ebooks the great scam?

by Oic
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In my own opinion nearly every product (not all) sold by a top Internet marketers is a load of crap and alot of people do say well.

The big mistake i have done is by buying this product or alot of them! usually they are ebooks or online courses one of the thing which troubles me is that the top internet markets don't really just make their living through selling products they are selling lies now i am fully aware that this is their job and they need that cash but it does aggravate me.

I myself have spent at least over $250 easy on stupid ebook's and courses now don't get me wrong alot of them have good advice but all they are doing is putting hype on the product making a few good sayings and selling it up at a mark up the time they spent on it which is incredible often this is a reason alot of the top Internet markets are dam rich.

I feel they are being feed by the newbie's to Internet marketing and they are the ones who usually buy their products but all the information they give them is online.

Now of course don't get me wrong some products really are good! but the majority or at least in my own experience are stupid and a dam waste of money and i feel they are basically feeding of the newbies who don't know any better.

I would like to know your thoughts on this because personally i feel cheated by these people from when i was new to Internet marketing.
#ebooks #great #scam
  • Profile picture of the author Oic
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    What is it that you expect from an info product?
    Something unique and not full of bull
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Oic,

      I think there are possibly some points that you could have worded better, but let's not get caught up on that -

      Not just in IM ebooks, but in the world in general - if you want to find lies, deception, skullduggery, corruption, extortion, blackmail and all sorts of other abhorrent behaviour designed to make someone a quick and easy profit - you will find it, in abundance.

      Now that we've cleared that up, let's pose some questions -

      a) if there are still some good things left amongst the dross, how do we find/identify them?

      b) alternatively, how can we manage without them, therefore avoiding the risk of purchasing fresh air?

      i feel they are basically feeding of the newbies who don't know any better
      If they are, can we change that or influence it in any way?

      Do we actually want to? Is it wise to?

      If so, how would it be best to do so?

      If not, what else should we concentrate on?
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  • Profile picture of the author JonnyBalfour
    well ive spent alot more money than you on info products from the top gurus and in opinion alot of them have extremely valuable information but the problem is so many people buy these products but never do a thing with them, then just say to themselves that was crap or thats a scam. Although alot them are the same content but just moved about a bit. But all in all ive came along way since i first came online about 3 years ago from buying and implementing IM products.
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    • Profile picture of the author freemen14
      Originally Posted by JonnyBalfour View Post

      well ive spent alot more money than you on info products from the top gurus and in opinion alot of them have extremely valuable information but the problem is so many people buy these products but never do a thing with them, then just say to themselves that was crap or thats a scam. Although alot them are the same content but just moved about a bit. But all in all ive came along way since i first came online about 3 years ago from buying and implementing IM products.
      I agree with Jonny. there are many quality systems out there to find and many great ebooks and wso's which can map your way to making those systems work. the key element in all of this is that it is hard work and don't get fooled with magic button quick cash sales pitch.

      my advice,
      1. Find a system or method you would like to work on. Something you would enjoy
      2. Learn as much as you can about it using ebooks etc
      3. Become a "doer" and not just a "reader"
      4. Stick with it and don't jump from system to system

      This imho anyway.

      Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author tsneds
      Originally Posted by JonnyBalfour View Post

      well ive spent alot more money than you on info products from the top gurus and in opinion alot of them have extremely valuable information but the problem is so many people buy these products but never do a thing with them, then just say to themselves that was crap or thats a scam.
      I agree,I bet if there was someone on the planet who just bought one solid program and ignored all the rest then implemented all the strategies taught they would be pretty successful (hey sounds like what I need to do!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Shane N
    Yes.. eBooks are the "great scam" so to speak. Therefore, everyone should stop learning how to make money online and stop implementing those techniques immediately! (More money for me!)

    Seriously though, you must TAKE ACTION to make money. You can spend a million dollars on eBooks, never take action and never make money!

    If you don't buy a lottery ticket, you can never win the lottery, right? So how do you expect to make money online if you don't TRY?

    Best,
    Shane
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    You don't have to buy their stuff.

    I know people making 6 figures with ebooks - NOT in the IM niche.

    There's a massive market of desperate people wanting a magic bullet for making money online - so there will always be people feeding on them.

    I've spent a LOT more than you on IM stuff - and yes a lot of it was crap.

    Learn your lesson now and you'll save yourself a lot of money.

    The only time you're likely to get ripped-off is when you're buying stuff that isn't part of your business model.

    If you want other people to tell you what to do - you're highly likely to come across people selling that magic bullet.

    I haven't found a bad IM product for a long time -but I only buy things that I already need or just out of interest - in both cases I either learn something new or read someone else's perspective.

    It's only when you're relying on an ebook to build your business that you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Victoralexon
    I have read many IM ebooks over the past year (when I should have been taking action.) I find that I've learned at least something from each single ebook. The ebook may have been quite worthless but it may have put something in a different way or in a simple way or it may just have introduced me to someone or something.

    This may not have been the answer that you were looking for but this is one way to look at it. If you look for the lessons then you will find them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    One man sees a pile of crap, another sees a fortune in fertilizer for his crops.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    What is it that you expect from an info product?
    To pick up the keyboard and do all the work for me....

    What??? Is that too much to expect? lol....
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  • Profile picture of the author Oic
    The problem is when i say this alot of people think im another lazy person. no im not i put what they said into action and results were crap and you have not asked me if i have done that just assumed i am a lazy person which i find another aggravating trait in people who are more experinced in IM

    Alot of these products really are just a load of crap and are very basic
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      You need to learn the basics first, don't you?

