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Hey guys,

I launched a new product on clickbank about a week ago. So far I have about 165 hops and 0 sales.

My hoplink skips the opt-in list (advice from WF) and the root domain (if found via google, etc.) goes to opt-in page. So far I've gotten 3 subscribers.

Anyway - here's my question. What is the most effective way to build my list and gain traffic? I can pay $250 for a mailout to another marketers list, but that seems steep, especially if I still get 0 sales. No one seems to be up on any JV's except list trading and my list is 3 people.

Any suggestions?

Here is the link to the website: The Quick Profit Code
#building #list #traffic
  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    The fastest way is using PPC. If you don't know what you are doing with it though, I would take some time to learn how.
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    • Profile picture of the author craigc1980
      The main key when launching a product is building your list as fast as possible.

      PPc does work well if you know what your doing.

      I would also use the warrior forum.

      Create a free report relating to your launch and give it away for free in the wso section.

      This should build your list pretty quickly.

      Use jvgiveaways and upgrade in some of the bigger events. This is a good way to get tons of signups on the giveaways launch day.
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert Domino
        Originally Posted by craigc1980 View Post

        The main key when launching a product is building your list as fast as possible.
        Can you expand on this a bit? I come from a web industry where list building isn't nearly as common.

        I read about mailing lists constantly on this forum and I whole heartedly believe they're important, but would simply like to know in a few words how building a list fast is going to help with this product.

        I can understand how it will help in the future, but how does it help you short term?

        Thanks for the info.
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        • Profile picture of the author craigc1980
          Originally Posted by Robert Domino View Post

          Can you expand on this a bit? I come from a web industry where list building isn't nearly as common.

          I read about mailing lists constantly on this forum and I whole heartedly believe they're important, but would simply like to know in a few words how building a list fast is going to help with this product.

          I can understand how it will help in the future, but how does it help you short term?

          Thanks for the info.
          Building a list fast or really just building a list period will help any business that you launch. Just as long as you are building your list in the same or around the same niche as your product.

          Building a list will help your business because you can simply send promotions to your list and build relationships with your clients.

          They trust you so, naturally they will buy from you.
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      • Profile picture of the author scrofford
        Originally Posted by GamblingMarket View Post

        This is not about gaining traffic but the first page looks pretty plain.

        Built some proofs into it and put some video testimonials in it. You can find them on different job platforms and pay them some bucks.

        Wish you luck!
        Did you read the OP? The OP asked how they can building their list and GAINING traffic. You can do all the neat little tricks on the site you want, but if you don't get good targeted traffic, you aren't going to sell anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerdrun
    the best way to do it is using articles.... and videos too...
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    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by tylerdrun View Post

      the best way to do it is using articles.... and videos too...
      NO, that is one way of doing it. It might not be the BEST way for the OP. It depends on a few different factors. Maybe the OP is good at writing ads and wants to build traffic fast, so they would use PPC. Or maybe the OP doesn't have a video camera and doesn't want to outsource video quite yet or at all. The point is there is no "best" way. All of the techniques can work if you work them and you have to figure out what is BEST for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    What you need is a system that will show you step by step how you can rake in massive profits day after day. Something that starts from scratch and takes you to paycheck. Ideally every step of the process would be written out for you - even the steps those pesky gurus don't want to share with you.

    I wonder where you could get such a system?
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    • Profile picture of the author AHartzell
      Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

      What you need is a system that will show you step by step how you can rake in massive profits day after day. Something that starts from scratch and takes you to paycheck. Ideally every step of the process would be written out for you - even the steps those pesky gurus don't want to share with you.

      I wonder where you could get such a system?
      umm...my website? I'm confused :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author theemperor
        Originally Posted by AHartzell View Post

        umm...my website? I'm confused :confused:
        Exactly - doesn't your own product tell you about list building or at least getting traffic?

        You are struggling to sell a book on how to make money, specifically "how to double or triple commissions". How Ironic.
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        • Profile picture of the author craigc1980
          Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

          For Christ's sake man: you do NOT learn PPC in the Make Money Online niche. You do NOT learn over night. Learning, as far as PPC goes, implies spending a SIGNIFICANT amount of money in test campaigns while learning the ropes, and you do NOT do that on one of the most difficult and competitive niches out there!

