XboxRepair.net or XboxRepair.org?

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Which one would you go for?

Say I wanted to rank for "xbox repair" with an informational site (that makes money by recommending an xbox repair guide on Clickbank), would you rather use .net or org in this case? Do you think the .org extension would entice more people to click in the SERPS?

By the way, I'm just using xbox repair and the domains as an example. I'm thinking of registering these two "repair" domains for another console..

Thanks in advance for any advice
#trademark debate #trademark infringement #xboxrepairnet #xboxrepairorg
  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    sending you a PM ...

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  • Profile picture of the author NinjaReports
    Get the .net. Both domains will have the same SEO value but .org is normally only used with actual organizations.
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    • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
      Originally Posted by NinjaReports View Post

      Get the .net. Both domains will have the same SEO value but .org is normally only used with actual organizations.
      i agree, also my thought:

      The name .net would tie in nicely with an xbox related site because Microsoft make the Xbox and Microsoft also offer the ".net" service like MSN and programming.

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  • Profile picture of the author davezan
    Originally Posted by Skribblez View Post

    Say I wanted to rank for "xbox repair" with an informational site (that makes money by recommending an xbox repair guide on Clickbank), would you rather use .net or org in this case?
    If it's got anything to do with Microsoft, don't. They're very protective of their
    trademarks, and they mostly sue rather than send a letter demanding you give
    it to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
      Originally Posted by davezan View Post

      If it's got anything to do with Microsoft, don't. They're very protective of their
      trademarks, and they mostly sue rather than send a letter demanding you give
      it to them.
      You will be fine. I use the word "Microsoft" in a lot of my domains as I provide Microsoft training products. I am in constant contact with Microsoft as they review the material on my sites and they have never once even mentioned my domain name to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author davezan
        Originally Posted by ppaamm View Post

        I have another question on the issue of domain name trademark. Can I use the name "XBOX" in a subdomain without getting into trouble?

        For example assume I have a main domain "mydomain.com" and create a subdomain "xbox360.mydomain.com", will this get me into trouble with microsoft?

        Thanks
        Maybe. That's really up to Microsoft, though I haven't seen them take action
        against subdomains.

        Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM View Post

        You will be fine. I use the word "Microsoft" in a lot of my domains as I provide Microsoft training products. I am in constant contact with Microsoft as they review the material on my sites and they have never once even mentioned my domain name to me.
        Probably because they decided working with you is a win-win situation. It's up
        to them to decide who to work with and whom not to allow using their marks.
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  • Profile picture of the author JJOrana
    Forget about SEO. Use what's more logical.
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  • Profile picture of the author Negotiator74
    I think you are definitely better off with the .net

    .org doesn't fit for most sites in my opinion
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  • Profile picture of the author chris_surfrider
    Listen to Dave's advice.

    Microsoft doesn't screw around.

    Any site out there that's currently operating with an infringing MS mark in their domain is on borrowed time, and they'll likely regret ever registering the domain.

    There was a kid who was seemingly doing well in the IM niche a while back who got nailed with a $2 Million judgement as penalty for domain-squatting on some microsoft TM's.

    And they were just "parked" domains.

    Haven't heard from him (or of him) since.

    Register original domain names and then include unique content about MS products if need be, making sure to properly identify their trademarks and services according to the following MS Trademark usage guidelines:

    General Microsoft Trademark Guidelines

    Don't brush this off.

    These guys will nail you.

    If MS can literally win in a lawsuit against the US Government (yes, they won), think about what they can do to you.

    Domain-squatting is seen as a serious offense. Don't think that a Nevada Corp (or anything) can protect you from a multi-billion dollar giant.

    Just drop it and move on.

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    • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
      .org is for non profit organizations IIRC.

      But yeah, be very careful using any name associated with Microsoft.
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      • Profile picture of the author davezan
        Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

        .org is for non profit organizations IIRC.
        Used to be. Not anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author Money on the Side
    Get em both...
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  • Profile picture of the author TorontoCarol
    If it's a product name, you might not be able to use it. My son had a site called ipod repair and got a letter that it had to be changed. So now he uses irepair instead. So you might have to play with the wording.
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  • Profile picture of the author mario2001
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    I think .net is better.


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    • Profile picture of the author Wan Mohd Hafiz
      .net always come in 2nd for me if .com is not available. But if .net and .org are still available, get them both.
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  • Profile picture of the author Quilst
    I think that the youtube is filled with free videos on those subject. Won't that steal most of your sales?
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  • Profile picture of the author Easy Cash
    Yeah - get them both and put them on different servers.
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  • Whatever extension you'll choose, the demand for the information will be huge.

    Your thread actually breaks my heart as it reminds me of the five - yes, FIVE - Xbox 360 units I've lost to the dreaded 3 red lights of death. Though one of them was outside Microsoft's warranty, the three were replacement units of the second one.

