Please tell me you're not lying

by The Copy Nazi Banned
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I was talking to fellow scribbler Rick Duris the other day and he said something that really struck a chord with me. Regarding salespage copy. He said -

"The truth is almost becoming a secret weapon"

And he's right. How refreshing is it to read a salespage that is void of hype and straight-out misrepresentation and BS? It resonates. Don't you think?

Its kinda like the tells when someone is lying - the body language - not looking you in the eyes, stroking the nose etc. Well there are tells in advertising copy too. Personally I run a mile when I read things like

"Renegade Marketer reveals The Amazing Secret to

Building An Online Business while


swanning around swimming pools and nightclubs"


and its on a domain called http://YouTooCanBeAnInternetMillionaire.com, say. And of course anything claiming to make you millions or turn you into an internet millionaire raises red flags.

So yeah - the truth resonates. Its powerful. And it works so much better than outright lying or BSing people. Don't you think?

Try it. It could be your secret weapon. Personally I used to use a similar weapon when picking up girls years ago. I'd say something like "You wouldn't be interested in me...I have a crap car, I don't play football, I hate my job, I'm broke and I'm a lousy lay". Worked every time.

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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
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    • Profile picture of the author funkynassau
      I too run the other way when I see or hear something that promises to make me a millionaire overnight. I dont believe it.

      I think my husband and I are very truthful in our little businesses, he'd never lie or exaggerate how our product works and I know I've never lied to anyone about it. We've been thanked many times for telling it straight, and giving the customer what we said we would.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    A lot of website use hype these days and that can increase sales a whole lot for them.

    It seems that there are more and more like that popping up each day.

    But you know what......

    A little hype does not hurt at all.

    Tal
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by Metronicity View Post

    "You wouldn't be interested in me...I have a crap car, I don't play football, I hate my job, I'm broke and I'm a lousy lay". Worked every time.
    Sounds like my kind of guy.

    But yeah ... salespages that don't make false or outrageous income claims or other unbelievable claims are the ones that get my money. I don't buy hype ... I want a good solid product.
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  • Profile picture of the author David McKee
    Here is what Mr. LL Bean posted back in 1916 in his store:

    "I do not consider a sale complete until goods are worn out and customer still satisfied."

    And he lived by that credo.

    That is all you have to do to have a business that is still in business nearly 100 years later.

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  • Profile picture of the author ankur sharma
    well, i think it depend upon person reading your webpage. If i am type of person, who constantly engage in day dreaming. Dont do any work and i seriously pray for magic bullet. Then, by all means include as much hype as you can in your salescopy.

    Same way, if your product is like "Eat chicken ass and get rich in 20 days". Then you got to be hype.

    However, if you are providing some really good service. Like good script, software or brilliant information. Then, we can assume person reading salespage would be somewhat intelligent. Then, please stick to truth.

    It all depend upon your product and target audience. Some people seriously crave for someone telling me that magic bullet do exist on this planet.
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  • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
    Originally Posted by Metronicity View Post

    So yeah - the truth resonates. Its powerful. And it works so much better than outright lying or BSing people. Don't you think?

    Today, Mr. Vu is retired from pitching real estate get rich quick schemes and is active as a professional poker player. Who says BS-ing people doesn't pay?
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

      YouTube - ‪Tom Vu Commercial‬‎

      Today, Mr. Vu is retired from pitching real estate get rich quick schemes and is active as a professional poker player. Who says BS-ing people doesn't pay?
      I love it! There's an idea for a comedy show if ever I saw one. Thank you Mister Vu - "There are two kinds of people in this world ...which one are you?"


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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    It is the difference between writing copy for an impulse purchase or a considered purchase.

    With an impulse purchase being as hypey as possible and making outrageous guarantees works, it's why people do it. I find with considered purchases, stripping the hype and concentrating on value is the key to crack the high ticket sales. But then again, it all depends on who you are marketing to and their current perceptions.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Its basically not saying "I mad $400,000 in a week using this method without any skills blah blah". Only the absolutely idiotic believe that rubbish in this more "web savvy" age.
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    • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
      Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

      Its basically not saying "I mad $400,000 in a week using this method without any skills blah blah". Only the absolutely idiotic believe that rubbish in this more "web savvy" age.
      Good money I heard marketing to the absolutely iditoic
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    • Profile picture of the author ankur sharma
      Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

      Its basically not saying "I mad $400,000 in a week using this method without any skills blah blah". Only the absolutely idiotic believe that rubbish in this more "web savvy" age.

