Most of Us Will Never Make a Full Time Living Working Online

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When I first found this forum I was ecstatic. By that point I've been trying to make money online through blogging and video marketing for about 1-2 years with not much success.

When I saw all of the information on this site, I began to feel like I've found the missing peace of information. If I were only to read all of the posts, and extract all of the information, I'll be rich in no time...

After reading and observing this forum for a while, I came to the following conclusions. There are 3 kinds of people who post on this forum.

Newbies like myself, who are not making any money, but really believe in making money, and dream of the lifestyle. They constantly make plans, and start post titled something like follow me on my journey to make $100 per day, and they usually fail.

Fakesperts (fake experts) who are keeping newbies dreams alive, by providing them with tons of information and semi-fake earnings, most of which they make by selling stuff to the newbies.

Real Experts, this guys don't show up often because they are busy doing real work. When they do post, they provide very insightful information. It is also apparent from their post that they work harder than an average person at a regular job. They are well organized, and they deliver. They may be living the dream in terms of lifestyle and money, but they sure do put a lot of work to get there (no 4-hour-work weeks there).

So what is the point of me typing this post? For myself primarily. The best way to get a grasp of an idea, is by trying to express it to others in a comprehensible manner.

I think it is important for me to realize, that my chances of making it, in the online marketing are very small. And while I will not give up on my dream, and will continue to work on it, it is important to remember, that this is only a hobby, until I am able to earn real money with it.

And since for now it is only a hobby, I cannot let it interfere with my normal responsibilities. And it does mean that I need to get a real job, to pay my real bills. And that time I spend reading warrior forum is not work or business (because I don't make money of it), and it's OK to do it in my free time, but I should not make it my first priority.

So while I love my hobby, and I do believe that one day I will be able to turn it into a real business, it is important for me to remember that I don't know when and if it will ever happen, and until then I must take care of my real responsibilities (college education and a real job) first.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    As long as you consider it a "hobby", you will never make it into anything more.

    The moment you take it serious is the moment that it becomes something more.

    Secondly, making lots of money in any business requires absolute faith in yourself. It requires drive and determination.

    Oddly enough, it doesn't require massive amount of work.

    But it does require massive amount of drive and determination. Far more than just considering it a "hobby".

    I quit college.

    I quit my job.

    I now make more than my professors at college and more than most of the business owners I worked for in the past.

    That wasn't accident. It was design and required determination.

    Finally, no 4 hour workweek? If that was the case, I wouldn't be doing this.

    Case in point - I finally decided to work tonight. I just took a 5 day break.

    Rob

    Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post


    I think it is important for me to realize, that my chances of making it, in the online marketing are very small. And while I will not give up on my dream, and will continue to work on it, it is important to remember, that this is only a hobby, until I am able to earn real money with it.

    And since for now it is only a hobby, I cannot let it interfere with my normal responsibilities. And it does mean that I need to get a real job, to pay my real bills. And that time I spend reading warrior forum is not work or business (because I don't make money of it), and it's OK to do it in my free time, but I should not make it my first priority.

    So while I love my hobby, and I do believe that one day I will be able to turn it into a real business, it is important for me to remember that I don't know when and if it will ever happen, and until then I must take care of my real responsibilities (college education and a real job) first.
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    • Profile picture of the author tush
      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      As long as you consider it a "hobby", you will never make it into anything more.

      The moment you take it serious is the moment that it becomes something more.

      Secondly, making lots of money in any business requires absolute faith in yourself. It requires drive and determination.

      Oddly enough, it doesn't require massive amount of work.

      But it does require massive amount of drive and determination. Far more than just considering it a "hobby".


      Rob
      And this is exactly what feedtherightwolf is saying. Most people will never make it online, just like in any business. It takes alot to be an entreprenuer. Most people get distracted. For those who are determined, they make it with effortlessly. And ofcourse, you get what you ask.... I believe feedtherightwolf might never make it online. There is power in words.)
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      • Profile picture of the author buckz55
        It's important to understand the whole internet marketing picture , that way you'll have an easier time coming up with your own approach and methods...
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        • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
          I have two words for anybody in the position of feeling like they either aren't ever going to make it or are going to wait it out and see what happens:

          Ready?


          Baby Steps.

          Pick a goal or a niche and build one thing at a time. There are many many people and courses out there that tell you step by step exactly how to do it, but there are ten times as many factors which play a role in you yourself making it work or failing.

          The two biggest factors?

          Belief and Dedication.

          Believe in yourself and dedicate yourself to your goals. Visualize the goal and know it will happen because you are going to make it happen come hell or high water.

          Observe, Learn, ACT and Earn!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      You always inspire the heck outta me man.

      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      As long as you consider it a "hobby", you will never make it into anything more.

      The moment you take it serious is the moment that it becomes something more.

      Secondly, making lots of money in any business requires absolute faith in yourself. It requires drive and determination.

      Oddly enough, it doesn't require massive amount of work.

      But it does require massive amount of drive and determination. Far more than just considering it a "hobby".

      I quit college.

      I quit my job.

      I now make more than my professors at college and more than most of the business owners I worked for in the past.

      That wasn't accident. It was design and required determination.

      Finally, no 4 hour workweek? If that was the case, I wouldn't be doing this.

      Case in point - I finally decided to work tonight. I just took a 5 day break.

      Rob
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    @feedtherightwolf

    I am disturbed by your post. You have inconsistencies through out it. You say there are only 3 types of people on here, you say you will never make a full time living on here, then you say this is your hobby until you can make a living. I'd like you to sit alone, and, organize your thoughts. I am not trying to badger you, but, help you express your thoughts, so, that you know what you really want.
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    • Profile picture of the author feedtherightwolf
      Originally Posted by janok View Post

      @feedtherightwolf

      I am disturbed by your post. You have inconsistencies through out it. You say there are only 3 types of people on here, you say you will never make a full time living on here, then you say this is your hobby until you can make a living. I'd like you to sit alone, and, organize your thoughts. I am not trying to badger you, but, help you express your thoughts, so, that you know what you really want.
      I said most of the people will not make a full time living. If I am one of this people remains to be seeing.

      My main point was, to remember not to neglect my usual responsibilities, while chasing my dream of working online.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Sorry to quote an often used statement, but, here goes.

    If you think you can or you think you can't you're right.

    Get back to school and get your education and get that job. Nothing wrong with that at all.

    Only don't think that because you can't others aren't.

    On second thought, think what you must if it makes you feel better. No harm, no foul.

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    • Profile picture of the author Matt.Lake
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      Sorry to quote an often used statement, but, here goes.

      If you think you can or you think you can't you're right.
      I was going to say the exact same thing.

      Originally Posted by PaulB1 View Post

      You only have to have one good idea. Look at

      Facebook
      Twitter
      Myspace
      I disagree. I think far too many people never see success because they're waiting for that one "amazing idea". Just do a better job of what already works.
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    • Profile picture of the author n8rm5n
      I have a buddy who is a real friend of mine, we knew each other since 13. He is very determined not to work for others. He spent 12 hours a day for 6 months, learning from nothing to something. Guess what, now he is a successful article marketer earning more than 1800USD per month, spending 1hour a day on his marketing.

      How much time, effort and determined you really want to make this work?

      Btw my buddy didn't spend a single dollar till this days.
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  • Profile picture of the author buckz55
    I know a few people on my yahoo & aim that make $XX,XXX daily , pretty sick... man i wish one of them would get drunk one night and share some info haha
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    • Profile picture of the author theemperor
      Originally Posted by buckz55 View Post

      I know a few people on my yahoo & aim that make ,XXX daily , pretty sick... man i wish one of them would get drunk one night and share some info haha
      But are there really any secrets? I think there is enough information, perhaps too much on WF alone, let alone the rest of the internet, and offline in books and goverment funded business services.

