If it's this good, why doesn't he shut up and use it........

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Hey Warriors,

Here is something I want to address.

"If all of the methods marketers are selling are so good then why don't they just shut up and keep working on them instead of giving them away and increasing their own competition???"

In the past one week I have read this comment about 5 times and I want to address it.

Here's why I think this is the case:

Let's take Albert as an example.

Albert know how to find a profitable market, create a website and generate tons of traffic to it. He does all that and makes $300 his very first month.

Pretty cool, huh?

Now Albert decides to put his method together on how he made 3k a month and sell it as a $27 product.

He launches a product and generates 200 sales.

In the end, 27 x 200 = $5400

Bottomline,

It took Albert one month of hard work to generate $300 a month (content writing, backlinking, social networking, email follow ups etc.)

On the other hand it only took him about a week to put together his product and he made eighteen times more than that.

Simply put, this is easy money.

Hope it helps
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  • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
    Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

    Have you all ever wondered if all of the methods gurus are using are so good then why don't they just shut up and keep working on them instead of giving them away and increasing their own competition???
    First of all, stop calling them gurus. There are no gurus. Yes, there are marketers who may be more successful than other marketers, but there are no gurus. I don't put anyone on a pedestal, and you shouldn't either.

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      Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

      First of all, stop calling them gurus. There are no gurus. Yes, there are marketers who may be more successful than other marketers, but there are no gurus. I don't put anyone on a pedestal, and you shouldn't either.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
      Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

      First of all, stop calling them gurus. There are no gurus. Yes, there are marketers who may be more successful than other marketers, but there are no gurus. I don't put anyone on a pedestal, and you shouldn't either.

      David Jackson
      Sorry about that,

      I didn't pay lots of attention while writing this

      (Fixed Now)
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

      First of all, stop calling them gurus. There are no gurus. Yes, there are marketers who may be more successful than other marketers, but there are no gurus. I don't put anyone on a pedestal, and you shouldn't either.

      David Jackson
      lol...doesn't one of the guys who runs "the challenge" call himself "Guru Bob"? lol...
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      • Profile picture of the author netkid
        The only "guru" I ever heard about was in this definiton

        ...."Hindu or Buddhist religious leader and spiritual teacher"
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        • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
          Originally Posted by netkid View Post

          The only "guru" I ever heard about was in this definiton

          ...."Hindu or Buddhist religious leader and spiritual teacher"
          I aced the Hinduism section in my World Literature class.

          Does that make me a guru
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          • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
            Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

            I aced the Hinduism section in my World Literature class.

            Does that make me a guru
            It might.

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        • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
          Originally Posted by netkid View Post

          The only "guru" I ever heard about was in this definiton

          ...."Hindu or Buddhist religious leader and spiritual teacher"
          No argument here. Those are indeed gurus.

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      • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

        lol...doesn't one of the guys who runs "the challenge" call himself "Guru Bob"? lol...
        I wonder it that is his real name
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        • Profile picture of the author netkid
          @mohammad, looks like we can call you guru now!
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          • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
            Originally Posted by netkid View Post

            @mohammad, looks like we can call you guru now!
            Does that mean we have to bow?

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          • Profile picture of the author netkid
            Reminds me of the real estate "gurus" who held very, very profitable seminars in how to invest in real estate on how to get rich in real estate.

            Looking back, I see that it's the tons of money made from charging for the "get rich real estate" courses sold at the seminars that made these guys rich.....ever wonder if these guys really made money investng in real estate at all.
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            • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
              Originally Posted by netkid View Post

              Reminds me of the real estate "gurus" who held very, very profitable seminars in how to invest in real estate on how to get rich in real estate.

              Looking back, I see that it's the tons of money made from charging for the "get rich real estate" courses sold at the seminars that made these guys rich.....ever wonder if these guys really made money investng in real estate at all.
              Actually, 99% of them turned out to be nothing but bonafide con artists who made their money selling their B.S. real estate courses.

