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How much can I potentially make in a month if I have a list of 20k subscribers in IM niche?

by ycsim4016
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Dear warriors,

Please forgive me if my question sound silly... I'm new in Internet marketing and I started off with article marketing to build my list, cuz everyone is saying "the money is in your list".

My target is to build a list of 20k in the next 12 months, it's a tough challenge I know, especially for a newbie. But before I really put in all my effort into building that list, I wonder how much per month I can possibly monetize from my list by promoting clickbank top products in IM.

I appreciate if you can share roughly how much I can make when I reach 20k of subscribers in IM niche. Of course I will be using autoresponder & keep constant contact with them.

Hope those who already have a list of 20k subscribers can enlighten me.

Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Leslie B
    A list of 20k subscribers can either make you a lot of money, or it can make you nothing at all. The size of your list isn't what matters, what matters is how they came to your list and if they are a buying group. Freebie seekers aren't known to be great buyers, but if you sold a product and created a list with the buyers from that list, your success rate will be higher, at least if the quality is there.

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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
      Originally Posted by Leslie B View Post

      A list of 20k subscribers can either make you a lot of money, or it can make you nothing at all. The size of your list isn't what matters, what matters is how they came to your list and if they are a buying group. Freebie seekers aren't known to be great buyers, but if you sold a product and created a list with the buyers from that list, your success rate will be higher, at least if the quality is there.

      Leslie

      If they are after freebies then give them what they want.

      Just use CPA offers for example Victoria Secret gift cards, you just get paid by those running the offers as opposed to the subscriber themselves.
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      • Profile picture of the author regska
        Let's assume that you have 20k targeted, double opted-in, responsive and well-built relationship subscribers. Then you promote a quality $67 Clickbank product with 50% commissions. Let's say that your CTR is 30%, assuming again that those are responsive subscribers, so you'll have 6,000 people clicking your affiliate link, then your conversion is at a conservative of 5%, so you'll have 300 people buying the product.

        300 x $33.50 = $10,050

        Again, the numbers are just example, you could have a higher or lower stats. In that case, you have like $0.50 per subscriber.
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        • Profile picture of the author ycsim4016
          Originally Posted by regska View Post

          Let's assume that you have 20k targeted, double opted-in, responsive and well-built relationship subscribers. Then you promote a quality $67 Clickbank product with 50% commissions. Let's say that your CTR is 30%, assuming again that those are responsive subscribers, so you'll have 6,000 people clicking your affiliate link, then your conversion is at a conservative of 5%, so you'll have 300 people buying the product.

          300 x $33.50 = $10,050

          Again, the numbers are just example, you could have a higher or lower stats. In that case, you have like $0.50 per subscriber.

          Wow... thanks for your input dude..... this is cool!
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          • Profile picture of the author regska
            Originally Posted by ycsim4016 View Post

            Wow... thanks for your input dude..... this is cool!
            You're indeed welcome. Having a $1/month type subscribers are gold! They are red-hot buyers. But as you can see, I gave you an example of $0.50 per subscriber, it's still not bad to earn $10k. That's the power of having thousands of responsive subscribers.
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            • Profile picture of the author ycsim4016
              Originally Posted by regska View Post

              You're indeed welcome. Having a $1/month type subscribers are gold! They are red-hot buyers. But as you can see, I gave you an example of $0.50 per subscriber, it's still not bad to earn $10k. That's the power of having thousands of responsive subscribers.

              I think $0.50 per subscriber is more realistic, I mean based on your logical analysis. I'm just started to build my list & so far with only around 100 subscribers. Can't really judge how much potential I have yet....
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    • Profile picture of the author ycsim4016
      Originally Posted by Leslie B View Post

      A list of 20k subscribers can either make you a lot of money, or it can make you nothing at all. The size of your list isn't what matters, what matters is how they came to your list and if they are a buying group. Freebie seekers aren't known to be great buyers, but if you sold a product and created a list with the buyers from that list, your success rate will be higher, at least if the quality is there.

      Leslie

      I'm building a list with a squeeze page that offering a free information ebook. I drive traffic to my site my submitting the relevant articles to article directories. Then in my autoresponder will keep sharing good tips & tricks about the topic, & then product's review to monetize. At least this is my plan, not sure if you have any better advices.
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    • Profile picture of the author ycsim4016
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      I don't think it sounds silly at all.

      I have no lists anything like that size, but I'm aware from general conversations here and elsewhere that a targeted, reasonably responsive, double-opted-in, sensitively handled list in this market is quite often said typically to be worth a little over $1 per person per month, averaged out over the year.

