[Rant] I just bought 10 WSOs...Here's why I didn't buy more

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I just built a new lead generation system for a market I hadn't been in before and needed some content to give away and sell to the leads. So naturally I went to the WSO forum, did a search for some key words, and started buying PLR rights. That is how I would use the WSO forum btw. Decide what you want, do a search, and buy as opposed to getting sold on a bunch of stuff you don't need. That's just my opinion though.

Anyway after blasting through dozens of WSO offers with the intent to buy everything I could find, let me tell you why I didn't buy certain offers.

1. Didn't have a clear offer.

The product they were selling was clearly in my niche, but I had no idea what I was getting. There were a bunch of testimonials and some sales pitch, but no clear "This is what you get." For those of us who scan right to the product list and price, having to search for the product list or price is aggravating. (it's usually somewhere on the bottom) However, if it's not there at all forget it.

2. Didn't have clear rights.

It's been a good year and a half since I was on the WF seriously, but a lot seems to have changed. There's all these new rights involved with buying a product. Like using a PLR product for articles or an ezine course but not being able to "give it away." Isn't that giving it away? Regardless the list of yes you can or no you can't, no matter how confusing, is always better than NOTHING. Tell me what I can do with your product or forget it. I'm so not interested in getting into a confrontation later because you didn't want me to give your product away for free.

3. Didn't sell through paypal

This is a personal one, but buying on paypal requires like a password and three clicks or something. It's so simple I barely have to think about it. On the other hand when I got to an order page I have to waste my time filling out, I better really want that product. FYI paypal will send you all the information except the credit card info in the IPN. You can get a program that will store all this info for you.

4. Lousy graphics

I haven't bought graphics in a WSO lately, but last time I checked you could get website graphics for between $60-$100. If you send me to a sales page with graphics that look like a third grader made them, you better believe I'm moving on. Especially if those are the graphics you're trying to sell me.

5. Wasn't exactly what I wanted

This one you'll have to decide for yourself. I bought a couple of wso's because I wanted one of the things they were offering. The rest of it may have been completely irrelevant, but the one thing was worth it. There were other products that were close to what I wanted, but were so nichey they weren't exactly what I was looking for. On the one hand you could sell a bunch of products for a low price point individually and on the other hand you can sell all the products together which will appeal to more people but will be a little more expensive. I'm not sure which will get you more customers overall.

Special Bonus - People I will never buy from again

Don't make me subscribe to your mailing list to get the product I ALREADY PAID FOR. I have a junk email account especially for you and I'll make sure never to buy a product from you again. It's especially aggravating when it takes 30 min for the confirmation email to show up and I have to keep checking the junk email box wondering if you ripped me off. Once again, Paypal will send you the email address so you can it to your list without wasting my time. People who do this get me real email address because that is the one attached to me email account. If they send me a bunch of spammy emails I'll still unsubscribe, but I don't unsubscribe very often.

However, this is still better than not having an automatic download setup. I bought one person's WSO with the intention of getting their other three, but then I found out the download wasn't automatic. They send it to you by email manually. That cost them 3 sales.

Special Bonus 2 - Something you should absolutely do

If you don't have a back end offer on your WSO, you're out of your freaking mind. There is no way you're going to make a living selling $7 WSO's. I know some people have done it, but some people have won the lottery too and I would recommend that as a money making strategy either. I bought 10 WSOs and only 1 or 2 had a follow up offer.

OK so that's my rant. It's not every day that you're customers will sit down and tell you exactly how to sell to them, so I hope you pay attention.
#bought #buy #rant #wso #wsoshere
  • Probably should have reread that before I posted it. I apologize for the typos and missing words.
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  • Profile picture of the author bfas
    Great points, well presented!

    Your post is a virtual 'reverse' checklist in how to do a WSO - minus the actual product. Better still, it's entirely applicable to general selling.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    I hate having to sign up to something to get my product as well

    You made some excellent points BTW

    Originally Posted by TheUnidentifiedMarketer View Post

    I just built a new lead generation system for a market I hadn't been in before and needed some content to give away and sell to the leads. So naturally I went to the WSO forum, did a search for some key words, and started buying PLR rights. That is how I would use the WSO forum btw. Decide what you want, do a search, and buy as opposed to getting sold on a bunch of stuff you don't need. That's just my opinion though.

