Is the Internet Making People Dumber?

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I am amazed by the comments that are made on the internet these days and it has got me wondering... Have people always been this dumb or is it more of a herd mentality that they are being impacted by other stupid comments and forming their world view off of them.

Example:

This morning I clicked on an article on the home page of Yahoo about how the richest 10% are spending half of the money in America right now... The first thing was that the sensational title was not accurate for what the article said - it was actually only 37% that they were spending and it was only for some short time period...

But, the comments below the article... Wow. It was all about how "the man" was out to get the little guy and about how these big guys were the problem, etc... And any time someone would try to make a comment about responsibility for your own circumstance and self reliance they would get flamed...

So, I started wondering... How many people actually read the full article - which was not the same as the headline... And how many of them actually know that making over $150k a year probably puts you in the top 10% - its not just the buffets and gates... And lastly, how many of these people are just caught up in simplistic herd mentality that often consumates itself in the comments of articles like that one.

So, is the internet making all this worse and people dumber for it?

And if thats the case, whats the ultimate end result of all of this? It scares me to think about it really...
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    Television shortened our attention spans. The internet killed them. We now expect everything to be delivered in 140 characters
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    I don't know about dumber, but definitely lazier. Imagine telling a teenager they have to go to a library to research a paper instead of looking up references online.

    I'm 38, and I think my generation was the last to think of computers as optional. And of course, that was only until my early 20's when I got one. Now, being a full-time marketer aside, there's no way I could live without one.
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  • Profile picture of the author gussyboy
    When i was a kid i dont remember having video games or anything computer or digital. We used to use our imagination and invent games, build thing, and even take things apart to see how they work. A large portion of the kids now are glued to the internet and dont use their brains the same way children did decades ago.

    Not to mention that sitting in front of a screen for hours keeps you away from interacting with others, hence your personal skills go out the window also.

    I believe that the internet can make you smarter if you use it correctly, unfortunately most of us dont.
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    Lots of points to make about your question. The irony is with the
    unprecedented access to so much information, attention spans
    are measured in milliseconds and less is absorbed. So maybe it's
    a question of being less informed because less is taken in.

    But, the exception is in the situation of those subjects people have
    a real passion for. When people are immersed in their interests, I
    think they are much more knowledgeable because of the internet.

    Check this out, I saw a blurb the other day that mentioned Bill Gates
    and maybe a suggestion of his that universities should/will be replaced
    by online universities - something like that. Wasn't too interested, so
    I skimmed it terribly fast with an attention span measured in nanoseconds.


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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Ken,

      Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

      Lots of points to make about your question. The irony is with the
      unprecedented access to so much information, attention spans
      are measured in milliseconds and less is absorbed. So maybe it's
      a question of being less informed because less is taken in.

      But, the exception is in the situation of those subjects people have
      a real passion for. When people are immersed in their interests, I
      think they are much more knowledgeable because of the internet.
      That's an interesting point you make about passion. There does seem to be some evidence that the way in which we absorb information via the internet hinders learning. Having a passion for a subject would tend to increase our concentration and facilitate "deep learning".

      I'm reading a fascinating book at the moment in which the author suggests that the internet is indeed making us dumber. Experiments in cognitive research show that there's a difference in the way the brain processes and retains information when skimming the net from the way it does when one reads a physical book. It's claimed that the distraction and interruption inherent in the digital world hinders true comprehension - the sort of retention that only "deep reading" delivers.

      The book is by Nicholas Carr, called "The Shallows - What The Internet Is Doing To Our Brains". I recommend it - but probably best not to read it online

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  • Profile picture of the author spurtle
    I think it is perhaps ignorant rather than dumb. Just read a tweet or blog post that appears credible and assume you know all about the matter.
    TV conveys important topics with the 30 sec sound bite and now other media do likewise. That's as far as most people inquire.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Hi Kevin,

    I don't think people are getting dumber at all. For that to happen would actually require evolutionary changes, and Mr. Gore invented the Internets too recently for that to happen.

    So, what is going on? It's not that there are more dumb people, it's that more dumb people now have a venue in which they can more easily demonstrate their lack of mental prowess. That's my guess.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
      I'll have to agree with Michael, it is not dumber people, or more of them, they are now just very visible.

      Where they would never have dreamed of writing to a newspaper's editorial section, they can sit down and rip off a blog post, tweet, facebook update, or other piece of content in seconds without ever giving it a thought.

      In general I would say the internet makes people more educated and informed, if they know how to do simple research.

      How often does your wife or a friend ask a question you do not know an answer to, but within 1 minute you do?

