Big News-Not Everybody is a Flippin' Marketer!!!

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Something that I have found to be more and more common over the past few years, months, days....whatever...has been the excuse of an abundance of competition.

More and more people are discussing how difficult it is to succeed in this industry, because of just how many people are in this field competing.

There are millions of websites so how can my little site make it?

There are millions of internet marketers doing exactly what I do, so how can I succeed.

There is no way I can make money online, because everyone else took all of the opportunities!

What I find even worse is the experienced marketers that come on the forums and state things like "that sales copy or set-up will not work because I DO NOT like long text, videos, exit pop-ups etc etc".

We are not the majority guys....

I have noticed all over most internet marketing forums that alot of people are using this type of stuff as an excuse. They feel that because there are SO MANY webmasters, affiliate marketers, and so on out there that it is impossible or incredbily difficult to break into this industry or field.

I call BS.

And I am even going to take it a step further.

What has happened in many ways is that we have often become a very secluded group of people. We bounce our ideas off of each other, ask questions to each other, share opinions and answers with each other.....but we forget one very important factor:

We are marketers, and there are millions of straight up consumers out there that have no idea what we are talking about, what we do, and how we do it....and they could actually care less.

Let me start this off with a little bit of a story.

I booked it over to the nearby coffee shop for a tuna melt today on my lunch break. I wasnt even hungry, just bored I guess and needed to get up and out of my computer chair. (which is broken and uncomfortable..in case you care)

I ordered my sandwich and then just leaned against the wall and did what I usually do when Im out in public.

I listened.

I noticed to my left these two 30 something year olds eating lunch.

They had their laptops out, all kinds of papers, and so on.

After listening for a bit I realized that they were investment bankers. Educated adults, most likely quite successful at what they do, expensive clothes etc etc.

Then their conversation broke from banking and into something more personal.

One of them had a brilliant idea and he wanted to bring his friend in on it.

(yes I eavesdropped....dont talk openly about your ideas in a public coffee shop if you dont want anyone to listen btw)

After a long spiel about how good this idea was, how they could make a great business plan from it, and how NO ONE is doing it right now...

One of them finally spilled the beans:

"We study how to use facebook and twitter as a social media outlet. We can then create a course on how big businesses can use those websites to promote their brand and then sell the course to major companies".

My jaw dropped on the floor, and I expected the other member of the conversation to reach over and slap they guy and call him an idiot.

Instead...he praised the idea.

The two of them discussed how they had no idea how to use twitter or facebook...but that no one does.

And that NO ONE is using those sites to market properly, and that they can be the first ones to make such a course and teach people how to use those sites.

These guys have no idea what warrior forum is, they dont know that internet marketers even exist, and they sure as heck could care less if they came across a product that they wanted that had long sales copy.

In many ways guys...THESE are the people that make up our target market.

Is this an extreme example? Absolutely.

Is this type of naive misconception common among everyone? Of course not.

But if you think this type of situation or their thought process is an isolated situation...I really think you have to step back and look at the bigger picture.

Not everyone is a marketer, and not everyone thinks, acts, shops, or analyzes things the way that we do.

Not everyone is going to close your page because the video auto-played, not everyone is going to scroll down to the PPPPPPPS part to analyze your final words, and not everyone is going to analyze your site and product pitch down to every, last, minute detail.

They may just want your product, and buy it. Sounds almost too simple for us sometimes, doesnt it?

I guess you could tie this into the idea that you MUST do testing before deciding on how, why, or when a campaign will work.

Simply coming onto this forum, or any other forum, or even just having a mastermind meeting between your marketing friends is not enough.

The fact is that WE do not think or act like the majority of people.

Think about how many times on this forum you have heard people say

"well I hate long sales pages, and those exit pop up ads that offer a discount are such crap. I usually close a sales page just to see if there is a discount before reading it".

Guess what?

That ain't normal.