    Anyway after blasting through dozens of WSO offers with the intent to buy everything I could find, let me tell you why I didn't buy certain offers.

    1. Didn't have a clear offer.

    The product they were selling was clearly in my niche, but I had no idea what I was getting. There were a bunch of testimonials and some sales pitch, but no clear "This is what you get." For those of us who scan right to the product list and price, having to search for the product list or price is aggravating. (it's usually somewhere on the bottom) However, if it's not there at all forget it.

    2. Didn't have clear rights.

    It's been a good year and a half since I was on the WF seriously, but a lot seems to have changed. There's all these new rights involved with buying a product. Like using a PLR product for articles or an ezine course but not being able to "give it away." Isn't that giving it away? Regardless the list of yes you can or no you can't, no matter how confusing, is always better than NOTHING. Tell me what I can do with your product or forget it. I'm so not interested in getting into a confrontation later because you didn't want me to give your product away for free.

    3. Didn't sell through paypal

    This is a personal one, but buying on paypal requires like a password and three clicks or something. It's so simple I barely have to think about it. On the other hand when I got to an order page I have to waste my time filling out, I better really want that product. FYI paypal will send you all the information except the credit card info in the IPN. You can get a program that will store all this info for you.

    4. Lousy graphics

    I haven't bought graphics in a WSO lately, but last time I checked you could get website graphics for between $60-$100. If you send me to a sales page with graphics that look like a third grader made them, you better believe I'm moving on. Especially if those are the graphics you're trying to sell me.

    5. Wasn't exactly what I wanted

    This one you'll have to decide for yourself. I bought a couple of wso's because I wanted one of the things they were offering. The rest of it may have been completely irrelevant, but the one thing was worth it. There were other products that were close to what I wanted, but were so nichey they weren't exactly what I was looking for. On the one hand you could sell a bunch of products for a low price point individually and on the other hand you can sell all the products together which will appeal to more people but will be a little more expensive. I'm not sure which will get you more customers overall.

    Special Bonus - People I will never buy from again

    Don't make me subscribe to your mailing list to get the product I ALREADY PAID FOR. I have a junk email account especially for you and I'll make sure never to buy a product from you again. It's especially aggravating when it takes 30 min for the confirmation email to show up and I have to keep checking the junk email box wondering if you ripped me off. Once again, Paypal will send you the email address so you can it to your list without wasting my time. People who do this get me real email address because that is the one attached to me email account. If they send me a bunch of spammy emails I'll still unsubscribe, but I don't unsubscribe very often.

    However, this is still better than not having an automatic download setup. I bought one person's WSO with the intention of getting their other three, but then I found out the download wasn't automatic. They send it to you by email manually. That cost them 3 sales.

    Special Bonus 2 - Something you should absolutely do

    If you don't have a back end offer on your WSO, you're out of your freaking mind. There is no way you're going to make a living selling $7 WSO's. I know some people have done it, but some people have won the lottery too and I would recommend that as a money making strategy either. I bought 10 WSOs and only 1 or 2 had a follow up offer.

    OK so that's my rant. It's not every day that you're customers will sit down and tell you exactly how to sell to them, so I hope you pay attention.
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    • Profile picture of the author reapr
      Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

      I hate having to sign up to something to get my product as well
      Next time I have to do that I will bypass it and ask for an immediate refund.

      It one thing to buy a stand alone product but another to pay to be put on a list thinking did I get the whole package!
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    EXCELLENT IDEAS!....I'd have to pretty much agree with all of them. Definitely agree about the Paypal thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarafina
    NO. 1 is my BIGGEST pet peeve with wso.

    Some of these are so busy filling you with headlines and promise, they never actually mention WHAT is being offered. I immediately pass.