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              • Profile picture of the author netkid
                @david jackson, oh so true....
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                • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                  Originally Posted by netkid View Post

                  @david jackson, oh so true....
                  @netkid. I have to admit, Carleton Sheets nearly got me. I had my credit card out late one night, all ready to order his course...and then my girlfriend decided to get all intimate on me.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                    There's another answer to the "why don't marketers stop selling" question.

                    There are many things to sell. Think about all the topics related to making
                    money online.

                    Just off the top of my head.

                    Copywriting
                    List Building
                    Email Marketing
                    PPC
                    CPA
                    Adsense
                    Affiliate Marketing
                    Product Creation
                    Article Writing
                    Article Marketing
                    Testing & Tracking
                    JVs
                    Graphic Design
                    Software
                    PLR

                    And then there are all kinds of specialty products that I won't get into
                    here.

                    I could write a list 300 long.

                    Why put all that into one product when you can create smaller products
                    covering each thing?

                    And THEN, what if there are changes, such as with PPC?

                    A PPC book from 2005 will NOT be much use today with all the changes
                    that Google has made.

                    So updates are needed.

                    In short...there will ALWAYS be a need for info products...new, updated
                    or whatever.

                    THAT is why marketers keep selling products.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

      Yes, there are marketers who may be more successful than other marketers, but there are no gurus.
      Gee, wouldn't it be convenient if we had a WORD for that? Like, just one word, instead of nine?

      It's too bad we don't. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Gee, wouldn't it be convenient if we had a WORD for that? Like, just one word, instead of nine?

        It's too bad we don't. :rolleyes:

        We do Caliban...it's called expert
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

          What's the matter, lil' baby? Not getting enough attention today? Okay, Uncle David wiil give you a little attention? Okay, is that enough lil' baby? Want me to burp you too? :rolleyes:

          David Jackson
          Excuse me David,

          I don't know you nor do you know me, however if I may please state an observation.

          If you want to come across as a reliable, mature, successful marketer, then perhaps you should drop the grade school mentality stuff. You are posting in a public "marketing" forum where other marketers read your words and whether you want it to be true or not, you are constantly building your reputation.

          I'm not sure if I would want to do business with someone who behaves in that manner. Occasionally a schism may occur while conducting business and I personally wouldn't want undue duress in knowing I'd have to deal with that type of response if a misunderstanding or error should develop.

          I'd look for another with a different type of reputation in the same field.

          Just saying is all.

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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            Excuse me David,

            I don't know you nor do you know me, however if I may please state an observation.

            If you want to come across as a reliable, mature, successful marketer, then perhaps you should drop the grade school mentality stuff. You are posting in a public "marketing" forum where other marketers read your words and whether you want it t be true or not, you are constantly building your reputation.

            I'm not sure if I would want to do business with someone who behaves in that manner. Occasionally a schism may occur while conducting business and I personally wouldn't want undue duress in knowing I'd have to deal with that type of response if a misunderstanding or error should develop.

            I'd look for another with a different type of reputation in the same field.

            Just saying is all.

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          Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

          What's the matter, lil' baby? Not getting enough attention today?
          Sheesh, coming from someone that appears to be trying to rank for the biggest attention whore here with all your pontificating threads I find it odd that you would make such a comment.

          Perhaps you're jealous. Perhaps you just felt the need to have 3 fingers pointing back at you.

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            Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

            Sheesh, coming from someone that appears to be trying to rank for the biggest attention whore here with all your pontificating threads I find it odd that you would make such a comment.

            Perhaps you're jealous. Perhaps you just felt the need to have 3 fingers pointing back at you.

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  • Profile picture of the author bay37
    Meh.

    What you described above is just a very small part of what Internet Marketing really is, and... who cares?

    There's obviously a need for this stuff, so just let it be. People want to pay good ca$h for that stuff? Then let them. It's nothing personal and you obviously aren't their target market.