          That'd be like training freshman soldiers by directly sending them to the battle front without having gone through any training basecamp first.

          Again, I repeat: you do not do PPC in the Online Marketing Niche unless you're an expert. You do not learn PPC in the Online Marketing Niche because if you do, you go bankrupt.

          I will ask you this question: do you make a living by doing this? are you giving this advise to the OP based on first-hand experience?
          I disagree. Where do you get your advice from? It doesn't matter where you start. You still have to learn it before you try it.

          Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

          I pointed out that I have been learning PPC by reading and trying. It depends on what keywords you are using as far as if you are going to end up broke or not if you don't know what you are doing. Listen, PPC is an option. It is a good option. I NEVER SAID YOU LEARN IT OVERNIGHT OR THE NEXT DAY EITHER. As a matter of fact, learning the whole IM business takes a lot of time. So don't go and try to make this something I didn't say or imply. I simply said it was a good option IF YOU LEARNED HOW TO DO IT RIGHT.

          And by the way, a lot of "freshman" soldiers as you put it have been trained by going into battle with very little training. Do you think during wartime new soldiers learn all they need to in basic training? If you do you are very mistaken.
          I agree. I used PPC when i first started online. I read a report then bought the PPC product that was linked in the report.

          Within the first few weeks i profited around $400

          My first sale came within the first week of me being online.
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  • Profile picture of the author beneth
    You either have time or money. If you're worried about spending $250 on a mail drop, let's assume you've got more time on your hands than cash, so you're going to want to stick with SEO, writing linkbait articles, guest-posting on blogs in your niche, etc.
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    One common denominator in all my IM endeavors - I lack traffic...
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  • Profile picture of the author AHartzell
    no video camera and not really set up for a professional looking video. Definitely don't want to outsource it either.

    I don't have a huge budget for PPC so I'm leaning toward a solo ad mailout...thoughts?
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    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by AHartzell View Post

      no video camera and not really set up for a professional looking video. Definitely don't want to outsource it either.

      I don't have a huge budget for PPC so I'm leaning toward a solo ad mailout...thoughts?
      A good book IMHO to check out before starting any PPC program is "Ultimate Guide To Google Adwords" By Perry Marshall and Bryan Todd. It has been teaching me alot and you can get it at any major bookstore or on Amazon.
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    Find group JV partners & affiliates.
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    • Profile picture of the author AHartzell
      Originally Posted by tristen View Post

      Find group JV partners & affiliates.
      Trying now in the JV section...not a lot of luck without a list.

      I wish I could find a generous person who would promote my product to their list of 50k subscribers without charging me a car payment :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author craigc1980
        Originally Posted by AHartzell View Post

        Trying now in the JV section...not a lot of luck without a list.

        I wish I could find a generous person who would promote my product to their list of 50k subscribers without charging me a car payment :rolleyes:
        I only charge $150

        Even less than a used car payment
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        • Profile picture of the author AHartzell
          Originally Posted by craigc1980 View Post

          I only charge $150

          Even less than a used car payment
          How many subscribers? Niche? Average conversion rate or clicks?
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          Originally Posted by craigc1980 View Post

          I only charge $150

          Even less than a used car payment
          Well, that depends on credit of course!
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  • Profile picture of the author JonAlfredsson
    PPC really works. But there are other things that you can do. Creat a free report - post here in WF for those who wants to get the free report.

    Or.. you can also take advantage of social media sites. You will surely know a lot of potential customers for you that could be part of your big list.

    In your landing page (Optin box).. Prepare a special report about your product and give them that for free in exchange for their contact information.
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  • I REALLY wished people would for a change empathize when a question is asked and would stop giving copy/paste nonsense answers.

    So, do you guys REALLY advise doing PPC campaigns on the IM niche (a cut-throat niche) to someone who's obviously a newbie?

    Look, if you do PPC on the IM niche you're going to be eaten alive unless you're a truly expert in PPC, and by an expert I don't mean a so-proclaimed expert like many on this forum but actually someone who does PPC like a wiz. PPC in some specific ultra-competitive niches (IM among them) is like swimming among sharks.
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    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      I REALLY wished people would for a change empathize when a question is asked and would stop giving copy/paste nonsense answers.