      If you are consistently buying a load of crap, maybe you should look into why you are buying. Are you expecting the keys to the kingdom in a $37 ebook?

      I've spent far more than $250 on infoproducts and I've only had one or two that turned out to be total crap. Learn to be more discerning in your buying habits.

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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      Originally Posted by Oic View Post

      Alot of these products really are just a load of crap and are very basic

      Just because something is very basic doesn't make it crap.

      Most of the major internet marketing strategies are very basic.

      It's the people who persist in doing the simple basic things very well and for long periods of time who rise to the top.

      It's a real trap to assume you need more information to succeed in internet marketing.

      In most cases people just need to use the knowledge they already have.

      You have to remember that honest people selling internet marketing courses, ebooks etc just give you the best, most relevant information they can.

      In most cases they don't know that you've bought a dozen other books.

      If they did their advice might be different.

      Kindest regards,
      Andrew Cavanagh
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by Oic View Post

    In my own opinion nearly every product (not all) sold by a top Internet marketers is a load of crap and alot of people do say well.

    I myself have spent at least over $250 easy on stupid ebook's and courses now don't get me wrong alot of them have good advice but all they are doing is putting hype on the product making a few good sayings and selling it up at a mark up the time they spent on it which is incredible often this is a reason alot of the top Internet markets are dam rich.
    Well, you obviously keep buying this "crap", even though you say alot of them have good advice ... but they are still crap.

    So let me ask you ....
    Do you continue to do the same thing over and over and expect different results? If you don't like the ebooks, don't buy them. No one is twisting your arm.

    There is crap and there are good products and it's entirely up to you what you buy. That's what the review section of this forum is for, by the way ... to ask other's opinions of products so that you can get a better idea of it's value before you buy it.
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  • Profile picture of the author reynoldscorb
    That's funny you say they are a "great scam."

    Clearly you are buying the wrong ones because some of the ebooks I've purchased have been great investments.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oic
      Originally Posted by reynoldscorb View Post

      That's funny you say they are a "great scam."

      Clearly you are buying the wrong ones because some of the ebooks I've purchased have been great investments.
      I never stated ALL the ebooks are a great scam

      And @ sbucciarel I dont buy these products anymore.
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
        Your OP says a lot more about you than it does about ebooks.

        I make a healthy full time income on the Internet and in large part that is due to 'crap' I read in ebooks.

        You get out of things about as much as you are prepared to put in.

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    • Profile picture of the author GTCRESSY
      The most important thing in like that you can purchase is knowledge. People can take away everything that you own but they can never take away your knowledge. Think about that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        There are so many issues here, I don't know which one to address first. But
        I am going to do this without dumping on the OP, because believe it or not,
        I understand where he is coming from and his frustration assuming that he
        is not lazy and is not looking for something to do the work for him.

        So having said that, let's begin with the core of the problem.

        1. The Plan

        Most people who are buying info products, especially the ones first starting
        out don't have any kind of a plan. They've heard that they can make money
        online and are looking for something to help them, but they don't know what
        on many levels including what type of book they need or, for that matter,
        what they even want to get into.

        In other words, they're walking through a book store looking for a book on
        cooking when they don't even know what kinds of foods there are to cook
        and haven't eaten anything because they live on water. Yes, I know,
        a sci fi example, but it's essentially what newbies do...totally and utterly
        clueless.

        The lack of a plan to begin with is ultimately going to lead to disaster
        because anything they buy, unless they're very lucky, isn't going to give
        them what they want. Why? Again, they don't know what they want.

        Let's move onto issue number 2.

        2. Product Quality

        This is actually very subjective. Trust me on this. I can show two people
        the same ebook and one will say it's great while the other will say it's crap.

        However, having said that, from my own experience, most ebooks do fall
        into one of these categories.

        A. Excellent - This is an ebook that is very well written and covers the
        subject matter in great detail. Not only that, but it's easy to understand
        and follow. These books are the minority however.

        B. Good - These books are well written and cover the material sufficiently
        but there are little problems such as certain things not explained well
        enough. Usually these books suffer from trying to do too much. I am
        guilty of this quite often. I think the majority of ebooks written by a
        good product creator fall into this category.

        C. Fair - These books have some useful info but usually there are too many
        missing pieces and the books themselves aren't written all that well. In
        order to get something out of them, you already have to be pretty
        knowledgeable about the subject matter or able to pull out the good
        stuff. I'm very good at doing this but it took me years to develop this
        skill. Also, these books tend to have a lot of filler that could have been
        left out.

        D. Poor - These books have almost no redeeming value at all. You will
        be lucky to find one of two nuggets in them. Most of these are very short
        reports and typically thrown together.

        F. Fail - There is no words to describe these books. They are usually
        nothing but bullet points that explain nothing and should have never
        been created in the first place. Yes, I have seen these. Thank God, not
        too many.

        Notice I said nothing about whether or not the info in any of these books
        is in another book.

        Just because something is in a book that you read somewhere else
        doesn't mean it's crap. And this is where we get to number 3.

        3. Expectations

        Imagine your friend says he's fixing you up with a girl. You ask him what
        she looks like and he tells you she's pretty and nice. In your mind, you
        have this vision of Tyra Banks. Instead she looks more like Debbie Morgan,
        who is no ugly chick. But she's no Tyra Banks.

        Here you have a perfectly usable product but because it doesn't meet
        with your expectations, you slam it.

        If you looking for a million dollar miracle out of a $27 ebook, you are
        probably going to be disappointed.

