Shocking News About Ezine Articles Authors!

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I always see debates on forums whether article marketing works or not. Maybe this will help end the debates, or not. Either way this might be a fun thread. Here is my opinion...

Article Marketing DOES NOT WORK!

OK, before I stir up too much trouble I should say that article marketing doesn't work for MOST people. How did I come to this conclusion? I recently did a study over at Ezine Articles and here is what I found out.

At the time of my study Ezine Articles had 116,274 members.

Out of 116,274 members 97,577 have written 10 articles or less and a good percentage of those people have written only one or two articles.


So what does this tell me? Well, to me it looks like at least 84% of all people who try article marketing are doing it wrong. They don't make any money and give up after writing ten or less articles. {edit} The previous statement that "they don't make any money" is just a guess on my part. Of course, I don't know this as fact {end edit} If they made money wouldn't they keep writing? Are they just lazy? Then they go to the forums and tell others that article marketing doesn't work. Of course, someone who is successful always comes back and says,

"It works if it's done right". I totally agree!

What are your thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author SuzanneH
    What are my thoughts? That you've just released a WSO on article marketing! ;-)

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Montgomery
      eggzactly!!

      Originally Posted by SuzanneH View Post

      What are my thoughts? That you've just released a WSO on article marketing! ;-)

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    • Profile picture of the author Bob Monie
      Originally Posted by SuzanneH View Post

      What are my thoughts? That you've just released a WSO on article marketing! ;-)

      Suzanne
      and my thoughts are that your secretly working with John to help people realize hes released a wso. hehe j/k
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
    Maybe they realized that you get much, much more value, both immediate and long-lasting, by writing a few very good articles for specific high-authority and high-traffic sites or publications than submitting dozens of mediocre regurgitations to "article directories".

    Real "marketing gurus" would never write anything for a text dump like EZA.

    Filling the web with noise is not a business plan.

    But apparently there's a big difference between how people market outside the "selling to other wannabe internet marketers" niche that so much of this forum targets.
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    • Profile picture of the author Simon_Sezs
      Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

      Maybe they realized that you get much, much more value, both immediate and long-lasting, by writing a few very good articles for specific high-authority and high-traffic sites or publications than submitting dozens of mediocre regurgitations to "article directories".
      I completely agree. The reason why most newbie marketers do this is because it is cheap (free) and anyone can do it. Plus, given the fact that nearly every marketer on this forum suggests it (and they happen to have a product to show you how) doesn't really help either.

      Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

      Real "marketing gurus" would never write anything for a text dump like EZA.
      Then again, real marketing gurus don't do half the things that are suggested to the herd of wanna-be's. Best case scenario is that they find the how-to's out for themselves as they cruise down the path. Worst case? They go out and "advertise" the same old same old that doesn't work all that well so more newbie marketers can follow down the same path.


      Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

      Filling the web with noise is not a business plan.

      But apparently there's a big difference between how people market outside the "selling to other wannabe internet marketers" niche that so much of this forum targets.
      Yeah, it seems like everyone and their uncle are intent on becoming the "next big make money" wonder. What they fail to realize is that the world is so much bigger than that and the real money isn't even in the make money niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author gamefreak
      Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post


      Real "marketing gurus" would never write anything for a text dump like EZA.

      Filling the web with noise is not a business plan.
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      I differ with that. You could be a guru and just outsource the article marketing to ghostwriters.
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  • Profile picture of the author lakelover
    I understand your what you are saying, and since I am fairly new to article marketing, I can understand how tedious it can be to write articles, and I have been told that you need to write at least 20 (min), and I am on 16..I am getting a ton of views, and some url clicks. My point is, for a newbie, 20 articles seems like a lot, when I first started it would take me a half a day to try to come up with something that is original content. I go to the library and check out books etc...