      So, do you guys REALLY advise doing PPC campaigns on the IM niche (a cut-throat niche) to someone who's obviously a newbie?

      Look, if you do PPC on the IM niche you're going to be eaten alive unless you're a truly expert in PPC, and by an expert I don't mean a so-proclaimed expert like many on this forum but actually someone who does PPC like a wiz. PPC in some specific ultra-competitive niches (IM among them) is like swimming among sharks.
      The OP asked about gaining traffic. PPC is very effective IF you know what you are doing. And just because YOU don't like the answers given about PPC doesn't mean the OP couldn't learn and do well with it.

      Becoming an expert in PPC is a valuable skill. What's wrong with suggesting learning about it and implementing it? You have to start learning somewhere.
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  • Oh, and to the OP: why are you entering the Make Money Online niche if you don't make money yourself? what exactly do you have to offer to that niche? Don't you see the ironic discrepancy there? Why don't you, instead, cater to a niche you're more experienced/comfortable with?
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      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      Oh, and to the OP: why are you entering the Make Money Online niche if you don't make money yourself? what exactly do you have to offer to that niche? Don't you see the ironic discrepancy there? Why don't you, instead, cater to a niche you're more experienced/comfortable with?
      Why do you ask such questions? The OP had a traffic question, which a lot of people have issues with. I wonder if you are making boat loads of cash yourself? This isn't about which niche the OP is working in. This question again is about traffic, which the problem could happen in any niche market.
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      • Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

        Why do you ask such questions? The OP had a traffic question, which a lot of people have issues with. I wonder if you are making boat loads of cash yourself? This isn't about which niche the OP is working in. This question again is about traffic, which the problem could happen in any niche market.
        Because the OP is a obviously a newbie, and the very first advice he should be getting as a newbie is not about "how to get traffic" but about "what niches should I get that traffic on". And since he's not making money himself, chances are he is NOT going to succeed on the IM niche, at least yet.

        Are we trying to help him or what?

        And my earnings are fine, thanks for asking.
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        • Profile picture of the author regska
          Hi,

          This would really take some time to work out. If you have budget, then use the money for PPC and get quick result. but I'm really not a big fan of PPC as I'm not an expert doing it. Some of them are right, you need to build your list first, it should be the number priority if you are selling ebooks online. if you don't have enough subscribers list, you'll have a hard time making some sales.

          I clicked on your sig link and I found that it's a squeeze page. Why don't you maximize you squeeze page, write some articles that links to your squeeze page, do blog commenting, write at least 10 posts per day to various forums in your niche, do some guest blogging as well. This would really give you some results when it comes to building your list if you do it consistently.

          I started selling an ebook only when I hit the 500 subscriber mark. That way, I didn't have a hard time making fast money, and when i earned fast money, I reinvest it to expand my business. I also informed my subscribers to promote my ebook and offered them generous commissions, I even ran a contest for the top 5 affiliates, and I tell you, they really went crazy and the traffic is on auto-pilot, by just letting hundreds of people promote my product.

          Focus on list building first not sales, sales is easier once you have customers base.
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        • Profile picture of the author scrofford
          Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

          Because the OP is a obviously a newbie, and the very first advice he should be getting as a newbie is not about "how to get traffic" but about "what niches should I get that traffic on". And since he's not making money himself, chances are he is NOT going to succeed on the IM niche, at least yet.

          Are we trying to help him or what?

          And my earnings are fine, thanks for asking.
          I disagree. Obviously the OP wants to try the IM niche. Nothing wrong with that. He may or may not make it, but the OP wasn't asking our opinion about what niche he should be involved in. He was asking about TRAFFIC. And PPC is one of the BEST ways to drive massive traffic to your product offer. If someone doesn't know how to run a PPC campaign, then just like everyone else...The CAN learn.