        Nitro Marketing Blueprint is one of the best products I ever got. It's about
        $237. If you expect to get THAT quality and amount of detail out of a $27
        ebook then you really have to take an objective look at your expectations.

        4. Your Own Ability To Learn

        I hate to say this, but I don't care how good a book is. Each person has
        their own learning capacity. I know people who would look at Nitro
        Marketing Blueprint and get nothing out of it because they don't have
        the capacity to learn.

        Is that product then worth $237 to them?

        Probably not. It's no fault of the product and it's not their fault either.

        Not everybody is cut out for this. So when you factor in the ability of
        the person reading the book, that plays a big part in how useful the book
        itself is.

        I've read (supposedly) great technical manuals that were so far over my
        head that I just had to put them down.

        Does that mean they sucked?

        No. It just means I couldn't make use of them. Why?

        Brings us to number 5.

        5. Experience Level

        If you are trying to learn how to do advanced PPC tactics, don't you
        think it would be a good idea to FIRST learn how to research keywords?

        Some stuff out there is SO advanced that the ONLY way you're going to
        get something out of it is IF you have prior training in that area.

        Problem is, with info products, unlike text books in school, you rarely will
        see titles like:

        PPC For Beginners
        PPC For Intermediates
        PPC For Advanced

        There is no freaking regulation in this industry like there is in the school
        systems. So you essentially take your chances with ANY book you get
        because quite honestly, until you open it, you really don't know what
        you're getting and IF it is or ISN'T going to be below, at, or above your
        current learning level.

        And the above 5 things are just the tip of this iceberg. But I'm stopping
        here because I don't want this to turn into a book.

        Bottom Line

        Have a plan. Have some idea of what it is you want to learn FIRST.

        Once you do that, you'll have a better chance of picking something that
        is actually going to help you execute that plan.

        If you buy a book and it doesn't do for you what you expected it to do,
        ask for a refund. The book itself may or may not be good.

        What it isn't is good for you.

        That's all that matters.

        If you have time, leave feedback for the product creator so he can get
        some kind of idea of where his book failed.

        A product creator who actually cares will look to see if he can improve
        his product.

        But ultimately, the consumer has the responsibility to hold the product
        creator accountable.

        Don't like the book? Didn't help you?

        Refund it. It's that simple.

        Now, to answer the OPs question.

        There is good and bad everywhere. I have gotten my share or good ebooks
        and bad ones. The key is taking the good that you find and using it and
        NOT bitching about the bad. It serves no purpose other than to get
        yourself annoyed.

        Don't complain. Do something about it. Stop buying.

        It's really that simple.
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      • Profile picture of the author Spot the Ball
        So there might be stuff in them that has been said before.

        My guess is that most people complaining about them are the ones that read them and then ..... sit there thinking about it for a day or 2 and then go off to buy another .... at this point they think about it again and still do sod all about it.

        Then they complain it doesnt work when in reality they forgot that they might actually have to work and God forbid ... maybe even do a little bit of original thinking for themselves along the way.

        Nothing wrong with ebooks/courses or whatever ... its the people who keep buying them and then complaining ... that need to take a step back and look at their OWN work ethic.

        Edit: I've been as guilty as anybody for just sitting there staring at the screen, getting nothing done ... its when you wake up and tell yourself nothing aint going to change untill you change... thats when the good stuff starts to happen.
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      • Profile picture of the author George Wright
        Originally Posted by GTCRESSY View Post

        To some of the replies and toi the initial person I have to say that you are right about it being just a scam but, there is an old saying: LET THE BUYER BE AWARE!

        Fool me once shame on you.
        Fool me twice shame on me
        Fool me again...What?
        Originally Posted by GTCRESSY View Post

        The most important thing in like that you can purchase is knowledge. People can take away everything that you own but they can never take away your knowledge. Think about that.
        Your two posts cancel each other out.

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        • Profile picture of the author Dellco
          I'll try to cut some slack for the OP.

          Ebooks (or ebook-video packages) are just spins on the same thing, if you're talking about the IM niche. What's new? Nothing.

          Making money online boils down to just a few methods, such as freelancing, serp marketing, milking email lists, advertising, CPA and CPC, membership sites.....and now it is milking Twitter, milking Facebook....what else?

          It is not magical or requires any formulas or magic bullets. The problem lies in the marketing methods that these ebook sellers use. Almost all will say their product is the best one...you don't need another ebook.....guaranteed results....And then of course the package will come with all kinds of names XXX Method....etc.

          Fine, that's marketing. But I guarantee you, within the next couple of months when the product is no longer "hot", that same marketer who sold you the ebook will come up with something "new" and "forget" about his/her previous product. And the circus will start all over again.

          That's one of the reasons why people get jaded and disillusioned.
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      • Profile picture of the author bodhisattva331
        Not true in all markets, although overall authors/writers of eBooks tend to cut more corners as compared to those who publish in print.

        I worked with a successful author who published many books through a traditional publishing company for years and always had well polished final products. The moment he went off on his own and came out with his first eBook it was full of typos, odd sentences structures, etc, it was a mess basically. His take on it was that it was good enough for an eBook. Considering that the cost to put together an ebook is next to nothing, and that corrections and revisions cost next to nothing as well. It's far easier to put together a low quality to mediocre ebook, test the market to see if anyone is interested. If so, improve it when complaints start to come in. If not, move on to the next one.