      Live Chat: ----
      Guru1: I'm drunk!
      Buckz55: Cool share your secrets of how you make $XX,XXX daily
      Guru1: Staying sober and working my butt off, and learning stuff.
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      • Profile picture of the author buckz55
        Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

        But are there really any secrets? I think there is enough information, perhaps too much on WF alone, let alone the rest of the internet, and offline in books and goverment funded business services.

        Live Chat: ----
        Guru1: I'm drunk!
        Buckz55: Cool share your secrets of how you make ,XXX daily
        Guru1: Staying sober and working my butt off, and learning stuff.
        haha , well you can't just limit yourself to making adsense & clickbank sites and relying on google traffic .... sometimes you have to say F google and go get the traffic yourself through facebook , craigslist , twitter , myspace , ect. because that is were everyone hangs out including the people who make $xx,xxx a day
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        • Profile picture of the author theemperor
          Originally Posted by buckz55 View Post

          haha , well you can't just limit yourself to making adsense & clickbank sites and relying on google traffic .... sometimes you have to say F google and go get the traffic yourself through facebook , craigslist , twitter , myspace , ect. because that is were everyone hangs out including the people who make ,xxx a day
          Yes it is "horses for courses" with traffic. Sometimes SEO is king, and sometimes other methods are better, depending on what you are trying to achieve and the niche. Don't forget PPC. But we digress... I think the OP was talking about most people not being full time or something.
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    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by buckz55 View Post

      I know a few people on my yahoo & aim that make ,XXX daily , pretty sick... man i wish one of them would get drunk one night and share some info haha
      Or instead of waiting for someone to drop the info in your lap, why don't you go out and research and test it? You can't be passive if you are going to build a business. It takes being aggressive. Aggressive in learning what you need to know, and also being aggressive in taking that knowledge and trying it over and over again until it works.

      Wishes get you nowhere. Action gets you where you want to be.
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    You only have to have one good idea. Look at

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  • Profile picture of the author nicheman
    I've been in the place you seem like your in and it's not fun. So here are my steps to get out of the "funk":
    1 Count your blessings. Realize that you do have so many abilities to be thankful for. Remember the sun is always shining sometimes we just don't see it.

    2 Shake up your box. Set new goals. Print pictures of these goals post them wherever you work. Post them in your car. You need a constant reminder of those things that make you feel alive. You have to change your routine sometimes to get out of any bad habits you may not even realize you have.

    3. Get a mentor. Find someone who is doing exactly what you want to be doing. Then do exactly as they say or suggest.

    4. Find true purpose. Most of the time true purpose is bigger than yourself. For example my children are a huge reason for my success. Anytime I feel unsuccessful or like I want to give up I think about them. My son will never struggle with having to get a job just to make ends meet I'll make sure of it. That's just me though. My kids create a burning desire in me for succes and reaching my goals.

    Sorry if this is preachy...I just wish someone would have told me things like this when I was feeling the wind gone from my sails.
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    • Profile picture of the author ldbjr
      Originally Posted by nicheman View Post

      I've been in the place you seem like your in and it's not fun. So here are my steps to get out of the "funk":
      1 Count your blessings. Realize that you do have so many abilities to be thankful for. Remember the sun is always shining sometimes we just don't see it.

      2 Shake up your box. Set new goals. Print pictures of these goals post them wherever you work. Post them in your car. You need a constant reminder of those things that make you feel alive. You have to change your routine sometimes to get out of any bad habits you may not even realize you have.

      3. Get a mentor. Find someone who is doing exactly what you want to be doing. Then do exactly as they say or suggest.

      4. Find true purpose. Most of the time true purpose is bigger than yourself. For example my children are a huge reason for my success. Anytime I feel unsuccessful or like I want to give up I think about them. My son will never struggle with having to get a job just to make ends meet I'll make sure of it. That's just me though. My kids create a burning desire in me for succes and reaching my goals.

      Sorry if this is preachy...I just wish someone would have told me things like this when I was feeling the wind gone from my sails.
      Excellent advice. I felt the same way up until a few months ago. I ran across some "mentors" who were willing to help me after I had tried and failed for years. I am still not making very much money but I now believe more than ever it is possible for me to be a success by working from home. My problem was that I was going it alone with no idea of what I was doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    Here is the deal... You are right. And wrong. You are right in that there are lots of people who just use this place as a way to make a few bucks and its not clear if they could make it without peddling WSOs or other IM courses... Its the oldest game. You are also right that you need to take care of your business and pay your bills whatever it takes... But, there are also guys who made it and/or are making it - and come here for comraderie and to help people out. My motto has always been, if somebody else can do it... I can too. In almost every case, that is true if you are willing to put in the hours, weeks, months and sometimes years... As Malcolm Gladwell said in Outliers, it has been proven that hours put in is the true measure of genius - it takes 10,000 hours to become a world class pianist - or for that matter, a world class anything. The difference between a world class professional and a mediocre professional is the difference between 10,000 and 8,000 hours... To put this in perspective, that is full time 40 hours a week for 5 years... If you are willing to put in your 10,000 hours, I feel that you or anyone will make it. The question is, are you willing?
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter.J
    If you treat it as a hobby then yes you are destined for it to stay that way. An online business should be treated like any other business. It needs the time, patience and most importantly hard work for it to achieve.
    Nothing happens over night and if you start losing focus you are on a one way road to failure. I sincerely hope this is not the case for, I have been working online for just over a year and I work for myself so if someone like myself can do it, many others can to.

    Although, in the beginning I was constantly online, working my sites like a crazy person.
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    • In a way, I'm glad that it's not easy to make a full time living online. I like the fact that it took me 2 months to make my first dollar. If it was easy, everybody would be doing it.

      Perseverance is key from what i've learned. If it takes you years and years to make a full time living online, then why should that matter. Because it's going to be worth it in the end.

      I think you've gotta have the bug for it, if you see a fail as a learning curve, you're most likely going to be successful. I thrive off failures, and I know I'm gonna be rich one day. Even if it takes me 10 years.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nathan Rufus
        Originally Posted by GoodnightSweetRatRace View Post

        In a way, I'm glad that it's not easy to make a full time living online. I like the fact that it took me 2 months to make my first dollar. If it was easy, everybody would be doing it.

        Perseverance is key from what i've learned. If it takes you years and years to make a full time living online, then why should that matter. Because it's going to be worth it in the end.

        I think you've gotta have the bug for it, if you see a fail as a learning curve, you're most likely going to be successful. I thrive off failures, and I know I'm gonna be rich one day. Even if it takes me 10 years.
        You're going far and with your attitude, it won't take 10 years.

        Reach new heights,

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        • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
          Ive said this many times before on other threads. Making money online isnt some get rich scheme. Yeah there are ebooks out there and people claiming to be experts who make their money selling to newbies. No doubt, people are making a living by pretending to be experts. But affiliate marketing wouldnt be as popular as it is today if no one made money at it..There are winners and losers in life..which one are you?
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        • Profile picture of the author Shiraha
          well I just want to take this opportunity to say that I'm a newbie like most on the forums here but I've really managed to achieved some small success. The money I'm earning from IM isn't gonna get me a ferrari of course but at least I can support myself and pay bills with no problems. So don't be too pessimistic. keep your spirits up!
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        • Profile picture of the author jlucado
          Yep, if anyone tells you this stuff is easy and you will make a gazillion $ overnight, just smack em in the face.

          But if you really do believe in yourself, believe in your business success, get educated, study and learn internet marketing skills, which means working without end, you can make a lot of money. 10,000 hours is about right!

          If you don't, you won't.

          I know it is cliche but, "You can either think you will or think you won't and you would be correct either way".
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  • Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post


    Real Experts, this guys don't show up often because they are busy doing real work. When they do post, they provide very insightful information. It is also apparent from their post that they work harder than an average person at a regular job. They are well organized, and they deliver. They may be living the dream in terms of lifestyle and money, but they sure do put a lot of work to get there (no 4-hour-work weeks there).
    I think they work smarter, not harder, and by working smarter, they don't need to work harder.


    Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post


    I think it is important for me to realize, that my chances of making it, in the online marketing are very small. And while I will not give up on my dream, and will continue to work on it, it is important to remember, that this is only a hobby, until I am able to earn real money with it.
    Hmmm... I suggest working smarter than others to be the best at anything you do...

    A lot of people have earned huge amounts of money by working real smarter than others to be the best at what they do, which started out as "hobbies"...

    People like Michael Jordan, Jimi Hendrix, the Beatles and Manny Pacquiao among others.

    I don't understand why this helps you (I think I do, just saying):

    Calling something you do a "hobby" because you're not making money from it, then calling it a business once you make money out of it.


    Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post


    And since for now it is only a hobby, I cannot let it interfere with my normal responsibilities. And it does mean that I need to get a real job, to pay my real bills. And that time I spend reading warrior forum is not work or business (because I don't make money of it), and it's OK to do it in my free time, but I should not make it my first priority.
    Now you're calling what you do "not a real job" because you're not making money out of it, and also calling establishing client relations with contacts here in the WarriorForum network not work because you arent benefiting from it financially?

    How about working for yourself to gain subnstantial helpful knowledge, or establishing your reputation in a network of like-minded people via fruitful, beneficial professional partnerships?

    Isn't that real work, a real job that's your normal duty and responsibility for yourself, with or without financial benefits?

    So, if I develop a product then market it online, it's only a "hobby" of mine until that first sale, which'll be a real job for my real business "by then"?


    Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post


    So while I love my hobby, and I do believe that one day I will be able to turn it into a real business, it is important for me to remember that I don't know when and if it will ever happen, and until then I must take care of my real responsibilities (college education and a real job) first.
    Where do you draw the line between something you do a real business venture from something which isn't?

    Again, if you aren't earning from what you do, it's a "hobby", then the moment you earn from it, it's a "real business"?

    In my opinion, a college education is a piece of paper which proves you have been disciplined to practice what you learned from experts, people trained and experienced to specialize in various fields, including teaching others what they know. The only benefit is a "good" job? What if you run a business immediately after college?

    Starting your own business proves you've learned and practiced what you learned enough to trust yourself and your own judgement, college education or by any means, including unsuccessful business ventures in the past, with or without income.

    I'd rather constantly build the foundation of my family's financial stability as well as each of our personal and professional growth, freedom and happiness with me in full control over all relevant things, than:

    ...building this foundation around the whims of an employer, a complete stranger I didn't personally know beforehand, who can, at any time and by any reason, decide to close down his business or lay off 90% of his manpower resources, including myself, destroying what I built in the process without me being responsible for it.

    In business, I fail... I learn... I fail fast... I learn faster... I fail big... I learn bigger... so at the very least it's me in full control and with full responsibility, every step of the way towards success, than a complete stranger, an employer, whom I didn't personally know at that time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter.J
      Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

      I think they work smarter, not harder, and by working smarter, they don't need to work harder.




      Hmmm... I suggest working smarter than others to be the best at anything you do...

      A lot of people have earned huge amounts of money by working real smarter than others to be the best at what they do, which started out as "hobbies"...

      People like Michael Jordan, Jimi Hendrix, the Beatles and Manny Pacquiao among others.

      I don't understand why this helps you (I think I do, just saying):

      Calling something you do a "hobby" because you're not making money from it, then calling it a business once you make money out of it.




      Now you're calling what you do "not a real job" because you're not making money out of it, and also calling establishing client relations with contacts here in the WarriorForum network not work because you arent benefiting from it financially?

      How about working for yourself to gain subnstantial helpful knowledge, or establishing your reputation in a network of like-minded people via fruitful, beneficial professional partnerships?

      Isn't that real work, a real job that's your normal duty and responsibility for yourself, with or without financial benefits?

      So, if I develop a product then market it online, it's only a "hobby" of mine until that first sale, which'll be a real job for my real business "by then"?




      Where do you draw the line between something you do a real business venture from something which isn't?

      Again, if you aren't earning from what you do, it's a "hobby", then the moment you earn from it, it's a "real business"?

      In my opinion, a college education is a piece of paper which proves you have been disciplined to practice what you learned from experts, people trained and experienced to specialize in various fields, including teaching others what they know. The only benefit is a "good" job? What if you run a business immediately after college?

      Starting your own business proves you've learned and practiced what you learned enough to trust yourself and your own judgement, college education or by any means, including unsuccessful business ventures in the past, with or without income.

      I'd rather constantly build the foundation of my family's financial stability as well as each of our personal and professional growth, freedom and happiness with me in full control over all relevant things, than:

      ...building this foundation around the whims of an employer, a complete stranger I didn't personally know beforehand, who can, at any time and by any reason, decide to close down his business or lay off 90% of his manpower resources, including myself, destroying what I built in the process without me being responsible for it.

      In business, I fail... I learn... I fail fast... I learn faster... I fail big... I learn bigger... so at the very least it's me in full control and with full responsibility, every step of the way towards success, than a complete stranger, an employer, whom I didn't personally know at that time.
      Brilliantly said. I share your sentiments, and a mind set such as this is what seperates a business mind to a hobbyist
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  • Profile picture of the author Vyliss
    You are too ambiguous to succeed.

    feedtherightwolf, you're either all in or not in at all.

    Your post is full of ambiguity. I don't think you know what you want. You either want to succeed or you don't.

    So decide already what you want!

    You said already it's a hobby, but people can "succeed" in hobbies. And in fact I don't see anything wrong with looking at it as a hobby as long as you are determined to make it work.

    To be honest, to call it "work" is really discouraging for most people. Call it a hobby and you may want to put more effort in. The point is to enjoy what you're doing and do it hard!

    I always want to play harder than work harder
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  • Profile picture of the author Dimon003
    You only have to have one good idea. Maybe a good luck! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    @feedtherightwolf

    To be completely and totally honest...

    I think you are in the wrong niche.

    I think you are in a niche that will never make money judging by your signature.

    That is the first time I have ever seen that niche and probably the last.

    That is as honest as I can be. I just don't think that will sell in this world.

    If you can generate targeted traffic, you can make money...just not in that niche...IMO.

    You are selling help to people to who do not really want to be helped.

    I have tried several niches. They do NOT ALL make money.

    People will buy into a dream.

    They do not want help with things like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author zenmack
    I am making a decent living. I am not rich yet. I make my own products. I just created a new way to do internet dating. I use my creativity help folks in my niche.

    I am not a affilaite sales dude and I cannot even spell the word correctly. I am a small business making a steady income. It has surpassed my offline business income.

    I don't do seo or use google. I am just now getting into facebook and have not made one penny from it. I use podcast shows and youtube and a paid forum to market myself and it is fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author MattSanti
    Here's a great success story that did go belly up.

    A year ago a friend and I put together an SEO business. Although I had to work 60 hours a week, we still managed to bring in $10,000 in gross revenues and granted that was over a six month period.

    The number one factor I found when we did that (and he knew nothing about SEO at the time especially) was that we become very focused on our goal. We went south because of a lot of internal issuse and stupid decision making.

    Point is though I never thought I'd see that much go through a PayPal account. Guess what though - once you hit that first buck, like they say it is true it get's easier each time. It's constant faith.
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  • Profile picture of the author dika
    Your post can be summed up in three words that everyone need to succeed:
    Hard-work, organization, and believe
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Magik
    OK First off let me explain something.

    Before my life went down the drain, before my jail time. I was making £500 a day online. And that's £'s, not $'s.

    The secret to how I done that is a simple one. (I have many secrets, hence "Magik", but I rarely share them, today your lucky I'm new here again).

    If you want to make a good living then you have to about it intellegently.