The majority of the people that we are trying to sell to do not read sales pages so critically, do not care about the things that we care about, and and dont even realize the effort, testing, process that goes into making your landing page, sales copy, website, blog, etc.

Is that a bit of a blanket statement? Absolutely.

If you sell software, wso's, or other marketing stuff then you need to understand how internet marketers think...because they ARE your target market.

I just think it is necessary to point out that this isnt always the case.

Maybe I jumped all over the place within this thread, but I really wanted to discuss these points.

Let's not forget that competition is a good thing.

Let's not forget that rarely is there any market that is too saturated.

Let's not forget that there is FAR more competition in other businesses and industries than ours in many ways.

And Let's not forget to look OUTSIDE of ourselves and our community for input, examples, and opportunity.

Just because a marketing guru or the hordes of warriors on this forum tell you that your sales page, idea, thought process will not work..

doesnt make it so.

Find your target market, ask them the right questions, get their input, and design your idea and sell to them. Then come back to places like this and ask for input.

If you have a product that cures athlete's foot..dont JUST test it on me or the expert warriors.

Test on the people that are strugglign with athlete's foot.

I have more to say...but Im out....
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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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    Excellent post and I agree with you on this.

    Find your target market, ask them the right questions, get their input, and design your idea and sell to them. Then come back to places like this and ask for input.
    You just about summed everything up also. Prime example of what everyone should do - ignore the negativity and take action. And also do not assume everyone is a marketer, different people market differently to different markets.


    I do a lot of surveys and ask my target market what they want before finding a solution to their problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author DrewClement
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      Excellent post and I agree with you on this.

      You just about summed everything up also. Prime example of what everyone should do - ignore the negativity and take action. And also do not assume everyone is a marketer, different people market differently to different markets.

      I do a lot of surveys and ask my target market what they want before finding a solution to their problem.

      Thanks Imran, I appreciate it. I know for a fact that you do a lot of testing before launching anything.

      Instead of test, test,test, and action, action, action. We should be preaching focused testing and targeted action.

      I just think that alot of people misunderstand "testing" and tend to test on people that are not intended to be their final target.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    It's not far harder to make money online today. It's no harder to make money now than it was 100 years ago.

    The fundamentals haven't changed at all.

    Find a customer, sell them something that they're willing to buy at a profit.

    If anything, there are more customers on the internet now than ever before.

    Make Money Online market is sort of crap and played out with the whole, "Here, buy a bunch of crap PLR and make a crap e-book and sell it for a hundreed meeelion dollars."

    But if you're a real businessminded entrepreneur, you shouldn't have any trouble finding opportunity. I watch how many tombstones are released every day for small companies and start-ups getting mad funding.
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  • Profile picture of the author DrewClement
    Originally Posted by Stede Troisi View Post

    It is far harder to make money online today. To say otherwise is denial. Try buying two word websites that have sufficient traffic. Try putting up a ring tone website and see how far it goes. Try to invent a plug-in that nobody thought of yet. Try to compete with 100,000,000 blogs.

    True, it is not impossible, but to say it isn't harder then it was 10, or even 5 years ago is delusional.

    - Stede
    I dont recall anyone stating, as of yet, that it is not harder to make money online than it used to be...but I guess that is besides the point.

    It is harder to make money in the same, old fashioned ways online...but there is actually far MORE opportunity. Alot of people clamor on about having less opportunity, or missing out on the last big thing, instead of looking for the NEXT big thing.

    Instead of doing that, or getting upset that a good two word domain is not available...find something new.

    The online market is bigger than ever...let's grab that and use it to our advantage.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    Very nice report.

    You do very much what I enjoy doing, except many times
    I like to come in to a conversation and introduce myself
    when it's appropriate.

    You nailed it right on the head.

    I'd venture to say that many marketers, even on this forum,
    don't give a damn about the salespage or all that other extra
    stuff people here think is needed to make money online.

    They just know they WANT it.

    As a marketer, I STILL get swept off my feet when I find a
    good deal and a great salespage.