    I personally think that what you are saying is true, that the masses will post a few articles and never attempt it again. That could be laziness or sometimes lack of self confidence, or plain and simple, lack of focus. I know I suffer from that from time to time.
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  • Profile picture of the author getmorebuyers
    I think that Ezinearticles has made it harder for people to stay motivated. Now they are charging a $90 plus monthly fee if you want your article to be approved faster. Otherwise, it takes up to 7 days to get approved if you don't sign up for the premium membership. I do write and submit to ezinearticles, but I have started to use other high PR article directories.
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    • Profile picture of the author lauraajel7
      Originally Posted by getmorebuyers View Post

      I think that Ezinearticles has made it harder for people to stay motivated. Now they are charging a $90 plus monthly fee if you want your article to be approved faster. Otherwise, it takes up to 7 days to get approved if you don't sign up for the premium membership. I do write and submit to ezinearticles, but I have started to use other high PR article directories.
      I am Platinum member at EzineArticles and the article that I submitted yesterday is already approved so it takes less than 24 hours if you are platinum member. It was actually very easy to get to Platinum. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author dclodge
        Originally Posted by lauraajel7 View Post

        I am Platinum member at EzineArticles and the article that I submitted yesterday is already approved so it takes less than 24 hours if you are platinum member. It was actually very easy to get to Platinum. :rolleyes:
        I am not a platinum member and I am just around the 20 article point - the last 3 articles i posted were live in 3 days - so things are improving around EZA

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  • Profile picture of the author Franck Silvestre
    It's normal that they stopped after submitting 2 articles only!

    Here are some of my article marketing results:

    1) Multiple first page on Google for my sites (Page 1 for more one year for the keyword: affiliate marketing - now I'm on page 2...)

    2) Thousands of dollars of sales (affiliate sales + my own products)

    3) Making monthly commissions with 20 articles in a niche that I don't even bother about. Still commission are pouring it. I didn't write any article in this niche for months.

    I pay all my bills!

    Article marketing doesn't work?

    I wouldn't say so. I'd say that it's not for the faint of heart. I'm sure that during your researches, you've seen that people are now submitting as much as 10+ articles per day!

    All the best,

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  • Profile picture of the author Evita
    Nah,

    It only proves that most people are quitters.

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  • Profile picture of the author mbealmear
    I am for article marketing! I think that it is a great way to establish yourself to the market.
    Writing articles most of the time makes you an expert or an authority in the eyes of the reader, therfore the learn to trust you. A person that trusts what you are telling them to be true and informational will be easier made into a customer because they already know your style and feel they know you personally.
    And lets face it....are you more likely to buy from someone that you already know or a complete stranger?
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    • Profile picture of the author Hamida Harland
      I always see debates on forums whether article marketing works or not. Maybe this will help end the debates, or not.
      It won't - there are debates like this at least once a week. I think there's more than enough proof out there that article marketing works - not everyone is willing to put in the work though.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Piteo
        Originally Posted by Hamida Pall View Post

        It won't - there are debates like this at least once a week. I think there's more than enough proof out there that article marketing works - not everyone is willing to put in the work though.
        That was my point, these debates come up once a week and the real conclusion is article marketing definitely does work if you are willing to work and if you do it right. Otherwise why waste your time like those other 100,000 people did?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
    You don't know they wasted their time or that they gave up, only that they stopped putting articles on that particular site.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Piteo
      Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

      You don't know they wasted their time or that they gave up, only that they stopped putting articles on that particular site.
      Your right Dan, I don't know that they wasted their time. If nothing else, I'm sure they've learned something from their experience. Or maybe they weren't even writing to make money. Some people write just because they like to do it.

      Also, if they've found someplace as good as or better than Ezine Articles I wish they'd let me in on it. I've been searching since 2005 and haven't found anywhere that comes close to Ezine Articles.

      There is one directory that produces better results for me than Ezine Articles, but only for one niche and that's SearchWarp.com.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
      Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

      You don't know they wasted their time or that they gave up, only that they stopped putting articles on that particular site.
      Exactly. Maybe they just wrote a couple articles on a lark. Maybe they ran out of ideas for more articles. Maybe they found a better way to promote their stuff. Maybe they wrote 100 articles but only a few have been approved. Maybe they just started yesterday. Maybe they have more articles under another name. Maybe the stats you're looking at are wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Piteo
      Originally Posted by alexa_s View Post

