This Site Is Getting Impossible Traffic???

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When I see sites with unusual traffic rankings I usually do a site wide search to see if they have landing pages that cater for media buys or ppc.

However, I came across this site and I was shocked by their traffic count.
I'm talking about a 28,000 Alexa rank here!!!
It just doesn't make sense to me.

http://www.laurasweightloss.com/

Do any of you know how it's possible that a site with about 126 pages that doesn't really rank anywhere is getting that traffic? I mean, there aren't even targeted landing pages so I don't know how this site is making money (I mean theres no existing affiliate links on the static site).

Your comments are welcomed.
#impossible #site #traffic
  • Profile picture of the author Vyliss
    Wow, that site gets 10k visitors a day... lol *jealous*... what is even more amazing is that it only launched 4 months ago? In one month it went from 0 visitors to 70k visitors a month

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    • Profile picture of the author gareth
      they must be using a bot to click the alexa toolbar.
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    • Profile picture of the author lavidaloca
      If the site was designed to make money then I would guess it's traffic purchases from big sites like yahoo etc...

      But this site doesn't even have an affiliate link on it.

      What the hell is going on there. I think I smell some black hat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vyliss
    Yes there is an affiliate link. If you click on your weight loss journal, there's an affiliate link there.
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    • Profile picture of the author lavidaloca
      Originally Posted by Vyliss View Post

      Yes there is an affiliate link. If you click on your weight loss journal, there's an affiliate link there.
      Yes I know of that. I was referring to the site, not the blog. Yet...the blog only has one post. No way it's driving all the traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    Myspace & facebook ads by the tons & they are making a bundle!

    Take a look at the complaints, about 1/2 page down.

    Ultra Lean Green Tea Complaints - Free Sample Rip-Off

    This is the landing page from the ads

    http://www.laurasweightloss.com/?p=20

    Look at all the testimonials all within a few minutes of each other.
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  • Profile picture of the author mookinman
    Well, folks, in the spirit of scammer-crushing, I think we should all leave negative comments on the landing page.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by mookinman View Post

      Well, folks, in the spirit of scammer-crushing, I think we should all leave negative comments on the landing page.
      Virtually all of the complaints are about their forced continuity program... something a lot of people on the Forum use and even defend.

      I didn't see much mention of a problem with the product itself. I think some of the complainants said they had planned to re-order anyway, until they were charged.
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      • Profile picture of the author affiliateppc
        Hi Thomas,

        Like it or not, forced continuity works. In this case however, they are taking the wrong approach by not letting the people who took the free trail know that they are going to be billed after 30 days. Mabey they do, but they aren't using the correct wording.

        If you word your "forced continuity" paragraph correctly, people will actually appreciate you rebilling them every month.

        I have a friend who sells his own weight loss pill online and he uses forced continuity but he words that paragraph in such a way that people actually thank him for it. True story :-)



        Regards,

        AffiliatePPC

        Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

        Virtually all of the complaints are about their forced continuity program... something a lot of people on the Forum use and even defend.

        I didn't see much mention of a problem with the product itself. I think some of the complainants said they had planned to re-order anyway, until they were charged.
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        • Profile picture of the author Thomas
          Originally Posted by affiliateppc View Post

          Hi Thomas,

          Like it or not, forced continuity works.
          I didn't say I didn't.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ted Kopelli
    96% of her traffic is worthless, one page view back button. The other 4% appear to be worthwile prospects or customers.

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  • Profile picture of the author ragnartm
    I would say that word of mouth had a hand in here, a decent amount of people visited the site and liked it, then told their friends or other people about it by either just talking, blogging, emailing, using IMs etc.. Amazing development for just a few months o.O
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    • Profile picture of the author lavidaloca
      Originally Posted by ragnartm View Post

      I would say that word of mouth had a hand in here, a decent amount of people visited the site and liked it, then told their friends or other people about it by either just talking, blogging, emailing, using IMs etc.. Amazing development for just a few months o.O
      dude, it's impossible that simple referrals can generate that amount of traffic. Something else is being used.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben-Jones
    So does that mean my site with an alexa rank of 39,000 is quite high.

    I only get around 4-5000 uniques a day.
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    • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
      I don't see why you think the traffic stats are "impossible".

