Do this and you lose me forever...

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It seems that some supposedly legitimate internet marketers are adopting some of the spammers techniques such as sending an email with a title such as "Payment Received..." .

If you send me such an email and it does not directly relate to a payment I sent you then you are on my blacklist forever.

These geniuses also send similar messages constantly, which only highlights the fact that they are spamming.

Be warned, as everyone I know is being made aware of this.
#forever #lose
  • Profile picture of the author Doomone
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Originally Posted by Doomone View Post

      I've been receiving the same email titles but with different promotions. And these big dawg marketers are using autoresponders like aweber & getresponse to spam me!

      I've tried unsubscribing but the same emails keep coming into my inbox & spambox. What should I do? Spam 'em back? lols!
      Yup, same here. Some very "respected" marketers on that list. Good thing I use a throw-away email to sign up to all those lists.

      Some of the "big names" are getting desperate. Seeing this makes my day - it's been a long time coming. The "circle" is about to fall apart I think... and it'll start all over again a good few years later.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Lin
    I also keep receiving the same email titled 'Payment received...' This type of marketing method is ridiculous. I wonder where they took my email from? It seem like they sent from multi-person with same spamming method. They should learn how to market properly.
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  • Profile picture of the author billspaced
    Originally Posted by Ron Kerr View Post

    It seems that some supposedly legitimate internet marketers are adopting some of the spammers techniques such as sending an email with a title such as "Payment Received..." .

    If you send me such an email and it does not directly relate to a payment I sent you then you are on my blacklist forever.

    These geniuses also send similar messages constantly, which only highlights the fact that they are spamming.

    Be warned, as everyone I know is being made aware of this.
    Ron, I couldn't agree more. It's a deceptive and dishonest practice and is prohibited by the anti-SPAM laws (at least in the US). I suggest not only blacklisting them personally, but that you report them to the authorities. After a few folks are made examples, this "brilliant" marketing ploy will fade away.

    Each infraction is subject to a penalty of $16,000. Imagine sending an mass email to 5000 people...do the math.

    From The CAN-SPAM Act: A Compliance Guide for Business
    Don't use deceptive subject lines. The subject line must accurately reflect the content of the message.
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  • Profile picture of the author brendan301
    i just got an email like that from howie schwartz regarding mobile money sites. even if i was considering getting one, this just pissed me off and now i don't know if i'll ever buy anything from him
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    It's deceptive but doubt it's illegal to have that kind of subject
    line.

    This is another 'flavor of the month' approach with a limited life
    span. Marketers begin using it, copycatting others, then its use
    becomes so widespread that eventually they see no one's opening
    their emails.

    Oh... time to try something else.

    Lesson to email marketers to avoid trickery and work on email copy
    skills.

    On the other hand, spammers make money on the unsuspecting and
    inexperienced. There will always be an unwitting target audience for
    them. So it may take a while before that subject line fizzles into
    obscurity.

    Ken
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    • Profile picture of the author billspaced
      Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

      It's deceptive but doubt it's illegal to have that kind of subject
      line.

      This is another 'flavor of the month' approach with a limited life
      span. Marketers begin using it, copycatting others, then its use
      becomes so widespread that eventually they see no one's opening
      their emails.

      Oh... time to try something else.

      Lesson to email marketers to avoid trickery and work on email copy
      skills.

      On the other hand, spammers make money on the unsuspecting and
      inexperienced. There will always be an unwitting target audience for
      them. So it may take a while before that subject line fizzles into
      obscurity.

      Ken
      It's definitely illegal in the US, but it's so prevalent that nobody (statistically speaking) will get penalized for it. However, if the FTC wanted to make an example of someone, it would be really easy. Just pick the first 10 guys who do this and hammer them to the fullest extent of the law.

      I, for one, just want the deceptive practices to stop. The best way I know how is via the market - do it to me and I unsubscribe and never subscribe to anything of yours again. (Of course, not "you" personally.)
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      • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
        Originally Posted by billspaced View Post

        It's definitely illegal in the US, but it's so prevalent that nobody (statistically speaking) will get penalized for it.
        Thanks, Bill. I would not have thought it to be illegal. Not that I would
        ever do it.