      There are lot of idiots in this world.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
    It doesn't matter what WE think.

    It's what our TARGET MARKET thinks that matters.

    Of course you should tell the truth. You should never LIE in copy.

    But sometimes you need to be careful about the kind of truth you tell your audience.
    What do you think of my truthful sales letter below?

    All The Secrets You'll Ever Need On Losing Weight... Get Off Your Ass, Exercise More, And Eat Only Healthy Foods...

    That's $47 please.

    Click here to buy now.

    P.S: Will this system work? Probably. But chances are, you'll be too lazy to do it... and be looking for yet another ebook 30 or 60 days from now.


    Now I'm off to split test this......

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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Paul Hancox View Post

      It doesn't matter what WE think.

      It's what our TARGET MARKET thinks that matters.

      Of course you should tell the truth. You should never LIE in copy.

      But sometimes you need to be careful about the kind of truth you tell your audience.
      What do you think of my truthful sales letter below?



      Now I'm off to split test this......

      So what are you going to do instead? Sell them a bunch of pills that don't work or tell them you have a secret method where they can eat all they want that doesn't work?

      No thanks. Too many ethical ways to make money without doing that kind of crap.
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      • Profile picture of the author createyouwealth
        I think a lot of marketers underestimate how powerful telling the truth really is. If you know how to tell the truth while also hitting some strong emotional triggers, you will be very successful in this business.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        So what are you going to do instead? Sell them a bunch of pills that don't work or tell them you have a secret method where they can eat all they want that doesn't work?
        No, because that would be... LYING.

        A SCAM. That would be wrong.

        What determines a lie is whether the product can deliver or not.

        If a pill DOES work, it's not a lie, is it?

        If a product CAN make you a millionaire, it's not a lie, is it?

        The headline Metronicity posted isn't a LIE, unless it cannot deliver on its promise.

        Sure, I understand that most people who buy it probably aren't going to become millionaires, but that's not necessarily because of the product but because of people NOT implementing the system.

        That's because of human nature.

        Only if the system cannot deliver, even if people follow its instructions, is it a LIE (or if the author isn't really a millionaire).

        By the way, I have absolutely no connection with the site, and I also happen to prefer low-hype material myself... but I understand WHY it works.

        And it DOES work, more often than not.

        Unfortunately.

        It's because human beings constantly want the "magic bullet", the "quick fix".

        But you don't have to LIE to appeal to this side of our nature, anyway.

        Of course you can still tell the truth.

        My point is, I didn't see a LIE in the OP's headline.

        Why can't the reader become a millionaire?

        This entire forum is based on the idea of "making money online"... something that a lot of people would also scoff at, and have "red flags" go up.

        Yet here we are, all doing it.
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        • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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          Originally Posted by Paul Hancox View Post


          The headline Metronicity posted isn't a LIE, unless it cannot deliver on its promise.

          Sure, I understand that most people who buy it probably aren't going to become millionaires, but that's not necessarily because of the product but because of people NOT implementing the system.

          That's because of human nature.

          Only if the system cannot deliver, even if people follow its instructions, is it a LIE (or if the author isn't really a millionaire).

          By the way, I have absolutely no connection with the site, and I also happen to prefer low-hype material myself... but I understand WHY it works.
          Uh...I pulled the headline out of my ---. There's no such product. No such site. There's similar rubbish.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    It's not a secret weapon - some of us always tell the truth - it shouldn't be some weird and unusual concept in your business.
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    • Profile picture of the author jlucado
      Long, slick, sales pages are entertaining and disgusting at the same time. In the name of copy writing, they continue.

      One can learn a lot from them. It's too bad gullible people believe everything in them.

      Have you seen this parody?

      It makes me laugh and every time I see a long, slick sales page, I make the comparison.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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        Originally Posted by jlucado View Post

        Long, slick, sales pages are entertaining and disgusting at the same time. In the name of copy writing, they continue.

        One can learn a lot from them. It's too bad gullible people believe everything in them.

        Have you seen this parody?