        I don't see this changing anytime soon. However, in the ebook world, the author is generally more active in his field, has a blog and checks his emails often so a direct follow up and additional support are never too far away. And for when that's not the case, if they're selling through Clickbank, you can almost always get your money back. Which is true of most traditional media as well.
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        • Profile picture of the author jlxsolutions
          I am probably gonna get bashed for this but.
          As for E-books i have DL'ed (Stolen) tons but almost none had anything i didn't know from before.
          Confession incoming..
          Even i have been endorsing kensters WSO i got his PDF the same way first.
          BUT
          It had valuable info info i am willing to pay for so i bought the WSO.
          So i am a criminal scum if you look at me from a legal point of view.
          But id say i am smart as hell in a buying info view.
          If someone sells me a e-book that tells me do PPC and get clickbank.
          and actually does not provide any viable tactics for it it is as worthless as anything if i would have paid for it i would feel the author stole from me.
          Or a E-book promising me millions if i do what he did and in the end its just another make webpages and buy a million visitors or what not i am sure you can come up whit hundreds of examples.
          In the end i have "stolen" tons of E-books and found very few worth it and the ones that have had information that was new i have paid for
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  • Profile picture of the author Oic
    Because i have had a different experince i am automatically wrong?
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    • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
      Believe me, the best way to make money with ebooks IS to have great content, presenting information in a way that specifically targets a buyer who has a desire to achieve a specific result and helps them get closer to (if not actually achieve) that result.

      People who do a poor result at any one of these things...

      1. Targeting their buyer well
      2. Identifying a strong desire for a result
      3. Develop good information that helps their buyer achieve toward that result
      4. Offer a unique perspective on helping that buyer

      ...typically do not do well with ebooks.

      To have a top selling ebook you need excellent marketing, a quality product and some solid champions (happy buyers)...do this and you can both make a very good living with information products AND improve the lives of your buyers.

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    • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
      Originally Posted by Oic View Post

      Because i have had a different experince i am automatically wrong?
      Yes, this could actually be the case.

      I've spent well over 10,000 bucks on products in the IM niche.

      And almost every single one I have learned something from. Not only that, I take even the smallest nugget of information and I see how it can be applied to my business.

      That is why in the last 3 months I have been able to generate 6 figures.

      That doesn't happen do to just purchasing though.

      Oic, I have a question for you...

      Besides just purchasing the books, did you ACTUALLY put REAL effort into working what you learned?

      Meaning...did you try it out, not for a day or two, but for 4 or 5 months...Working, learning, trying, testing?

      Because if you didn't, you have no right to call anything crap

      All you have is yourself to blame for your failure, no one else.

      Rob
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Oic View Post

      Because i have had a different experince i am automatically wrong?
      No, you are automatically not right.

      Something I learned a long time ago with real books is that almost every book on the same subject will cover the same principles and ideas.

      Some very large percentage of every newbie-focused ebook about a given subject... say, blog flipping... is going to have the same stuff in it.

      It's going to tell you how to register a domain, get hosting, install WordPress, and drip-feed posts. It's going to tell you how to raise the traffic and hence the value of that blog. It's going to tell you how to place a listing on some marketplace to sell it. And it's going to tell you how to get a good price for it.

      That's because blog flipping is, in the end, just blog flipping. It all works the same. And you can find that for free, all over the internet.

      But you dig in, and you dig down, and you pay attention... and there's other stuff in there.

      Do you put a "buy it now" price on your blog when you list it, and what should it be?

      Let's say I buy a 50-page ebook about blog flipping that spends half a page talking about this subject, and I paid $97 for it. Everything else in the book, I already know.

      Arguably, I just spent $97 for half a page.

      Was that worth it?

      What if I told you that using this approach made me $300 more than I expected on a blog flip within a month?

      Is it worth it now?

      Just to be clear, this is all hypothetical, and I haven't actually got a half-page BIN guide that will make you an extra $300 on a flip. It's just an example.

      But if it were true, if that really happened, do you honestly think I'm going to be complaining about the 49.5 pages of fluff and filler?

      The key is to find the differences and apply them. I think a lot of people get an ebook like that and go "I know this, I know this, I know this" and by page 30 they're throwing up their hands and yelling "what a waste of my time and money!" before going and demanding a refund.

      Meanwhile, there's an extra $300 on their next blog flip waiting for them on page 42, and they never even saw it. That's not fair to anyone. It's not fair to the vendor, and it's not fair to the customer, and it's not fair to anyone that customer goes and tells "this ebook has nothing of any value in it."

      Most of the value we don't get from our product purchases is because we haven't tried hard enough. That doesn't mean every product has value in it... but I've never bought one that didn't.
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      • Profile picture of the author rjaf
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        No, you are automatically not right.


        ...
        Arguably, I just spent $97 for half a page.

        Was that worth it?
        ...
        This sort of thing has happened to me. I, in effect, spent $47 on a WSO that had a LOT of stuff in it that a previous WSO had covered. BUT... it had a real nugget not in the other WSO and that, to me, ended-up being worth several hundred dollars.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by Oic View Post

          In my own opinion nearly every product (not all) sold by a top Internet marketers is a load of crap and alot of people do say well.

          I would like to know your thoughts on this ...
          Perhaps you're finding what you're looking for? We do tend to find what we expect. It's best to drop your expectations and read with the idea of trying to find every good and useful nugget of information the book offers. You might come away with a different opinion.

          Or...Joe went to see a psychiatrist to discover why he wasn't succeeding in business. $1,500 later the psychiatrist told him it's because he was looking for easy money and didn't really want to do the work a real business required.