    A confused mind says no so if you can't clearly convey to me what it is that you're offering then I am not interested.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoNumber9
    "special bonus" is what i wanted to say as well

    just hate to see those stupid promotional email in my inbox
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  • Profile picture of the author RGallowitz
    Now that is a damn good list and all WSO owners should read the OP's post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    Thanks for that,

    Now I am a 100% sure that my WSO and salescopy are awesome
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    • Profile picture of the author Amanda Craven
      Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

      Thanks for that,

      Now I am a 100% sure that my WSO and salescopy are awesome
      I admire your confidence but I like to live and learn so I'm giving mine a thorough once over and applying the points above if I find anything I can improve.

      Thanks - great post and a good reminder that clarity = cash.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
        Originally Posted by Amanda Craven View Post

        I admire your confidence but I like to live and learn so I'm giving mine a thorough once over and applying the points above if I find anything I can improve.

        Thanks - great post and a good reminder that clarity = cash.
        I did that too

        Just forgot to mention that in the post
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      I'm with you all the way.

      The contract of sale is formed when I pay. If you require me to opt in, as a condition of delivering the product, then tell me that before I pay and let me decide whether I want to buy on that basis; don't try to impose another contractual term on me after I pay! Not unless you want a refund request. (I've never actually requested a refund for a WSO but that's how I feel about this trick - it's inexcusable and I'll probably never buy from you again, because I don't trust you any more).
      In other words, basically, you're just looking for an excuse to bail.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I'm with you all the way.

        The contract of sale is formed when I pay. If you require me to opt in, as a condition of delivering the product, then tell me that before I pay and let me decide whether I want to buy on that basis; don't try to impose another contractual term on me after I pay! Not unless you want a refund request. (I've never actually requested a refund for a WSO but that's how I feel about this trick - it's inexcusable and I'll probably never buy from you again, because I don't trust you any more).
        Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

        In other words, basically, you're just looking for an excuse to bail.
        BHC, I'd say that's a BIG REACH to come to that conclusion based on Alexa's comments. You don't have to agree with it. If your tests show that making customers opt-in before getting what they paid for is more profitable than not, go for it. But don't twist someone else's comment into it into something it's not.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
        In what way does not wanting to be blackmailed into joining your autoresponder to get the products just bought from you an excuse to bail.
        Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

        In other words, basically, you're just looking for an excuse to bail.
        It pisses people off (It certainly pisses me off), and if it pisses off my customers then I don't want to do it. I tred it once and my help desk was flooded with complaints and refunds. (I reverted back to my usual method after 24 hours).

        As has been suggested, place an opt in on your download page with a good bonus, that gives them the option and everyone is happy.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    Originally Posted by TheUnidentifiedMarketer View Post

    I just built a new lead generation system for a market I hadn't been in before and needed some content to give away and sell to the leads. So naturally I went to the WSO forum, did a search for some key words, and started buying PLR rights. That is how I would use the WSO forum btw. Decide what you want, do a search, and buy as opposed to getting sold on a bunch of stuff you don't need. That's just my opinion though.

    Anyway after blasting through dozens of WSO offers with the intent to buy everything I could find, let me tell you why I didn't buy certain offers.

    <snip>

    2. Didn't have clear rights.

    It's been a good year and a half since I was on the WF seriously, but a lot seems to have changed. There's all these new rights involved with buying a product. Like using a PLR product for articles or an ezine course but not being able to "give it away." Isn't that giving it away? Regardless the list of yes you can or no you can't, no matter how confusing, is always better than NOTHING. Tell me what I can do with your product or forget it. I'm so not interested in getting into a confrontation later because you didn't want me to give your product away for free.
    I buy a fair amount of PLR and not having the rights spelled out clearly is by far my biggest pet peeve.
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  • Profile picture of the author hazel0513
    Originally Posted by TheUnidentifiedMarketer View Post

    Don't make me subscribe to your mailing list to get the product I ALREADY PAID FOR.
    Thanks for sharing your good points.

    I thought that is a common way to build your buyer list?