    What's that saying again... Don't knock the hustle.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
      Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

      Meh.

      What you described above is just a very small part of what Internet Marketing really is, and... who cares?

      There's obviously a need for this stuff, so just let it be. People want to pay good ca for that stuff? Then let them. It's nothing personal and you obviously aren't their target market.

      What's that saying again... Don't knock the hustle.
      This post was meant to be a reply to the people who always post comments like:

      "If the product is so good why is he selling it"
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Okay, okay, okay. You guys can start calling me a guru. I can tell from David's post he is dying to. But in all fairness when someone refers to a guru they usually mean "teacher". I hope no one is putting them up on pedestals though. They put their pants on one leg at a time just like the rest of us.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      In all fairness when someone refers to a guru they usually mean "teacher".
      Matt, look at all the smilie faces we're using in our posts. We're just having a little fun, that's all.

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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Someone who does that is hardly a guru.

    What you described was a newbie who isn't confident in their ability to make money and knows that desperate warriors will buy anything that promises short term income.

    There is another side to this which you seem to be overlooking.

    Some of us make great money doing things but don't have a limited mindset where it's all about us and we like to help others and share what works.

    Especially in this forum - I know many warriors who are successful and happily share information here - because they want to give back to this community.

    The mindset that anyone sharing their success is just BS and they wouldn't share it if it worked is just limited thinking and just shows that some people think that way themselves.

    I've shared hundreds of strategies in this forum that have worked well for me - some of them I just don't do anymore because I prefer other things, some of them i still do but I don't care about competition because no-one will ever be able to replace my relationships, and some things I only share with people I trust enough not to abuse what I'm sharing.

    The short story is though - yes some people make their money selling how-to information and not making it the way they're telling others - but not everyone is like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pluton
    There's the Gurus who call themselves Gurus because they want to for whatever reason and there's the really successful marketers who you never see - they get on with their successful businesses - they are invisible!!
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      Originally Posted by Pluton View Post

      There's the Gurus who call themselves Gurus because they want to for whatever reason and there's the really successful marketers who you never see - they get on with their successful businesses - they are invisible!!
      They're not all invisible. They just don't go around calling themselves gurus. But your point about some of the most successful marketers being extremely low profile is a good one.

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    You make it sound like it is a bad thing.

    I know I've learned quite a bit from buying stuff from marketers (both guru types and non guru types) and those things have helped me make more money.

    Marketing is all about finding a need and supplying the solution, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      What is it with all the attitudes today?

      I ask a legit question in another thread and am called an idiot and here a
      guy makes a sensible remark and is belittled.

      Geesh...a few people need to lay off the caffeine.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        What is it with all the attitudes today?

        I ask a legit question in another thread and am called an idiot and here a
        guy makes a sensible remark and is belittled.

        Geesh...a few people need to lay off the caffeine.
        Steven, you're hardly an innocent bystander in all of this. I've seen you have an attitude on some threads as well. The fact of the matter is I'm sick and tired of you and CD and a few others jumping all over me every chance you get. The tone of this thread was light. We were all having fun, until the "clique" showed up.

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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

          Steve, you're hardly an innocent bystander in all of this. I've seen you have an attitude on some threads as well. The fact of the matter is I'm sick and tired of you and CD and a few others jumping all over me every single chance you get. The tone of this thread was light. We were all having fun, until the "clique" showed up.

          David Jackson

          Did you even bother reading my reply to this thread?

          If you have a problem with me, fine...but I've done nothing wrong in this
          thread. I gave a good answer to the OPs question (if you bothered reading
          it) and came to the defense of somebody who didn't deserve to be spoken
          to in that fashion.

          And if YOU have a problem with that, I'll give you an email address where
          you and I can hash it out...but not here.

          I'm sick and tired of all the fights in this place because some people don't
          know how to act like adults.
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          • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            If you have a problem with me, fine...but I've done nothing wrong in this thread.