          Joe told him he was a liar and stormed out. At this wife's insistence, Joe went to see another psychiatrist. $2,000 later the second psychiatrist told Joe the same thing. Joe stormed out, saying all psychiatrists were scam artists and didn't know anything.

          The truth is though, Joe just didn't want to hear what they had to say. I'm not inferring you're crazy, but perhaps the ebooks simply aren't telling you what you want to hear?

          I've spent a lot more than $250 on ebooks, in fact, I spent $134 on info-products just today to support a charity auction. If I only get ONE nugget from each product that helps in my business, it's money well spent. If you have a business, one new nugget of information you didn't know can mean thousands of extra dollars to you. If you don't have a business, then are you really in a position to judge what is a scam or not? I can't answer that because I haven't read the ebooks you're talking about, but you can, -- after you put into action what the ebooks teach. I don't know you, but a lot of people that complain about products never really put what they teach into full action.

          Also, are you buying the same kinds of ebooks and finding that the information is the same? Maybe you have all the information you need, and it's time to take action. Sometimes we stay in 'learning mode' far longer than need be.

          No offense intended with any of this, but you didn't really offer enough information to make any definitive comments, so all we can do is speculate. Good luck.

          Originally Posted by Dalun View Post

          i dont understand why someone would pay $50 for an ebook when most regular books cost from $10-$25.
          Here are a few reasons:

          1. Print books can take a year or more to get on the market, an ebook can be on the market in days. The information in an ebook may be much more current.

          2. Ebooks are generally more specialized than most print books. Specialized information sells for more.

          3. Print books, in the traditional sense, go through an arduous process of gaining approval. Far more are rejected than are approved for publication. Ebooks can be published without such prohibitive subjectivity, so one can usually find content more suited to individual needs, which again, commands more money.

          4. Because they have found what they wanted. The sales pages help them determine that. I've yet to see a book in a book store wrapped up in a sales page. Sure, there is the back cover and forward, and you can even read the content, but a good sales page arouses the emotions and desire unlike casual browsing will do. In a bookstore, there are hundreds of books staring at you. On a sales page, only one. The exclusivity is an advantage.
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    • Profile picture of the author SantiSantana
      Originally Posted by Oic View Post

      Because i have had a different experince i am automatically wrong?
      No, not necessarily. Still, a hundred bucks say you hand over all of your ebooks to one a many people in this forum. They read them, they put an action plan together based EXCLUSIVELY on the info in there, they hand it over to someone that is willing to take action and that person will make money.

      So the skill you are lacking is how to put it all together and come up with a plan.

      Congratulations, you are in the one forum that will help you learn how to do that, if you are willing to listen and learn, that is.

      PS: I didn´t include the part on TAKE ACTION because it is a given. If you haven´t figured out yet that no ebook will give you a turnkey solution that you plug in and makes you money, you probably need to spend some more money until you realise that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
    If you have spent $250 on ebooks, and still aren't making any money I think the problem may be with the reader and not the author.

    Not all ebooks are worthless or garbage. There is some great stuff out there...

    But the greatest "system" is the one you create through trial and error. If you run a campaign that's a mild success, take everything you did that brought positive results and scale it up. Dump everything you did that brought negative results, and try something new.

    When creating a product, it's impossible to make everyone happy. Heck, when you create ANYTHING it's IMPOSSIBLE to make everyone happy. (Just check out fandango.com some people will love a particular movie, others will hate it.)
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    • Profile picture of the author Oic
      Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

      If you have spent $250 on ebooks, and still aren't making any money I think the problem may be with the reader and not the author.

      Not all ebooks are worthless or garbage. There is some great stuff out there...

      But the greatest "system" is the one you create through trial and error. If you run a campaign that's a mild success, take everything you did that brought positive results and scale it up. Dump everything you did that brought negative results, and try something new.

      When creating a product, it's impossible to make everyone happy. Heck, when you create ANYTHING it's IMPOSSIBLE to make everyone happy. (Just check out fandango.com some people will love a particular movie, others will hate it.)
      I have made money from free information and tips not from ebooks.
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        Of course not every e-book is a masterpiece of wit, wisdom, and magic formulas for getting rich overnight. But even the poorest of them has hidden within it a useful tip. If you take nothing else away with you, then gain the experience of how not to write an e-book.

        If you look for the nuggets, and apply them diligently to your area of interest, you will find the profits you seek. And, as someone said earlier, read the reviews before you buy.

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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
    Reading that post was like trying to do a Sodoku, very confusing. No offense, but maybe you should be more wise with your money. Read the copy, then research the product. If the ebook states some ridiculous claim, don't buy it. If the copy doesn't actually tell you what it's about, don't buy it. Just do a little more reseach and be a little more sceptical.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    I don't get these "I got ripped off" posts.

    The stuff you buy has a money-back guarantee... right?

    Use it... then you're not out anything.

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  • Profile picture of the author harrysidhu
    so many of these threads its sickening, don't buy them lol and if do actually implement whats told in these ebooks simple. I bet the reasons people say there scams is because they wont work for you or you haven't put in enough work, doesn't mean it wont work for someone else.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    $250? You haven't spent anywhere near enough. And as to you being lazy, I know some very rich lazy people. Your problem isn't being lazy. You are very critical and bitter, at least if your words really reflect who you are.

    Maybe we can help. Without naming names or product names, what are the things in Internet marketing you have failed at and what efforts did you make before failing?