      No different from any other sort of home-based business attempts, then, really ...
      You're exactly right Alexa. In fact, I think article marketing has a higher success rate than most other online businesses. I don't know this as a fact, but I'm sure you've heard that 95% to 97% of all people who try online marketing fail. So if the 84% of people who quit after writing 10 or less articles is any real indication (I don't know if it is) of a success to failure ratio then it would appear a larger percentage of people are successful with article marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    Ummm, no surprise here. There's BOUND to be such a high volume of people who dip their toes...but only 5% of people actually make an honest go of it in life, just like any walk of business.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    I'm yet to see an article by john reese or mike filsaime or frank kern or jason moffat or ...
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    • Profile picture of the author Hamida Harland
      Originally Posted by gareth View Post

      I'm yet to see an article by john reese or mike filsaime or frank kern or jason moffat or ...
      You wouldn't find any articles under my name either - doesn't mean I haven't got articles out there though. Most people use pen names.
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    • Profile picture of the author marcanthony
      Originally Posted by gareth View Post

      I'm yet to see an article by john reese or mike filsaime or frank kern or jason moffat or ...
      Don't think for a second that they don't have some articles over there. It may be under another pen name but, they have articles over there.

      John Reese does for sure... You can look it up
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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Originally Posted by marcanthony View Post

        Don't think for a second that they don't have some articles over there. It may be under another pen name but, they have articles over there.

        John Reese does for sure... You can look it up
        I am far from the level that Reese and Filsaime are at...but you don't see any articles there from Allen Graves either. But I have articles-a-plenty submitted and quietly doing work for me "under cover." LOL

        It wouldn't surprise me, though, if some of the "big-time" marketers out there (not Filsaime or Reese) do not have a single article submitted anywhere. So many of them say what the OP says - "Article Marketing Works - If You Do It The Right Way" - but none of them even come CLOSE to telling those people what the right way is. So I quietly laugh and wonder to myself if they really know what they're talking about when it comes to AM.

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  • Profile picture of the author ItsMoneytime
    I always wondered about article marketing and whether it would be worth a shot. Or rather was it worth the time.

    How do you know when an article is done right if you can't write an effective article?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Piteo
    Originally Posted by Hamida Pall View Post

    You wouldn't find any articles under my name either - doesn't mean I haven't got articles out there though. Most people use pen names.
    Same here.


    Originally Posted by ItsMoneytime View Post

    I always wondered about article marketing and whether it would be worth a shot. Or rather was it worth the time.

    How do you know when an article is done right if you can't write an effective article?
    You would need to know how to write interesting and informative articles, but that is only part of the process. An even bigger part of the process is how the article is marketed. How you choose which products to promote, proper keyword research, How and where your articles are submitted, your linking strategy, effective landing pages, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Carl Pruitt
    Even when something works, 98% of the people are not going to
    carry through it. Just the way life is. 20% of the people produce
    80% of the results and most of that comes from the top 2%.

    That being said, Ezinearticles is used by a lot of people who
    aren't internet marketers, but simply experts in their field
    trying to promote themselves. Sometimes it doesn't take that
    many articles to accomplish that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    That's a huge assumption because it could be that people:

    a. do not have the time
    b. do not track results


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  • Profile picture of the author JonathanBoettcher
    I think most people quit too soon. I would imagine that some of those articles don't even have links back to the author's sites, much less sales/squeeze pages, yet there are people out there flogging article marketing because it didn't work for them...
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    My thoughts are that you have come to a reasonable conclusion...FOR EZA AUTHORS. This couldn't be further from the truth, though, at other article directories that I know of.

    EZA is not the tell-all of the article marketing world. You should run your tests over ALL of the article directories before making blanket statements.

    Sorry...I'm just sayin.

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    • Profile picture of the author John Piteo
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      My thoughts are that you have come to a reasonable conclusion...FOR EZA AUTHORS. This couldn't be further from the truth, though, at other article directories that I know of.

      EZA is not the tell-all of the article marketing world. You should run your tests over ALL of the article directories before making blanket statements.

      Sorry...I'm just sayin.

      AL
      AL Your right, my statements were made based only on the stistics that I've found at EZA. Maybe my question should be, what is your opinion on why almost 100,000 authors out of 116,000 at EZA have never submitted more than 10 articles?
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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Originally Posted by John Piteo View Post

        AL Your right, my statements were made based only on the stistics that I've found at EZA. Maybe my question should be, what is your opinion on why almost 100,000 authors out of 116,000 at EZA have never submitted more than 10 articles?
        PERFECT!

