In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void

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In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void...

The start of Genesis but that's how I feel reading some products. They start with well known information like "What is the Internet" etc. Good coverage for the newbie, but a bit boring for the experienced. The problem ( for me ) is some have so much basic info that I wonder if later there are some gems I can use, but I'm not willing to wade through everything to dig them out.

I'm mixed on how I feel about much detailed background information. In one way it's good. If I were not up on the subject at all I would appreciate some background chapters. There is nothing worse than reading a "How to" when you don't even know the basics and they leave them out.

Thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulaC
    I just released an ebook recently but whilst writing it my biggest problem was figuring out how to make it appeal to both newbies and those who already know the basics.

    In the end I had to bite the bullet and make it appeal to those with at least some experience. If not, the ebook would have been three times as long and taken forever to write. As it is, it is still 75 pages.

    So I can understand the dilemma here. It's not easy to provide a product that covers all levels of experience. I guess you really need to know your market.
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    • Profile picture of the author dwinland
      How about creating multiple modular courses where you could plug in the basics when needed?

      For instance...you could create a generic beginner's course on web hosting, word press installation and setup, keyword research, etc. Market and sell (or give away for list building) to people just getting started.

      Then when creating your more advanced products, simple plug in the basic course when needed. If it's an e-book, you would either include the information or provide a link to the basic course. If it is a series of videos, go ahead and include the the basic course for free. It would give them a chance to either "bone up" on the basics or move on to the more advanced material.

      Just some thoughts.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
        LOL, I was expecting something like "In the beginning ARPA created the Internet. And the Internet was without WWW and void."
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        • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
          Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

          LOL, I was expecting something like "In the beginning ARPA created the Internet. And the Internet was without WWW and void."

          AL GORE CREATED THE INTERNET!


          (and this is how religious denominations begin)
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          • Profile picture of the author Rashell
            I recently heard someone mention they don't read the courses they buy. Instead they outsource the reading and have it condensed to a 1 page or so report.

            IMHO, What's really needed is the IM equivalent of Cliff's Notes for the experienced, the full course for the intermediate with quality references for the newbie.

            All get charged the same price.

            Rashell
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            • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
              Originally Posted by Rashell View Post

              I recently heard someone mention they don't read the courses they buy. Instead they outsource the reading and have it condensed to a 1 page or so report.

              IMHO, What's really needed is the IM equivalent of Cliff's Notes for the experienced, the full course for the intermediate with quality references for the newbie.

              All get charged the same price.

              Rashell

              Find customers who are willing to buy something.

              Sell stuff to them.

              Repeat.

              How much should I charge for that in PDF form?
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              • Profile picture of the author Rashell
                Find customers who are willing to buy something.

                Sell stuff to them.

                Repeat.
                that all depends on how good your sales copy is
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

          LOL, I was expecting something like "In the beginning ARPA created the Internet. And the Internet was without WWW and void."
          You mean "void *"
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    • Profile picture of the author 1960Texan
      Originally Posted by PaulaC View Post

      I just released an ebook recently but whilst writing it my biggest problem was figuring out how to make it appeal to both newbies and those who already know the basics.

      In the end I had to bite the bullet and make it appeal to those with at least some experience. If not, the ebook would have been three times as long and taken forever to write. As it is, it is still 75 pages.

      So I can understand the dilemma here. It's not easy to provide a product that covers all levels of experience. I guess you really need to know your market.
      I have Paula's Amazon affiliate ebook, and it's fantastic! It's exceedingly well-written; I've been an Amazon affiliate for about a year now, and although I pride myself on my research, I've learned several useful bits of info from Paula's book that I'm sure will help me to take my earnings to the next level.

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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
        I think one of the best things you can do, is to make the whole content list clickable with links to each specific piece of information in the PDF.

        You could also have sections sectioned off for beginner, intermediate, advanced and so on, this type of organation really makes things easy.
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    • Profile picture of the author warfore
      Originally Posted by PaulaC View Post

      I just released an ebook recently but whilst writing it my biggest problem was figuring out how to make it appeal to both newbies and those who already know the basics.

      In the end I had to bite the bullet and make it appeal to those with at least some experience. If not, the ebook would have been three times as long and taken forever to write. As it is, it is still 75 pages.

      So I can understand the dilemma here. It's not easy to provide a product that covers all levels of experience. I guess you really need to know your market.
      Are you running a WSO for your ebook?
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      Tony

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  • Profile picture of the author DrFresh
    Hmm... That's something I've kind of had to think about recently, I'm working on an IM niche product for the general public + affiliates and I didn't want to have to fully educate noobs on affiliate marketing before they could make money.. So I ended up making it a step by step.. systematic like way to set up a business without any research or anything like that... Glad i read this post.. Now i know it'll be a better read for affiliates too..
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I've seen a lot of "newbie" complaints that the information isn't detailed enough ...