      My wife turns and asks me off the wall questions all the time, and I just say "Wait a second", hit Google, find a relevant source, and give her the answer. It may not make me an expert on the topic, but now I am at least slightly informed which would have never happened in the past.
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    • Profile picture of the author DogScout
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Hi Kevin,

      I don't think people are getting dumber at all. For that to happen would actually require evolutionary changes, and Mr. Gore invented the Internets too recently for that to happen.

      So, what is going on? It's not that there are more dumb people, it's that more dumb people now have a venue in which they can more easily demonstrate their lack of mental prowess. That's my guess.

      All the best,
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      It may not be the internet that has made them dumber, more unhealthy and less caring... (My vote is TV), but between the influx in the use of chemicals, the environmental increase in bad stuff and TV, I think certainly has made a difference.
      The question is, will it get better or worse. The internet has the ability to help make more people be aware of the insanity of their decisions. (If they will listen or care.)

      A friend of mine emailed Obama and asked what was wrong with the country. Obama's reply was 'ignorance and apathy.' Another friend asked what that meant. My 1st friend said he didn't know and really didn't care.
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    • Profile picture of the author VanessaB
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Hi Kevin,

      I don't think people are getting dumber at all. For that to happen would actually require evolutionary changes, and Mr. Gore invented the Internets too recently for that to happen.

      So, what is going on? It's not that there are more dumb people, it's that more dumb people now have a venue in which they can more easily demonstrate their lack of mental prowess. That's my guess.

      All the best,
      Michael
      Thanks a lot! I was drinking a pepsi when I read that.

      That is one factor. Not a possibility, definitely a factor. (Look at Jerry Springer.)

      It's also a factor that the 'not so intelligent' will immerse themselves in some one thing that is of interest to them, and therefore can learn/do it, but yet, cannot apply it to anything else.

      Case in point: Mother in mid 40's, claims she can't 'work' because she can't 'sit' or 'stand' for 8 hours every day, and goes for disability.

      Refuses to do any kind of online work from home job under that excuse and several others, yet, sits at the computer all day to play Facebook games, and plans to take a Disney vacation and cruise to the tune of 7K 'when the disability comes in.'

      Bet your a** that if she found a Disney 'contest' that required her to post 10 articles a day about Disney to various directories, in order to receive a fully paid Disney vacation, she would suddenly be able to do it.

      Stupid? Lazy? Both.

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  • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
    Not sure about dumber, but it makes attention spans shorter, without a doubt. When you try to talk with people now, they want quick blurbs, it seems. Alas, storytelling days are over....
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    I think part of the problem is that we have become a skimming society - we skim so much that it makes us lazy thinkers... I do agree that part of it is probably that everybody is just more visible than before - it just seems that there is a great divide happening and its unfortunate because everybody has the ability to be awesome and make a great life. I mean hell, I saw a kid doing the ironman triathlon yesterday with no freaking legs...
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    • Profile picture of the author Plish
      $150k a year puts you in the top 10%? I'd think more like the top 1%... But yes, those sensationalised articles have existed for centuries.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by Plish View Post

        $150k a year puts you in the top 10%? I'd think more like the top 1%... But yes, those sensationalised articles have existed for centuries.
        According to one set of uncredited (I know, I know, but they looked legit) stats I saw, the top 10% earn $118,000 or more, the top 5% earn $166,000 or more. This was in the US. I'm sure the numbers would be different in other countries.

        Now...off to see if I can find some solid stats.



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  • Profile picture of the author techinik
    Internet has given platform to lot of dumb A**es who will not come out in offline world.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    But then, I ain't no Eienstein to begin with.

    What we need is a President that reflects this dumbing down, oh sure, we had "W", but still he was a Yale grad.

    So, I say, "To Hell With Yale and Harvard Too"...

    It's time for a President with a GED education, perhaps a high school dropout, teen mother, who went to "Beauty School" and then opened up a nail salon.

    Today, she has a small chain of nail salons, is a successful business woman and SHE should be put in the White House.

    Don't worry about the Dumbing Down of America from TV and Internet activity...what we need to do is to elect politicians who are too dumb to scam us.

    Give me a President like Justin (Bieber or Timberlak) who can ENTERTAIN us.

    See, if we have really dumb politicians, then other countries will enter into really dumb trade agreements with us. We all WIN by having all of us lose, eh?

    Sound dumb? Well, as stated, I ain't no Einstein, but I am an INTERNET MARKETER, how smart ya gotta be for that?

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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    The right word here is not dumber or lazier.

    The right word is:

    SMARTER.

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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi,

      I've just finished a 2 hour conversation with my son about this subject (he's 14).

      I think it's a little bit of all the things that have been suggested. But I do think it's incorrect to blame the internet (as in the question posed in the title) - more accurately, I would suggest that it is certain aspects of the internet and the way that it is being used. In line with what Talfighel said above, personally, the internet has made me much smarter.

