How can I outsource my automation software use?

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Guys, I have about 10 different pieces of automation software (SENuke, a few bots from Big Mike [Incansoft], SEO Elite, TheBestSpinner, etc.). I don't have enough time to use them as much as I should. How can I outsource their use to an oDesk or eLance contractor without buying a multi-user license or something? Thanks in advance.

- John
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  • Profile picture of the author imgoogle
    Go to a outsource site and then search with keywords like "social bookmarking" "Article marketing".

    All the people having there work profile with these keywords must also have been using such softwares and if not give them a guide to use such a software.

    Ask them to give you a preview that how they work you can use teamviewer for that..
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    • Profile picture of the author John Williamson
      No I understand that but if they don't own SENuke or have it on their computer how can I outsource that? See what I mean...
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      • Profile picture of the author hendricius
        Originally Posted by jtwillia1 View Post

        No I understand that but if they don't own SENuke or have it on their computer how can I outsource that? See what I mean...
        Instead of hiring someone who have senuke, you can buy them one license to whom already know how to use senuke, it will likely reduce your budget you can just pay him as ur Va
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticlePrince
    Create another username in your computer and give them remote access, problem solved :-) Restrict that username (obviously), btw
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    • Profile picture of the author John Williamson
      Originally Posted by ArticlePrince View Post

      Create another username in your computer and give them remote access, problem solved :-) Restrict that username (obviously), btw
      What's the easiest or cheapest way to provide remote access? Never dealt with that before.
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      • Profile picture of the author tht222
        Originally Posted by jtwillia1 View Post

        What's the easiest or cheapest way to provide remote access? Never dealt with that before.
        You can use Team Viewer or LogMeIn, but I would be extremely cautious giving access to my computer to a stranger - in fact, I wouldn't do it no matter what, but that's up to you I guess.

        On the other hand, I haven't played with user accounts that much - there is probably a way to severely restrict their access and disallow them to install programs and delete files, but I am not sure that you can prevent them from browsing your hard drive and opening your text files and documents???
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  • Profile picture of the author iSoftware
    The first problem is that you don't seem to have an automation strategic plan. There's a big difference between "task" automation and "business" automation.

    A good analogy would be someone looking to automate first their arms, then their legs, then their eyes....etc....then you go out and get a piece of software for each one.

    Instead, to get maximum roi from your automation efforts, you need to really have a clear understanding of your business processes. In other words, think of how to automate your entire "body" as an interconnected system vs. discrete parts.

    You may consider looking into full business processing tools such as winautomation or network automation's software. With this,you spend the cost of training someone once who can go out and create custom scripts for you that does virtually everything you need done in your business.

    I whipped these up to help some people a while ago, you can check out these process maps in scribd...

    (over 500+ views btw so I guess some people have found it useful)

    Web Automation Processes Mapping
    Web Data Extraction Automation
    Data Asset Management Presentation
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  • Profile picture of the author coco28
    Originally Posted by jtwillia1 View Post

    Guys, I have about 10 different pieces of automation software (SENuke, a few bots from Big Mike [Incansoft], SEO Elite, TheBestSpinner, etc.). I don't have enough time to use them as much as I should. How can I outsource their use to an oDesk or eLance contractor without buying a multi-user license or something? Thanks in advance.

    - John
    Why would you want to outsource the use of your automation tools? If you are going to pay for outsourcing then outsource the result, not the means of achieving the result. EG for SE Nuke, outsource the creation of x number of web 2.0 properties. You dont need to care how these properties are created, just that they are created. You are over complicating to be thinking about licenses/remote logins etc..
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  • Profile picture of the author iSoftware
    He's VERY smart to want to outsource AND automate. It's all about multiplying one's productivity by the product of x^infinite amounts...

    a) You outsource to remove your own manual labor as a factor of production in your business

    b) You automate so that those doing manual labor have their own productivity enhanced...

    The main *business goal* of both automation and outsourcing is to be able to spend the bulk of one's time involved in the highest income producing activities (or leisure)

    (outsourcing)+(automation)=ROI^x !
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  • Profile picture of the author iSoftware
    By the way, here is one tip that none of the "gurus" talk about when it comes to outsourcing.

    The thing is, if you're paying manual labor, when they use automation tools, they are basically going to spend far less time working.

    This is great for you as a buyer, but as someone who sells, their labor, there's no real payout for them...
    They are doing 10x the work for the same salary.

    What you have to do for your most productive workers is give them A REWARD OR INCENTIVE TO LEARN HOW TO WORK FASTER & HARDER...