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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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    I myself have spent at least over $250 easy on stupid ebook's and courses now don't get me wrong alot of them have good advice but all they are doing is putting hype on the product making a few good sayings and selling it up at a mark up the time they spent on it which is incredible often this is a reason alot of the top Internet markets are dam rich.
    People spend thousands and thousands of dollars on Education and if they fail do they start blaming the University and the teachers?

    I think you need to see the bigger picture. If Internet Marketing is not for you then simply do something else or get a job...

    The people who spend money on products and take action are the ones who will make money.

    Find a business model and stick to it. Stop buying products and ask yourself "is there something out there in the market that I can find a solution to"?

    Internet Marketing is not the only way to make money. Have you tried to experiment with social networking sites? You can use services such as Ning and create your own site and focus on a specific niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dillinger411
      In the beginning I would skim over the information and then begin working through the systems from beginning to end. After working through several information products and not making any money I knew how to:

      1. Build a website
      2. Do Keyword Research
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      4. Register Domains
      5. Run a PPC Campaign
      6. Optimize for Search Engines
      7. Optimize for Social Media
      8. Setup an Autoresponder

      I now earn a full time income doing this work for other clients thanks to information products that I have purchased from the Warrior Forum that were hundreds of dollars cheaper than what other Gurus and Coaches were hawking elsewhere. I'm not getting rich, but I eat well and live in a nice house.

      Make the most of the information in front of you and execute a viable business plan around it (yes, i suggest writing a business plan)
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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    I have no idea what you are talking about, I haven't had to get a job for 3 years because of an ebook I have read.

    Guessing from your post you better start filling applications at local fast food joints. (Hey Can I get Fries with That?)
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  • Profile picture of the author teddy67
    Yes they are a scam if you thik you will get rich just by buying them. Stop buying ebooks and just start implementing what you know.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      I have made money from free information and tips not from ebooks.
      And here we get to the real objection.

      Why does the value of the information depend on the format in which it's presented? Or the price put on it? A given piece of info has a specific value to each person, regardless of those things.

      The trick, as Roger mentioned, is in determining how likely the info is to have value to you, in excess of whatever price in cash or time it took you to get it.

      If the value exceeds the cost of the book and the time needed to implement it, it's a good deal. If the book saves you enough time on your learning curve, that's another factor to consider. And that's not only true for ebooks. It's true for all information sources.

      Most ebooks aren't up to the standards of most print books, simply because anyone can publish electronically. On the flip side, the ability for anyone to publish means there's a lot more good stuff out there, too. It's just not usually as professionally edited or presented.


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  • Profile picture of the author PaulaC
    I agree with the OP. There are some crappy ebooks out there BUT there are also some fantastic ones.

    But isn't that pretty much like everything in life? You are going to get the good and the bad in anything you do. The trick is focusing on the good.

    Out of the many, many, many ebooks I have purchased I have gotten something out of just about all of them. Sometimes it has only been a paragraph in the entire ebook but each little thing has helped me progress to eventually making a full-time income online.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    I bought a spade the other day and I had to take it back to the shop for a refund.

    The funny thing is, the same problem happened with the second spade.

    After the fifth spade failed to do the job, I returned it to the store and asked for a straight refund.

    The store manager asked me... "what exactly are you trying to do with this spade anyway?"

    To which I replied... "I'm trying to build a house"

    "Do you have any plans for the property?" he mused...

    "No, I just know that once it's built, I'll be warm and dry" I replied.

    Moral of the story? I'll let you figure that one out.
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    • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
      Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

      I bought a spade the other day and I had to take it back to the shop for a refund.

      The funny thing is, the same problem happened with the second spade.

      After the fifth spade failed to do the job, I returned it to the store and asked for a straight refund.

      The store manager asked me... "what exactly are you trying to do with this spade anyway?"

      To which I replied... "I'm trying to build a house"

      "Do you have any plans for the property?" he mused...

      "No, I just know that once it's built, I'll be warm and dry" I replied.

      Moral of the story? I'll let you figure that one out.
      you mean the spade didn't just magically fly around and build the house for you? What a scam!
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    There seems to be a lot of negativity around here lately. 9 times out of 10 it is not the info presented nor the format, but the end user's issues with taking the info and turning it into personal results. It took me much time and money before this little tidbit finally clicked for me. Instead of saying this or that is a scam, how about asking questions, using the answers and making yourself some money in the process?
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  • Profile picture of the author USGTMauthor
    I have sold a few ebooks and I have noticed that 100% of the people that don't follow the techniques in my ebooks do not get results. I am doing a beta test of my latest ebook and gave a bunch away. Lots of people downloaded it promising to use the techniques and present a review. Several I have never heard from again, but I have also received some absolute gems of feedback from people who are closer to their goals after following the techniques.

    I agree some stuff is over hyped but a lot of ebooks will contain at least some useful advice. The one thing I do not like is an ebook which costs money being a teaser for something else. If someone pays, give them value.
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  • Profile picture of the author markament
    I have bought my share of courses and info products online. Some have been very valuable while others a waste. What's great is that most of the products I've purchased come with a minimum 60 day money back guarantee. I always use that if I don't feel the product delivered what it promised.

    I remember buying one very popular product that people rave about from 2 excellent and well respected affiliate marketers. It simply didn't work for me when I bought it and I got a quick refund. 2 years later I purchased a similar product from the same guys and still use it daily. So you never know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    I have found even the most over hyped products and courses tend to have SOMETHING in them worth value. Something I didn't know before. Something I can bank on.

    Very rarely have I ever purchased something that I knew literally everything they talked about. And if so, I asked for a refund (if it was terribly bad) or I just went on my merry way.