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      • Profile picture of the author Franck Silvestre
        Article marketing is hard work, that's why people give up I think. They submit a couple of articles and don't see any profits... after 20 hours spent in front of the computer for research and writing.

        They just stop!

        Originally Posted by John Piteo View Post

        AL Your right, my statements were made based only on the stistics that I've found at EZA. Maybe my question should be, what is your opinion on why almost 100,000 authors out of 116,000 at EZA have never submitted more than 10 articles?
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      • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
        Interesting that you claim to know why people quit posting articles there. Maybe, they have another way of using article marketing. Rather than make assumptions, why didn't you ask the authors or are you a mind reader.

        Also this is just a great way to just promote your wso
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        • Profile picture of the author John Piteo
          Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

          Interesting that you claim to know why people quit posting articles there. Maybe, they have another way of using article marketing. Rather than make assumptions, why didn't you ask the authors or are you a mind reader.
          I gave my opinion in a way that led people to assume that I "knew" why they didn't write more than 10 articles. I didn't know, it was just a guess or as you say an asumption on my part. I should have worded it differently. I certainly respect the thoughts of any Warrior with over 7000 posts.

          Also this is just a great way to just promote your wso
          Thank you, I pride myself on my marketing. I always try to provide high quality content in my posts and my products. Don't you feel that I've provided interesting information and that this turned out to be an interesting and slightly controversial thread?
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  • Profile picture of the author Fabian Tan
    Well, I think you have pretty much summed it up.

    That's a shocking percentage of 83% who try article marketing half-way, then give up.

    My buddy Jaz Lai summed it up perfectly: in college, we all need to spend years and at least months before we master a course and earn a diploma or a degree.

    It's the same with article marketing, and with Internet marketing.

    On a different note, it shows there is a lot of pie left for action takers!

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  • Profile picture of the author Traffic101
    I think ezine is great for helping your page link. When I do a search on a keyword that I've written about, 9 times out of 10, my ezine article is one of the top search results. For that reason alone, I use ezine.
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  • Profile picture of the author ECoughlin
    I agree! I use EZA for the backlinks, not to make a sale although I wouldn't turn it down if one happened.
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
    Just to play Devil's Advocate, here...maybe some of those people completely optimized their current articles and they are making phenomenal sales every day from them?

    If you want to draw in people who are looking for a cure for acne, for instance, would you need to have 1,000 articles about acne to get a large portion of the searchers if your "acne" article was at the #1 spot in Google? Probably not.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Piteo
    Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards View Post

    Just to play Devil's Advocate, here...maybe some of those people completely optimized their current articles and they are making phenomenal sales every day from them?

    If you want to draw in people who are looking for a cure for acne, for instance, would you need to have 1,000 articles about acne to get a large portion of the searchers if your "acne" article was at the #1 spot in Google? Probably not.
    Let's look at it in another way. Let's say you were using PPC marketing and you are using just one keyword. Assume that keyword was making you $10 per day. Would you stop there? If not, why would you stop with one article in the #1 position in Google? Why stop at 10? Wouldn't you do more of what's working and less of what's not?


    P.S. Your backlink membership is one of the best WSO's I've ever purchased. Those are the highest page rank backlinks I've ever been able to get.
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    • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
      Originally Posted by John Piteo View Post


      P.S. Your backlink membership is one of the best WSO's I've ever purchased. Those are the highest page rank backlinks I've ever been able to get.
      Thank you. The packet that's coming out on Saturday is the best one so far; most sites are in the 7,8, and 9 page rank brackets.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Sol
    I told a friend of mine about IM and gave him a few lessons. He wrote 3 articles for EA, within 1 month he made 5 sales totaling $230 or so - and he never did anything again... People are lazy and expect too much - so they quit very fast. That's the reason

    Article Marketing works very well.
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  • Profile picture of the author ragnartm
    No offense but this was not shocking at all, not in the way you see it. What's shocking is that so many people have written over 10 articles, probably most of those have made no effort whatsoever to monetize them (not done the research so not sure, but seems likely to me.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Christie Love
    Being successful on ezine articles is all about consistency. It's a shame that most people, especially in internet marketing, are looking for ways to get rich quick. That's why, after just a few articles, they give up. Then... they come to WF to complain.