            I'm sick and tired of all the fights in this place because some people don't
            know how to act like adults.
            I don't have a problem with you Steven. I guess I'm a little on edge, because I'm attacked daily by the same handful of individuals, almost on a daily basis.

            CD, Crew Chief, TMG Enterprise, Miss Terrak, and a few others have some sarcastic comment every single day. Never anything positive, and I'm sick of it! I'm not looking for a fight, but I'm certainly fighting back!

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              Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

              I don't have a problem with you Steven. I guess I'm a little on edge, because I'm attacked daily by the same handful of individuals, almost on a daily basis.

              CD, Crew Chief, TMG, Miss Terrak, and a few others have some sarcastic comment every single day. And I'm sick of it! I'm not looking for a fight, but I'm certainly fighting back!

              David Jackson
              Are you here, on the WF to create relationships and make, sell yourself/product/services? If so, then fighting others will make you look bad. If others, pester you...just ignore it and handle yourself in a professional way.
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            • Profile picture of the author netkid
              @David, we are all not adversarial...just what you said earlier, we are having fun on this thread. Doesn't have to be more than that

              @Mohammad, you had a great point to make in the OP.

              It just comes down to buyer beware...

              Have a great day everybody
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            • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
              As someone so properly noted, the word guru is not accurate nor applicable. Another word, however, is, at least in terms of showing respect: Sensei

              Quoting Wikipedia: Sensei (先生?) is a Japanese title used to refer to or address teachers, professors, professionals such as lawyers, CPA and doctors, politicians, clergymen, and other figures of authority.[1] The word is also used to show respect to someone who has achieved a certain level of mastery in an art form or some other skill: accomplished novelists, sweepstakers, musicians, and artists for example are addressed in this way.

              And Steven, you certainly have earned that title. Therefore, Sensei Steven, thank you for all of your helpful insights. Even when you're a little crabby, you are a great teacher.
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      • Profile picture of the author bay37
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Geesh...a few people need to lay off the caffeine.
        You have no idea how serious it can be... Ahhh the headaches!
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        What is it with all the attitudes today?
        Late July. The heat in some parts of the country is downright intolerable. Temperatures and tempers alike are running high.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          Late July. The heat in some parts of the country is downright intolerable. Temperatures and tempers alike are running high.
          Tough Tillie. It doesn't give ANYBODY the right to speak to another person
          that way.

          By rights, I should report his post and let the mods take care of it.

          Maybe a little forced vacation from this place is what somebody needs.
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            Tough Tillie. It doesn't give ANYBODY the right to speak to another person that way.
            The right, no. But a little understanding and tolerance can go a long way.

            I like David. I've been watching his posts for a while, and sometimes I disagree with him. Thinking back over the past few days, when I agree with him, I hardly ever say so. I don't know if I've ever thanked one of his posts. I honestly cannot remember a single time that I've expressed my admiration and appreciation for him.

            But I can remember several when I've disagreed with him, and had absolutely no trouble saying so.

            That probably does feel a lot like persecution. And it's my fault, not his, so I kind of owe him an apology. Would have rather done it via PM, but publicly works too.

            I've actually been trying to reduce my "me too" and "check this out" participation in the forum. It's starting to get on some people's nerves, so I try to keep more of a lid on it. And in this particular case... I unintentionally slighted a Warrior that I do, indeed, admire and respect.

            I'll be more aware of that in the future.
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            • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              The right, no. But a little understanding and tolerance can go a long way.

              I like David. I've been watching his posts for a while, and sometimes I disagree with him. Thinking back over the past few days, when I agree with him, I hardly ever say so. I don't know if I've ever thanked one of his posts. I honestly cannot remember a single time that I've expressed my admiration and appreciation for him.

              But I can remember several when I've disagreed with him, and had absolutely no trouble saying so.

              That probably does feel a lot like persecution. And it's my fault, not his, so I kind of owe him an apology. Would have rather done it via PM, but publicly works too.