    As an example, with my staff, I make it so they can get an increase in their salary pursuant to how much/how well they learn new software, systems, etc. which increases productivity....

    YOU ARE HAPPY because you are getting far more work done...
    THEY ARE HAPPY because they are getting paid for the better results they are producing....

    In other words, no one's really going to all of a sudden do 10x the work - work that would take them 10 hours that they get paid for, now takes 1 hour - unless something's init for them

    I really recommend anyone who wants to keep quality staff design a compensation structure that rewards people for producing more - this could be bonuses, random rewards for meeting short term goals, etc...

    Which reminds me my assistant deserves a raise soon, she is ridiculously smart, helpful,trustworthy, loyal and a true godsend!
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    • Profile picture of the author hometutor
      Originally Posted by moneykws View Post


      What you have to do for your most productive workers is give them A REWARD OR INCENTIVE TO LEARN HOW TO WORK FASTER & HARDER...

      As an example, with my staff, I make it so they can get an increase in their salary pursuant to how much/how well they learn new software, systems, etc. which increases productivity....
      Wouldn't paying them some type of piece work do that?

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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Murphy
    You could take moneykws' more results=more money a step further....

    Provide your outsourcers with a process map of how you like something done manually and then mention the software and where it can be bought.

    If you're paying for performance, it's up to THEM how they achieve the benchmarks you set for them.

    You can even structure your payscales progressively. Creat 500 backlinks, get $x, create 2000 backlinks, get $xx and so on.

    Don't be afraid to outsource the use of tools...you're on the right track. As for letting them use your license....not cool. It's a business expense and you're doing business. Contact the product owner and tell them exactly why you need another license.

    They may give you a discount or even hook you up for free.

    I contacted Noble Samurai and got setup quite nicely.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Williamson
    Moneykws and Mike, you guys really hit the nails on the head for me. Thanks so much for your valuable insight and input. I'm definitely going to use your advice and see how things go.

    Moneykws, I am definitely aiming for 'business' automation ultimately (end goal) but right now I think I'm mainly doing 'task' automation, though I've never really thought about it in those terms. I've been using contractors through oDesk. I have one whose expertise is profile backlink building, one who does blog commenting links, and one who writes and uploads my articles.

    Guess I should have said my business setup is for mini niche sites, of which I have about 20 right now. I have been doing all the keyword research and domain buying (which I seem to enjoy a little I think, oddly enough) and then I get my article writer to write and upload articles; he reports back to me; then I tell my 2 backlink builders to go build some backlinks for the site. I usually do multiple sites at a time so I'll send them a simple spreadsheet of how many articles and backlinks to do for each site.

    Any things that immediately pop out at you that I could change or improve? Am I on the right track? Should I have the contractors talk to each other in a team room to relay info (keywords, sites, etc.) instead of reporting to me after every task?

    My end goal, like you mentioned, is basically to remove myself almost completely out of the picture for leisure and freedom to where the whole process runs smoothly from start to finish with little to no input by me whatsoever (obviously input up front is necessary). Any additional feedback or thoughts you guys have would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks so much for your input already.

    - John
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    • Profile picture of the author mrmanpower
      as everyone has been saying above. getting the business system setup where in you can walk away. Since you're already there and you have this mindset into play.

      i'd like to give a bit of system advice. You should have this in mind. EVERYTIME you start getting into a business.

      Now, do i mean that you should just do it and fix all the systems with every business idea. NO

      Test the idea. if it works, build a system around it. a system that can be scaled. systems where you can put pieces together. ie automation tools etc.

      just so you know.
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    • Profile picture of the author iSoftware
      Originally Posted by jtwillia1 View Post

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      Any things that immediately pop out at you that I could change or improve? Am I on the right track? Should I have the contractors talk to each other in a team room to relay info (keywords, sites, etc.) instead of reporting to me after every task?

      My end goal, like you mentioned, is basically to remove myself almost completely out of the picture for leisure and freedom to where the whole process runs smoothly from start to finish with little to no input by me whatsoever (obviously input up front is necessary). Any additional feedback or thoughts you guys have would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks so much for your input already.

      - John
      The real roi from Automation comes from first creating the right automation strategy/process THEN going out and getting the right software.

      To qualify what I'm saying "in my other life" I did high level Fortune 500 consulting on these issues so I have some insight into how the best companies on the planet do these things....

      The beautiful thing is that every solo-entrepreneurs can mimick these best practices.