          The bottom line isn't what "niche" market should a person go after. The bottom line is where can someone fill a need or desire. As I see it, the IM niche maybe cutthroat and have a lot of competition, but it IS profitable. If the OP can find a way to fulfill a need or a desire, and drive traffic to that solution, he is home free.
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          • Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

            I disagree. Obviously the OP wants to try the IM niche. Nothing wrong with that. He may or may not make it, but the OP wasn't asking our opinion about what niche he should be involved in. He was asking about TRAFFIC. And PPC is one of the BEST ways to drive massive traffic to your product offer. If someone doesn't know how to run a PPC campaign, then just like everyone else...The CAN learn.

            The bottom line isn't what "niche" market should a person go after. The bottom line is where can someone fill a need or desire. As I see it, the IM niche maybe cutthroat and have a lot of competition, but it IS profitable. If the OP can find a way to fulfill a need or a desire, and drive traffic to that solution, he is home free.
            Whatever, I give up.

            I will just say this much: if a newbie goes PPC on the IM niche, he WILL go bankrupt, I guarantee. I thought the point of this forum was to point newbies in the right direction, not to throw them against a wall while saying "you can do it boy, the sky is the limit. Here, take these pink sunglasses with you!".

            OP, here are two advise from someone who does make a very comfortable living doing this whole IM thingy:
            • Stay away from PPC for the Make Money Online niche until you're truly a expert.
            • Stay away from the Make Money Online niche altogether until you actually make money online yourself.
            Now it's your call...
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            • Profile picture of the author scrofford
              Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

              Whatever, I give up.

              I will just say this much: if a newbie goes PPC on the IM niche, he WILL go bankrupt, I guarantee.
              And all I am saying is that is not true IF the newbie LEARNS how to do PPC FIRST. It's pretty simple. The OP asked about gaining traffic and wanted to know some of the best and fastest ways. Article marketing is a good way to generate traffic, and so is backlinking. So is PPC but I have been continuously saying you must LEARN it first.
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              • Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

                And all I am saying is that is not true IF the newbie LEARNS how to do PPC FIRST. It's pretty simple.
                For Christ's sake man: you do NOT learn PPC in the Make Money Online niche. You do NOT learn over night. Learning, as far as PPC goes, implies spending a SIGNIFICANT amount of money in test campaigns while learning the ropes, and you do NOT do that on one of the most difficult and competitive niches out there!

                That'd be like training freshman soldiers by directly sending them to the battle front without having gone through any training basecamp first.

                Again, I repeat: you do not do PPC in the Online Marketing Niche unless you're an expert. You do not learn PPC in the Online Marketing Niche because if you do, you go bankrupt.

                I will ask you this question: do you make a living by doing this? are you giving this advise to the OP based on first-hand experience?
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                • Profile picture of the author scrofford
                  Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

                  For Christ's sake man: you do NOT learn PPC in the Make Money Online niche. You do NOT learn over night. Learning, as far as PPC goes, implies spending a SIGNIFICANT amount of money in test campaigns while learning the ropes, and you do NOT do that on one of the most difficult and competitive niches out there!

                  That'd be like training freshman soldiers by directly sending them to the battle front without having gone through any training basecamp first.

                  Again, I repeat: you do not do PPC in the Online Marketing Niche unless you're an expert. You do not learn PPC in the Online Marketing Niche because if you do, you go bankrupt.

                  I will ask you this question: do you make a living by doing this? are you giving this advise to the OP based on first-hand experience?
                  I pointed out that I have been learning PPC by reading and trying. It depends on what keywords you are using as far as if you are going to end up broke or not if you don't know what you are doing. Listen, PPC is an option. It is a good option. I NEVER SAID YOU LEARN IT OVERNIGHT OR THE NEXT DAY EITHER. As a matter of fact, learning the whole IM business takes a lot of time. So don't go and try to make this something I didn't say or imply. I simply said it was a good option IF YOU LEARNED HOW TO DO IT RIGHT.

                  And by the way, a lot of "freshman" soldiers as you put it have been trained by going into battle with very little training. Do you think during wartime new soldiers learn all they need to in basic training? If you do you are very mistaken.
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              Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post


              OP, here are two advise from someone who does make a very comfortable living doing this whole IM thingy:
              • Stay away from PPC for the Make Money Online niche until you're truly a expert.
              • Stay away from the Make Money Online niche altogether until you actually make money online yourself.
              Now it's your call...
              Thanks - that needed saying. It sometimes gets like an echo chamber in here.
              Newbie 1) "How do I teach people how to make money online when I have no clue myself?"
              Newbie 2) "Click here for my new WSO on how to teach people how to make money online when you have no clue yourself"

              :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author AHartzell
    Well - because I'm interested in it. It's kind of a cycle: when I first started browsing the internet, it was to learn how to make money. Now the coin is flipped so to speak. Others are trying to learn how to make money and I've got a website that will show you how. Odd I know...