    I might understand the process of making a movie, but it
    doesn't mean I enjoy it LESS. If anything, I appreciate it...

    more.

    So, those who ARE critical or complain about what other
    marketers are doing...wasn't going to buy from that per-
    son anyways. They waste their time and they're not
    hurting anyone but themselves.

    Those people are no different than a unhappy customer.

    So yea, us marketers are simple in nature. And, I know
    I'm not the only one. We sometimes want to make a
    process more complicated than need be, but at the end
    we all go back to the basics of human psychology.

    And yet...lol, we still go through it all anyway.

    The topics on this board hasn't changed for years...but
    it's still of major interest to us. Why? Always searching,
    always growing, always expanding...but always going
    back to being simple human beings.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
    I disagree I don't think it is harder than a few year ago, Its just as easy as any other time .

    Here is my reasoning: Everyone thinks that it is easier because you could just run an adwords campaign at a penny a click and sell 100s no competition.

    The only reason IM and PPC etc seem easier now is because we have everyone Else's experiences and mistakes to learn from. And all the tools we have now i don't think were as easily available as they are today.

    I think whenever people make the argument that it is easier today than ever before they are only looking at the one side, the other side is for every new person to IM i think there is easily a 100 new people to the internet (no basis for that assumption just a guess from personal experience)




    Originally Posted by Stede Troisi View Post

    It is far harder to make money online today. To say otherwise is denial. Try buying two word websites that have sufficient traffic. Try putting up a ring tone website and see how far it goes. Try to invent a plug-in that nobody thought of yet. Try to compete with 100,000,000 blogs.

    True, it is not impossible, but to say it isn't harder then it was 10, or even 5 years ago is delusional.

    - Stede
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Ignoring Stede's negativity (no offense my friend), Drew, the problem, if
      I may say so in a more concise manner (rare for me) is that we live in a
      bubble and can't see outside of it.

      We have forgotten when we first came online and knew nothing.

      We have forgotten that there are normal folks out in the world who just
      want to buy stuff and if we give them options that they find to their liking,
      they will buy.

      Nobody has to beat me over the head when I go looking for a new video
      game to play on my PC. I find a place I trust and go buy it.

      Nobody has to beat me over the head when I go looking for a new DVD to
      watch. Same process.

      Same with just about anything I buy online including books, medical supplies,
      collectibles...even nail clippers.

      But sadly, many Internet marketers won't stop thinking like Internet
      marketers living in that bubble and they'll go on spouting the same old
      tired cliches all the time.

      Long sales copy sucks
      Video sucks (tell that to the millions of YouTube views)

      I could go on and on but it doesn't matter.

      And that's fine. Let the jaded, tunnel vision marketers go on believing
      that it's hard, that nothing works, that they're wasting their time, and I'll
      go on making my money...month after month after month.

      Makes my life a whole lot easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    Originally Posted by Stede Troisi View Post

    It is far harder to make money online today. To say otherwise is denial. Try buying two word websites that have sufficient traffic. Try putting up a ring tone website and see how far it goes. Try to invent a plug-in that nobody thought of yet. Try to compete with 100,000,000 blogs.

    True, it is not impossible, but to say it isn't harder then it was 10, or even 5 years ago is delusional.

    - Stede
    This is the standard excuse that all bad saleman use... my areas played out no one is buying... our competitors have it all sown up i cant make sales

    When i worked offline when ever a salesman said that they usually replaced him in that area with someone like me

    I could tear up that area and double its revenue almost overnight, because I knew the saleman who i was replacing had no clue, and was just an order taker, not a salesman
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  • Profile picture of the author Online Bliss
    It is far harder to make money online today.
    Someone told me long ago to quit making
    excuses, so I quit and moved forward.

    Have some niche markets become saturated?
    Maybe.
    Do we now have access to more tools and useful plug-ins?
    Absolutely.
    My online business is a pendulum
    it swings back and forth and
    most of the time I'm hypnotized. LOL
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