    I mean, I will get frustrated too if I am going to opt-in one more time in order to see my download page. But based on what I know this is how do marketers build their buyer list?

    If it doesn't cause our customers to be happy what should we do? :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
    A bit condescending but good points.

    Originally Posted by TheUnidentifiedMarketer View Post

    If you don't have a back end offer on your WSO, you're out of your freaking mind. There is no way you're going to make a living selling $7 WSO's. I know some people have done it, but some people have won the lottery too and I would recommend that as a money making strategy either. I bought 10 WSOs and only 1 or 2 had a follow up offer.

    OK so that's my rant. It's not every day that you're customers will sit down and tell you exactly how to sell to them, so I hope you pay attention.
    IMO, no one should be trying to make a living selling only WSO's anyway.

    Your assumption that people are out of their "freaking mind" is a bit harsh. My WSO's is to try things out, see if there is interest, or just simply offer Warrior's a deal.

    Most people don't try to make a living off of WSO's so that's why you might see folks without a back-end.
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  • Profile picture of the author mowens17
    Interesting, something Ill have to give some thought to.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
    I believe it is also against TOS for many payment processors. Can't remember exactly but I believe Paypal doesn't like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author CarloD.
    Ya I'm not follow the whole don't make me opt in..... what if it's a tool/software.... and the list is to send out update info and more info on changes to the product....bugs... and so on...
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Originally Posted by CarloD. View Post

      Ya I'm not follow the whole don't make me opt in..... what if it's a tool/software.... and the list is to send out update info and more info on changes to the product....bugs... and so on...
      This.

      It's easy to rant about stuff (I'm guilty of this myself), BUT... it's not as easy as just saying "don't do it".

      How about product updates? New versions (that are free to previous buyers)?

      I know some of you have launched products before. How do you go about sending out an update if you aren't collecting any emails?

      Okay so you could say if it's a piece of software - get their email. Otherwise - leave them alone. But how about this scenario:

      I launch an info product (eBook/guide download). Four days and 500 comments later I realize that I have forgotten to include something *really* important. So I update my product and send it out to all of my previous buyers... Oh wait, I don't have their emails.

      OR this one:

      I sell an eBook v1. All goes well. Six months later I launch eBook v1.5 and want to offer it for free to all my previous buyers. Oh wait... lol. Then, not more than a few hours after I launch eBook v1.5, my inbox gets flooded by previous buyers complaining/requesting the updated version to be email to them for free.

      I would like to know how the "pro" marketers go about this.

      Most of you have done TONS of eBook launches through the WSO section here (you claim it's not a real launch, but the sales page is only there to conform with the WSO rules).

      All of those who have so happily agreed with the OP, do you never collect your customer emails? If so, how on earth do you deal with the two problems I mentioned earlier?

      I understand that Kim has a help desk system dedicated to her customers. That's all good, but can be a huge hassle for some people doing small launches.

      Not every marketer is a scumbag. Not all of them are planning to bombard you with pointless emails.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
        You add a sign up on the download page and tell folks if they want the updates etc they have to join up. (Their problem then if they don't). I've used this method very successfully

        BTW no one is saying folks are scumbags, they are pointing out that they don't like to be blackmailed into giving their email address so they can download the product they bought.

        Also I'm not the only person to have a helpdesk, they are the norm now rather than not.

        You can get a very good one here for free (Hesk). It was recomended to me and I like it a lot

        Kim

        Originally Posted by bay37 View Post


        I launch an info product (eBook/guide download). Four days and 500 comments later I realize that I have forgotten to include something *really* important. So I update my product and send it out to all of my previous buyers... Oh wait, I don't have their emails.

        OR this one:

        I sell an eBook v1. All goes well. Six months later I launch eBook v1.5 and want to offer it for free to all my previous buyers. Oh wait... lol. Then, not more than a few hours after I launch eBook v1.5, my inbox gets flooded by previous buyers complaining/requesting the updated version to be email to them for free.

        Not every marketer is a scumbag. Not all of them are planning to bombard you with pointless emails.