              I've actually been trying to reduce my "me too" and "check this out" participation in the forum. It's starting to get on some people's nerves, so I try to keep more of a lid on it. And in this particular case... I unintentionally slighted a Warrior that I do, indeed, admire and respect.

              I'll be more aware of that in the future.
              Thank you for that, CD. Apology accepted. And I offer my gracious apology as well. As for the respect and admiration part, the feeling is mutual.

              Here's to a new beginning...

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              • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
                Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                Thank you for that, CD. Apology accepted. And I offer my gracious apology as well. As for the respect and admiration part, the feeling is mutual.

                Here's to a new beginning...

                David Jackson
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    Can't we all get along
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

    Hey Warriors,

    Have you all ever wondered if all of the methods marketers are using are so good then why don't they just shut up and keep working on them instead of giving them away and increasing their own competition???
    Teaching other people how to do what you do... is never going to increase "competition" to the point where it becomes a problem..

    In fact, it probably isn't even going to increase competition for you at all...

    Simply put, this is easy money.
    Anyone who is selling their system, or product that teaches people how to do what they do.. will know 100% that it is NOT easy money if you are actually teaching people stuff that works...

    You can share some theory BS in a $10 WSO for "easy money".. but those people who are actually sharing real methods, and teaching them... do not make "easy money".

    One has to wonder though...

    If you are struggling with this concept. Why would you go around teaching people how to find new niches?... surely the competition will get too hot real soon and there will be no niches left for you? :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      One has to wonder though...

      If you are struggling with this concept. Why would you go around teaching people how to find new niches?... surely the competition will get too hot real soon and there will be no niches left for you? :rolleyes:
      Correct me if I'm mistaken but I think you misunderstood me. I never said I was struggling with this concept. This post was a reply to the comments from people who always think "If it's working out for you then why are you selling it and increasing your own competition".

      I am NOT struggling with this concept myself but I have seen this so many times that I just felt the need to start a thread about it.

      I guess I just wasn't able to explain myself clearly.
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      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Gee, wouldn't it be convenient if we had a WORD for that? Like, just one word, instead of nine?

      It's too bad we don't. :rolleyes:
      Try this on for size!

      gu·ru
      Pronounced: [goor-oo, goo-roo]

      1. Hinduism & Tibetan Buddhism A personal spiritual teacher.
      2. A teacher and guide in spiritual and philosophical matters.
      3. A trusted counselor and adviser; a mentor.
      4. A recognized leader in a field: the guru of high finance.
      5. An acknowledged and influential advocate, as of a movement or idea: "In a culture that worships slimness, he was the Guru of Lean" (Erica Abeel).
      (b) A recognized leader in a field: the guru of high finance.

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      • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
        Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

        Try this on for size!

        gu·ru
        Pronounced: [goor-oo, goo-roo]

        1. Hinduism & Tibetan Buddhism A personal spiritual teacher.
        2. A teacher and guide in spiritual and philosophical matters.
        3. A trusted counselor and adviser; a mentor.
        4. A recognized leader in a field: the guru of high finance.
        5. An acknowledged and influential advocate, as of a movement or idea: "In a culture that worships slimness, he was the Guru of Lean" (Erica Abeel).
        (b) A recognized leader in a field: the guru of high finance.
        (c)An acknowledged and influential advocate, as of a movement or idea: "In a culture that worships slimness, he was the Guru of Lean" (Erica Abeel).

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        Okay, Giles, I bow to your superior erudition. Guru, in the purest sense, indeed does apply.
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        • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
          Originally Posted by mcmahanusa View Post

          Okay, Giles, I bow to your superior erudition. Guru, in the purest sense, indeed does apply.

          So does that mean we can call them Sensei Gurus?

          I have to admit; it has a ring to it!

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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    Dang, can someone turn on the air.

    I'm feeling hot in here.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheMagicShow
      Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

      Dang, can someone turn on the air.