        You never know with the current focus the FTC has, lately. You're right
        though, all they need to do is hammer a few people to get ears to perk up. lol


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  • Profile picture of the author V12
    I just unsubscribed from two lists after getting these subject lines:

    'I need your Paypal address...' , and

    'paypal you $100?' .

    Does this stuff really work? It sure didn't for me.

    Abdul.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
      A couple of the big name guys lists who I am on you try to "unsubscribe" and you keep getting sent emails!
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    • Profile picture of the author billspaced
      Originally Posted by Opportunex View Post

      I just unsubscribed from two lists after getting these subject lines:

      'I need your Paypal address...' , and

      'paypal you $100?' .

      Does this stuff really work? It sure didn't for me.

      Abdul.
      "They" think it works, so they keep doing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trent Brownrigg
    Yep, I have been unsubscribing from lists a lot lately when they use those subject lines. A lot of marketers are using them now and it does nothing but make them look bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    I HATE this!....lately, all of a sudden I've gotten 2 of these. Makes me think I bought something I didn't. ...shows desperation and lack of respect on the part of the marketer.
    ....actually one was from a WF member as I recall.
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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    I get a few every day with the title:

    You've got money

    What a horrid tactic, it just gets your e-mail marked as spam and me not seeing the rest of your mailing list e-mails forever...

    I've been thinking of e-mailing my list "You don't have money, Yet", sounds a bit more appropriate of what those usual e-mails are about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I love the ones that say...."Your lady will love your bigger tool"

      I thought the screwdriver I was using was more than big enough to get the
      job done. :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I love the ones that say...."Your lady will love your bigger tool"

        I thought the screwdriver I was using was more than big enough to get the
        job done. :confused:
        LOL,

        I have a bunch of those in my spammy box. They also told me that I'm getting old for my women?? :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

          They also told me that I'm getting old for my women?? :confused:
          Well, come on, man. 15 is the new 50.
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      • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I love the ones that say...."Your lady will love your bigger tool"

        I thought the screwdriver I was using was more than big enough to get the
        job done. :confused:
        palm-forehead-sigh...


        Ken
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      • Profile picture of the author Sonomacats
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I love the ones that say...."Your lady will love your bigger tool"

        I thought the screwdriver I was using was more than big enough to get the
        job done. :confused:
        I went for the biggest circular saw on the block. Especially since the only other females in my house (besides me) are feline. Oh well ...

        As to that opening, as far as I'm concerned, it's spam and gets marked as such. If I was foolish enough to subscribe, I undo that mistake faster than my circular saw can zip through a 2x2.

        The best newsletter I get comes once a week and the subject line is always the name of the newsletter and the title of the article. I've been on that list for nearly 15 years because every week I get an amazing article (self-improvement kind of thing - Dr Philip E Humbert, Author, Speaker and Coach) that applies to business and other good stuff. His promotions are appropriate and in line with what he talks about.

        As a result, I always open his eMails because there is tremendous value and no in-your-face screaming about the next big thing. I also modeled his newsletter for my own it was so good.

        As for some of these other characters, however, they're lucky if I'm on their list for more than 2 weeks and even that's pushing it.

        You can do really well by being authentic and providing value. Using scam/spam tricks and just pushing one thing after another isn't going to get you anywhere. You might score a few bucks in the short run, but not in the long haul.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamjar919
    Best way to get sales = PROVIDE QUALITY CONTENT

    Not going around spamming people!
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    • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
      Why the heck would ANYBODY send an email like that?!?

      They are smearing their own name!?!
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      • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
        Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

        Why the heck would ANYBODY send an email like that?!?

        They are smearing their own name!?!
        It builds up people's excitement to open the e-mail. Picture this: Your a total noobie, and you get an e-mail that you've made a commission. Your suddenly going to get a rush of happiness and open the e-mail..