    Plus it's a hot topic - who wouldn't want to make money online from home?

    Anyway, I do have a few other websites that are mainly just blogs about my hobbies aside from this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    Ideally one should be building their list at least 30 days before launch . This can be done with PPC or PPV if the budget is there or with content marketing if the time is easier to come by than the cash .

    Yeah ... 3 people list swaps are a hard sale .

    Since you are already launched and opt in pages are a turn off to other affiliates , you may need a little warrior help.

    PM me your target url ( the one with the opt in) your target keywords and I will write an article for you and syndicate it to 500 or so sites . No Charge

    Don't guarantee it will give you a list in the thousands but .. it will be a start.

    Come on Warriors ... Help the dude out

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  • Profile picture of the author petelta
    You are wanting to build a list. You are going to need send traffic to a optimized squeeze page. In the thread so far, you've gotten some advice to do PPC. PPC is going to be the fastest way to generate traffic from the get go to your website, it's also the riskiest if you don't know what you are doing.

    If you are starting out, you need to just start putting content on the web. Article marketing, video marketing, podcast broadcasting, blog posts, interacting in forums, giving webinars, these are all methods that you can do right now to bring traffic to your site. If you want a very successful site, then I suggest you do all of these.

    Its simple. It just takes time. PPC is instant, but like I said risky.

    To increase your list, you are also going to have to have the best converting squeeze page. From taking a glance at your page, you need to do some small improvements. Turn the headline red, they always convert better. I would split test a few different headlines. The book cover is pretty plain. Spice it up a little.

    Stand out from the competition.

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  • Originally Posted by maverick80 View Post

    People in the IM niche don't build lists by using PPC. They do it with product launches, and JV's. Like in any other niche, you need to stand out, and you are not.

    If you really want to enter the IM niche, I'd suggest you build a list of at least 500+ subscribers, and build a relationship with them using a blog. Post articles on your blog that directly relate, and support your upcoming product. Then start emailing them about your product.

    To build your initial list you're going to need to do one (preferably all) of these 3 things:

    1. Run cheap/free WSO's and make people opt-in to get your free/cheap report.
    2. Offer 100% commission on your product and start trying to contact potential jv partners.
    3. Make a post in the jv forum about your 100% commission product to try to recruit more jv's/affiliates.

    Forget SEO, PPC for now. To win in the IM niche you need leverage. Leverage comes from your list. Everything gets easier when you have a responsive, decently sized email list.

    Anyone who says other wise is lying, trying to sell you something, or both.


    Now go build your list.

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  • Profile picture of the author infoshot
    Whew! Something that comes to mind also is to offer a very valuable item or service for FREE to get a sign-up to the "list" that then will later learn about the actual product. This can go out in free classifieds or where ever.
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  • Profile picture of the author AHartzell
    Ok - here's what's going on so far.

    I have an autoresponder. I have it all set up on the squeeze page. I'm giving subscribers a free eBook and they are automatically redirected to the sales page.

    I HAVE tried PPC in the past. I know how to keep my bank account from ending up -$10k and saying oops. I haven't dropped a whole lot of money on it because it's not a sure thing (or so it seems).

    I have gotten about 14 JV offers today and i'm considering a few. Mostly Ad swaps and solo ad mailouts. Hopefully I can send a solo ad to around 64k IM subscribers for $50
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  • Profile picture of the author AHartzell
    I know how to make money online. The question is not whether I know how or not. I didn't ask how you make money online - I asked about list building and traffic.

    That doesn't mean I don't know how to make money online. For example, I'm sure most people know how to drive a manual transmission and I'm also sure that a good number of the people who know how to drive one haven't ever done so. However, that doesn't mean they can't - they just haven't.
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