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  • Profile picture of the author straightenersale
    Seriously though, you must TAKE ACTION to make money. You can spend a million dollars on eBooks, never take action and never make money!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dalun
    i dont understand why someone would pay $50 for an ebook when most regular books cost from $10-$25.

    seems like a big waste of money to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author GTCRESSY
    To some of the replies and toi the initial person I have to say that you are right about it being just a scam but, there is an old saying: LET THE BUYER BE AWARE!

    Fool me once shame on you.
    Fool me twice shame on me
    Fool me again...What?
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  • Profile picture of the author relicah
    witch ones you recon i should stay clear of? and yeah iv had alot of bad experiences; but some are great
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  • Profile picture of the author kos818
    Originally Posted by Shane Natan View Post

    Seriously though, you must TAKE ACTION to make money. You can spend a million dollars on eBooks, never take action and never make money!
    Totally agree with that.

    Btw: Imran was first ;-) This is what I have had in mind! I spend thousands and thousands while getting educated at different universities (and it is nearly free in Germany!). Why? Because I gave up my J.O.B. before and spend loads of time learning something I might never ever use in my life again.

    The problem with making money online is, that everybody expects it to be the fast track. I'm earning my living online for years. Most of it I spend with freelancing and didn't make to much and I'm still far far away from financial freedom.

    I failed twice graduating from my former universities. The problem wasn't in the book, but in my lifestyle. I traveled, worked everywhere and took care of my own business, but was expected to go to school each and every day. I made my choice, but I took the plunge on some day and told the dean of my department, that I won't pay 500€ tuition (as said, damn cheap) and won't come back to Germany for a couple of months for getting my degree. I never looked back.

    Make your decision, but DO SOMETHING.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
    Some great advice here.

    This is exactly what I have been trying to preach. Everyone comes to the internet expecting easy riches when in reality it takes a DAMN lot of effort just to wrao your mind around all the possibilities.

    If no one minds me saying, the Warrior Forum is a melting pot for confusion.

    The WSO section has myriads of offers for almost all the different types of Internet Marketing niches - List Building, Keyword Research, SEO, Article writing, Sales Copy writing, Blogging - and all the plugins required, Traffic Driving... Need I say more?

    My best advice would be to get a handle on the many forms in internet marketing.

    Don't buy stuff, just 'read between the lines' - Examples?

    When you go to squeeze pages, check how they are monetising the website.

    When you do google searches, find out how and why they are ranking

    When you sign up to a subscription, pay attention to how you are being marketed to.

    Again, the list could go on. But its not impossible.

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  • Profile picture of the author niffybranco
    Originally Posted by Oic View Post

    In my own opinion nearly every product (not all) sold by a top Internet marketers is a load of crap and alot of people do say well.

    The big mistake i have done is by buying this product or alot of them! usually they are ebooks or online courses one of the thing which troubles me is that the top internet markets don't really just make their living through selling products they are selling lies now i am fully aware that this is their job and they need that cash but it does aggravate me.

    I myself have spent at least over $250 easy on stupid ebook's and courses now don't get me wrong alot of them have good advice but all they are doing is putting hype on the product making a few good sayings and selling it up at a mark up the time they spent on it which is incredible often this is a reason alot of the top Internet markets are dam rich.

    I feel they are being feed by the newbie's to Internet marketing and they are the ones who usually buy their products but all the information they give them is online.

    Now of course don't get me wrong some products really are good! but the majority or at least in my own experience are stupid and a dam waste of money and i feel they are basically feeding of the newbies who don't know any better.

    I would like to know your thoughts on this because personally i feel cheated by these people from when i was new to Internet marketing.
    I hope you feel the same way about bottled water
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  • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
    Two things

    1. You have been a WF member for over 1,5 years and only made 3 posts before you started this thread ( 5 posts in this thread ). People who collectively and individually have made fortunes have given you such great advice. Should you not have added value yourself before using this forum insult ebooks which is in many ways the life blood of IM.

    2. You have spent $250 on material yet in your 1,5 years no the forum you have not seen enough value to join the warroom for $37. So I wonder have you ever fully utilized this forum? which is free. If not no matter how much you paid no information or software can help you as you do not use what you have.

    This is not an argumentative post just I feel strongly about destructive negativity.




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    I myself have spent at least over $250 easy on stupid ebook's
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Sanchez
    From my own experience I can say that there is a lot of repetition out there. The reason is that if you are providing information to a newbie, you have to start from scratch. Starting from scratch entails showing the newbie how to do the basics which has very little variation on how to start.

    The variations come when it comes to niches, products, and marketing styles.

    My expectation from an internet marketing ebook as I think you are referring to is that I will get 1-3 new pieces of information, that's it. Experience will temper your expectations and point you to the good stuff.

    Good Luck
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  • Profile picture of the author maleeqa
    Hi,

    Its depend on what you want and how you see the product.

    Most of the products were not scams. It is how we digest the info and implemented all the information concluded in the ebook.


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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    Simple ebooks are created to get you into the sales system they are not designed to give you everything in one little ebook

    Understanding the dynamics and the sales process are the one thing that will bring anyone success, most ebooks are tidbits, small windows on the subject to create a want and need in the market place

    The fact you (and many others) dont understand the thought process's and the links to good marketing that ebooks produce is your (and thier) main problem.