    In many cases they seem to want not only a how-to on the method being shared but also a how-to on every single thing needed to utilize the method. Like first, turn on your computer ....

    This kind of thing, IMO would make most products pure junk. Wading through all that crap to get to the meat of the product would be a real put-off for me. I'd rather add an excerpt saying

    For more info: [newbie Google this] [newbie Google that]
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  • Profile picture of the author halfbakedrew
    well im new here, And i ask for the same thing on what to do and how to do it. what i see is you cant and wont get that from just one ebook, i jump right in to SEO so im still looking at somethings like what the @%$@, But if you know what you want to do on the net you can cut down what you need to know, one thing im looking at is google local. im doing some what ok at it but still want to know all about it. got some ebooks that tells some things but never what im looking for, so far what ive learn was by myself and trail and eror.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barbara Wilson
    I think you have to know, and choose, who you're targeting with a "How to" book. The newbie that needs info like "The internet is..." or the more advanced marketer that is trying to dig deeper into a method. Then - the sales copy needs to be honest about what the book covers/contains. If it's beginning with the beginning, don't hype that it's going to plunge the depths of the method - because I don't think you can do both in a single ebook or video. Not without it ending up being HUGE.

    Setting it up in modules would work; Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced, if you want to cover the full spectrum of possible buyers. Then you have a full course and not just an ebook. And let's the buyer choose what level they want to read at and doesn't overwhelme the newbie or the bore the more advanced marketer into a coma-like state.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
    That's what Appendices are for

    "If you want to know the basics of 'whacking a mole with a hammer on Facebook', see Appendix A."
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwhite
    Let's add this to the quote, eh?
    God is in the details. (Ludwig Mies van der Rohe)
    We choose what to skim and what to focus on
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      This is one of the biggest problems with creating info books without
      designating on the cover, beginner, intermediate, advanced.

      If you put in too much basic stuff, the intermediate and advanced users get
      bored out of their skin.

      If you don't put in any basic stuff, the beginner users get hopelessly lost.

      What I do, in my advanced books is simple. If I think there is something
      about the topic that needs basic info, I'll find it online (usually easy to do)
      and insert a link saying, "For more info, click here"

      You're NEVER going to please everybody. It's not possible. Create the
      best product YOU can create for the audience YOU'RE trying to reach
      and try to make that as clear as you can on the sales page.

      That's all you can do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
    Damned if you do... damned if you don't. If you put too much background info you're accused of adding filler or you're just "rehashing" information. If you leave it out you're not giving enough step-by-step direction.

    Outside of the IM niche the crowd isn't as fickle.

    I add a hyperlink to chapters covering the basics and I warn readers that if they know the basics to click on the link to go the advanced chapters.
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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    The answer is balance.

    You have to strike a balance or else you will either lose big bucks from "big" customers you ignored how they feel or small bucks from "small" customers you never considered what appeals to them.

    Either way you will lose so you have to strike a balance.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bjarne Eldhuset
      Wouldn't you get angry too if you saw this great sales page selling you access to 1 year of middle school, but after payment, you see that what you really signed up for was high school, and that you need to pay extra + work your ass off to get up to date before even beginning the class you paid for?

      A lot of this can be avoided if you clearly answer the question "who is this for" on your sales page, so that the customer knows what prerequisite knowledge/skills/software/hardware is needed to get full use of this product.

      If they need to know 3 pieces of information before they can utilize the 4th piece, your main product, wouldn't it be wise if you were the person who could provide them with these 3 pieces too?

      If your main product costs $37, you could make 3 modules for $_ and sell these too.

      This way, more experienced customers can buy the main product and be happy, while the less experienced customers can buy main product + 3 prerequisite modules and be happy too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    Wait till you get to Ecclesiastes - it's a great read!

    "For everything there is a season and a time for every purpose under heaven"

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  • Profile picture of the author Sonomacats
    I agree with those who suggested modules.

    When creating products, it's easy to create modules that cover just one specific area so that people who are new to it will learn it completely and people who already know that stuff can bypass it for whatever meets their needs. (i.e., a book just on FTP, a book just on setting up Wordpress, a book just on ...)

    The nice thing about this approach is that then you have a wide range of products you can offer. Instead of a $97 eBook with everything that a lot of people won't buy because the price tag is a bit high (esp. when you look at the non-IM market), you can sell a whole ton of smaller reports at $9.95 (or whatever) that are specific and few people will blink at the price tag for it. And if they see something else they need while they're purchasing the one, they're more likely to purchase that 2nd book.

    I, too, have PaulaC's ebook and appreciated that she made it clear in her sales page that was not for newbies. So I got right into the info I really wanted and didn't have to skip past tons of stuff. (By the way, this really is fantastic and worth getting if you're at all interested in doing the Amazon thing -- even if it isn't a WSO.)
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