        It makes me laugh and every time I see a long, slick sales page, I make the comparison.
        Mate...he left the buy button off. I want it. Do you know where I can pick this product up?
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      It's not a secret weapon - some of us always tell the truth - it shouldn't be some weird and unusual concept in your business.
      That reminds me of my favorite quote of all time...
      Truth is the sword of us all - Stiv Bator
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    I know this is a "which comes first: the chicken or the egg?" kinda statement, but there's a simple solution to feeling any kind of need to stretch the truth in your sales copy...

    Social proof.

    Sure, when you're just starting out there's great temptation to fudge a little and hype it up. Nobody knows you yet. But there's a risk there if you go over to the dark side. You may increase the odds of more immediate sales with your unknown name, but the cost might just be your long-term business viability. Fool people into buying from you once and it becomes a "one step forward, two steps back" kind of thing. You sacrifice the branding of your name for a few more shekels up front. No thanks.

    Flip that around on its head. Be willing to knowingly give up a few extra sales in the early days by being honest in your sales material. Then overdeliver like crazy. The social proof (testimonials, word-of-mouth recommendations, etc.) will flow like an unstoppable river. Goodbye quick profits. Hello long-term viability. Especially in the IM/MMO niche!

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      I know this is a "which comes first: the chicken or the egg?" kinda statement, but there's a simple solution to feeling any kind of need to stretch the truth in your sales copy...

      Social proof.

      Sure, when you're just starting out there's great temptation to fudge a little and hype it up. Nobody knows you yet. But there's a risk there if you go over to the dark side. You may increase the odds of more immediate sales with your unknown name, but the cost might just be your long-term business viability. Fool people into buying from you once and it becomes a "one step forward, two steps back" kind of thing. You sacrifice the branding of your name for a few more shekels up front. No thanks.

      Flip that around on its head. Be willing to knowingly give up a few extra sales in the early days by being honest in your sales material. Then overdeliver like crazy. The social proof (testimonials, word-of-mouth recommendations, etc.) will flow like an unstoppable river. Goodbye quick profits. Hello long-term viability. Especially in the IM/MMO niche!

      John
      Telling the truth is viable when you have real proof.

      I suppose that works in some ways even if you don't but, when you have real proof it really works.

      I think that is what the Jeff Walker/Frank Kern difference maker is. They entertain you with goodies, but they give you proof that what they are trying to sell you works. Their copy sometimes is not all that great.

      I have seen lots of guru bashing here on the WF and some of it is deserved. But the men and women who seem to go on and on in internet marketing can provide case study after case study of persons who use their stuff and it works.

      So in other words it is the truth, yes...but it proof that supports that truth that gives one's claims power. So, one way to do this is to create success for yourself or somebody else and then tell the public what they were able to do. No hype is needed. But I am talking about this from the perspective of what sells me. Others may be different.

      CT
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    How's THAT for lying?
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      Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

      Everybody lies. Period.
      What would Jesus say?
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        Originally Posted by Metronicity View Post

        What would Jesus say?
        He'd say not to lie, of course. But he'd also acknowledge that "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one".
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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              Originally Posted by AffiliateJ View Post

              I think if you sell the sizzle, you better deliver the steak!
              Have you been talking with my ex wife again?
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      Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

      Everybody lies. Period.
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    Selling cars, those that told the truth, in 99 out of 100 times, did not sell the car. Telling the truth does not 'fit' with everyone's personality, it would seem. About 1% or less of salesmen could sell cars and not lie. Customers DEMANDED the lie! In fact, they lied more than the salesmen! The customers told the most and biggest lies always gave the best customer satisfaction scores (even 3 years later), bought the most cars (over and over were the best repeat customers), paid the most money and referred the most people.
    What do you do when IF you do not lie, you do not succeed? The car buyers wanted a show. They did not want the truth. They wanted want they wanted. They are still in so much denial years later. Selling cars, you can take the time to sell the truth. On a web page, you have 7 seconds to 'Wow' them before they are gone. Tough job. My hat is off to all those that sell the truth here. I know a lot do, but it is not a secret that necessarily is helpful to increasing sales.
    Sure a small percent won't buy hype and lies, but when 95% of customers in that niche demand the lie, what do you do?
    (I was one of the 2-3 people I met in 27 years selling cars that sold cars without lying. I still put on a show, though. Lol.) I also spent as much time selling the 'deal' as the car! People want the lie, ask Hitler. If that wasn't true, he never would have been. To sell a car without lying usually meant selling the truth. That is 1000 times harder than selling the lie. For my peace of mind it was worth it, for most, I do not think so.