      It's probably a combination of viral and paid advertising. A good feat, but not really a big deal.
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    • Profile picture of the author lavidaloca
      Originally Posted by Ben-Jones View Post

      So does that mean my site with an alexa rank of 39,000 is quite high.

      I only get around 4-5000 uniques a day.
      When it comes to alexa there's a big difference between 28000 and 39000.
      But 5000 uniques a day is pretty damn good man.
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  • Profile picture of the author write-stuff
    I agree with earlier discussions that Alexa numbers are tainted because of the toolbar issue. But I compared this site on Alexa, Quantcast, and Compete and they're all in sync. This is quite a bit of traffic that just started in June - a grand total of about five months. Yahoo shows about 9 inbound links and Google shows 1.

    This is a very intereting situation.

    - Russ
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    • Profile picture of the author lavidaloca
      Originally Posted by write-stuff View Post

      I agree with earlier discussions that Alexa numbers are tainted because of the toolbar issue. But I compared this site on Alexa, Quantcast, and Compete and they're all in sync. This is quite a bit of traffic that just started in June - a grand total of about five months. Yahoo shows about 9 inbound links and Google shows 1.

      This is a very intereting situation.

      - Russ
      Precisely my point as well. I wonder if this person is buying traffic on places like digital point? I hear you can get like 25k visitors for $10 (but it's very very untargeted.)
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  • Profile picture of the author tommen
    Many online home business owners measure their ranking with Alexa, but some people say that Alexa rankings are not reliable and accurate,and should only be seen as a guideline of how well your website is performing, estimating the real traffic and overall ranking on the internet.What do you think?
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    • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
      Originally Posted by tommen View Post

      Many online home business owners measure their ranking with Alexa, but some people say that Alexa rankings are not reliable and accurate,and should only be seen as a guideline of how well your website is performing, estimating the real traffic and overall ranking on the internet.What do you think?
      Alexa is very unreliable. It's just junk...don't use it for anything other than novelty.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    If you search google for "www.laurasweightloss.com", you will find his listing on many expired parking domain!

    I think the owner purchase traffic from expired domain, and the conversion will be very very low...but with the volume of traffic, may be his sales is not bad...!
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  • Profile picture of the author affiliateppc
    Actually, they have a landing page for PPC. If you click on the My Journal, you are taken to a page that describes how she lost weight by using the product.

    That is an EXCELLENT landing page for PPC traffic. It won't surprise me if the comments where also engineered to provide social proof. They should have spaced them a couple of days apart though as they where all made on the 23rd. Also keep them comming, one or two a day :-)

    The other pages are there to get a decent QS with the PPC Engines (especially Adwords) in my opinion. 126 pages are more than enough. That is why there are no affiliate links on those pages. Most of the traffic they pay for will land on the blog with the testimonial for the product.

    The other pages will also help for SEO over time

    If they can get a forum going and post the recipes like they want to, this will become a very nice niche site over time.

    Can learn a couple of things from this site.

    Regards,

    AffiliatePPC

    Originally Posted by lavidaloca View Post

    When I see sites with unusual traffic rankings I usually do a site wide search to see if they have landing pages that cater for media buys or ppc.

    However, I came across this site and I was shocked by their traffic count.
    I'm talking about a 28,000 Alexa rank here!!!
    It just doesn't make sense to me.

    Laura's Weight Loss | Home

    Do any of you know how it's possible that a site with about 126 pages that doesn't really rank anywhere is getting that traffic? I mean, there aren't even targeted landing pages so I don't know how this site is making money (I mean theres no existing affiliate links on the static site).

    Your comments are welcomed.
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  • Profile picture of the author mbealmear
    96% of the visitors to this page are just "passing by" with only 1% visiting this site regularly.
    I have to say that I am jealous though...however they are getting that many visitors is something I would like to know about!
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  • Profile picture of the author affiliateppc
    Amanda,

    I read through the complaints board and apparently Oprah and CNN ran news stories endorsing Green Tee.

    That got the people on the the SEs to search enmass. The site posisioned itself to catch the wave (via PPC, Facebook and MySpace Ads)

    From experience I can tell you that the affiliate who owns that site made a nice chuck of change :-) Think about it, Oprah endorses a product, people start searching, sees the ad, click on it and read a story of how this product helped Laura to lose all that weight AND you can get a free sample of the stuff, you just have to pay shipping.