    I'm now waiting for the sixth unit, which is the fifth replacement unit, and it's been almost 2 months now. DIY repair is becoming more and more appealing to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author thatgirlJ
      Originally Posted by Premium Web Content View Post

      Whatever extension you'll choose, the demand for the information will be huge.

      Your thread actually breaks my heart as it reminds me of the five - yes, FIVE - Xbox 360 units I've lost to the dreaded 3 red lights of death. Though one of them was outside Microsoft's warranty, the three were replacement units of the second one.

      I'm now waiting for the sixth unit, which is the fifth replacement unit, and it's been almost 2 months now. DIY repair is becoming more and more appealing to me.
      Wow! That's crazy. My husband is on his third "repaired" unit :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Johnson Tay
        I ran an Adwords campaign once using an .org domain as my display URL and the entire campaign BOMBED with close to zero clicks. Then, I switched it to a .com domain and there was a DRASTIC INCREASE in the no. of clicks I got. This should tell ya which to go with
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      • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
        Originally Posted by Jenn Dize View Post

        Wow! That's crazy. My husband is on his third "repaired" unit :rolleyes:

        LOL! What is wrong with all these Xbox's!

        I don't have an Xbox, but alot of my friends have the Arcade and Premium versions and have never had any trouble atall. However a friend of mine thought he was cool and went and got himself one of the black 'Elite' systems only to have it overheat and blow up on him within a week of him buying it.

        I think there is definatly a market out there for DIY though, there seems to also be alot of people doing 'firmware' to there Xbox 360s nowdays aswell, its a tricky process and requires technical knowledge but basically this allows people to make "back up copys" of thier 360 games and makes the 360 have the ability to play them (you can even change the speeds, so you can choose to speed up the loading times which also makes the 360 louder, or slow down the loading times which makes it quieter). Ofcource this allows people to rent a game for a few quid, copy it, return the rented game and keep a copy saving themselves alot of money.

        I have an eBook on this if you want it. It could be something to include in your camaign.

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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
      Originally Posted by Premium Web Content View Post

      Whatever extension you'll choose, the demand for the information will be huge.

      Your thread actually breaks my heart as it reminds me of the five - yes, FIVE - Xbox 360 units I've lost to the dreaded 3 red lights of death. Though one of them was outside Microsoft's warranty, the three were replacement units of the second one.

      I'm now waiting for the sixth unit, which is the fifth replacement unit, and it's been almost 2 months now. DIY repair is becoming more and more appealing to me.
      I made sure when I purchased mine that it had the updated motherboard and I bought a little 5 dollar fan at walmart, seperate electrical plugin NOT tied to the xbox in any way just sits behind it. I also added little extensions to the glued sliders they use for legs to get it up off the shelf it sits on for better air flow. When I am not using it, most of time, I have it unplugged. Never had any problems with it and I have had it for couple years now.


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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Terry Crim View Post

        Never had any problems with it and I have had it for couple years now.
        I have a Premium bought on launch week, and an Elite bought on launch week.

        Never had a problem with either of them, and the former is literally one of the first units shipped.
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        • Profile picture of the author garyv
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          I have a Premium bought on launch week, and an Elite bought on launch week.

          Never had a problem with either of them, and the former is literally one of the first units shipped.
          My son had one of the very first units. It got the red ring of death exactly a week after the 1 year warranty. (This was before microsoft extended the warranty to 3 years).

          20,000 sold repair guides later -I can say that I've never been so happy to have a broken console.
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      • Profile picture of the author FrontLineMentor
        I think .net is better than .org..

        1 .com
        2. .net
        3 .org
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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
    Listen to Dave's advice.

    Microsoft doesn't screw around.

    Any site out there that's currently operating with an infringing MS mark in their domain is on borrowed time, and they'll likely regret ever registering the domain.

    I see a lot of people chiming in with a choice between the two, probably better to take some good advice as above and forget about any trademarked domain.

    Some info:

    Microsoft Sues Domain Squatters - IT Channel - IT Channel News by CRN and VARBusiness

    Typosquatting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    BBC NEWS | Technology | Microsoft hits 'cybersquatters'

    Just some food for thought...
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    domain-squatting better know for the last 12 years or so as cybersquatting.. A cybersquatter would register a companies trademarked name for the sole purpose of selling that name at a high profit..

    For those of you that remember Dr Jerffery Lant (which fled to canada) he used to do a great deal of cybersquatting which started his empire into the online scam mall that he had..

    You can perfectly register Xbox in a domain name just as long as you do the following...

    Disclaimer: xxx.com has no association in any form with microsoft inc which owns Xbox. Formore information on microsoft's xbox visit the main website Xbox.com | Xbox.com Home. All other copyrights belong to their respective owners.

