone would like to give the partnership concept a try, please write me at dbolton99b@yahoo.es I will then send you a free Ebook I wrote a few days ago, that contains my thoughts on different aspects of IM, as well as musings about doing projects in a group. (Yes, I take this idea so seriosuly, that I even wrote an Ebook about it - not to sell, but simply to let potential partners know the way I think on this subject).


      In closing, let me just say that for me, planning and GETTING THINGS done is of paramount importance; if you feel the same, maybe we can work together!

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      • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
        Absolutely YES! I've been trying to get people to understand that's exactly why they fail. Nobody can do anything great alone. Name anything great that anyone has done all alone. Mediocre, yes. Pay the bills most of the time, yes. Most people want better results and that's what money is: a result not a reason. Working together works.

        Business partnerships rarely work but projects with 3 and sometimes 5 team members do. More than 5 is a never-ending meetup for talking and endless postponements and a waste of time.

        Foolproof Projects:
        • YOU foot the bill for all business expenses.
        • YOU discuss the project and come to an agreement on the project.
        • YOU make final decisions after you discuss options with the other two
        • YOU make sure the others are good at what they're supposed to be doing.
        • YOU make sure they always WANT to do what you expect them to.
        • YOU take up the slack and do whatever the other two don't like to do.
        • YOU pay to outsource the tedious grunt work nobody wants to do.

        THEY are happy campers and end up doing an even better job than you thought possible. Nobody has to keep track of what someone already wants to do and the results prove it. Split the profits 3-ways and call it a day.

        YOU can trust your best friend with your life but you cannot trust anyone with your money or your wife. Believe that.


        Note: Let's work for real profits you can expect to see within 30-45 days without spending a single penny. Now make me prove it!! :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author doyourbest9
    Having a partner is always a good idea. You can hire somebody for a fixed amount and get your work done and pay them in installements. In that case you will not be cheated finally.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    Partnerships don't work... Invariably one partner ends up working harder than the other... And then resents the fact that he is giving away half of the profits for mostly his work. Seen it happen so many times.
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