    This is why learning the trade of selling and marketing is the (or should be) first step

    Trying to make money and sales using someone elses process without first learning the basics of selling and marketing is a killer. And the main reason why you get these "everything is a scam" threads

    Pretty much no one is going to get this following a plan blindly, you have to understand the steps, not just learn them parrot fashion. Understanding why they work...not how they work is a fundamental skill that can only come with trial and error... OR A GOOD COACH

    Option A can work but usually just leaves people failing...Becuase they can never get over the "just give me instructions I can follow instructions" mentality

    Option B is expensive on the face of it, but usually means you cut out the bad experiances

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  • Profile picture of the author charleshopeful
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    I don't know, maybe some of them are a scam--but honestly, the two that I've bought since joining up here have been really helpful for a newbie like me. There is so much information floating around here that I needed something to take me along and show me how it all fit together.

    The $14 I paid for this "tour guide" was well worth the price to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author CJ.Online
    A lot of Ebooks are crap, generally the ones you pay for. But the best way to learn is by getting all the free Ebooks you can from the smaller guys running their own personal blogs... not the gurus.

    And yeah, the little guys are going to recommend you buy a domain name and hosting through their affiliate link, because it is necessary that you have a site to make money the way they do, in most cases. But most of the info in their Ebooks is legitimate.

    Free Ebooks are the way to go!
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  • Profile picture of the author tyroneshum
    Even if you've bought a lot of high-end products, it will no longer take effect if you just continue to absorb them and suffer from information overload. Thus, the only way to break the barrier is to choose what you feel is the best and then take action from it. Best, model it!
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  • Profile picture of the author HJWakelin
    I listened to an audio by Lee McIntyre that claims building a list is a big lie. We should be building a responsive buying list instead...
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    • Profile picture of the author HJWakelin
      Don't buy.Download all the free e-books offered via your email or you've subscribed to,related to your topic(s), those fields that you want to be successful in,try them out, see if they work. If they don't, you have lost any money, only time.


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  • Profile picture of the author Ellen Violette
    Originally Posted by Oic View Post

    In my own opinion nearly every product (not all) sold by a top Internet marketers is a load of crap and alot of people do say well.

    The big mistake i have done is by buying this product or alot of them! usually they are ebooks or online courses one of the thing which troubles me is that the top internet markets don't really just make their living through selling products they are selling lies now i am fully aware that this is their job and they need that cash but it does aggravate me.

    I myself have spent at least over $250 easy on stupid ebook's and courses now don't get me wrong alot of them have good advice but all they are doing is putting hype on the product making a few good sayings and selling it up at a mark up the time they spent on it which is incredible often this is a reason alot of the top Internet markets are dam rich.

    I feel they are being feed by the newbie's to Internet marketing and they are the ones who usually buy their products but all the information they give them is online.

    Now of course don't get me wrong some products really are good! but the majority or at least in my own experience are stupid and a dam waste of money and i feel they are basically feeding of the newbies who don't know any better.

    I would like to know your thoughts on this because personally i feel cheated by these people from when i was new to Internet marketing.
    I have spent thousands of dollars on courses and ebooks in the last 6 years and while most have been valuable there are have been a few that were not what I needed, were over-hyped, or were just plain useless. But the way it works is that you create a funnel of products and as the price goes up the value of the information should too.

    eBooks are a low-cost entry-point product that should introduce you to the information and give you some ways to get started implementing it. But if you want to go deeper you are going to pay more than $27 to get it. And as other's have mentioned in this thread, you also have to take action and implement to get the value out of it.

    Also some people can take an ebook follow it and great great results. Other's need more hand-holding.

    But having said that, find reviews of ebooks from people who have actually read them, or follow up with buyers from testimonials on the sales page. See what they say about them. Some ebooks will give you a whole process to use. Some will give you the basic stuff but if you want the details you'll have to buy a more detailed course. And others are just a sales pitch-and those SHOULD be free.

    eBooks are not a scam but the author could be ignorant of how to price his or her ebook or maybe they are betting you won't actually read it anyway, or you'll be too intimidated to ask for a refund. So if you get one that's just a sales pitch and you paid for it-ask for a refund!

    I hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author rjaf
    Unlike the OP, I have found that 9/10 times the IM-related e-books/courses I have bought have been useful. There is, inevitably, a lot of commonality between them, but most (for the tiny price) have been worth the fee.

    Some have been worth a lot more than the price, such as Sean Donahoe's products.

    That is almost the exact opposite experience I have had buying training materials to stay ahead of the competition in my "day job" as an IT consultant.

    There are gigantic IT companies out there with very fancy-sounding names for their training facilities, e.g. Megacorp University. These cost thousands of dollars a week to attend. And they are, in reality, worth tens of dollars. Really. Oh. And you have to attend thesecruddy training courses to get the certs. Passing the exams is not enough. You want scams? They got 'em.
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  • Profile picture of the author sudarshan
    Some ebooks are way too good and some are bad. Its for us to decide before buying them.
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  • Originally Posted by Oic View Post

    ebooks the great scam?
    Have you ever thought that perhaps you're not cut out for this business?
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    • Profile picture of the author jlxsolutions
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      Have you ever thought that perhaps you're not cut out for this business?
      Amen that was in a way i wanted to say whit my confession post.
      In the marketing world your either the buyer or the seller or the MITM.
      Same rule is in everything you do if you get into something and cant see passt things you are putting your self up for abuse.
      I seen ppl Actually Believing TV advertising.......
      Its no different here lemme put up a web page about making 10K a month by 5 steps i,m sure i could sell at least a minimum 500 copies but as i cant promise anything so i will not do it.
      Even i have the knowledge to make the book lol i HATE lying ..
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