    Patience is a virtue. And... a skill that more of us should learn. People have to understand that if they expect success in anything they do, they need to have patience and dedication to their craft.

    It's all about strategizing a plan and working diligently until you achieve that goal. Knowing this, will make your life as an internet marketer much easier.
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    • Profile picture of the author limalan88
      Originally Posted by Christie Love View Post

      Being successful on ezine articles is all about consistency. It's a shame that most people, especially in internet marketing, are looking for ways to get rich quick. That's why, after just a few articles, they give up. Then... they come to WF to complain.

      Patience is a virtue. And... a skill that more of us should learn. People have to understand that if they expect success in anything they do, they need to have patience and dedication to their craft.

      It's all about strategizing a plan and working diligently until you achieve that goal. Knowing this, will make your life as an internet marketer much easier.

      I totally agree that patience and hard work is part of the game in article marketing. There is no such thing as short cut if you really want to make that money online. It took me almost more than a year to submit more than 1000 articles before seeing the profit. But after that , hard work really pays off and the money online came in almost auto pilot but still continue article marketing for maintenance purpose.

      In fact, I almost gave up halfway but with persistence, finally see the light of some profit. All thanks to the information and help obtain here in the forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dixiebelle
        All I have to say on the matter is just because someone doesn't write a lot of articles, doesn't make them a quitter or lazy.

        In 2 years, I have written 3 articles, and that was it. They accomplished my goal, so there was no reason to write anymore.

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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    I have a dozen pen names with 10 or so articles each. How many others are there that do what I do? Kind of changes your stats a little doesn't it?

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  • Profile picture of the author DavidO
    Actually, I wish more people would give up on writing articles, or never start in the first place!

    EZA has been trying to improve their quality control but it is still overloaded with total crap. As a quick little test I just went there and went at random to the first article in my niche (because I figure I'm better able to judge something I know about).

    As it turns out I didn't need to bother about choosing the niche... it doesn't take specialist knowledge to see that the article is complete and utter rubbish. Poor grasp of English, grammar errors, awkward phrases... even some of the main keywords are misspelled!

    I don't know how this article was ever approved. EZA obviously still has a way to go if they want to be taken seriously.

    This article, and the millions more like it, are there for one reason only: backlinks and/or other promotion. Now I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this... I do it myself. But my first priority is always to write for genuine human interest. That's why I actually make sales from my articles, rather than just backlinks.

    In 2 and a half years I've published 26 articles on EZA, less than one a month average. The whole concept of "article marketing" generates crap like "write articles in 10 minutes", "article spinning" and "$5 articles". And it motivates people to publish junk they have no business writing in the first place.

    It's been said before but it needs saying again: Write for people, not for backlinks. I would add: Don't write at all if you can't produce something that real people want to read. This isn't elitist... most people can learn to write well if they make the effort. Sadly, the methods and attitudes promoted by a lot of marketers isn't the answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author arilestariono
    Article marketing do works but not direct impact to quick result, it's just getting your backlinks on search engine to be found and definitely your keywords come around, takes time and effort to see real result.For SEO it's ok, but if you want direct traffic you can do blog walking and giving comments and exchange links.That's my opinion.Any way good standpoint man.Keep up the good work
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Huynh
    Article Marketing is a lot of work. I feel that even if people see results, they want to find something that produces similar to better results with LESS work.

    Those people will continually look for the holy grail. I think there ARE easier ways to make money but article marketing seems to be the most reliable way for most newbies WHO ACTUALLY PUT IN THE WORK.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      You know what I think is sad. John, you've been a member here for 3.5 years,
      you're averaging about 1 post a week and now you come here with this and
      son of a gun, there is a WSO in your sig for article marketing.

      There's nothing else to say.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Piteo
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        You know what I think is sad. John, you've been a member here for 3.5 years,
        you're averaging about 1 post a week and now you come here with this and
        son of a gun, there is a WSO in your sig for article marketing.

        There's nothing else to say.
        Yes, you're right Steven; I haven't hung around here much for the last 3 years until recently. And yes I do have my own product to sell now. I also admit I used some reverse psychological sales tactics to get people going in this thread in hopes that some would notice my WSO.

        But I also feel that this post and all of the other posts I've made on this forum were real posts, helpful to some, interesting to some, informative to some or real questions. Yes, I did include some forum marketing, but do you feel I did it in the wrong way? Do I appear like a spammer?