    What I mean by that is that there are lots of ways to make money online, like:

    1) Promoting Affiliate Products via:
    a) Blogs
    b) Videos
    c) Articles
    d) RSS Feeds
    e) Google News
    f) Podcasts
    g) Forums
    h) eMail Marketing
    i) PPC Advertising
    j) Banner Advertising

    2) Creating and Selling YOUR OWN Digital Products via:
    a) Same methods as above.
    b) WSO type sections of various forums.
    c) ClickBank, CommissionJunkie etc.
    d) JOINT VENTURING with people who have EXCELLENT LISTS. (<-- a winner ;])

    3) Selling a Service. Like:
    a) MiniSite and/or eCover Design.
    b) Article Writing
    c) Sales Copy Writing
    d) Proof Reading
    e) Photoshop to XHTML/CSS Coding.
    *Sell these services through Forum Marketing and/or eLance

    And the list truely does go on for ages and ages and ages.

    But you have to be serious, sincere and realistic about your goals.

    If your looking to make a quick buck, then some things are better than others, same goes if your looking to make a sustainable income.

    Just think: you have 24 hours in 1 day.

    Minus: 8 hours sleep.

    Minus: 4 hours for cooking/eating.

    Minus: 4 hours for other things in your life.

    You have: 8 HOURS EACH DAY TO BUILD YOUR BUSINESS.


    Plan ahead and use them well. Try out one thing at a time and give it your best to master it.

    When you've mastered it, have it making money in the background while you work on a second project.

    A good simple way people blow up to making a lot is this:

    1) Find out how to make some good money online.

    2) Do it, and keep a detailed record.

    3) Create your own product teaching others how to do it.

    4) Prove it and sell it.

    5) Holla at the people with big lists and give them 50% commission for selling it.

    Then move on

    Hope I helped, I'm only now getting back in the game, but if you need any help, holla me.

    Magik.
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    I don't see why you have to do this as a full time job. Do it as a hobby as well, and enjoy the extra cash.

    What people don't realise is that any money you earn on top of your day job goes 100% into your free spending money. If your day job pays the rent and bills then you're onto a good thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter.J
      Originally Posted by brettb View Post

      I don't see why you have to do this as a full time job. Do it as a hobby as well, and enjoy the extra cash.

      What people don't realise is that any money you earn on top of your day job goes 100% into your free spending money. If your day job pays the rent and bills then you're onto a good thing.
      Unless of course you wish to kick the day job and be self employed, but yes extra money from a "hobby" is always a good thing
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    This thread has been entirely predictable. Basically everything this guy said was factual, and I knew as I was reading it that the overall response would be hostile. That is one of the quarks of WarriorForum; that people feel the need to combat these kind of posts with what is to them a more ideal definition of what it means to work online.

    Just admit it, people. Making it online is HARD WORK. I know. I know. Those two words are blasphemy here since the average Warrior desires to escape the hours of the daily grind and believes in the 2 hour work day pipe dream.

    And for the record, at least one person claiming success in this thread in a rather spectacular manner is a big liar and I can actually prove that. Which I won't do since he is probably just getting something inspirational for himself out of the pretending - a method I have seen quite a few people use over the years on the forums. I remember one guy in particular posted a photo of his Ferrari, and someone else had noticed that he stole the photo from a current eBay listing and busted him on it. The pretending definitely goes on at every forum.

    To the OP: You have the right mindset regardless of what you are reading here. The vast majority in this business are oblivious to what it takes and who is really who. Being at it for 2 years and seeing little success is actually not uncommon. There is a big learning curve. Stick with it, but always be moving forward with your skill building.
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    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      This thread has been entirely predictable. Basically everything this guy said was factual, and I knew as I was reading it that the overall response would be hostile. That is one of the quarks of WarriorForum; that people feel the need to combat these kind of posts with what is to them a more ideal definition of what it means to work online.
      Hostile? I don't know where you come up with that. I think the OP posted what he thought and was feeling and other people are giving their advice and opinion.

      I don't think anyone is giving their definitions of what it means to work online either. You seem to have a twisted view of what the Warrior Forum is all about.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
    OP

    At least you are making progress. It may not seem like it, but you are.

    Without doubt there are a lot of people out there making a ton of money...a LOT.

    They have something which you don't have. I'm not sure what that is, but it is either the skills and knowledge, the time, the team or personal organisation or the money to get the things done which need to be done.

    The issue with most newbies is they believe that they can build a business online in a different way than they can build one offline. Let me give you an example.

    Take the simplest business possible. If you decide to be a window cleaner, you will need ladders, some buckets and cleaning materials, a van, some advertising (or the time and fortitude to go door to door)....and after you have laid out the time and money, you will need to know how to clean windows properly and safely (education) and then actually do the work.

    Affiliate marketing is a far more complex business than window cleaning, but few newbies realise the time, money and education which needs to be put into making it a success. They typically fail when they try to be a jack of all trades, master of none, rather than building up their income to outsource the parts of the business which they don't want to handle themselves.

    The shills are selling to this crowd since they are so desperate for a solution which is easy to apply and lucrative. Competitive dynamics and low barriers to entry mean easy and fast lucrative tactics are usually short lived.

    The progress you have made is that you realise you lack something. There are tons of low skilled ways that the get rich quick crowd will not do because it requires actual effort which the get rich quick and easily crowd never want to do, but which is something successful people never shy away from...because they realise it is a pre-requisite for success.

    My advice to you is to pin point your lacks and address them through your own education or other peoples time which you buy with money.

    All the best

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    • Profile picture of the author RodriguezC
      You sound like disappointed, but how you want to make money online if you take this as a hobby and not as a business, all this is a process of learning, applying and failing until you achieve your goals

      Remember,
      "The only way to fail is to give up"
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  • Profile picture of the author tess47
    It really is true - if you think you can, you will. Stop thinking of online business as a hobby, and think of it in terms of goals you CAN reach.

    Make out a business plan and follow it. Try different methods to see what works and what doesn't. I was in your shoes for about a year; it seemed that no matter how hard I tried, nothing happened.

    Hardheaded me, I didn't give up! I decided to go in to ghostwriting, and that's when things really began to "pop." Since then, my affiliate marketing efforts have paid off as well, and I now make WAY more than I ever could have in the off-line world.

    I understand that you have to work to pay the bills, but keep working in your spare time as hard as you can to build a business of your own - and DON'T think of it as a hobby! Your dreams are really possible, but you have to look at things in the right perspective.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
    Actually, most of us will make this our living. The alternative of going to a 9-5 is drifting away and getting far less attractive--even the "I've got benefits at my job"...is getting more precarious.

    We are in the information age. I suggest, you strap in, get tight and work your toochie off.

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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    As you make your bed so you will lie on it. If you want your online business to be a full-time business, you'll have to pay the price. It will require more time, more money, more energy and more resources.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sanjay89
    Its your mentality that matters. Look at online business as your usual 9-5 job. Give the same commitment as you would give to a 9-5 job then definitely you will start earning a lot more money. I was in a similar position until a few months back but I started imposing a little self discipline and it works wonders. Fulfill the tasks for the day and never leave a work for tomorrow. Helps a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    You just resolved your own problem.

    Why don't you do what the experts do and work hard?
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  • Profile picture of the author kursat
    Stop learning new tricks and start working on a single plan. That works for me. I have some clients who are absolutely new to IM and all they want is basic information. Stuff like, how to buy a domain, how to use simple html code to link their website.

    You see my point is, sometimes we worry to much about what we know on the IM. Once, you decide that this is your job and not your hobby, you can pass your experience to your readers and customers. Do it in your own way and enjoy it.

    I used to sit infront of my PC for days, trying to learn every bit of tips and info out there. Now, I spent less time learning and more time doing things. Hope you find some motivation from all the posts here. There is no easy fix, just commitment towards simple goals.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Whether you call it a hobby or a part time endeavor is irrelevant. You are absolutely correct in thinking that you have real time priorities (such as bills and food and shelter) to take care of and if you are not making any money at IM at this time, you would be foolish to ignore those responsibilities.