        I understand that Kim has a help desk system dedicated to her customers. That's all good, but can be a huge hassle for some people doing small launches.


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        • Profile picture of the author bay37
          Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

          You add a sign up on the download page and tell folks if they want the updates etc they have to join up. (Their problem then if they don't). I've used this method very successfully
          Thanks, I'll give this approach a try.
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          • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
            Good list! I'd also like to have sellers actually USE their products first - and more than once, to make sure they work. IE. instead of selling a report about how you made $1,000 in a week once, repeat it a few times -- with the solid step-by-step info you write out in your to-the-point (no fluff / no hype) report.

            What I often find is steps that are missing, and these can cost - -in time, money and heartache. So write out the steps, yes - -but STOP. Don't post this as a WSO, work the steps yourself again - -and again, asking someone else to, even. Test and then revise your steps, adding anything you left out, no matter if it looks minor to you (sometimes it's those little triggers that can trip up your project).

            OK, anyway, thanks again. Good thread here!
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  • Profile picture of the author Thirty3Down
    Originally Posted by TheUnidentifiedMarketer View Post

    I just built a new lead generation system for a market I hadn't been in before and needed some content to give away and sell to the leads. So naturally I went to the WSO forum, did a search for some key words, and started buying PLR rights. That is how I would use the WSO forum btw. Decide what you want, do a search, and buy as opposed to getting sold on a bunch of stuff you don't need. That's just my opinion though.

    Anyway after blasting through dozens of WSO offers with the intent to buy everything I could find, let me tell you why I didn't buy certain offers.

    1. Didn't have a clear offer.

    The product they were selling was clearly in my niche, but I had no idea what I was getting. There were a bunch of testimonials and some sales pitch, but no clear "This is what you get." For those of us who scan right to the product list and price, having to search for the product list or price is aggravating. (it's usually somewhere on the bottom) However, if it's not there at all forget it.

    2. Didn't have clear rights.

    It's been a good year and a half since I was on the WF seriously, but a lot seems to have changed. There's all these new rights involved with buying a product. Like using a PLR product for articles or an ezine course but not being able to "give it away." Isn't that giving it away? Regardless the list of yes you can or no you can't, no matter how confusing, is always better than NOTHING. Tell me what I can do with your product or forget it. I'm so not interested in getting into a confrontation later because you didn't want me to give your product away for free.

    3. Didn't sell through paypal

    This is a personal one, but buying on paypal requires like a password and three clicks or something. It's so simple I barely have to think about it. On the other hand when I got to an order page I have to waste my time filling out, I better really want that product. FYI paypal will send you all the information except the credit card info in the IPN. You can get a program that will store all this info for you.

    4. Lousy graphics

    I haven't bought graphics in a WSO lately, but last time I checked you could get website graphics for between $60-$100. If you send me to a sales page with graphics that look like a third grader made them, you better believe I'm moving on. Especially if those are the graphics you're trying to sell me.

    5. Wasn't exactly what I wanted

    This one you'll have to decide for yourself. I bought a couple of wso's because I wanted one of the things they were offering. The rest of it may have been completely irrelevant, but the one thing was worth it. There were other products that were close to what I wanted, but were so nichey they weren't exactly what I was looking for. On the one hand you could sell a bunch of products for a low price point individually and on the other hand you can sell all the products together which will appeal to more people but will be a little more expensive. I'm not sure which will get you more customers overall.

    Special Bonus - People I will never buy from again

    Don't make me subscribe to your mailing list to get the product I ALREADY PAID FOR. I have a junk email account especially for you and I'll make sure never to buy a product from you again. It's especially aggravating when it takes 30 min for the confirmation email to show up and I have to keep checking the junk email box wondering if you ripped me off. Once again, Paypal will send you the email address so you can it to your list without wasting my time. People who do this get me real email address because that is the one attached to me email account. If they send me a bunch of spammy emails I'll still unsubscribe, but I don't unsubscribe very often.