        I respect your opinions because I've learned a lot from you.

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        • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
          Originally Posted by John Piteo View Post

          ...Yes, you're right Steven; I haven't hung around here much for the last 3 years until recently. And yes I do have my own product to sell now. I also admit I used some reverse psychological sales tactics to get people going in this thread in hopes that some would notice my WSO.

          ...John
          John,

          I've been around and around in this forum and I have experienced some things that most people haven't. If there's one thing I've learned, it is that you have to work hard to build and maintain your relationships with the people here and one stupid mistake can easily ruin it all for you.

          You have to really respect the others here and uphold a stellar reputation and respectable integrity within this forum if you want to go places.

          Making statements like I quoted above is probably not the way to do it.

          JMO,
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          • Profile picture of the author John Piteo
            Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

            John,

            I've been around and around in this forum and I have experienced some things that most people haven't. If there's one thing I've learned, it is that you have to work hard to build and maintain your relationships with the people here and one stupid mistake can easily ruin it all for you.

            You have to really respect the others here and uphold a stellar reputation and respectable integrity within this forum if you want to go places.

            Making statements like I quoted above is probably not the way to do it.

            JMO,
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            Thank you for your advice Allen. I certainly meant no disrespect to Steven or anyone else here. I was just being honest. I admitted that I created, what I felt, was an interesting and controversial thread that I knew would get lots of discussion. I was hoping that some of the traffic would check out my WSO. Do you consider this wrong? Just looking for advice here.


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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by John Piteo View Post

          Yes, you're right Steven; I haven't hung around here much for the last 3 years until recently. And yes I do have my own product to sell now. I also admit I used some reverse psychological sales tactics to get people going in this thread in hopes that some would notice my WSO.

          But I also feel that this post and all of the other posts I've made on this forum were real posts, helpful to some, interesting to some, informative to some or real questions. Yes, I did include some forum marketing, but do you feel I did it in the wrong way? Do I appear like a spammer?

          I respect your opinions because I've learned a lot from you.

          John
          John, I have nothing personal against you. Ultimately, what I think about
          this thread is irrelevant. The members will make their own determination.

          Right now, to be perfectly honest with you, the only thing I am concerned
          about as far as this forum goes is Michael Tracey getting the help he
          needs.

          Everything else is just BS.

          My advice? See what kind of feedback you get from this thread and
          govern yourself accordingly in the future.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      Still don't see what's so "shocking"?
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    • Profile picture of the author rperales
      Personally...

      ..Articles if I'm not mistaken is to get traffic to our website and some
      people have to pay to get articles written sometimes it works and
      sometimes it don't..

      The majority heck mostly all businesses are designed to earn money
      one way only and that is to the owner of such business..Why people
      don't have businesses where everybody involved earn money from
      such businesses beats me..

      Now, there is such businesses like Affiliates marketing, Network Marketing
      etc..but then again for the most part only a few make money because
      they thing that recruiting people in both industries is the way without
      thinking that it's sales where the money is..

      I'll get to the point in a little while..

      I gotta give this tips what I did when I was writing Articles to get
      subscribers to my Personal Development Newsletters. I bought a program
      that all I had to do is punch a button and it would distrbute to mostly
      publishers of ezines and some directories..

      My articles came from mail order salesletters..I edit them and presto
      some real and unique arcles since mail order usually were about new
      and uniques products etc..

      Of course, I was in the mail order business so I was in very list and
      boy did I have files of salesletters and they were free right?

      Back to my point of articles. they should be monitized in a way like
      and affiliate program or netork marketing program but, since sales
      is the key to become rich and it's easy mind you one person with
      10 articles would equal ten sales instead of ten affilaites but maybe
      just one sale each..hence 10 times ten would eaual 100 sales..

      And hey, not to mention everybody making a decent earnings to start
      and a lot of business for article writers and a lot of traffic to our websites
      with a rule that we must click on links in such articles etc..

      It don't have to be an affilaite or netork marketing program for such articles
      we certainly can come up with a unique program especially for articles only..

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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by John Piteo View Post


    Article Marketing DOES NOT WORK!

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    I'm not sure you can draw that conclusion, based on your quoted statistics.