      The thing would be to check out some of the links I mentioned above and also you can read up on some of the free presentations by Network Automation and Winautomation -these tools are the gold standard business automation.

      Notice I am saying "business automation" and not "task automation". Know, understand and implement the former and you will outman and perform your competition

      If it sounds like I am passionate about this, it's 'cause I am

      Some other resources:
      eBook: Buisness Process Automation - Network Automation (free white paper)

      This video explains it alot - the difference


      BTW, BPA server seven is probably for Fortune 5000 companies because it costs about $9,000. The trick here is that you can use lower cost products like winautomation or automate anywhere to get a good 75% of the functionality.

      All of these resources have their pluses and minuses though.

      Hope this helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Williamson
    Excellent, thanks. I'm going to look into all the resources you mentioned over the next few days. And yes you do seem passionate about it, and that's awesome. Similarly, I'm passionate about my business setup/plan as a whole so naturally I'm excited about outsourcing as much as possible.
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  • Thanks everyone for this information. I'm sure some of the backlink builders on oDesk will have software such as SeNuke though?
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
    IMHO, the simplest option is to find people who already own the
    software, and use it to provide services to others. I think there
    is a WSO that might help, but don't know the URL.

    HTH

    Glenn
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  • Profile picture of the author billspaced
    Originally Posted by John Williamson View Post

    Guys, I have about 10 different pieces of automation software (SENuke, a few bots from Big Mike [Incansoft], SEO Elite, TheBestSpinner, etc.). I don't have enough time to use them as much as I should. How can I outsource their use to an oDesk or eLance contractor without buying a multi-user license or something? Thanks in advance.

    - John
    Kind of a misnomer - automation - if you have to pay somebody to do it!

    Rather, pay for the result - 200 profile links, 200 articles submitted, 200 blog posts created, etc.

    Doesn't really matter how they do it. I assume you're doing this for the backlinks anyway.

    If for actual content creation, assuming you have a WP blog, just set them up as a contributor and once they've proven their abilities, raise their role.

    Or, as suggested here, hire somebody who already has the tool and cancel your subscription to it.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Williamson
      Originally Posted by billspaced View Post

      Kind of a misnomer - automation - if you have to pay somebody to do it!

      Rather, pay for the result - 200 profile links, 200 articles submitted, 200 blog posts created, etc.

      Doesn't really matter how they do it. I assume you're doing this for the backlinks anyway.

      If for actual content creation, assuming you have a WP blog, just set them up as a contributor and once they've proven their abilities, raise their role.

      Or, as suggested here, hire somebody who already has the tool and cancel your subscription to it.
      Of course it matters how they do it. I have 3 full time employees that cost me roughly $2000/mo. so the more efficient and effective they are, the more time and money I save. Basic laws of business and economics. If one of my employees can use automation software to complete a task in 1 hour that would otherwise take him 4 hours, he can get 4 times as much done and is thus 4 times as efficient.
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      • Profile picture of the author billspaced
        Originally Posted by John Williamson View Post

        Of course it matters how they do it. I have 3 full time employees that cost me roughly $2000/mo. so the more efficient and effective they are, the more time and money I save. Basic laws of business and economics. If one of my employees can use automation software to complete a task in 1 hour that would otherwise take him 4 hours, he can get 4 times as much done and is thus 4 times as efficient.
        You may have missed my point, John. I started off by saying "pay for results." So if you pay somebody $2000 a month, they have an incentive to do as little as possible and you have an incentive to have them do as much as possible. I know, I oversimplified. Of course, people want to do what they're paid for and even the bad employees want to keep their jobs, so they have an incentive, really, to do as little as possible with your acceptance.

        If you pay for specific results, then you both have incentive to meet the agreement.

        That, too, is basic human nature. And business.
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  • Profile picture of the author remoteuser
    Originally Posted by John Williamson View Post

    Guys, I have about 10 different pieces of automation software (SENuke, a few bots from Big Mike [Incansoft], SEO Elite, TheBestSpinner, etc.). I don't have enough time to use them as much as I should. How can I outsource their use to an oDesk or eLance contractor without buying a multi-user license or something? Thanks in advance.

    - John

    Hi John,

    Please let me know if you are still looking to get your tasks outsourced. I am unable to PM due to low post count.

    thanks,
    Roh
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  • Profile picture of the author onlineleben
    John,
    as you are a member of the warroom, go over there and read this post: "16,8-million-dollar-autopilot-solution-greece"
    Very helpful for everyone who wants to automate and become more productive.
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