        Then it's gone, when you find out, it's an ad for the next "big system", that someone has released.

        It's pretty much exploitation of curiosity. I wouldn't send that e-mail to my list, because I know that people, would be upset, when they find out they never made a commission, but it's some silly ad.

        Yeah, there more likely to actually open the e-mail, then spam title a,b & c, but the point is, you're going to disappoint them, and frustrate them. On a side note, I don't notice these e-mails because gMail filters one's that seem like spam, even worse for those trying to send them.

        Real Titles = Win, Win.

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    • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
      Originally Posted by jamjar919 View Post

      Best way to get sales = PROVIDE QUALITY CONTENT

      Not going around spamming people!
      Exactly. I've never understood how spammers think that tricking people and annoying them is going to convert to sales. All the time they're wasting buying email addresses or coming up with phony subject line - they could be spending coming up with something of value for their readers.

      Whenever I sign up for something, I know there's going to be a sales pitch involved. That's just the nature of the beast. But before you give me the sales pitch, I want some valuable information. Give me a great tidbit or an update to something newsworthy in the niche, and I'll be way more inclined to actually buy from you.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by jamjar919 View Post

      Best way to get sales = PROVIDE QUALITY CONTENT

      Not going around spamming people!
      The first part of that statement is not always true, which I have found out. Depends on the niche and the focus of the list - but that's for another thread

      But the second part...should be common sense. (By the way - it's not spamming in and of itself, but I know what you meant. The word "spam" gets tossed around incorrectly a lot. But that too is for another thread).

      I was a bit surprised myself with a few people who used that "Payment Received..." subject line lately...

      I didn't unsub though... everyone is entitled to a bonehead move once in a while. Plus it takes more than that to "piss me off".
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  • Profile picture of the author NoGimmicks
    I think the people sending these emails are focussing so much on increasing their open-rate that they're forgetting the important stuff - like giving people a reason to read the email, and click through etc.

    I thought it was just the "smaller" IMers doing this but it looks like for some bizarre reason that the bigger players in the field are doing it too, depite the fact that they should know better!

    Still - at least this way the frustration is helping me whittle down my subscriptions to just those people that actually deliver content rather than a pitch fest, so at least some good has come from it!

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  • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
    Originally Posted by Ron Kerr View Post

    It seems that some supposedly legitimate internet marketers are adopting some of the spammers techniques such as sending an email with a title such as "Payment Received..." .

    If you send me such an email and it does not directly relate to a payment I sent you then you are on my blacklist forever.

    These geniuses also send similar messages constantly, which only highlights the fact that they are spamming.

    Be warned, as everyone I know is being made aware of this.
    yes, I unsubbed from a couple of lists because of these shennanigans:rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Second post I've seen about this in a week. I guess marketers do it probably along the lines of putting "Fr.ee" is a good idea to beat SPAM folders because some guy said it once, when this is not necessary.

    However, I am on a lot of lists, most I just delete every day because you can't keep up with them all, and I don't recall seeing anyone putting this "payment received" in the subject link anytime, so I guess I'm on the good lists, aye?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      I got one from a marketer I respect and actually open his emails so I actually emailed him and asked why he would use deceptive subject lines.

      He replied that's just testing it out. Some mastermind group probably said it works great so they're all trying it because I have see more of this from the IM peeps.

      He apologized about it. It would be interesting to see if his unsubscribes/complaints/conversion rates change but I agree, I don't like tricking people to open my email like that even if it does work. It ticked me off but I like this person's emails so I'm staying on his list. If they do it more than once then yea I'm gone.

      But if I don't really know you and you start using those type of tricks then I'll unsub right away.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichLife
    I've never understood this strategy either. My opinion is if they're willing to deceive you with an email title, they're willing to deceive you with the product they're selling. Why would I ever want to do business with somebody who is so blatantly dishonest?