    That offer converted like a $2 Bikini Car Wash at the Playboy mainsion (Thanks Chris Rempel for that line)

    And it looks like the affiliate is in it for the long run, launching a forum and adding health recipes.

    Very good example of affiliate marketing

    AffiliatePPC
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    • Profile picture of the author gareth
      Originally Posted by affiliateppc View Post

      Amanda,

      I read through the complaints board and apparently Oprah and CNN ran news stories endorsing Green Tee.

      That got the people on the the SEs to search enmass. The site posisioned itself to catch the wave (via PPC, Facebook and MySpace Ads)

      From experience I can tell you that the affiliate who owns that site made a nice chuck of change :-) Think about it, Oprah endorses a product, people start searching, sees the ad, click on it and read a story of how this product helped Laura to lose all that weight AND you can get a free sample of the stuff, you just have to pay shipping.

      That offer converted like a $2 Bikini Car Wash at the Playboy mainsion (Thanks Chris Rempel for that line)

      And it looks like the affiliate is in it for the long run, launching a forum and adding health recipes.

      Very good example of affiliate marketing

      AffiliatePPC


      Yes this solves the mystery, and they are using tracking "p=19 etc" on the journal pages to test conversion. But they are getting traffic from other than Myspace and Facebook also as there are 18,000 results in google for "www.laurasweightloss.com"

      As somebody said they are advertising on expired domain networks, that does not mean they purchased the domain but they have purchased advertising on some expired domain networks.

      So they purchased expired traffic and ran ads on myspace, facebook -- what else ???

      http://www.redirectedvisitors.com/
      http://www.recycled-traffic.com/index.jsp
      www.expireddomainbot.com/
      http://www.traffictoyou.com/
      http://www.expired-targeted.com/


      Quote:

      "Get this: All of the customers using Expired Domain Traffic packages are experiencing a HUGE spike in their ranking on ALEXA. We have many customers who buy this package for the sole purpose of getting sky-high "logged traffic" to their site. Most customers who buy at least 20,000 hits per month go from being ranked in the low 3-4 million up to being ranked in the top 100,000 sites on the net. Google works very closely with ALEXA and uses their stats as one factor in determining site ranking on their search engine, and they supply this ranking data to Yahoo, AOL, and Netscape. WOW! You get 75% of the major search engines finally ranking your site high!"

      Jizz what a hot fricken WSO !!!
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      • Profile picture of the author affiliateppc
        Originally Posted by gareth View Post

        Quote:

        "Get this: All of the customers using Expired Domain Traffic packages are experiencing a HUGE spike in their ranking on ALEXA. We have many customers who buy this package for the sole purpose of getting sky-high "logged traffic" to their site. Most customers who buy at least 20,000 hits per month go from being ranked in the low 3-4 million up to being ranked in the top 100,000 sites on the net. Google works very closely with ALEXA and uses their stats as one factor in determining site ranking on their search engine, and they supply this ranking data to Yahoo, AOL, and Netscape. WOW! You get 75% of the major search engines finally ranking your site high!"

        Jizz what a hot fricken WSO !!!
        Gareth,

        I am willing to eat my words if someone can proof that this is true. But for now I say HOG WASH. That's not tue. They are saying that to sell their product.

        Again. I will go and test it. If it works, great. But for now I am a skeptic

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  • Profile picture of the author cadillac48
    I see what you are talking about. There is definitely somewthing here out of the usual. Can the owner of the site know something about drawing traffic that no one out there knows?
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    • Profile picture of the author affiliateppc
      Originally Posted by cadillac48 View Post

      I see what you are talking about. There is definitely somewthing here out of the usual. Can the owner of the site know something about drawing traffic that no one out there knows?
      No.

      The Internet is almost like being in Prison.

      Here's why:

      I had a friend who got locked up for 6 months for a STUPID reason. So on the first opportunity I got, I went to pay him a visit (horrible experiece by the way). He said that he was doing ok, but he needed some stuff and gave me a list.

      Problem was, most of the stuff on his list was banned from prison. Stuff like cigarettes, detol, money, extra blankets etc.

