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I want to send emails out to police stations, auto shops, and small businesses.

How can I get a list and sent out a mass email with my website and product without spamming.
#email #marketing #mass
  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    You build the list with a program like Aweber and they have to double opt in to said list. Otherwise, it's spamming.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rockmanfl
      you can try using safelists, but you won't know if they are businesses you want to target or not, safelists will generally target other internet marketers
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    • Profile picture of the author BlazingSwitch
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      You build the list with a program like Aweber and they have to double opt in to said list. Otherwise, it's spamming.
      Correct.

      You need to follow CANNED SPAM regulations. You had also better check with your web host. Because some are not going to be as tolerant as others.

      A couple of complaints, and you will lose ALL your boxes.
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      • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        You build the list with a program like Aweber and they have to double opt in to said list. Otherwise, it's spamming.
        Actually, that's incorrect. Opting in, whether double or single, is not a requirement of emailing anyone for commercial reasons or otherwise. Best practice, yes. Legal requirement, no.

        All you need to do to send commercial email to anyone for any reason is comply with the rules set forth here:

        The CAN-SPAM Act: A Compliance Guide for Business

        Now whether people THINK it's spam or not is another matter. Case in point.

        EDIT to clarify: In the eyes of the law, it's not the opt-in that's important, but the opt-out. If you're using a 3rd party provider like aweber, THEY require you to have permission from recipients to get emails in order for you to use their bulk service. It's not a legal requirement.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Colin Theriot View Post

          Actually, that's incorrect. Opting in, whether double or single, is not a requirement of emailing anyone for commercial reasons or otherwise. Best practice, yes. Legal requirement, no.

          All you need to do to send commercial email to anyone for any reason is comply with the rules set forth here:

          The CAN-SPAM Act: A Compliance Guide for Business

          Now whether people THINK it's spam or not is another matter. Case in point.

          EDIT to clarify: In the eyes of the law, it's not the opt-in that's important, but the opt-out. If you're using a 3rd party provider like aweber, THEY require you to have permission from recipients to get emails in order for you to use their bulk service. It's not a legal requirement.
          True - wrong about the word illegal ... you can send out unsolicited commercial email (UCE) legally but you will most likely get into trouble with your ISP when the spam complaints start rolling it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            True - wrong about the word illegal ... you can send out unsolicited commercial email (UCE) legally but you will most likely get into trouble with your ISP when the spam complaints start rolling it.
            Yes, good point to note. This is WHY the 3rd party email providers are so strict about using opt-in, too. Because they send on your behalf for PAY, they are ALSO on the line for compliance. Having the permission records covers THEM.

            If you send them from Outlook or whatever, your actual provider will get mad. If you send them through MOST 3rd party providers, they are going to want opt-ins. You CAN use software like MaxBulk Mailer, which will let you send bulk, but set correct throttling to comply with your ISP, which believe it or not, will have a set number of emails you are allowed to send through their systems each day.

            Obviously, they are all different. The only one I know first hand is if you're installing your own emailer software at GoDaddy specifically, per hosting account, you can send up to 1000 emails in a rolling 24 hour period.

            Check with your host/ISP and make sure you don't break their rules and as long as you're legally compliant, you should be okay. Be aware that they CAN just tell you no, because it's their computer system. Just because it's not illegal to do doesn't mean they have to allow it.
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          • Profile picture of the author craigc1980
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            True - wrong about the word illegal ... you can send out unsolicited commercial email (UCE) legally but you will most likely get into trouble with your ISP when the spam complaints start rolling it.
            Sorry, i would have to say i agree with sbucciarel
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  • Profile picture of the author myeanne
    You should have a software and use a bulk e-mail system to send out your e-mails as often as you need.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by myeanne View Post

      You should have a software and use a bulk e-mail system to send out your e-mails as often as you need.
      So, your recommendation is that he break the law and spam?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan Shaw
    what about finding people that have an email list in the mom's market? I would pay someone to send my ad to their list
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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
      Originally Posted by traffictipsnow View Post

      what about finding people that have an email list in the mom's market? I would pay someone to send my ad to their list
      What about it? I'm afraid your question is unclear.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan Shaw
    Where can I find people that have email lists that I can use to send a solo email other than sites like rent a list or general safe lists.

    Are there places to find email lists of a certain niche, like moms?
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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
      Originally Posted by traffictipsnow View Post

      Where can I find people that have email lists that I can use to send a solo email other than sites like rent a list or general safe lists.

      Are there places to find email lists of a certain niche, like moms?
      If you can't find any specifically by googling what you're looking for, try just searching the niche's key terms, then making note of all the sites that accept email subscribers. Contact them directly.

