A Sure Fire Way To LOSE $9000!

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Hey Warriors,

Yesterday I just to see my accountant. Today he notified me that I actually owe the government $9000 because I haven't been paying my tax properly all year.

Oh well, easy come easy go!

My advice to anyone here would be to get a good accountant, and not only get one but USE his/her services too especially if you are experiencing rapid growth in your business. It isn't always about making money, its also about keeping what you've already got.

Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Yes!

    As soon as you start making any kind of steady money - get your tax strategy in place.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
    If it's not too personal, any advice on what you were doing wrong so others can look out for it?
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    • Profile picture of the author hugofortin
      Hi,

      Thanks for the advise. I will take good note of it.

      bye

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      • Profile picture of the author entrepenerd
        One smart thing that I heard a long time ago is to setup a separate bank account just for taxes. Everytime you collect a payment of some sort take 30% of that and put it into that separate bank account. That way you'll have the money set aside that has to go to the government.

        You'll still need to make sure you're making quarterly payments if you're required and what not, but at least the money will not be spent before you get to the end of the year and then get that dreaded tax bill.
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        • Profile picture of the author matthewd
          Originally Posted by entrepenerd View Post

          One smart thing that I heard a long time ago is to setup a separate bank account just for taxes. Everytime you collect a payment of some sort take 30% of that and put it into that separate bank account. That way you'll have the money set aside that has to go to the government.
          That's a good tip that I have been planning to implement for a while. It would be smart to do WAY more than 30% though... going to have to do about 50-60% once the future president raises the taxes.
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      • Profile picture of the author RGallowitz
        It's actually pretty difficult to work out tax for online practices, especially affiliate marketing. My government sees it a bit differently. The biggest problem is cutting tax expense by working out your online spending, but it has to be geared towards your business. Can become quite confusing.
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  • Profile picture of the author mario2001
    Banned
    Thanks a lot for your advise.


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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Bogowski
    Of course the amount of tax will vary my country. It's all about the deductions. You can reduce your tax by claiming EVERYTHING as a business expense:

    - Internet
    - Domains
    - Hosting
    - Autoresponder
    - Outsourcing
    - Product purchases
    - Electricity (if you work at home)

    In my case I just didn't anticipate it being so high. On the plus side it means that I made a lot more money this year so I can't really complain.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Mike Benkovich View Post

      Of course the amount of tax will vary my country. It's all about the deductions. You can reduce your tax by claiming EVERYTHING as a business expense:

      - Internet
      - Domains
      - Hosting
      - Autoresponder
      - Outsourcing
      - Product purchases
      - Electricity (if you work at home)

      In my case I just didn't anticipate it being so high. On the plus side it means that I made a lot more money this year so I can't really complain.
      Wait!

      Be VERY careful about that kind of blanket tax advice from anyone.

      You ARE NOT automatically allowed to make all of the above deductions.

      You can only claim utilities, housing expenses, etc. IF and ONLY IF you are using that part of your home EXCLUSIVELY for business purposes. Have your 'work' computer in the TV room, and watch from your 'work' area? Sorry.

      I use a laptop and work in my living room, or the spare room - both of which have another purpose - so I do NOT claim those deductions, because I am not entitled to them. I have had several people tell me that I should anyway, and I tell them that I take all of the deductions I have coming to me, but don't believe in tax fraud.

      So, you may be able to claim the above deductions, and you may not. If your accountant EVER suggests that you can just take them, without asking for specifics, then you could be headed for serious trouble.

      You think $9000 is bad? Try to make a false claim.

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    Michael, I understand your electricity argument, but why can't you deduct expenses for hosting, domains, outsourcing etc?????
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by RGallowitz View Post

      Michael, I understand your electricity argument, but why can't you deduct expenses for hosting, domains, outsourcing etc?????
      First, I just noticed that Mike is from Australia, so it could be different - and he admits that it is different in other countries.

      Second, my point was mainly about that one item, but as an example that bad tax advice is thrown around all the time.

      In general you can take deductions for the things you mention, but there is a way to do that too.

      My main point was to get people to think twice about claiming deductions based on what anyone (including me) but a qualified professional says is acceptable. But, in a way, I think Mike and I are trying to do the same thing by reminding people to be aware of the tax implications of earning online.

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  • Profile picture of the author RGallowitz
    I think I need to sit down with my accountant and re-evaluate my deductions. But I don't deduct electricity though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Bogowski
    @Michael Oksa

    Yep, you make very valid points and I definitely do not condone tax fraud. Also, this thread in no way constitutes professional advice and the circumstances will be different for everybody. Speak to your accountant if you require further advice.

    In Australia you are able to make tax deduction on things that you use for business. I work at home so I can deduct a small portion of my utility bill, office furniture that type of thing. Any website related stuff is all used as a business expense.

    As always, if you seek more advice go and get yourself a [good] accountant.
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    Get yourself a good a CPA, you will save yourself a lot of money in the log run.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    You need to get someone who knows what he or she is doing. Some have no clue. If you are looking for a cheap accountant it is like getting a cheap contacter to work on your house. They MAY not know what they are doing and may run away with your money.

    You need to find someone who is well known. Even if you pay a little more money, it is much better.

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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
    I don't understand how you lost $9000. Wouldn't you have had to pay that anyway, regardless of whether you were making quarterly payments or just paying annually?

    Or are you saying you owe $9000 more than you otherwise would have?
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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    I put 20% into a seperate account which is used to pay tax arrears.

    In NZ you can deduct quite a bit related to your business so I just let my accountant take care of that and he just tells me how much I have to pay.

    Hopefully with the 20% set aside I'm not too short when it comes to paying the bill (although it kind of sucks seeing all that money sitting in my bank account knowing it's there just to go to the government because I'm sure I would have more fun spending it!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    I pay quarterly. Makes things much easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    In the US, once your business makes above a certain threshold you are required to prepay monthly via the electronic system.

    Sucks, but keeps things up to date at least.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
    I've been able to earn more by having my tax money available throughout the year, even if part is just in a high-interest savings account, than the interest penalty due for not making quarterly payments. Plus the dollars I pay at the end of the year are worth less than when I earned them, so putting off payment of taxes as long as possible saves in inflation-adjusted terms as well.

    But as has been said, seeing $50,000 or so go poof all at once at the end of the year can be a *little* depressing :p

    P.S. While we're on the topic of tax issues you may forget about, USE TAX. That's what sales tax is called when it's not paid at the time of purchase, and every state that charges sales tax has use tax. If you are buying books on Amazon, training CDs on clickbank, or anything else without paying sales tax, you're legally required to remit that sales tax to the state yourself. And once you start filing income from a business with the state, most of them keep track of who hasn't paid any use tax in the last X years and audits those people/companies. So if you're not paying it, it'll catch up to you too.
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