    The email title might as well read, "I'm a Dishonest Person...Want to Buy My Product?"
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    • Profile picture of the author Sonomacats
      Originally Posted by TheRichLife View Post

      I've never understood this strategy either. My opinion is if they're willing to deceive you with an email title, they're willing to deceive you with the product they're selling. Why would I ever want to do business with somebody who is so blatantly dishonest?

      The email title might as well read, "I'm a Dishonest Person...Want to Buy My Product?"
      Well said!
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  • Profile picture of the author Winlin
    Urgent Winlin, Your Bill Is Overdue

    Above is an E-mail Title I received today from a "Very well known marketer" I try to limit who I'm subscribed to and this person was on my OK list.... Not anymore.

    This is Crapola' marketing at it's best.

    and then it went onto this as one of the sales lines...

    "Are your bills overdue?
    Well, today, is the BIG Pre-launch
    of XXX (XXXXXXXXXX),doors
    open to the public to the first
    1000 people right now!"


    and what the he** ? I'm on his list for IM and Afilliate Info and he tries to sell me a book on running from debt? BAM!- Unsubscribed!

    This was a timely thread thanks for allowing a vehicle to vent...

    To your Success- WinLin
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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    Originally Posted by Ron Kerr View Post

    It seems that some supposedly legitimate internet marketers are adopting some of the spammers techniques such as sending an email with a title such as "Payment Received..." .

    If you send me such an email and it does not directly relate to a payment I sent you then you are on my blacklist forever.

    These geniuses also send similar messages constantly, which only highlights the fact that they are spamming.

    Be warned, as everyone I know is being made aware of this.
    Exactly. I've received many similar titled emails such as payment received, your order, or something imitating a purchase, order, or payment! It's just downright low to me personally.
    Thanks for the post
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  • Profile picture of the author Hackbridge
    I'm getting fed up with the ones saying "Your download is approved/confirmed"

    I don't really have time to fill up my hard drive with any more reports, that I have hardly time to read.

    Brian
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  • Profile picture of the author jaxrefinance
    It's called social engineering. Manipulating you to open it, it's still spam, not affiliating.

    Just "smarter" spam.
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  • Profile picture of the author rjaf
    I have had my share of these. I never even open them - straight into the big Bit Bucket, as anything that has "Your Account Approved", "Your Order ...", etc. looks too much like the PayPal/Western Union/etc. scams.

    The shame of it is that I like reading the bumf that "gurus" send.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Louis Monk
    Not only is this bad practice but I find I am getting too many emails from some IMers to be comfortable. Also some Imers I respect need to sort out their mailking lists and use them appropriately.
    For example why should I receive and email telling me about a product that I have already bought from them? It shows a lack of attention as to who is on their list and why.
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  • Profile picture of the author CPA
    In most cases, they are testing new stuff out and don't send an email like that twice.

    Don't like it - there's a blue link down there.

    The market changes a lot in a short period of time, you've got to adjust and you can't send the same stuff forever. They are just trying to get you to open that email, one way or another. Who knows, they might have a good product behind that as well. If not, unsubscribe and stick to marketers you like.
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  • Profile picture of the author hawkhill88
    While we're on the subject of stuff we hate about IM emails, can we get rid of the "Talk soon" at the end like you're gonna see the guy later in the day and have a confab? I don't know you and you don't know me, so why are you acting like we're friends, Mr. Marketer?
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  • Profile picture of the author shamabamma
    There's one IM that's started doing this and his email is like one word off from an actual PP notification. It drives me nuts because if I'm multitasking and not paying attention, I end up clicking on it and it's a link to some BS affiliate product that has been around the block a hundred times. I've emailed him and asked why he has stooped so low, but I have yet to hear anything. I'll post the reply.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Originally Posted by Ron Kerr View Post

    It seems that some supposedly legitimate internet marketers are adopting some of the spammers techniques such as sending an email with a title such as "Payment Received..." .

    If you send me such an email and it does not directly relate to a payment I sent you then you are on my blacklist forever.

    These geniuses also send similar messages constantly, which only highlights the fact that they are spamming.