      Try Google Blog Search and Google News specifically, because these are going to be high-content, high freshness sites. Even if they don't have newsletters, it will be worthwhile to comment, contribute, add value THEN backlink. Plus, you can offer to guest post and vice versa, for a more ongoing traffic reciprocation relationship.

      That's how I'd do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizconsultant
    what software solutions allow you to send out mass emails to business that are legal and compliant but are not emails that have opted-in?
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Colin,
    This is WHY the 3rd party email providers are so strict about using opt-in, too. Because they send on your behalf for PAY, they are ALSO on the line for compliance. Having the permission records covers THEM.
    The practice by most ESPs of requiring lists to be real opt-in was prevalent long before CAN-SPAM. It's not about covering themselves legally. It's about getting the mail delivered.

    I'm not really sure if an ESP can be held liable for violations of CAN-SPAM that are made by their customers. You might want to talk to an attorney who knows the Act to be sure.

    As a side note, I'd like to remind folks that any post promoting email spamming (the sending of unsolicited bulk email) is against the rules here, and has been for over 10 years.

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  • Profile picture of the author JonAlfredsson
    I also agree with going for Aweber in creating a list. this will help you send them out properly for better results and reaching out to more people.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizconsultant
    Paul,

    Thanks for the heads up on what is and is not allowed in the forum. I'm very new to more than just the forum and appreciate the reminder.

    Thank you!
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    • Profile picture of the author benbro
      Hi Ryan, I realize this is an old thread but have you ever looked into Charlie Shaw's directory of ezines? Its very comprehensive...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan Mizel
    Here's another idea that's way better then spamming, and much faster than building your own list. Contact people who have opt-in lists of your ideal prospects and partner with them.

    Many associations and publishers rent their list for a one-time solo ad, or even sell ad space. Contact large niche sites, trade associations, unions, bloggers, or anyone else who has your prospects, but doesn't compete directly with you.

    You would be surprised how cheap you can still get ads for, even pick up some nice affiliates.

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  • Profile picture of the author OrangeBull
    Here's an idea that isn't spamming that has been around for years that is highly targeted and targetable to the group you are talking about.

    Good old fashioned post cards.

    I know it is potentially sacrilege here on an Internet Marketing forum, but the question was about targeting small businesses, police stations, and auto shops.

    I suspect that the best way to target these places might be direct mail, or the good old fashioned phone call.

    I don't think that the Do Not Call list applies to police stations or businesses in general.
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  • Profile picture of the author jackphillipcbccr
    Even I am looking for a software to send mass emails to my clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    Consider using reputable services such as InfoUSA. They have lists for rental in nearly every niche and business. In addition, they will handle the legal and email marketing compliance issues on their end. Mailing postcards and/or buying highly targeted postal mailing lists (with contact information) are available options.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    Sending unsolicited email (spam) to someone is a total waste of time. I get a ton of emails every day from people who have some how gotten my email and it goes to the spam filter. I never see these emails, I mark them as spam and delete them.

    You get a "spam" mark to your IPS provider and enough of those and they will close your account.

    Now, to answer your question on how to do this and it NOT be spam...

    You can find some others who have permission to email to such lists and offer a joint venture to them. You could ask that question here in another thread, how to find joint venture partners who email to police stations, auto shops and small businesses.

    I might have you check with your local chamber of commerce and even other smaller networking groups in your area.

    You can create a separate lead capture page (squeeze page, opt on page or landing page) whatever you want to call it, for each group and target those businesses to get them to sign up offer them what they would be looking for and thus create your own list to send emails to.

    You could attend trade shows with a booth where those businesses would also attend and have a give away that they can sign up for to get your newsletter so that they have opted in that way.

    You could place an ad in business journals offering something to small businesses and send them to your squeeze page to sign up for the newsletter to get the offer.

    Those are a few ideas off the top of my head.

    Good luck.

    BTW, squeeze pages are easy to put up even if you have no previous technical knowledge. If I can do it, anyone can. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author BlackRob
    If you wish to go down the route of sending UCE (unsolicited commercial email), then I would be more than prepared to see your account shut down faster than you can blink, due to the inevitable SPAM complaints against you.

    Also, right now it is not a legal requirement that your subscribers do not need to opt in, by sending to police stations, and other Government bodies, just how long do you think it will be before the authorities decide it should be a legal requirement.

    Sadly internet marketing, epsecially the make money niche is under a tremendous amount of scrutiny now, quite rightly, but we do not need to give the authorities any more ammunition now by our actions now do we?
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