    (Almost EVERY customer asked me, 'Is that the best you can do?' To say 'Yes', is a lie. To say no and then justify the price, now that is selling. Few are able to do it.)
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by DogScout View Post

      Selling cars, those that told the truth, in 99 out of 100 times, did not sell the car. Telling the truth does not 'fit' with everyone's personality, it would seem. About 1% or less of salesmen could sell cars and not lie. Customers DEMANDED the lie! In fact, they lied more than the salesmen! The customers told the most and biggest lies always gave the best customer satisfaction scores (even 3 years later), bought the most cars (over and over were the best repeat customers), paid the most money and referred the most people.
      What do you do when IF you do not lie, you do not succeed? The car buyers wanted a show. They did not want the truth. They wanted want they wanted. They are still in so much denial years later. Selling cars, you can take the time to sell the truth. On a web page, you have 7 seconds to 'Wow' them before they are gone. Tough job. My hat is off to all those that sell the truth here. I know a lot do, but it is not a secret that necessarily is helpful to increasing sales.
      Sure a small percent won't buy hype and lies, but when 95% of customers in that niche demand the lie, what do you do?
      (I was one of the 2-3 people I met in 27 years selling cars that sold cars without lying. I still put on a show, though. Lol.) I also spent as much time selling the 'deal' as the car! People want the lie, ask Hitler. If that wasn't true, he never would have been. To sell a car without lying usually meant selling the truth. That is 1000 times harder than selling the lie. For my peace of mind it was worth it, for most, I do not think so.

      (Almost EVERY customer asked me, 'Is that the best you can do?' To say 'Yes', is a lie. To say no and then justify the price, now that is selling. Few are able to do it.)
      Ahh yes, that must be why car buying is consistently at the top of people's favorite things to do list, and why car salesman is one of the most respected professions around....because people can't get enough of the lying, lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
      Originally Posted by DogScout View Post

      Selling cars, those that told the truth, in 99 out of 100 times, did not sell the car. Telling the truth does not 'fit' with everyone's personality, it would seem. About 1% or less of salesmen could sell cars and not lie. Customers DEMANDED the lie! In fact, they lied more than the salesmen! The customers told the most and biggest lies always gave the best customer satisfaction scores (even 3 years later), bought the most cars (over and over were the best repeat customers), paid the most money and referred the most people.
      What do you do when IF you do not lie, you do not succeed? The car buyers wanted a show. They did not want the truth. They wanted want they wanted. They are still in so much denial years later. Selling cars, you can take the time to sell the truth. On a web page, you have 7 seconds to 'Wow' them before they are gone. Tough job. My hat is off to all those that sell the truth here. I know a lot do, but it is not a secret that necessarily is helpful to increasing sales.
      Sure a small percent won't buy hype and lies, but when 95% of customers in that niche demand the lie, what do you do?
      (I was one of the 2-3 people I met in 27 years selling cars that sold cars without lying. I still put on a show, though. Lol.) I also spent as much time selling the 'deal' as the car! People want the lie, ask Hitler. If that wasn't true, he never would have been. To sell a car without lying usually meant selling the truth. That is 1000 times harder than selling the lie. For my peace of mind it was worth it, for most, I do not think so.

      (Almost EVERY customer asked me, 'Is that the best you can do?' To say 'Yes', is a lie. To say no and then justify the price, now that is selling. Few are able to do it.)

      I'll tell you why car sales people lie to get sales.

      Because they're ranked competitively.

      The retail automotive industry is one of the absolute WORST with its sales management practices beeing firmly rooted in about a 1955-esque case of Management Theory X.

      The way retail automotive sales is managed has fostered the belief system and behavior over the history of the industry. Now everyone has to lie in order to get onto the sales board. I've watched it closely.