      What I do think is particularly prevalent is the surreptitious delivery of propaganda and influence that IS dumbing people down - just like death by 1000 cuts, it's stupidity by 1000 underhand methods.

      The conversation started between us over many things and covered many areas. But some of the key aspects were -

      I'm anti-technology in many ways - I do have a mobile phone, but use it as little as possible, mainly for important texts to arrange things with others who aren't generally online. I have made a habit of NOT taking the thing out with me at all and will dump it completely as soon as it's practical.

      Whereas my son has an ipod, a small itouch type thing and a mobile phone and gets seperation anxiety when he goes out without them.

      Much of the discussion revolved around disproving his theory that he is wiser and more capable by having access to information on hand. I feel that this is part of the dumbing-down process - it's the same as the 'calculator' argument - you don't teach a child arithmetic with a calculator. You teach them to use their brain to do it, and when they can do it all in their head or with a pen and paper you THEN introduce the calculator.

      One of the biggest problems is that people avoid using Google to find information because they get demotivated by having to wade through junk and therefore fail to develop the ability to filter that junk and make decisions about what is good and what is bad info. The good info IS there, but it requires time and patience and knowledge to be able to filter the overwhelming amount of junk and misinformation.

      Instead they prefer to have their information delivered on a silver platter via itouch applications and the like, but due to their lack of ability when it comes to discerning good info from bad info, they are absorbing and repeating bad info as if it is good - hence, they are dumbed-down without even realising it.

      I pointed out to him my recent boycott of television (which he understands and agrees with) but explained to him that his decision to carry these junk gadgets around is equivalent to putting the TV in his pocket.

      Yes, he could easily just use the gadgets to search Google, but he doesn't - he mainly uses them to talk nonsense on facebook. Why would that be?

      We covered many subjects, including the studies that have been done (and my own findings through self-employment) regarding mutli-tasking, interruptions and their effect on concentration and focus etc etc.

      This subject will only get more important, because as I mentioned, over here (in the UK) the propaganda machines and dumbing-down have recently gone into absolute overdrive. Also, in line with what others have said above, more people with less (ahem) 'cognitive dexterity' and general awareness ARE getting access to venues where they can voice their opinion and the downside of this is that those who would normally put them straight are getting fed up with fighting the tidal wave of ignorance and prefer to let others stew in their own stupidity, than give themselves overwhelming stress from trying to educate them.

      We can see this happening all around us ;-)
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      • Profile picture of the author Sean A McAlister
        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

        Hi,


        Much of the discussion revolved around disproving his theory that he is wiser and more capable by having access to information on hand. I feel that this is part of the dumbing-down process - it's the same as the 'calculator' argument - you don't teach a child arithmetic with a calculator. You teach them to use their brain to do it, and when they can do it all in their head or with a pen and paper you THEN introduce the calculator.

        One of the biggest problems is that people avoid using Google to find information because they get demotivated by having to wade through junk and therefore develop the ability to filter that junk and make decisions about what is good and what is bad info. The good info IS there, but it requires time and patience and knowledge to be able to filter the overwhelming amount fo junk and misinformation.
        and how true that is!

        Our society is changing rapidly and it won't be long before the next generation loses effective oral communication skills. I can't tell
        you how many times I have been in rooms with people who are
        texting each other ...as they stand 5 feet apart.

        Not too mention...you nailed it with the "misinformation". Anyone who
        relies soley on what they find on google should be sent on an island to run in circles for the rest of their life....

        Heck...national text book publishers are re-writing history and schools are allowing it....so I'm not sure what's making who dumber....but times are definitely changing!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post


        What I do think is particularly prevalent is the surreptitious delivery of propaganda and influence that IS dumbing people down - just like death by 1000 cuts, it's stupidity by 1000 underhand methods.


        Instead they prefer to have their information delivered on a silver platter via itouch applications and the like, but due to their lack of ability when it comes to discerning good info from bad info, they are absorbing and repeating bad info as if it is good - hence, they are dumbed-down without even realising it.


        This subject will only get more important, because as I mentioned, over here (in the UK) the propaganda machines and dumbing-down have recently gone into absolute overdrive. Also, in line with what others have said above, more people with less (ahem) 'cognitive dexterity' and general awareness ARE getting access to venues where they can voice their opinion and the downside of this is that those who would normally put them straight are getting fed up with fighting the tidal wave of ignorance and prefer to let others stew in their own stupidity, than give themselves overwhelming stress from trying to educate them.