      Thanks for your input, $1 per person per month is a lot to me, if I have 20k of list size, that's a whopping $20k per month.... anyone with this size of list can share your opinion? Many thanks in advanced.
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  • Profile picture of the author rchudej1
    Everyone result will be different!

    You might make a lot of money when you mail. But you may also get a lot of refund, too.

    Instead of asking someone else, why don't you send emails to your list try to promote something. It will sure give you the right info on what to expect!

    Start now. There is always a launch going on almost everyday!

    Go to JVNotifypro.com and sign up to get notify of launches (I believe this is the correct site)

    One caution though, don't just promote any launch. I unsubscribe from many "gurus" when I saw that they promote just about everything!

    Promote the one that you believe in. You maybe able to get the copy to review it before you promote. Just email those self-proclaimed "GURUS" and tell them that you've 20,000 responsive list in IM niche. They will sure to give you a Platinum service!

    Best of Luck,
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  • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
    My personal feeling is; an IM list for a newbie is dangerous, Firstly IMers know all about list and how to get a free product and send further emails to spam folder or dormant email addresses.

    Okay now I have thought deeper IMers also constantly spend money online whilst others don't necessarily ... so maybe because I am scared of dangerous lists you will make the big money and I will be making another silly comment on WF.

    Great goal please forget the first paragraph
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    • Profile picture of the author ycsim4016
      Originally Posted by nashelver View Post

      My personal feeling is; an IM list for a newbie is dangerous, Firstly IMers know all about list and how to get a free product and send further emails to spam folder or dormant email addresses.

      Okay now I have thought deeper IMers also constantly spend money online whilst others don't necessarily ... so maybe because I am scared of dangerous lists you will make the big money and I will be making another silly comment on WF.

      Great goal please forget the first paragraph

      I think I agreed, why should they listen to me when I'm nobody... any other niche that I can consider?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
        No...you were becoming my hero for having a goal and a vision if you already have 100 subscribers I think go for your 20 000.00 only 19 900 more to go that's a lot less. By building a list you are already years ahead of many including me (Thats not anything special Though)

        If your articles are good enough and you Just give value don't sell anything while you learn and build your list you can do well.

        Then go out and make JV's with bigger names etc If you have 20 000 people on an IM list all legitimately captured you will have a bit of respect so I think you have a great goal.



        Originally Posted by ycsim4016 View Post

        I think I agreed, why should they listen to me when I'm nobody... any other niche that I can consider?
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      • Profile picture of the author drmani
        Let's assume that you have 20k targeted, double opted-in, responsive and well-built relationship subscribers. Then you promote a quality $67 Clickbank product with 50% commissions. Let's say that your CTR is 30%, assuming again that those are responsive subscribers, so you'll have 6,000 people clicking your affiliate link, then your conversion is at a conservative of 5%, so you'll have 300 people buying the product.

        300 x $33.50 = $10,050

        Again, the numbers are just example, you could have a higher or lower stats. In that case, you have like $0.50 per subscriber.

        OR...

        Let's assume what is more likely!

        10% of your list will typically click on any link you
        send them.

        A (very) good sales process will convert 2% to 3% into
        buyers.

        So, with a 20,000 list, you'll get 2,000 clicks, and 40
        to 60 sales, which equates to 40-60 x $30 = $1,200 to $1,800

        Which is NOT shabby at all.

        Except it's hard to expect the same results month after
        month in all niche markets.

        There are ways around it... like

        * constantly growing your list, to find new buyers
        * offering continuity programs, which keep paying you
        * selling higher ticket items, with bigger payouts

        ... all the while adding VALUE to your list.

        This is why a more important metric to measure is your
        average subscriber LIFETIME VALUE... and that's key!

        If you do that, and set yourself some specific goals
        and targets, you'll often discover that you DO NOT
        need a 20k list - or even a 5k list - to live your
        dreams!

        I'll share a short report called 'LIST METRICS' which
        is one of the training documents in my mentoring
        program, and which gets deeper into this process.
        You can download it here (direct link to PDF, no
        opt-in needed!)

        Hope this helps.

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        • Profile picture of the author ycsim4016
          Originally Posted by drmani View Post

          OR...

          Let's assume what is more likely!

          10% of your list will typically click on any link you
          send them.

          A (very) good sales process will convert 2% to 3% into
          buyers.

          So, with a 20,000 list, you'll get 2,000 clicks, and 40
          to 60 sales, which equates to 40-60 x $30 = $1,200 to $1,800

          Which is NOT shabby at all.

          Except it's hard to expect the same results month after
          month in all niche markets.