      I'm feeling hot in here.
      I just had my AC fixed (1 hour--ago), I know about hot weathers..lol
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    David, it is better to build bridges than tear 'em down.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    David thinks he can insult someone and put a smiley face on the end of it and that will somehow keep the thread light.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    There are many fields in which you can generate income, often massive amounts.

    Stockmarket
    Real Estate
    Marketing
    Casino
    Racetrack, etc., etc..

    The easiest way to make money in any/all of these is - write a book telling other people how THEY can make money in any/all of these fields.

    I learnt that back in the days I was running a mail order business, long before the internet and even personal computers came along.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      I learnt that back in the days I was running a mail order business, long before the internet and even personal computers came along.
      Heh. Back in the old days I too had my own mail order company. One of my best-selling products was a book on how to make money from home. Heck, I even used to have big ads in one of the most expensive advertising venues at the time, the National Enquirer.

      For some reason (nudge-nudge, wink-wink), that publication produced more orders than any other.
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      The easiest way to make money in any/all of these is - write a book telling other people how THEY can make money in any/all of these fields.
      Actually, those "how to make money" seminars are pretty doggone lucrative too.

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      • Profile picture of the author netkid
        @john durham, I played guitar and keyboards professionally in a rock band back in the 70/80's and share your feeings too. The heart of a truly creative person would think that way, to give of themselves to others and inspire them.

        Most "mellowed" musicians I know also do that. Some of the best musicians I knew back where I grew up now teach guitar to the poor kids in the projects so they can maybe pursure a career in music.

        It is about giving back. And we have to remember that.

        But in business, there are few qualified people who will "give it away" or give back by revealing their "secret sauce" of internet marketing success. A lot, unfortunately are still the money grubbing opportunists who prey on the less experienced....
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    And if there ARE gurus, they do not deserve the title if they can only make $300/month outside of the IM market.
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      I'm not a guru but I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night. Does that count?
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      • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        I'm not a guru but I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night. Does that count?
        Hotel, Motel, Holiday Inn!!

        Sorry I had to do it. Hey if Pitbull rolls into the Holiday Inn nothing wrong with you doing it.
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        • Profile picture of the author bay37
          Originally Posted by mainstreetcm View Post

          Hotel, Motel, Holiday Inn!!

          Sorry I had to do it. Hey if Pitbull rolls into the Holiday Inn nothing wrong with you doing it.
          ROFL. Awesome.
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        • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
          Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

          I don't have a problem with you Steven. I guess I'm a little on edge, because I'm attacked daily by the same handful of individuals, almost on a daily basis.

          CD, Crew Chief, TMG, Miss Terrak, and a few others have some sarcastic comment every single day. And I'm sick of it! I'm not looking for a fight, but I'm certainly fighting back!

          David Jackson
          Duly Note.... [Off Topic, way off topic]

          Since you brought it up...

          No one's attacking you [Least not me and I can't speak for anyone else] but unfortunately, it seems as though your false perception has become your reality.

          There's a number of things you need to take note of going forward:

          (a). There are a lot of seasoned and savvy IMers who are WF members and they know their stuff.

          (b). When it comes to posting comments and starting threads, not you, me, Steven, CD nor anyone else on the WF gets a FREE ride.

          (c). If you make a comment or post a thread pontificating a particular perspective, be prepared to back it up or you and anyone else including myself is subject to be slammed, drop kicked, blasted and publicly rebuked. You are not being attacked; you are being rebuked and there is a difference.

          (d). If you can't back it up then don't post it and don't start a thread about it; because people are going to check and they are going to verify. If you think they are not, you are drastically fooling yourself. More WF members check and confirm stuff said on the WF than you may ever realize.

          (e). If you find yourself constantly backtracking and apologizing due to comments you made and threads you started, that's your warning sign, that YOU are doing something wrong.

          (e). Don't start threads and/or make comments just for the purposes of building up post count. Remember those seasoned and savvy Internet Marketers on the WF? They can see that kind of stuff 300,000 miles away.