      So I started wondering, how am I going to smuggle some of this stuff into prison for my old bud? After thinking it through for almost 2 days, I came to the conclusion that NOTHING is new. I can't possibly think of a way to smuggle this stuff into prison, that one of the other inmates have not thought of and implemented (or tried to) before me.

      The prison guards know every trick in the book. If it doesn't go through them, it aint going nowhere.

      My point is, trying to think of a way to drive traffic that NO ONE has ever though of before, is like trying to think of a brand new way to smuggle stuff into prison. It aint gonna happen easily (there are exceptions of course)

      Read my post above, Oprah and CNN ran news stories endorsing Green Tea and the site positioned itself to catch a lot of the searchers those stories generated via PPC, Facebook Ads and MySpace Ads. Easy as that.

      AffiliatePPC
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      • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
        Originally Posted by affiliateppc View Post

        Oprah and CNN ran news stories endorsing Green Tea and the site positioned itself to catch a lot of the searchers those stories generated via PPC, Facebook Ads and MySpace Ads. Easy as that.
        How can you tell they advertised via Facebook and MySpace Ads?
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        • Profile picture of the author affiliateppc
          Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

          How can you tell they advertised via Facebook and MySpace Ads?

          Because on the complaints board, the customers mentioned that they saw the ads on either FaceBook or MySpace, clicked and bought.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Bogowski
    Check the backlinks...

    Perhaps the site has a couple of very valuable links on high traffic sites that are pouring some visitors.
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  • Profile picture of the author howudoin
    But AffiliatePPC,

    If the entire traffic was generated from paid advertising then I believe his profit margin wouldn't have been great.

    I mean he may have made some profit, otherwise he would have stopped the campaigns but with 96% worthless traffic (Or passerbys) I don't think the final profit has been great.

    Bhupinder
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    • Profile picture of the author affiliateppc
      Originally Posted by howudoin View Post

      But AffiliatePPC,

      If the entire traffic was generated from paid advertising then I believe his profit margin wouldn't have been great.

      I mean he may have made some profit, otherwise he would have stopped the campaigns but with 96% worthless traffic (Or passerbys) I don't think the final profit has been great.

      Bhupinder
      And how do you know that 96% of his traffic is worthless?

      Mabey traffic that he is sending to his article/review pages or the main site, yes. But then again from what I've seen from this guy/gal so far, he know's what he's doing, so he is not paying a lot (or at all) for those visitors (probably the expired domain traffic someone mentioned earlier).

      He might be thinking that weightloss is a big niche (or bought traffic from expired weightloss domains) and argues that a certain number of visitors will start clicking and eventually land up on the landing page (testimonial page)

      And seeing as he is building a forum and recipe section, that tells me he wants to build a community, so a lot of the visitors who are clicking away now will eventually stick and more and more of them will find their way to the testimonial page (as there is a link to it on the top of every page of the site)

      In that regard, the traffic may be useless in the short term, but in the long term (and this guy/gal is obviously planning long term) the traffic will become more valuable

      He is not sending paid traffic (PPC, FB, MS) to any other page than the testimonial page. And that page is doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing, let the visitor read your message and click on the affiliate link. You don't want them clicking on all sorts of other links. Just your affiliate link, thats it. Presell them and send them to the offer. If your landing page for PPC traffic has a low bounce rate, you are doing something wrong.

      In my opinion, those articles and reviews aren't there for people to read (not yet anyway) they are there to get a decent quality score.

      I say again, the guy/gal knows what he is doing.

      AffiliatePPC
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  • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
    I imagine that a lot of that traffic comes because that's a very good niche. I wonder how long the site's been up and running.

    I've see sites with less pages on it get every bit of traffice this one's getting, and then some. It's about giving the right information, to the right market, at the right time, and how it's marketed.


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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    For starters this will only work in a large market/niche because it requires a high volume of low quality traffic.

    As for expired traffic - i will do it this week.

    PS: I have been through the whole thing of seeking and buying expired domains but it is a real drag.

    To outright purchase the traffic is much better, there are of course scammers out there but there are also plenty of legit services too.