    However, this is still better than not having an automatic download setup. I bought one person's WSO with the intention of getting their other three, but then I found out the download wasn't automatic. They send it to you by email manually. That cost them 3 sales.

    Special Bonus 2 - Something you should absolutely do

    If you don't have a back end offer on your WSO, you're out of your freaking mind. There is no way you're going to make a living selling $7 WSO's. I know some people have done it, but some people have won the lottery too and I would recommend that as a money making strategy either. I bought 10 WSOs and only 1 or 2 had a follow up offer.

    OK so that's my rant. It's not every day that you're customers will sit down and tell you exactly how to sell to them, so I hope you pay attention.

    Good stuff....
    For people that are just getting the hang of this forum... (like me)... This is great info. Just because you understand marketing...doesn't mean you understand how the WSO's work...or need to work

    Thanks again
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  • Profile picture of the author iPowered
    That was a good post. We'll have to use that as a guide for offering WSO's in the future. Thanks for taking the time to "rant." ;-)

    Maverick80...your post made me laugh. Damn good point!
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  • Profile picture of the author dave147
    An excellent post on WSOs...should be read a few times, I'm sure many of us are in there somewhere
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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    Originally Posted by maverick80 View Post

    Stop buying things and start selling things.
    Did you even read the OP? Maybe reread the first sentence.
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    • I appreciate all the responses. Other people have replied to most of the negative comments, but there are a couple of issues that need some clarification.

      First, I never said don't collect people's email addresses. In fact you should absolutely being collecting the contact information of everyone that buys from you. All I said was don't make me opt in to get the product I already paid for. What I said specifically was

      Originally Posted by TheUnidentifiedMarketer View Post

      Paypal will send you the email address so you can add it to your list without wasting my time.
      Most product sales software is built to do this for you if they let you sell through Paypal. Here's another way to think about it. You're adding an unnecessary step to the sales process. If you have a program that automatically adds the customers email to your list, then instead of a page asking it you could have a page with a backend offer or recommending an affiliate program. You make more money and your customers don't get irritated.

      Which brings me to Alan Peterson's point. He's absolutely right sort of. You shouldn't be trying to make a living selling WSOs in the first place, but people still try. That was actually half the point I was trying to make.

      However, I would still say you should always have a backend. Even if you don't have you're own backend product promote an affiliate site or something. I could go into a whole other post about backend strategies, but that's for another time. For now, my point is just that it is never a good idea not to have a backend offer.

      Even if your just testing something out, testing conversions from front end product to backend is part of the process. Maybe your initial offer converts like crap but makes you a lot of money in the backend. Now you know to keep working on your initial offer or give it away for free just so you can get the backend money. If you don't have the backend, you'd just drop a perfectly good money making product.

      If someone can "prove" me wrong then by all means do so.

      Hope that clarifies somethings for people.
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  • Profile picture of the author bertuseng
    Thanks for the great post. I am really finding it useful and will remember this next time I launch a WSO.

    SOme advice: To overcome the "I dont know what I am getting" problem I like to put up a camtasia video where I go through the archive showing the potential customers exactly what they are getting. This seemed to be useful.

    As for the forced opt in... There are a lot of debate around these. Personally I tend to use an opt-in page. Biggest reason? If I change the download page, how would my buyers know of this? I would basically be robbing them. Also, it is not too much trouble to one-click unsubscribe and I believe if you provide true value for money, this shouldn't be too much of a problem. Could be just selfish old me, though.

    Thanks again for the enlightening post.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
      Lol we end up having a huge debate on the forum over forced opt in on a regular basis

      You'll never convince me (and remember I've tried it) that its the best way to go though I know many others will disagree

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      Originally Posted by bertuseng View Post

      Thanks for the great post. I am really finding it useful and will remember this next time I launch a WSO.

      SOme advice: To overcome the "I dont know what I am getting" problem I like to put up a camtasia video where I go through the archive showing the potential customers exactly what they are getting. This seemed to be useful.