    Kudos to you for seeing that ... and no matter what anyone says they've accomplished without an education, never undervalue education and what it can do for you long term in your life.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I agree with Suzanne - no matter what you do online you have to take care of the basics in life. I've seen the OP post several times about reading and learning - and that's good but it doesn't earn money if you replace "doing" with learning month after month.

      The blog is a niche with a low search count and even at the top ranking is not likely to get significant traffic. That's just fact and it may be time to move into a different niche.

      Sometimes it's easy to get lost in IM details and ideas and miss the big picture. One blog in a small niche with 28 posts is not likely to earn a big amount of money for anyone - no matter how good they are at IM. This may not be a "small" niche - but may be one where people look for professional help rather than peer advice.

      By all means, do something that pays the bills and work part-time on IM. It may surprise you one of these days if you expand your focus a bit.

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  • Profile picture of the author BonganiS
    I have seen people starting small in their businesses and growing with them. What I noted is that they took their businesses with all seriousness. That is the reason they grew them quickly. So as long as you see what you are doing as a hobby, it is most likely that it will remain a hobby. But if you are serious with it you will treat it as a business. It is true that most people start their businesses on part basis and once they have made a regular satisfactory income, they then go full time. So anyone chooses how he treats what he is doing i.e. whether a business or hobby.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    Hey, there's no shame in defeat. This 'aint for everyone.

    There's so much that goes into making this work. Reading forum posts won't constitute success. You've got to have mental and physical attributes and assets in place to stand a chance.

    In my few years of getting there, here's what I discovered I needed (and subsequently got):

    1. Self discipline
    2. The ability to work alone
    3. The ability to critique myself and ask questions internally
    4. Creativity
    5. Lots of spare time
    6. Supportive family/friends (some were lost in transit)
    7. A bit of money
    8. Good English
    9. A PLAN
    10. A PLAN that suits YOU, and makes you excited
    11. A basic grasp of marketing principles
    12. A firm grip on persuasion and influence
    13. Something unique to offer
    14. Something valuable to offer
    15. A way to reach people who want it (paid, free or both)
    16. A positive attitude
    17. A plan to scale out or exit

    I'm sure there are many more things, but those are your bread and butter.

    Some people actually find that working alone, with nobody to answer to, and nobody to correct them or keep them tied to the desk... is IMPOSSIBLE.

    It's very hard to transition from the typical 9-5 employee mindset to the position of "I've gotta do this, and I've gotta do it despite being free."

    Even more so when you realize that things aren't working... and there's no boss or supervisor to lean over and offer their help.

    You're on your own, most of the time. This forum helps massively, but the only solid answers you will get are from within.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Tees
    Many times I keep going in spite of people. There are people who would love to see me fall flat on my face, fail miserably and have to go out and get soul crushing 9-5 job just like them and be just as miserable as they are. But I refuse to give them the satisfaction, and I continue to persevere. Luckily for me I had other sources of income to support myself with while I was getting my online business going, and these other sources allowed me to invest in my business and start seeing some real success. I am a pioneer when it comes to this sort of work in a family of traditionalist who work 9-5 type jobs where they report to someone else’s brick and mortar business, friends tend to be the same way but sometimes the most supportive people are the ones you’d least suspect and that support doesn’t actually come from the people you’d expect it from.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Rufus
    Hey feedtherightwolf,

    Things are always tough in the beginning. I spent years just being a "learner" (...or should I say someone that was scared of actually doing something...) but there was one thing that changed everything for me (...and just passing it on to see if it will help you...)

    The day that I forgot about MAKING MONEY and really started to think how to BUILD A BUSINESS is the time when I got a little success.

    If you bought a brick and mortar shop on your local high street, you wouldn't expect it to make $1m in it's first week. But you would hope that you'd be able to grow it steadily as time went on.

    Then you'd put systems and processes in place so that you could replace yourself in the business and grow even faster.

    It's the same online. Building a business takes WORK and sometimes we don't want to hear that, but the four hour work week is possible if you want to design youR BUSINESS to be that way.

    In the first 10 days that I actually started to take things seriously and started treating things like a business...

    1. I made $273.15 ($97 of which was recurring monthly)
    2. Built a list of 199
    3. Built a buyers list of 12

    The PREVIOUS 2 YEARS BEFORE THAT I HAD MADE ABSOLUTELY ZIP AND HAD A LIST OF ZERO. NOTHING. NADA.

    Now those are VERY, VERY SMALL numbers (...stop laughing at the back there...) but all that happened because of 2 things.

    1. Just focused on doing 1 thing (...building a list i.e. building a business...)
    2. Forgot about making money and "worried" solely about building a business that gives VALUE.

    Oh and did that while working a full time job (...shift work. Horrible, horrible shifts...) and looking after two children (...aptly named Monster Inc. ...)

    You do have to think about your current responsibilities, never forget that, and I know that sometimes we warriors can be a "little harsh".

    But what I'm really trying to say is DON'T GIVE UP UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!

    Maybe what you're trying is not the right model for you. Just try a different one.

    Or if you're determined to carry on with what you're doing, and other people have made it before you, then CARRY ON UNTIL YOU MAKE IT WORK.

    Learn from every so called "failure" because that just means your one step closer to success.

    Note: I'm no goo-roo and still very new in the internet marketing world, but I've learnt a lot and since putting what I've learnt into ACTION have seen some results.
    Just got to ramp things up now.

    In the words from one of my favourite films...

    YOU CAN DO IT!

    (...crazy guy from the film The Waterboy...)

    Reach new heights everyone.

    Nathan
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Well, you can blame Google for forcing people to no follow links and going after link sellers. I have this dream. Larry Page calls Matthew Cutts.

    "Hi Matt, I need to see you in my office now."
    "Huh, I'm busy telling a blogger to no follow all their links and and asking a newspaper to do the same."
    "I said right now!"
    "Yes sir....."

    "Matt, I'm real sorry. We are going to have to make some CUTTS. I'm afraid we are not on the same page."
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Tees
    Most people who “fail.” quit before they ever really get going or find that they aren’t achieving overnight success with minimal work so “screw it it must be a scam.” I find those who keep at it and treat it like a real business are the ones who eventually “make it.” it may take months, it may take years, but sooner or later they get there and make up for lost time. Some opportunities and niches just aren’t really a good fit for certain people, but these people have what it takes and would other wise make it in different opportunities and niches. I know many people who struggled for years in network marketing but instantly achieved success when going into business for themselves or going into affiliate and article marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I think it is important for me to realize, that my chances of making it, in the online marketing are very small.
    I think this is only true because you believe it to be true.

    From your post it seems like you could make it online. I mean you seem to be fairly smart, organized and even have a good grasp of the whole "online" thing.

    But, perhaps the problem that you are facing (and many newbies face) is that you have a lot of self doubt because you keep hearing how easy it is to make money online and you may be thinking that you lack what it takes because you've been working at it and aren't rich yet.

    The thing is that building an online business is the same as building any business - it takes time, money and faith.

    Most people don't want to put in the time (or the money) but I'm willing to be that most of us who are successful here gave up a lot of nights and weekends to build our business. I know I did (and still do a lot of the time!)

    And many don't have the faith it takes to plug away at something day in and day out while not making very much because they are putting the bricks in place to build the business that will eventually earn them a good living with a much more relaxed work pace.

    Everybody wants to have that now, but it takes time to put the foundation in. So most people work at something for a week or two and when it doesn't produce a huge payday, they move on to something else. They never see the payday because they never stick with something long enough or put enough time into it.

    I think that anyone can "make it online" - the information is all out there you just need to make a plan and stick to it - that's the secret that no one wants to hear because it takes work, sacrifice and time.