          (f). The signs that a person is spitting out threads solely for the purpose of building post count and bumping threads is obvious to seasoned and savvy WF members. [Not so much to newbies.] You need to learn what those signs are and then simply avoid them.

          (g). Prior to hitting that submit button, you have to ask yourself, "Are my statements going to stand up to scrutiny?" Some people don't care. They hit the submit button and immediately after the rebuking starts - they claim they are being criticized and attacked. They stated, claimed, affirmed, swore and pontificated their opinion without seeing if their opinion passed the scrutiny test. Case in point: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ks-policy.html

          Speaking for myself, I treat you the same way I treat anyone else on the WF, with respect. Just so you know you're not the first person who said they felt like they were being attacked and then spoke about a clique.

          I can assure you, I'm part of nobody's clique and that's with no: ifs, ands, buts or howevers.

          Everyone gets the same treatment from me. If a person states it and I recognize it to be a personal opinion and not fact, conjecture or false information, I'm going to state such without equivocation. Especially if the opinion, conjecture or false information has the potential to mislead newbies.

          A wise man once said, "A word to the wise is sufficient." If you value your reputation here on the WF take heed.

          Originally Posted by Magic Mel View Post

          Are you here, on the WF to create relationships and make, sell yourself/product/services? If so, then fighting others will make you look bad. If others, pester you...just ignore it and handle yourself in a professional way.
          Pestering as in the sense of a gadfly?

          We have gadflies on the WF?

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        • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
          Originally Posted by mainstreetcm View Post

          Hotel, Motel, Holiday Inn!!

          Sorry I had to do it. Hey if Pitbull rolls into the Holiday Inn nothing wrong with you doing it.
          Hahaha...that song hasn't been in my head for at least a decade now. Thanks for putting it back in there where it belongs Mainstreetcm!
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          • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
            Giles, haven't you noticed nobody but you is rehashing something that happened hours ago? Let it go, dude! Let it go! Nobody's interested in prolonging this crap except you!

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            • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
              Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

              Giles, haven't you noticed nobody but you is rehashing something that happened hours ago? Let it go, dude! Let it go! Nobody's interested in prolonging this crap except you! David Jackson
              Prolonging what?

              Do you have some type of control issues?

              You made this statement on this thread and for whatever reason specifically named me...

              Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

              I don't have a problem with you Steven. I guess I'm a little on edge, because I'm attacked daily by the same handful of individuals, almost on a daily basis.

              CD, Crew Chief, TMG Enterprise, Miss Terrak, and a few others have some sarcastic comment every single day. Never anything positive, and I'm sick of it! I'm not looking for a fight, but I'm certainly fighting back! David Jackson
              Just so you know, when you make such statements, you don't get to decide when and if or how the responder responds.

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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        I'm not a guru but I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night. Does that count?
        Nope. It's gotta be a Holiday Inn Express.
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        • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
          I can't resist it. Somewhere, I hear the faint voice of a parental-type moderator saying, "Don't make me turn this thread around!"
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          • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
            Originally Posted by mcmahanusa View Post

            I can't resist it. Somewhere, I hear the faint voice of a parental-type moderator saying, "Don't make me turn this thread around!"
            Me too

            EDIT: I'm amazed how this thread turned around.

            I was expecting to see some discussion on the topic but here... nevermind
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            • Profile picture of the author Lance K
              Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

              I was expecting to see some discussion on the topic but here... nevermind
              IMO, there isn't a whole lot to discuss. Most of the people you're talking about won't get it until they get in the trenches and figure out the "why" for themselves.

              It's kind of like a potential gold prospector asking why the guy selling picks & shovels doesn't go out and mine the gold himself.

              There are a number of reasons. And "because there's good money in it" is only one of them. But to a cynic, the only thing that will change their perception (their reality) is experience.
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              • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
                Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

                Me too

                EDIT: I'm amazed how this thread turned around.