      As for the forced opt in... There are a lot of debate around these. Personally I tend to use an opt-in page. Biggest reason? If I change the download page, how would my buyers know of this? I would basically be robbing them. Also, it is not too much trouble to one-click unsubscribe and I believe if you provide true value for money, this shouldn't be too much of a problem. Could be just selfish old me, though.

      Thanks again for the enlightening post.
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  • Profile picture of the author ConnorMcCreesh
    Wow this is good, this is exactly the type of list i have tried to avoid for my latest WSO, especially not telling what the product is about.

    You notice all the best products tell you exactly what they do, and that leaves less people unhappy with what they recieve, so less refunds etc.

    Also the graphics, being an internet marketer you know that graphics should not effect your judgement of the product, but then again if someone cannot splash out on good graphics then their product cannot be making that much can it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    Agreed - you absolutely don't need to place an opt in before a product download.

    And if you do, to be honest it's pretty much rude and is a good way to sabotage your relationship with your customers.

    Now if you put an opt in on your product delivery page, under the download link, you'll have a great success rate if your product is something people really like.

    I've had offers where around 95% of customers opted in completely voluntarily after receiving their download link.

    It's all about offering something quality that people want more of.

    Trying to force a relationship won't work - just ask Pepe LePue.

    It's got to be authentic if you want quality relationships and people on your list that actually want to hear from you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayhew
    Originally Posted by TheUnidentifiedMarketer View Post

    Special Bonus - People I will never buy from again

    Don't make me subscribe to your mailing list to get the product I ALREADY PAID FOR. I have a junk email account especially for you and I'll make sure never to buy a product from you again. It's especially aggravating when it takes 30 min for the confirmation email to show up and I have to keep checking the junk email box wondering if you ripped me off. Once again, Paypal will send you the email address so you can it to your list without wasting my time. People who do this get me real email address because that is the one attached to me email account. If they send me a bunch of spammy emails I'll still unsubscribe, but I don't unsubscribe very often.
    LOL Well said!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Sandercock
    Rock-on dude... Great post, fine reminders of what makes a proper WSO.
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  • Profile picture of the author shabit87
    Special Bonus 2

    I think it was very noble of you to actually encourage the back end product. I think for a lot of us, we fear using one will someone discourage our buyers to not want to buy the main product because we had the nerve to ask them to buy MORE or better valued information. But as I've learned, that's not the case.

    Great thread and thanks for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Metro1
    I agree shabit87..

    Thank you TheUnidentifiedMarketer
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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    Those tips (coming from a potential customer) really help

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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
    I give my buyers an option to opt in.. Nothing forced!

    I get extremely irritated when I get sent to about 5-6 different funnel offers then finding out I had a link already sent to me. I think a lot of you will agree when I say that I get turned off. It just means they are trying to make more money off you.

    Thats what were all in it for, BUT, how is offering me bigger, better, easier product suppose TO MAKE ME FEEL!!!!

    I just sent the d*mn money buying something, then I feel like I got ripped off!
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  • Profile picture of the author jacktackett
    I agree with the OP and others here - forced optin just to get a product I've already paid for is a PITA.

    Since I've obviously initiated a business relationship with you you're not violating canspam by putting me on your list - but you risk pissing me off! Now, as others have said - if you're offering updates etc then its only in my best interest to sign up. And as others have said - I have special email addresses I use - so I can track what folks do with my email. Give away my address and you really piss me off.

    Also as the op suggested - Please use immediate downloading - there are enough scripts out there that support this and other services such as ejunkie and Mike Lance's offering. No sense saying - I'll email it to you - unless its a personalized offer (sales copy, custom graphics, etc) which in that case - start communicating with me immediately - otherwise I might start to think you've either over booked yourself or are just an outright scammer.

    Finally - DO NOT LIE or try to MISDIRECT me in your sales letter. Look, e-whoring is NOT WHITE or GRAY HAT. Its blue fart and I try not use such methods in my marketing. I don't want to waste my money on such things. If you tell me you're 100% white hat and several of your items are black hat - I'm going to refund and get my money back.

    Just tell us what you're offering.

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