      In Japan, the retail automotive industry is completely different. It's an extremely respectable profession. Sales is consultative. You call a rep and they come to your home to consult with you first. Then you make an appointment to test drive a vehicle based on your short list choices in the consultation. None of the WILD BILL'S YOU SHAKE EM' WE SNAKE EM!!! HOOO WEEE!!! WE WON'T BE UNDERSOLD!!! B.S.

      US retail automotive is a textbook case study in everything that can possibly be done wrong in sales.

      Thankfully, the dealership industry is changing rapidly.
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      • Profile picture of the author J Bold
        Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

        I'll tell you why car sales people lie to get sales.

        Because they're ranked competitively.

        The retail automotive industry is one of the absolute WORST with its sales management practices beeing firmly rooted in about a 1955-esque case of Management Theory X.

        The way retail automotive sales is managed has fostered the belief system and behavior over the history of the industry. Now everyone has to lie in order to get onto the sales board. I've watched it closely.

        In Japan, the retail automotive industry is completely different. It's an extremely respectable profession. Sales is consultative. You call a rep and they come to your home to consult with you first. Then you make an appointment to test drive a vehicle based on your short list choices in the consultation. None of the WILD BILL'S YOU SHAKE EM' WE SNAKE EM!!! HOOO WEEE!!! WE WON'T BE UNDERSOLD!!! B.S.

        US retail automotive is a textbook case study in everything that can possibly be done wrong in sales.

        Thankfully, the dealership industry is changing rapidly.

        So, how about Joe Girard? His rule number 9 of his 13 rules it to tell the truth. A throwback to before 1955?
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by David McKee View Post

        Here is what Mr. LL Bean posted back in 1916 in his store:

        "I do not consider a sale complete until goods are worn out and customer still satisfied."

        And he lived by that credo.

        That is all you have to do to have a business that is still in business nearly 100 years later.

        -DTM
        LL Bean stores still live by that credo. Get your 5 year old boots wet and set them too close to the fire? Bring them in to an LL bean store or send them to the company, and you'll get a new pair back.

        Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM View Post

        Good money I heard marketing to the absolutely iditoic
        I once worked for a guy that always said, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the 'general public'" :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
          Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

          I'll tell you why car sales people lie to get sales.

          Because they're ranked competitively.

          The retail automotive industry is one of the absolute WORST with its sales management practices beeing firmly rooted in about a 1955-esque case of Management Theory X.

          The way retail automotive sales is managed has fostered the belief system and behavior over the history of the industry. Now everyone has to lie in order to get onto the sales board. I've watched it closely.

          In Japan, the retail automotive industry is completely different. It's an extremely respectable profession. Sales is consultative. You call a rep and they come to your home to consult with you first. Then you make an appointment to test drive a vehicle based on your short list choices in the consultation. None of the WILD BILL'S YOU SHAKE EM' WE SNAKE EM!!! HOOO WEEE!!! WE WON'T BE UNDERSOLD!!! B.S.

          US retail automotive is a textbook case study in everything that can possibly be done wrong in sales.

          Thankfully, the dealership industry is changing rapidly.
          I watched a documentary a while back where they took a top USA car salesman and a top UK car salesman and had them swap places.

          The American was the typical flashy salesguy type, gold chain, expensive watch and talking at people one hundred miles an hour.

          The UK sales guy was a little unassuming old guy with white hair and glasses with a very mild and quite spoken manor.

          What unfolded was great television. The American could not get a break in a UK car yard. His sales patter completely broke rapport with most of the people he approached.

          On the flip side, the quiet, mild mannered Brit absolutely creamed it. People just seemed to trust him and let their guards down around him. He made the most sales by far.

          There were obviously lots of factors in play but I took a lesson from it, and think about the mild mannered salesman that makes a killing a lot when I think how to approach prospects. I think in the USA there are so many of the hard and fast sales types that people almost expect it to a certain degree. I think you can also relate this principle to certain markets. In certain markets people expect to be sold to (IM is one example) but in other markets the hard and fast attitude bombs hard. The lesson I take from this story is even in niches where people are all trying to shout the loudest and make the wildest claims, greater success can still be had by coming across as level headed and trustworthy without all the hype.