    Seems to me that 18,700 people have decided that article marketing works well enough for them to have submitted more than 10 articles each to only one directory.

    It's often the top few most active participants that determine the success of an operation - ever heard of the 80/20 rule?

    I'd bet that out of the 100,000+ Warrior members, no more than 5% have made over 10 posts. Does that mean that forums don't work?


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    • Profile picture of the author John Piteo
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      I'm not sure you can draw that conclusion, based on your quoted statistics.

      Seems to me that 18,700 people have decided that article marketing works well enough for them to have submitted more than 10 articles each to only one directory.

      It's often the top few most active participants that determine the success of an operation - ever heard of the 80/20 rule?

      I'd bet that out of the 100,000+ Warrior members, no more than 5% have made over 10 posts. Does that mean that forums don't work?


      Frank
      Article marketing is what helped me get started and become a full time marketer. Heck, I'm selling a course that teaches people how to get started online with article marketing. The real point that I was trying to make is that like anything else related to Internet marketing...

      Article marketing does not work! - "Unless it's done right"

      To be successful with article marketing you need to learn how to do it right, practice and not give up.

      I based my opinion that most people must be doing it wrong because almost 100,000 people haven't written more than 10 articles. That is also the reason that I guessed that they must have not made any money, because why would they not do more of what they found to be successful? I assumed (just a guess) that they were giving up and quitting before giving it enough time to learn how to do it successfully.

      This thread has created quite a bit of controversy, but I want to make one point for anyone just getting started with online marketing...

      Article marketing works

      PPC (pay-per-click) works

      List building works

      Forum marketing works

      Membership sites work

      eCommerce works

      Most all online business models work

      But not for most people. To be successful with online marketing you need to learn and develop your core skills. Learn the basics first, persuasive writing, basic market and niche research, keyword research, content research and conversion skills. Article marketing is a good place to start learning these skills. Whatever you choose you need to focus and practice on one thing until you become good at it. I don't really know why almost 100,000 people out of 116,000 stopped submitting articles to EZA. I just gave my opinion and I asked you what your thoughts were.

      The bottom line is I think people give up too soon and they don't focus on and practice one thing until they are good at it.

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  • Profile picture of the author moseleyw1111
    Writing good articles is not easy. But I will say its my best way of getting free traffic to my site. Also I think most people do not like to write.
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  • Profile picture of the author AverageGuy
    article marketing takes time, it is not magic.

    BTW, as far as I know, many authors use different logins for different niches.


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  • Profile picture of the author richinca
    I think 10 articles may have more to do with Ezine's policy of 10 articles per sign up before you have to apply for an upgrade. It is easy to sign up for a new account and you can isolate IM efforts by account.

    There are many 'landing page + 10 articles" for sale out there and this may be the extent of some newbies efforts in IM.

    I agree that most people try something for a little while and then just give up, but the 84% statistic is misleading.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
    Good % of these people don't have a clue about internet marketing, they are just caught in the moment and want to share there thoughts.

    Even if you take a closer look at the top authors I believe some of them even don't have a clue what they are doing. No links to websites or anything

    Article marketing is one of those methods that sound good on paper but when it comes to it there are very few people that actually follow it through.
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  • Profile picture of the author tess47
    First off, if that many people had 10 articles or less, that's not nearly enough articles to make any real money. If they thought they could write 10 or less and make money, they need to do it another way.

    And as someone said, article marketing isn't for the faint of heart! It takes work, and lots of it - but it's the best FREE way I know of to get targeted traffic to your site.

    I have nearly 500 articles on EZA now, and this is exactly how I make good money every month with affiliate marketing. I also have blogs, hubs, etc. but my traffic comes through articles.

    Article marketing ROCKS For me, anyway because I love writing articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    EZA had 20,600+ authors submit articles last month. On average, each of these authors posted 4 articles.

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    • Profile picture of the author jjpmarketing
      I'm glad someone finally mentioned just outsourcing the articles. Consider it a monthly expense and after 1 year you have plenty of articles to make money with.

      As for the shameless self promotion in this thread...

      While it may not be blatant spam, it is a spammish tactic to utilize controversy about whether article marketing works or not to draw attention to the wso listed in your signature about that same subject. But to each their own.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Tuggle
        John,
        I learned this from Ken Evoy, "Keep It Real."