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    • Profile picture of the author theonemansell
      I'm still a newbie to this whole IM world. What keeps me going is having a good partner who shares the same dreams as me of one day working online full time. We have made money here and there but have come to the realization that there is no IM tooth fairy that will one day leave piles of money under our pillow. Now what keeps me grounded is just going back to the basics and sticking with that. Doing keyword research. Getting a domain name. Building a website around that and trying to market it to the best of my ability. Obviously I just gave the short version of that whole process. I make sure I devout time each day to my goals even if its only a few minutes. Its definitely a long journey but I'm willing to take it. Its hard in this IM world but what me and my partner do everyday is give each other pep talks, bounce off ideas and make sure we keep each others eyes on the prize. In my opinion this is my hobby. Some people play golf, some people go out drinking, etc etc. Until I reach that plateau of turning the hobby into a full time business I have to treat it as such. I just don't think that since you call something a hobby that it isn't taken seriously. Isn't that where most successful businesses come from someones hobby ? Just my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post

    When I first found this forum I was ecstatic. By that point I've been trying to make money online through blogging and video marketing for about 1-2 years with not much success.
    This should be a very small part of your advertising each day.

    If I were to do this myself without doing others things like articles and PPC, I would not be as successful as I am today.

    So you need to do more things to get more traffic.

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  • Profile picture of the author freudianslip27
    I agree with what others said in regards to how important it is to be super serious about this stuff. For years I just did okay in this stuff, but when I finally quit my day job (actually it was a night job haha) my business income really shot up, because I was in "all or nothing" mode.

    Of course you need to keep your priorities straight, and not take that step until you are making significant money, but I'm saying that you'll find that once you can focus on it 100%, it helps quite a bit

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    • Profile picture of the author feedtherightwolf
      This thread generated a very interesting response.

      I thought I would get a lot more hate mail than I originally thought I would.

      Personally I am in a very competitive niche, with very few buyers, thats why I am failing.

      But I've met a few guys on this forum
      who dumped their life time savings chasing their dream, puting their families well being in danger.

      That is why I think its important for me to be real and practical as much as optimistic and creative.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wizardofwisdom
    You're in danger here of falling into the trap of believing that there's a bunch of other people, (in this instance, Forum Warriors), who know secrets without which you can't really reach the top.

    As someone who's taught and written on self help topics for more than 30 years I can say with some authority - and experience - that that in itself is the BS that's stopping you from making money.

    I'm not saying there aren't folks on this forum who know stacks of really great stuff - there are, and this is without doubt the best place on the net, (in the world!), to hang out if you want to learn your craft and your business.

    What I AM saying is: START! Pick ONE strategy and ONE market and hit it. I started out - years before the net was born - simply as a writer looking for ways to get published. I got some stuff in magazines, but once the net showed up, hey, I was in heaven.

    Except it wasn't as easy as it looked, (as we all now know). But you know what? I've made a lot of money on line over the years. It doesn't feel like it sometimes because it's 50 bucks here, 20 there, then maybe a couple of hundred now and then. Each sale is a triumph and a learning curve and a stepping stone.

    Here's just a handful of what I can now claim some serious knowledge in - as just a writer:

    SEO
    Article Marketing
    HTML
    Squeeze pages
    Google webmaster tools
    Keyword research
    Web 2.0
    ... and probably a bunch of stuff I've not thought of.

    I'm not an expert - but I know ENOUGH.

    And so do you, buddy! You know enough to come on to this forum at least. So instead of hiding behind the belief that you'll be one of the ones who won't make it big, why don't you use your time to sniff out some of the real wisdom and knowledge that's dispensed here and take a step. Just ONE more. Find a strategy that you feel you could work with and understand and work it, work it, work it.

    Then come back and find another.

    This is a great place. I'm not a big fish in the IM world - that's not my ambition. But I love to learn, and if I can help others to grow then I've done a good deed too.

    I hope I may have helped you to grow a little - business wise - today.

    Good luck, my friend,
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Personally I am in a very competitive niche, with very few buyers, thats why I am failing.
      Exactly! You can't succeed financially in a niche without buyers....I don't care how focused or anything else you are. A niche MUST have traffic and buyers or it's not going to be profitable.

      There's no reason you have to leave that niche if it has personal meaning to you. Many IMers have hobby sites in areas they enjoy. But it does mean you need to branch into other niches and sites if money is the goal.


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  • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
    There's 4 types..

    The three you mention then the one's addicted to porn..

    They're your target market however I reckon the higher percentage want more porn and not a cure!
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post

    When I first found this forum I was ecstatic. By that point I've been trying to make money online through blogging and video marketing for about 1-2 years with not much success.

    When I saw all of the information on this site, I began to feel like I've found the missing peace of information. If I were only to read all of the posts, and extract all of the information, I'll be rich in no time...

    After reading and observing this forum for a while, I came to the following conclusions. There are 3 kinds of people who post on this forum.

    Newbies like myself, who are not making any money, but really believe in making money, and dream of the lifestyle. They constantly make plans, and start post titled something like follow me on my journey to make $100 per day, and they usually fail.

    Fakesperts (fake experts) who are keeping newbies dreams alive, by providing them with tons of information and semi-fake earnings, most of which they make by selling stuff to the newbies.

    Real Experts, this guys don't show up often because they are busy doing real work. When they do post, they provide very insightful information. It is also apparent from their post that they work harder than an average person at a regular job. They are well organized, and they deliver. They may be living the dream in terms of lifestyle and money, but they sure do put a lot of work to get there (no 4-hour-work weeks there).

    So what is the point of me typing this post? For myself primarily. The best way to get a grasp of an idea, is by trying to express it to others in a comprehensible manner.

    I think it is important for me to realize, that my chances of making it, in the online marketing are very small. And while I will not give up on my dream, and will continue to work on it, it is important to remember, that this is only a hobby, until I am able to earn real money with it.

    And since for now it is only a hobby, I cannot let it interfere with my normal responsibilities. And it does mean that I need to get a real job, to pay my real bills. And that time I spend reading warrior forum is not work or business (because I don't make money of it), and it's OK to do it in my free time, but I should not make it my first priority.

    So while I love my hobby, and I do believe that one day I will be able to turn it into a real business, it is important for me to remember that I don't know when and if it will ever happen, and until then I must take care of my real responsibilities (college education and a real job) first.

    Interesting.

    Maybe you should ask this guy if he agrees with you or not.

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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      Interesting.

      Maybe you should ask this guy if he agrees with you or not.

      Overcome Pornography
      Not sure what the OP has for credentials ... possibly just his own struggles with porn addiction and sharing his experience.

      Overcome Pornography guy has credentials
      About Ryan Wynder

      which are important to me in a field like treating addictions of any kind, whether it be porn, alcohol, drugs, etc.

      Unfortunately in the offline world, licensed addictions counselors don't make a lot of money and many of the best ones leave the profession to make a better living. This guy is also a psychotherapist, so he has more education than is required to be a CAC (Certified Addictions Counselor).

      Personally, I think without those kind of credentials, it's going to be hard to "sell" this crowd, and again, giving out anything like "professional" advice when you aren't a professional in this field is probably not a great idea.
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      • Profile picture of the author feedtherightwolf
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Not sure what the OP has for credentials ... possibly just his own struggles with porn addiction and sharing his experience.

        Overcome Pornography guy has credentials
        About Ryan Wynder

        which are important to me in a field like treating addictions of any kind, whether it be porn, alcohol, drugs, etc.

        Unfortunately in the offline world, licensed addictions counselors don't make a lot of money and many of the best ones leave the profession to make a better living. This guy is also a psychotherapist, so he has more education than is required to be a CAC (Certified Addictions Counselor).

        Personally, I think without those kind of credentials, it's going to be hard to "sell" this crowd, and again, giving out anything like "professional" advice when you aren't a professional in this field is probably not a great idea.
        Very good points. And I am not a professional counselor and don't want to be one. And that is probably why I have a hard time getting my message out, because people are looking for credentials.

        My intent for this blog is really to provide free and quality information that I learned on my own way to recovery. I've read a lot of books, and I've paid a lot of "professionals" and I had to cut through a lot of crap and people out to make a quick $ in order to find real help.