    The fact that you are not claiming to be the company makes a big difference. Now this also depends upon what you want to use the domain name for also. Creating a search engine (of any type) using googlebites.com will get you into trouble with or without a disclaimer.

    Law makers are getting tight on this though also.. Is it worth the hassels to even try ? I would not bother but thats me...

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    • Profile picture of the author davezan
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      You can perfectly register Xbox in a domain name just as long as you do the following...

      Disclaimer: xxx.com has no association in any form with microsoft inc which owns Xbox. Formore information on microsoft's xbox visit the main website Xbox.com | Xbox.com Home. All other copyrights belong to their respective owners.
      WIPO Overview of WIPO Panel Views on Selected UDRP Questions

      3.5 What is the role of a disclaimer on the web page of a disputed domain name?

      Consensus view: The existence of a disclaimer cannot cure bad faith, when bad faith has been established by other factors. A disclaimer can also show that the respondent had prior knowledge of the complainant's trademark. However a disclaimer is sometimes found to support other factors indicating good faith or legitimate interest.

      Relevant decisions:
      Estée Lauder Inc. v. estelauder.com, estelauder.net and Jeff Hanna D2000-0869, Transfer
      Arthur Guinness Son & Co. (Dublin) Limited v. Dejan Macesic D2000-1698, Transfer
      Besiktas Jimnastik Kulubu Dernegi v. Mehmet Tolga Avcioglu D2003-0035, Denied
      Pliva, Inc. v. Eric Kaiser D2003-0316, Transfer
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Correct and this is the reason why I posted it depends upon what you are using the name for ... Also why I posteditis not something I would do...

        If I put up a fan website about xbox and had xbox in the name and the site makes no profit at all then obviously Big Bill (more then likely) would not waste his time as actually I am helping to brand his product ..

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        • Profile picture of the author davezan
          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          If I put up a fan website about xbox and had xbox in the name and the site makes no profit at all then obviously Big Bill (more then likely) would not waste his time as actually I am helping to brand his product ..
          Indeed. But isn't it the OP wants to make money off that somehow?

          Then again, don't we all...
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      • Profile picture of the author jjpmarketing
        This really sucks. I didn't know they could do that. I registered xbox720mods.com a long time ago. I am guessing it is pretty much worthless now. I registered those domains since xbox was starting to have customizable face plates for the xbox 360.

        I don't really use it... but was planning on flipping it if their next console is called "xbox 720". It was an impulsive purchase on a whim.

        As for the domains the OP was talking about... I avoid registering a domain with anything other than .com except when trying to protect a brand name. In that case I register all the TLD's I can afford. But in this case, if you must have that specific domain name go for .net. However in lieu of this Trademark business mentioned in multiple posts I would just come up with a different name.
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  • Profile picture of the author JMLebeau
    I don't know what you will exactly do with that website (.net by the way) but I'm sure the nice is good enough as I know tons of people who are desperates to get their xBox repaired quickly. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author chris_surfrider
    Having "xbox" in the domain will not help your rankings or traffic.

    Just find another domain, one that's neutral.

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  • Profile picture of the author SiteLabs
    Definately .net over the .org. Of course a .com being the first choice always.
    Even better would be a pre-owned domain that has age and pre-existing links, not always easy to find with the keywords you need though

    However for an easy life, staying away from regsitered trademarks is a wise move.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Ho
    Wow.. I had no idea about the trademark thing with Microsoft.. scary.. anyway if you are still going ahead with this.. I suggest .net
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Fox
    Originally Posted by Skribblez View Post

    Which one would you go for?

    Say I wanted to rank for "xbox repair" with an informational site (that makes money by recommending an xbox repair guide on Clickbank), would you rather use .net or org in this case? Do you think the .org extension would entice more people to click in the SERPS?

    By the way, I'm just using xbox repair and the domains as an example. I'm thinking of registering these two "repair" domains for another console..

    Thanks in advance for any advice
    Don't buy either... I already own 4 keyword loaded domains for that niche :p
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    • Profile picture of the author Shane F
      I'm in that niche also with several sites with xbox in the names. No problems at all but no sales also. Id stay out of it all together

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      • Profile picture of the author Christian Fox
        Originally Posted by Upstate Cowboy View Post

        I'm in that niche also with several sites with xbox in the names. No problems at all but no sales also. Id stay out of it all together

        Shane
        That is funny I had one site up to 350 uniques a day and still crappy sales. Then I looked at the demographics for that niche. It's basically kids and pot heads. Not exactly the type to spend money...

        Sorry to offend any pot heads
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  • Profile picture of the author Frankie D
    I don't think it matters that much... Just be sure if you do use an .org type of domain, that you put an "organizational type" of spin to the site. Other then that I would go for the .net. If you cant get either a .com,.net, or a .org... I would just move onto something else don't waste your time with .info type sites. But, again that's just me.
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