    Be warned, as everyone I know is being made aware of this.
    Hi Ron,

    I'll take that one step further. I will instantly unsubscribe if I perceive the use of any subterfuge in the subject line. I truly believe things should stand on their own merits. Once you have to trick me into opening the message with an intentionally misleading subject line, you are telling me that the product isn't worth anything AND that you don't have a problem with lying.

    Yep, I'm with you Ron; instant blacklisting.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    That'd definitely earn the sender an unsubscribe from me, and yup, I've gotten a couple of those lately...

    I don't even understand the theory behind thinking that would work...
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  • Profile picture of the author Sonomacats
    I'll often stay on a list for awhile because the initial carrot was good and indicated that it might be worthwhile. But often I'm of two minds about staying on the list or taking a hike. Just one of these eMails solves THAT problem.

    Just got rid off 2 lists today.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Hi Ron,

    I take it a step further. I unsubscribe if I notice the use of any BS in the
    subject line. I believe if the email had any value it would stand on it's own
    merits. Once you have mislead me into opening a message using a BS
    subject line, you basicly told me that the product isn't worth anything AND
    you're a lier.

    I totally agree with you, I instantly unsubscribe and blacklist them.

    Have a Great Day!
    Michael

    PS. Michael Oksa,
    I was feeling a little lazy so I borrowed your post and spun it since it was
    basically what I wanted to say anyway!
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      Hi Ron,

      I take it a step further. I unsubscribe if I notice the use of any BS in the
      subject line. I believe if the email had any value it would stand on it's own
      merits. Once you have mislead me into opening a message using a BS
      subject line, you basicly told me that the product isn't worth anything AND
      you're a lier.

      I totally agree with you, I instantly unsubscribe and blacklist them.

      Have a Great Day!
      Michael

      PS. Michael Oksa,
      I was feeling a little lazy so I borrowed your post and spun it since it was
      basically what I wanted to say anyway!
      Hmmm....I wonder how much people would be willing to pay for spun forum posts?

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  • Profile picture of the author kbs
    I'm going to add my $0.02 here. If you're a subscriber to a list there's a good chance that even if you un subscribe, you'll still recieve emails. How can this be? Simply it works like this. Anyone that has an auto responder and has your email address can take your address and add it to another autoresponder series, even if you didn't sign up for it.

    For example: you've signed up for my 7 part mini course and i have your email. Once the 7 part course is done, I'll move your email from the mini course list over to my new offer. So it doesn't matter if you've unsubscribed from the 7 part mini course I'll still get you.....bwahhaahhhahh!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    For those of you complaining about getting "spammed" consider this.

    Someone recently unsubed from my list.
    They emailed me about getting email still so I did some digging.
    This person was on 3 of my lists with 3 emails (he used a catchall email to filter each list)

    More often than not if the mailer is using a big service you may be the reason you keep getting mail
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremiah Walsh
    The sad thing is that some people actually fall for it. If it didn't work (to a certain point) they wouldn't do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author astaga
    I've receive lots of these emails too.
    And I agree with the OP - they just ^%$*&# themselves in the .....
    They've just lost a potential customer.

    Now I know the rules of this forum do not allow for the naming of the culprit, I mean, party involved who is sending out these. Just thinking aloud, would be good if there is a "shame list", wouldn't it?
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  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    Count me in as one who doesn't respond well to this tactic!

    Have just spent some time pruning my Inbox. Everyone who has sent me anything like this is immediately unsubscribed from. Same with those who send the carbon-copy letters seconds apart, if you can't be bothered to at least write your own pre-sales letter for the latest ClickBank product then why on Earth should I buy it from you?

    And during the next round I'll likely be nuking those ones that start with "re:" that are not legitimate replies to anything I have sent - yes I'm aware that "re:" means "regarding" but all the same its an obvious tactic to get you to open the mail.

    Threads like this are great when you are planning your own e-mail campaign, as a list of what not to do.

    Bill
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