        My commission mainly comes from Amazon, Ad sense, Few Affiliate Programs, and Donations. But, I have a very high bounce rate, mainly because my site and advice is not professional.

        I really ought to take the IM knowledge that I got from promoting this blog in a very competitive niche and turn it into something profitable and something that does not require credentials (or something where my experience will be enough credentials needed to get the business).
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post

          I really ought to take the IM knowledge that I got from promoting this blog in a very competitive niche and turn it into something profitable and something that does not require credentials (or something where my experience will be enough credentials needed to get the business).
          I agree. Addictions counseling is a "helping profession" and certainly people with personal experience in recovery have a lot to share, but there's a line between sharing your personal experience and professional advice that cannot be crossed.

          If you are passionate about sharing your personal experience with addictions, I would continue it, but for money ... I would try out some different niches where it's easier to make money.
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Not sure what the OP has for credentials ... possibly just his own struggles with porn addiction and sharing his experience.

        Overcome Pornography guy has credentials
        About Ryan Wynder

        which are important to me in a field like treating addictions of any kind, whether it be porn, alcohol, drugs, etc.

        Unfortunately in the offline world, licensed addictions counselors don't make a lot of money and many of the best ones leave the profession to make a better living. This guy is also a psychotherapist, so he has more education than is required to be a CAC (Certified Addictions Counselor).

        Personally, I think without those kind of credentials, it's going to be hard to "sell" this crowd, and again, giving out anything like "professional" advice when you aren't a professional in this field is probably not a great idea.
        Credentials or not, Ryan is one of Russ Brunson's micro-continuity case studies and making bank on his internet marketing program.

        If being an "expert" or having a pedigree were a prerequisite for being successful as a marketer, about 99.999999998% of all internet marketers would be SOL.

        Tony Robbins didn't pioneer NLP. But Tony Robbins is exponentially more wealthy than Richard Bandler.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

          Credentials or not, Ryan is one of Russ Brunson's micro-continuity case studies and making bank on his internet marketing program.

          If being an "expert" or having a pedigree were a prerequisite for being successful as a marketer, about 99.999999998% of all internet marketers would be SOL.

          Tony Robbins didn't pioneer NLP. But Tony Robbins is exponentially more wealthy than Richard Bandler.
          Being an expert and having credentials is not necessary for much of the type of Internet Marketing I've seen, but I would steer very clear of medical/psychological advice without credentials.
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          • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            Being an expert and having credentials is not necessary for much of the type of Internet Marketing I've seen, but I would steer very clear of medical/psychological advice without credentials.
            Well, at one level I agree with you for the obvious potential FTC and liability issues.

            But if someone absolutely wanted to make this sort of thing their niche, there's another school of thought that says someone COULD become successful in that kind of niche through one or more of the following strategies...

            1. they based their entire story around their own personal experience... "I'm just a regular guy that couldn't quit rubbing one out in the middle of the night to those awesomesauce 'Bang Bus' vids. I was embarassed to admit that I had a problem so I set out to cure myself. This is what worked for me - but in no way am I an expert or should anyone construe anything that I say as being medical advice. Seek the advice of your physician in every instance."

            2. they based everything on valid, published, accepted practices and cited their sources openly with complete disclosure

            3. they become the "wandering researcher", interviewing experts and compiling interviews as their own product... this is how Tony Robbins got started in self-help and NLP

            4. they even partner with a physician or licensed therapist to review it and give an endorsement - or even be the front person for a royalty. Just focus on building the marketing as the publisher.

            I'm sure an enterprising person who is actually out to make money in that segment could come up with some more if they treated it like a real business instead of a hobby.
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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

              Well, at one level I agree with you for the obvious potential FTC and liability issues.

              But if someone absolutely wanted to make this sort of thing their niche, there's another school of thought that says someone COULD become successful in that kind of niche through one or more of the following strategies...

              1. they based their entire story around their own personal experience... "I'm just a regular guy that couldn't quit rubbing one out in the middle of the night to those awesomesauce 'Bang Bus' vids. I was embarassed to admit that I had a problem so I set out to cure myself. This is what worked for me - but in no way am I an expert or should anyone construe anything that I say as being medical advice. Seek the advice of your physician in every instance."

              2. they based everything on valid, published, accepted practices and cited their sources openly with complete disclosure

              3. they become the "wandering researcher", interviewing experts and compiling interviews as their own product... this is how Tony Robbins got started in self-help and NLP

              4. they even partner with a physician or licensed therapist to review it and give an endorsement - or even be the front person for a royalty. Just focus on building the marketing as the publisher.

              I'm sure an enterprising person who is actually out to make money in that segment could come up with some more if they treated it like a real business instead of a hobby.
              All of the above would be perfectly legal and ethical, but what exactly will he be selling? If it's adsense, no problem, but if it's an ebook that professes to have a "cure", there could be a problem.
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            • Profile picture of the author feedtherightwolf
              Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post


              1. they based their entire story around their own personal experience... "I'm just a regular guy that couldn't quit rubbing one out in the middle of the night to those awesomesauce 'Bang Bus' vids. I was embarassed to admit that I had a problem so I set out to cure myself. This is what worked for me - but in no way am I an expert or should anyone construe anything that I say as being medical advice. Seek the advice of your physician in every instance."
              LOL, in Summary it is my strategy.
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              • Profile picture of the author davidjames42973
                For starters don't consider it a hobby. This is a business whether you're making a million dollars or no dollars. Just like any business you can be a overnight success or it can take you 20 years to succeed.

                Find a solid way to scale up your business and stay focused. Also don't let the newest and hottest WSO's distract you from what you're doing either.
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          Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

          Credentials or not, Ryan is one of Russ Brunson's micro-continuity case studies and making bank on his internet marketing program.

          If being an "expert" or having a pedigree were a prerequisite for being successful as a marketer, about 99.999999998% of all internet marketers would be SOL.

          Tony Robbins didn't pioneer NLP. But Tony Robbins is exponentially more wealthy than Richard Bandler.
          Did you know Tony Robbins had never written a book before and he wrote the whole personal power series in like a week or something... you know what his credentials were? This:

          "I have made a lifetime of studying human behavior and what make us tick..."

          Turns out , without any major credentials... he was right his studies lead to some great motivational fuel for others.

          The lesson of "Anchors" has been worth a mint to me.
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Feedtherightwolf, I commend you for accepting your responsibilities and doing what you have to do to meet them.

            That said, you have to really look inside and figure out if you want a real business, or if you want a hobby 'chasing the dream'. You really can have either one. It's your choice.

            Just because you are at a point where you can't go balls to the walls does not mean you can't have a real business. It just means that you have to accept building slower in the beginning, which leads to this:

            Originally Posted by NicheMayhem View Post

            I have two words for anybody in the position of feeling like they either aren't ever going to make it or are going to wait it out and see what happens:

            Ready?


            Baby Steps.
            Since you know that there are not a lot of buyers in your current niche, that site might be the one that you do for passion. It does not mean you can't find something you can do for the money at the same time.

            Take baby steps.

            There is solid information in this very forum for each step along the way. Along with the learning, do some lab work.

            When studying chemistry, you can read about various chemical reactions. But the point hits home much stronger when YOU pour the blue stuff into the red stuff and it turns clear...

            Take baby steps. Find one niche that you can handle working in that has searchers and buyers. Put up one squeeze page. Write a handful of articles and distribute them. Shoot for a list of 100, then look to double it. Make one sale, then look to double it or do the next one in half the time.

            Treat it like a real business, build as slowly as you have to on a solid foundation.

            Reading the stories from the people who say, "I burned the boats and now I'm successful" might be inspiring. But it doesn't work for everyone. And most of those people never tell you about the times they're scared spitless because they need something to come through to put groceries on the table or pay the light bill.

            The truth is, you can make it, if you really want to.

            If you decide that what you really want IS the hobby, that's cool too...
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  • Profile picture of the author Gemini9
    Reading your post got me rather disheartened. But then I further and the positive, pragmatic suggestions from other members lifted my spirits.