        We can see this happening all around us ;-)
        Hit the nail on the head... People are dumbed down without even realizing it because people are thinking less and less... And the people who are thinking are getting tired of "fighting the tidal wave"... But, the question then becomes, what is the outcome of all of this?
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  • Profile picture of the author HorseStall
    I don't know that its made people "dumber" but has certainly made them lazier ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Socialiife
    It sounds like the article you were reading was a pity part for the broke.

    Here is where we are: 2010 is the wild west on the internet. No cops, no stops, just an endless land rush. In 10, 20, 50 years, the net will be heavily controlled. Better take advantage of it now, while we have a shot at crazy success with few limitations.

    In other words, NOW is the best chance for all of us to make a mark using this medium (the net) , where the playing field is fairly flat! Be creative!

    If you think about it, most people stick with the herd. It's safer to fail then self justify the results, and bitch that the rich are evil. What a bunch of bull****.
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  • Profile picture of the author petelta
    Your spot on Kevin. I think it's the majority of people in the world are just being the herd.

    I was just teaching a student effective article marketing strategies and I taught something similar to what you are pointing out. Today, people like to skim. They want the bulk of the story in quick bursts. Some will dig deeper and read more about what there is, but the majority will shoot straight for the main points.

    Most people don't seem to have the motivation or the desire to have a say. They don't want the responsibility. They believe they aren't cut out to be leaders when in fact everyone has the ability.

    I think this mind thought plays an active part in even small decisions in their life. They are influenced easier by "authority". Just by simple headlines, the "authority" can get their whole point across just by causing the audience to associate with their emotions. In your example, the people upset with "the man" taking advantage of the little guy. He probably only read the headline



    Originally Posted by Kevin_Hutto View Post

    I am amazed by the comments that are made on the internet these days and it has got me wondering... Have people always been this dumb or is it more of a herd mentality that they are being impacted by other stupid comments and forming their world view off of them.

    Example:

    This morning I clicked on an article on the home page of Yahoo about how the richest 10% are spending half of the money in America right now... The first thing was that the sensational title was not accurate for what the article said - it was actually only 37% that they were spending and it was only for some short time period...

    But, the comments below the article... Wow. It was all about how "the man" was out to get the little guy and about how these big guys were the problem, etc... And any time someone would try to make a comment about responsibility for your own circumstance and self reliance they would get flamed...

    So, I started wondering... How many people actually read the full article - which was not the same as the headline... And how many of them actually know that making over $150k a year probably puts you in the top 10% - its not just the buffets and gates... And lastly, how many of these people are just caught up in simplistic herd mentality that often consumates itself in the comments of articles like that one.

    So, is the internet making all this worse and people dumber for it?

    And if thats the case, whats the ultimate end result of all of this? It scares me to think about it really...
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  • Profile picture of the author Fabian Tan
    It's called speed reading

    But seriously, people have lots of stuff going on these days, so often they may just comment "off the cuff" without deliberating.

    The Internet hasn't made us dumber or smarter (that's up to the individual), it has just enabled us to do smarter (or dumb) things.

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  • Profile picture of the author CliveG
    The internet has certainly given dumb people a platform to demonstrate just how dumb they are. Even on this forum that can be seen to be true from time to time.

    Works the other way too, but does not seem to stand out quite so much.

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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    I find that my ability to absorb and store information is heightened when reading through a "real book" and that ability is definitley curtailed when I read something off the computer screen.

    I find the internet to be a well of information. But is all of that information FACT?.. Certainly Not! Many people do not scrutinize what they read, and take the information as factual. In that sense people will become dumber because they are now storing opiniated information as factual in their memory banks.
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    • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
      Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

      I find that my ability to absorb and store information is heightened when reading through a "real book" and that ability is definitley curtailed when I read something off the computer screen.

      I find the internet to be a well of information. But is all of that information FACT?.. Certainly Not! Many people do not scrutinize what they read, and take the information as factual. In that sense people will become dumber because they are now storing opiniated information as factual in their memory banks.
      I think you hit the nail on the head. Too much "information" found on the internet is not only brief, but can be completely misleading and inaccurate. Detailed, deep research is, I think, done only through obtaining the depth of knowledge found in well-researched books.
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  • Profile picture of the author deloriagod
    I don't think the internet has necessarily made people dumber, but it's given them the opportunity to become almost entirely anonymous and say whatever they'd like. Even the smallest, weakest members of society can pretend to be the biggest, baddest dudes around when nobody can prove otherwise.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    People aren't dumber at all. They're fragmented and as Gosse said, their attention span is 140 characters.

    I read a while back that in 1927, the average person's entire, collective knowledge about everything would fill the average daily issue of the Wall Street Journal.

    So we've raised the average by a considerable amount. At the same time, people are less able to actually channel that knowledge into something useful.
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  • Profile picture of the author seolbs
    Yep it's all because of the TV, but you have smart and less smart people everywhere!
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