                I was expecting to see some discussion on the topic but here... nevermind
                Happy days are here again!

                And, the thread is back on track!

                Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

                IMO, there isn't a whole lot to discuss. Most of the people you're talking about won't get it until they get in the trenches and figure out the "why" for themselves.

                It's kind of like a potential gold prospector asking why the guy selling picks & shovels doesn't go out and mine the gold himself.

                There are a number of reasons. And "because there's good money in it" is only one of them. But to a cynic, the only thing that will change their perception (their reality) is experience.
                Lance, my sentiments exactly.

                There are so many analogies to use that would further drive your point home but you nailed it!

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              • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
                Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

                It's kind of like a potential gold prospector asking why the guy selling picks & shovels doesn't go out and mine the gold himself.
                Bad example.

                The people selling tools to the miners in our case is vBulletin, Adobe, graphic designers, coders, etc...

                The gurus are more akin to the guy selling the map that shows where the gold is. Only problem is, the map is fake.
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                • Profile picture of the author Lance K
                  Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

                  Bad example.

                  The people selling tools to the miners in our case is vBulletin, Adobe, graphic designers, coders, etc...

                  The gurus are more akin to the guy selling the map that shows where the gold is. Only problem is, the map is fake.
                  Yeah, good point. I took the easy way out with that example. Because it's easy to understand. But it did sound kind of cliche, didn't it.

                  I like your example of the map. Though I don't agree about it being fake. In some cases, of course, it is fake. And in others it is not.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I'll tell you why.

    Just because we have it to share. I am a professional guitarist. If I wanted to I could go out and play in clubs every night night and make about 40k per year.

    I dont want to be in clubs every night these days though. I'm not in my twenties anymore, I have aspired to higher ideals...

    One of those is "sharing".

    what if I could instead make my living sharing what I know with other people who want to learn guitar...? What if the guitar becomes their best friend for life and they get to have some cool experiences too as a result?

    What a beautiful aspiration...

    In your 40's you are motivated more by sharing knowledge and experience, knowing that what you pass on is ultimately all that is.

    So making a living from sharing is one reason why people teach what they know... which addresses the question in your title.

    Thanks for inspiring such a great thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      I'll tell you why.

      Just because we have it to share. I am a professional guitarist. If I wanted to I could go out and play in clubs every night night and make about 40k per year.

      I dont want to be in clubs every night these days though. I'm not in my twenties anymore, I have aspired to higher ideals...

      One of those is "sharing".

      what if I could instead make my living sharing what I know with other people who want to learn guitar...? What if the guitar becomes their best friend for life and they get to have some cool experiences too as a result?

      What a beautiful aspiration...

      In your 40's you are motivated more by sharing knowledge and experience, knowing that what you pass on is ultimately all that is.

      So making a living from sharing is one reason why people teach what they know... which addresses the question in your title.

      Thanks for inspiring such a great thread.
      Finally someone understands what I was really trying to say.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    I've taught a lot of people, for different reasons:

    1) I can;
    2) I enjoy it;
    3) I like helping people.

    #1 and #2 are almost always there. I usually get thwarted at #3 the most, because to be honest the vast majority of people I've taught don't have the drive necessary to do what it takes to be successful -- and therefore never develop into any form of serious competition.

    Most people want someone to hand them free money.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    I feel like I'm on an episode of Lost. No matter how far I try to get from this thread I keep slamming back into it b/c the OP has changed the thread title at least four times now. Enough already!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    David,

    If you stop giving it energy and it will die. I feel bad cuz this guys thread is getting irrelevant therefore peoples learning will be stifled.
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    Don't dig for gold, but instead sell the shovels
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

    He does all that and makes $300 his very first month.
    That is the problem right there.

    The marketing for his biz op product certainly will not be:

    "I just started this 4 weeks ago and I made $300. Was it a fluke or something real? Pay me $X for my method and tell me how it works out for you because selling you this crap is my new job so I'll never know!"
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