          There are ways around it... like

          * constantly growing your list, to find new buyers
          * offering continuity programs, which keep paying you
          * selling higher ticket items, with bigger payouts

          ... all the while adding VALUE to your list.

          This is why a more important metric to measure is your
          average subscriber LIFETIME VALUE... and that's key!

          If you do that, and set yourself some specific goals
          and targets, you'll often discover that you DO NOT
          need a 20k list - or even a 5k list - to live your
          dreams!

          I'll share a short report called 'LIST METRICS' which
          is one of the training documents in my mentoring
          program, and which gets deeper into this process.
          You can download it here (direct link to PDF, no
          opt-in needed!)

          Hope this helps.

          All success
          Dr.Mani
          Thank you very much Dr. Mani..... I have gone through your list metrics & it's awesome. It's indeed a very good report for a newbie like myself. Thanks again...
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        • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
          Alexa I am surprised to hear that. An IM list for you would be a great Idea firstly if you were offering your List , "snap crackle popping" Writing specials many would sign up.

          Plus a letter from you just on Clickbank and gravity scores etc would be fantastic.

          And for those of us who read a lot of your comments you are pretty much down the line and call a spade a "garden implement" (thats cause you write really well and we all know you mean) so if you endorsed a product I would believe you really meant it and I would be very tempted to buy it.

          So If you don't have an IM list best you get one.

          My thoughts Cathy


          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Well, I'll be making it with you, because I think you're right. I suspect that getting involved in the "IM-advice" market as your first niche is pretty much odds-against, really.

          Not a "quick and easy answer", by any means, but maybe have a think about niches in which people have problems and want solutions, and in which you can come up with a "different" way of targeting the potential customers so that you side-step the effects of heavy competition?

          Not a suitable niche at all, I'd suggest, but I'll give you one little example of how some people did very well with a highly competitive weight-loss product a year or so ago: they noticed that over 75% of the niche's customers are women aged 30+ and did all their promotion targeted at other (i.e. non-weight-loss) areas in which women aged 30+ are traditionally interested. This dramatically reduced the cost of their PPC keywords and meant that in the places where they were promoting, they were the only ones promoting weight-loss. It's a fairly obvious idea, but can work very successfully if you can apply it elsewhere. I'd stay away from "IM", "MMO" "weight-loss" and the other hugely competitive markets, to start off with, though.
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  • Profile picture of the author mlord10
    To build a list of 20,000 subscribers in a year, you are likely going to have to use more than just article marketing, or at least leverage your content very effectively. my suggestion would be to build a "seed list" of at least 1,000 people, and then at this point you can begin to conduct ad swaps with other marketers within your niche.

    This is an effective way to build a list fast. You may also want to check out solo ads, as they can be a great investment IF your offer goes out to a responsive list.

    Congrats on having a goal and working to achieve it. You are already ahead of most people!
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    • Profile picture of the author ycsim4016
      Originally Posted by mlord10 View Post

      To build a list of 20,000 subscribers in a year, you are likely going to have to use more than just article marketing, or at least leverage your content very effectively. my suggestion would be to build a "seed list" of at least 1,000 people, and then at this point you can begin to conduct ad swaps with other marketers within your niche.

      This is an effective way to build a list fast. You may also want to check out solo ads, as they can be a great investment IF your offer goes out to a responsive list.

      Congrats on having a goal and working to achieve it. You are already ahead of most people!

      Thanks for your advices & I think it really make sense. It took me 2 weeks now to build a list of slightly more than 100, I still wonder how I can achieve 20k list in a year.

      Btw, how can I find a good solo ad offer? Still need some advices on this, thanks...
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
    Remember to RESEND emails to people that don't open the first time. Use a different headline (something more aggressive) and make sure to test, test, test...
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave d
    Dont forget if you are in the IM niche and you actually help your subscribers make money they are much more likely to stay loyal and keep buying.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hoopatang
    Once you do build that mega list, don't slam it.
    Make your mails stand out by sending them out less often.
    I'm signed up for two lists right now that have me looking at my inbox and just laughing and shaking my head. They're both sending out hyper sales pitches daily - and sometimes twice a day for 3 days in a row, then back to one a day for a few days. It's nuts.

    The end result? When I open my inbox I've got a wall of
    Spammy Guy 1
    Spammy Guy 2
    Spammy Guy 1
    Spammy Guy 1
    Some Other Person
    Spammy Guy 2
    Spammy Guy 2
    Spammy Guy 1

    See which one stands out? Guess which one I'm going to click on and actually read...
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