        Your post doesn't seem real to me.

        I've found some great people on this forum like Steven W. and Allen G. They're great because they keep it real. Staying real helps people.

        Let's just keep it real. We'll all learn, grow, and prosper; as will this incredible forum.

        Those are my thoughts about your post; not about article marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marcus Paul
    I have submitted articles under different pen names as a way of maintaining niche identity and attempting to create a "brand." So I may have a couple with only 2 or 3 articles, but I've submitted many, many more than that.

    Your articles need to be socialized, which is why I created my site. It was a tool I needed to go beyond the old guard "article directory."
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  • Profile picture of the author Vshep
    Originally Posted by John Piteo View Post

    I always see debates on forums whether article marketing works or not. Maybe this will help end the debates, or not. Either way this might be a fun thread. Here is my opinion...

    Article Marketing DOES NOT WORK!

    OK, before I stir up too much trouble I should say that article marketing doesn't work for MOST people. How did I come to this conclusion? I recently did a study over at Ezine Articles and here is what I found out.

    At the time of my study Ezine Articles had 116,274 members.

    Out of 116,274 members 97,577 have written 10 articles or less and a good percentage of those people have written only one or two articles.


    So what does this tell me? Well, to me it looks like at least 84% of all people who try article marketing are doing it wrong. They don't make any money and give up after writing ten or less articles. {edit} The previous statement that "they don't make any money" is just a guess on my part. Of course, I don't know this as fact {end edit} If they made money wouldn't they keep writing? Are they just lazy? Then they go to the forums and tell others that article marketing doesn't work. Of course, someone who is successful always comes back and says,

    "It works if it's done right". I totally agree!

    What are your thoughts?
    My thoughts?
    My thoughts would be that your numbers are skewed. You seem to think that all 116,274 members MUST be marketers. When in fact many might be part time writers, or hobbyists just writing an article here and there because they enjoy it.

    As for article marketing not working, No idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author GoldReaper
    I'm replying without reading anyone elses posts. Sorry don't have enough time.

    I would just like to add that article marketing definitely does work! If done correctly and if you have a lot of articles it will work guaranteed.

    The problem is that people are lazy. Many throw up a slap dash article and expect sales.

    The best way to go bout article marketing is to provide genuine value. If you do this, your prospects will be more likely to click through.

    My CTR for many of my articles are over 40%, which is brilliant in my opinion.

    Genuine value and relevancy are probably the most important article marketing factors.
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  • Profile picture of the author S Bhaskar
    I haven't read all the replies, but here is what I understand. Most people who take a dig on any kind of marketing, just want instant success. You know the social scene around. Job cuts, bankruptcy, need cash now etc.

    With that mindset people jump onto anything that promises income and even though the author will warn that it requires effort and time, people will assume they are super smart and they can do that method super fast.

    There is where they fail. The same with so many article writers with less than 10 articles.

    Also, many would do it just for the testing purpose without any plan in mind. So they fail and they blame it on the method or the author.

    Many fail because they don't have money or skill to post a good researched and targeted article. So they would think article marketing is not good.

    The problem is people just don't have time as they drift from one problem to another, one method to another, in search for the ultimate. Whereas the truth is if they concentrate on getting one trick perfect they would succeed.

    This is not just for article marketing but all Internet Marketing disciplines.

    People should be warned that, IM is not everyone's piece of cake.

    My Verdict : Skimming the stats without getting the small details cannot prove article marketing is not good.
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  • Profile picture of the author curious1960
    I am slightly annoyed by all those talking just about laze peoples. God knows I am not laze, but my imperfect English and lack of seed money to purchase articles and fear of using someones content and J.O.B. are main reason for not using articles or blog by any means.

    Do not assume that reason for failure is laziness. This is arrogant and in many cases plainly untrue.
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  • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
    Its all about attitude. I only started article writing a few weeks ago and Ezine articles publish them within a couple of days. I think they work and people certainly support them so they must work.

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    Thank you. The packet that's coming out on Saturday is the best one so far; most sites are in the 7,8, and 9 page rank brackets.
    The back links are brilliant. One of my sites got over a hundred hits today and I have only given it about four back links so far. Well done Angela and Andy.

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