    I will contact some registras and find out how to purchase the traffic. As far as i know the parking services like sedo display adsense.

    http://www.google.com/domainpark/

    https://adwords.google.com/select/af..._frontier.html

    I dont quite know yet but there is definitely a legit way to set it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Riddle
    Folks the answer is staring us right in the face.

    Read the complaints, these people are being charged from $70 to $140 within 2 weeks of their free shipping order.

    While I agree there are a lot of complaints, how many times were these people charged before they search the web to complain...

    How many people are being charged and haven't found out yet.

    Of course, there WILL be some that are perfectly happy with the product and don't mind the high price (you get what you pay for crowd)

    All in all, the site can have a fairly modest conversion rate, with cheap traffic and PPC ads and still be profitable.

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    • Profile picture of the author clint48
      The traffic from that site is not coming from adwords. The keywords used only receive about 2 clicks a day if I checked the correct site. The site I found was from the UK.

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      • Profile picture of the author gareth
        Originally Posted by clint48 View Post

        The traffic from that site is not coming from adwords. The keywords used only receive about 2 clicks a day if I checked the correct site. The site I found was from the UK.

        Clint
        I just emailed google to find out how to do exclusively parked domain advertising.

        Daily keyword searches dont reflect expired traffic results.

        affiliateppc I can find only a handful of links for forums, twitter and yahoo answers.

        How do you know that ?
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  • Profile picture of the author affiliateppc
    Another Update:

    The site was advertised on a lot of diet and weightloss forums. One I found had 80,000 members and the site had a big ad push there. (Got taken down after a LOT of members complained about being scammed, though they are not being scammed, the merchant must just make his continuity terms more clear)

    Other methods also used that I found:
    Twitter
    Yahoo Answers.

    So far we have:
    PPC
    Facebook Ads
    Myspace Ads
    Expired Domain traffic
    Forum ads
    Twitter
    Yahoo Answers

    Big budget to promote this site

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  • Profile picture of the author rodtyler
    There is a black hat method of manipulating your Alexa rankings, but I can't understand how that would help them. If they were selling ads, they could charge more, but they are not and the weight loss crowd don't give a squat about alexa rankings.

    I admit I'm puzzled on how they got that much traffic, but I have to admit their site strategies are good. Build continuity, get lots of repreat visitors. After a while, she/he could sell them rubber chickens for dinner and they would buy it.
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  • Profile picture of the author JJOrana
    Alexa is not reliable. You can actually buy a service to increase your alexa rank.

    Google it or go to digitalpointless.
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    • Profile picture of the author davemiz
      you guys are close but theres a LOT more to what they're doing.

      They're using some really high end "ninja" seo stuff. They've probably got THOUSANDS of sites just like the one posted, thousands of links, along with cpa deals and a lot of other stuff we won't get into right now.

      the complaints seem to be centered around the continuity.... which isn't uncommon... but... they state it very clearly you're paying for shipping and then if you don't cancel within 14 days you are getting billed x amount for the product AND you will be billed on day 30 for next months shipment.

      and so on.

      bottom line is people got to read what they're getting, its right there and while everyone seems to want to blame the merchant, no ones putting a gun to these peoples heads and forcing them to buy this stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Really - how come nearly all the links I've clicked in google come from expired domains then ?
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  • Profile picture of the author dsiomtw
    What's silly is that they are just an affiliate. The complaints have nothing to do with them. They are just promoting the offer through Advaliant.
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    • Profile picture of the author gareth
      Shit now i feel like an ass.

      I looked closer at compete. Yes they do have alot of links on expired domains but thats not where most of the traffic is from.

      Compete says it was 40% from facebook last month.

      This month 40% from facebook, msn and myspace combined. They must be spending a few grand a month.
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberweiss
    They are spammer - not too long ago I would get dozens of spam from this site in my email.
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  • Profile picture of the author drogers
    can somebody confirm if this is really a spammer?
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    • A good business person is competitive and encourages it to further the industry and service for the customer.

      A bad business person is competitive and wishes to see everyone but himself fail.

      Which one are some of you?
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  • Profile picture of the author Li Weng
    Maybe they're using that viral thing where you sign up to this viral system and basically tell other people to sign up too to get traffic, and in the process of signing up, other people have to visit your website too, and it goes exponential this way..
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  • Profile picture of the author jackgym
    Well, it's getting a tad more traffic now, from here!
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