    But thanks 'feedtherightwolf' for sharing your experiences.

    Originally Posted by feedtherightwolf View Post

    When I first found this forum I was ecstatic. By that point I've been trying to make money online through blogging and video marketing for about 1-2 years with not much success.

    When I saw all of the information on this site, I began to feel like I've found the missing peace of information. If I were only to read all of the posts, and extract all of the information, I'll be rich in no time...

    After reading and observing this forum for a while, I came to the following conclusions. There are 3 kinds of people who post on this forum.

    Newbies like myself, who are not making any money, but really believe in making money, and dream of the lifestyle. They constantly make plans, and start post titled something like follow me on my journey to make $100 per day, and they usually fail.

    Fakesperts (fake experts) who are keeping newbies dreams alive, by providing them with tons of information and semi-fake earnings, most of which they make by selling stuff to the newbies.

    Real Experts, this guys don't show up often because they are busy doing real work. When they do post, they provide very insightful information. It is also apparent from their post that they work harder than an average person at a regular job. They are well organized, and they deliver. They may be living the dream in terms of lifestyle and money, but they sure do put a lot of work to get there (no 4-hour-work weeks there).

    So what is the point of me typing this post? For myself primarily. The best way to get a grasp of an idea, is by trying to express it to others in a comprehensible manner.

    I think it is important for me to realize, that my chances of making it, in the online marketing are very small. And while I will not give up on my dream, and will continue to work on it, it is important to remember, that this is only a hobby, until I am able to earn real money with it.

    And since for now it is only a hobby, I cannot let it interfere with my normal responsibilities. And it does mean that I need to get a real job, to pay my real bills. And that time I spend reading warrior forum is not work or business (because I don't make money of it), and it's OK to do it in my free time, but I should not make it my first priority.

    So while I love my hobby, and I do believe that one day I will be able to turn it into a real business, it is important for me to remember that I don't know when and if it will ever happen, and until then I must take care of my real responsibilities (college education and a real job) first.
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  • Profile picture of the author honor
    "Don't ever let anyone tell you you can't do it - not even me! If you've got a dream then you have to protect it. When people can't do something themselves, they wanna tell you you can't do it either. If you want something that bad then go get it. PERIOD
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      Originally Posted by honor View Post

      "Don't ever let anyone tell you you can't do it - not even me! If you've got a dream then you have to protect it. When people can't do something themselves, they wanna tell you you can't do it either. If you want something that bad then go get it. PERIOD
      Thank You! I love this quote/movie.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    "Most of us will never make it online..." is like saying "most of us (in this world) will never make it without a job Period.

    The ole 80 20 rule applies always... our question, no matter what the endeavor, is "Which side of that number am I gonna be on"?

    We all share the opportunity equally.

    Am I gonna work in a potatoe field, or am I gonna be the guy who owns the potatoe field?

    We all have a choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author uniquemarketer
    It's true that making money online is very difficult. It requires lots of skills, patience, and dedication. You have to constantly upgrade your skills and be the master of everything. If not, then you have to outsource some of it.

    The skills I consider important are:
    -Good copywriting
    -Good web design skills. YOu have to have an eyes for good presentation and organization of information. You only have 5 secs to impress someone who visits your website.
    -Learn how to master PPC
    -Analytics skill to analyze the data and constantly optimizing your site to increase conversation, time on site, traffic, etc

    Although I haven't made enough money to quit my full time job, the skills that I have learned have opened lots of career opportunities for me. I now can do consulting and help other business owners or I get find a job as a internet marketing specialist which is in high demand right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mattaym
    I think the key thing to success is to never give up. If you continually try something and put your all into it, you can't not succeed. It's pretty much a fact.

    I'm not internet marketing millionaire. In fact, I took the last 2 months off to work on other things in my life that needed work(and I was pretty burned out on writing articles all day and night) - I came back, surprised that I had around 100+ sales on amazon, and Clickbank sales from sites I haven't touched in over 5 months.

    I run a non-profit, and after trying over 60 ideas that took lots of time, effort, and money on multiple people's parts, we finally had an idea that was a winner. We held a 4 hour event and charge around half the price of most people. The result? over $900 in that time span, and we're going to be doing one event per month. Finally - a success!

    I hope you get inspired to keep going, sir. Good luck to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Tees
    To many people failure simply isn’t an option which is why they do everything they can to insure their success. They’ll invest the time, effort and money into their business to try and achieve the dream. I find that those with nothing to really fall back on or look forward to should they fail tend to achieve success sooner rather than later. Someone who has things to fall back on (safe secure job, brick and mortar business, college degrees.) may have more of a “take it or leave it.” mentality success in IM would be nice but won’t break them if they don’t achieve it.
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  • Profile picture of the author scorpion
    The 'gurus' sold us a lie that we can make tons of money easily with little effort.
    They spent thousands of dollars on the course and end up selling the gurus' product.
    They could not even earn their school fees.

    As long as I treat IM as a hobby, I never make money.
    Until the day I took it serious cos I lost my job.
    It was very hard work. It can take weeks to earn the first dollars.
    It takes 10 projects to find one take works.
    It takes 100 contacts to make one sale.

    Is it easy to make money online? No
    Is it possible to earn a decent income? Yes
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  • Profile picture of the author paulpower
    I am a newbier too, but am determined to make this work for my little girl.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel F. Lavoie
    I need to go back working on my product so I'll make this quick...

    This is the ONLY secret to success online (and in life):

    Laser Focus + Passion + Action = Success

    Laser Focus: Please... please... don't get distracted by the next shiny object... or WSO.

    Passion: If you are passionated by what you are doing you will be able to put a lot of time and work into your business without being discouraged.

    Action: So obvious... To save time, don't aim for perfection. 80%+ is good enough. Don't wait to have the best landing page, the best sales page, etc before putting it online. Put the damn thing online NOW. I remember when I started my business... I had a 14% CR on my squeeze page but I'm at 45% now. Improvements come with split tests.

    Hope this help.
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  • Profile picture of the author bodhisattva331
    Sure, not everyone will be able to make a nice living from it but anybody (and I mean anybody) can generate some supplemental income (on a residual basis even). At least you've managed your expectations (which is good), but I would not kill them entirely just yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    I have been full time Internet Marketer since 2007, had ups and downs. Settled into my niche of Internet Marketing for Retail/Offline businesses. I also supplement that with affiliate earnings and selling Internet Marketing Education globally.
    Those who aren't earning income full time, hang in there and stay focused.
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  • Profile picture of the author aspiepower
    You're wrong in your first post ... there aren't three types, because I am not any of those three types, so there must be four.

    I am somebody who, armed with a bit of knowledge and lots of time, simply ploughed in, checked the stats, saw people were coming to my site for something I wasn't giving them ... started giving them it ... and hey presto, a full-time income overnight without having to produce a single product or be good or expert about anything.

    I've since battled with all manner of problems... and I just sit and work through them no matter how long that ends up taking ... and some things take years... I started on day one wanting "a CMS where people login and join and I can show members one lot of stuff and non-members another, then I can email my list" ... thing was, I picked the wrong system - I couldn't mail my list unless I learnt programming/ASP/stuff ... so I left it and the members kept joining and I wasn't mailing ... so after 2 years I bought a module that did the mailing, but I was on the wrong hosting (150 cap/hour), so a year later (after my host had died and I'd moved the whole domain) I sent my email ... only to find out I shouldn't have done that and it nearly crashed the server ... but you know what ... I'm already working towards another mailing in the next week, with the cooperation of my host ... and this time it'll work. I'm still on the wrong hosting, as my emails will take about 20 days to send .. because of the cap. But never mind. Better it takes 20 days than never goes.

    Tenacity... that's the key. Work out what your problems are and eventually get round to them. My site's still full of inconsistencies, problems, issues ... but one day I'll have covered them all because I never give up... I also, it seems, don't move that fast either
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