          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          I once worked for a guy that always said, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the 'general public'" :confused:
          My first sales job my boss used to always say "always play to the lowest common denominator". I think trying to be clever can make it hard to connect with prospects. I am not a great copywriter but I know if I keep things simple and concentrate on the benefits then I can create something that will sell.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
      You too can make 15 million dollars a day even if you cant read or write, are fresh out of jail and dont have an internet connectiom

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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi createyouwealth,

        I think a lot of marketers underestimate how powerful telling the truth really is. If you know how to tell the truth while also hitting some strong emotional triggers, you will be very successful in this business.
        You'll might also find your balls in a mangle, just like in any other business - seriously.

        Most of us don't want to sell our soul, but we also want to avoid the mangle. It's a tough decision...

        Sometimes you have to seriously consider how much damage you're going to cause by telling the truth. 'Weapons inspector' springs to mind. It doesn't mean you have go around lying, but you sometimes need to consider sacrificing riches and keeping it zipped, if 'playing with the grandkids' has a nice ring to it in your life-plan.
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  • Profile picture of the author majidmaskat
    SALES COPY ARE BULL PERIOD, HOWEVER SOMETIMES EVEN IF THE SALES COPY IS ALL HYPE, THE PRODUCT MAY NOT BE, SO JUST SCROLL DOWN TO THE MAJOR PARTS AND READ BETWEEN THE LINES
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  • Profile picture of the author jbode
    I know this sounds bad but it seems like people are competing to be more deceitful and hypey in not only sales pages but other forms of copy as well ...just check your email inbox

    I guess the people who use less than 'normal' hype are the ones who really stand out aren't they?
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    Some of this has to do with Copywriting as a Biz-OP. So some of it starts there.

    Most salespeople (copywriters) have heard of the AIDA formula, but I learned it this way.

    Attention
    Interest
    Desire
    Conclusion
    Action and the one they all leave out:

    SATISFACTION. A satisfied customer has a life time value that could be worth 10 to 20 times the profit of the initial sale.

    YET, this is NOT the same as a money back guarantee, and of course, there are a few that won't even honor this...

    But the Internet makes it easy for people to get started selling something, and the SATISFIED customer has taken a back to seat to the "make money" NOW copywriting that is so pervasive online.

    Keep your prospect as your PRODUCT, that is, sell products which have the big S.

    SATISFACTION.

    And truth is the most satisfying benefit of all.

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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    I know from my days selling network marketing bizops that people
    will say they want the truth, but they don't: they want the illusion
    concerning get-rich-quick stuff.

    Many customers for get-rich stuff have a lottery mentality. They
    buy get-rich stuff just as reflexively as gamblers pump money
    into slot machines. There are a lot of them out there. They are
    not suckers, necessarily, but if your marketing message hits their
    hot buttons they will buy eagerly if they can scrape the money
    together.

    The discerning potential in the human brain can only be developed
    after the age of 24, which is when the biological part of
    brain development stops. This is why young people do so
    many dumb things. Beyond that age, some people just keep
    making mistakes and as we know, "hope springs eternal",

    ... especially among folks who want to get-rich quick.

    I'm not disagreeing that telling the truth is the best approach in
    many marketing situations.... but you know, people buy different
    things... the person who buys an obvious B.S. money-making
    thing isn't buying reality, he or she is buying a fantasy, which
    has value to him or her.

    I tried to be honest when selling bizop stuff, but I observed
    that people really bought the idea that it would be easy for
    them to make a lot of money in spite of their own personal
    limitations.
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    • Profile picture of the author psresearch
      Here's my FAVORITE bullet point of ALL time from a recent IM product launch:

      "No need to learn anything!"

      Really.
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        Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

        Here's my FAVORITE bullet point of ALL time from a recent IM product launch:

        "No need to learn anything!"

        Really.
        A bit like this one -
        "The XXXXX Millions system is simple and it works even if you've done nothing more than send an email."
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  • Profile picture of the author Derwin
    Thanks for giving this article.A lot of website use hype these days and that can increase sales a whole lot for them.About 1% or less of salesmen could sell cars and not lie. Customers DEMANDED the lie!. It is fact that most people tell lie but why it depends upon them.
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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    Hi all,

    As I read the posts on this thread, I see truth and experience in each.

    While I made the "secret weapon" comment, my point was not whether to tell the truth (or not.) Or even to challenge people to tell the truth when they market.

    My point was many marketers underestimate the power of the truth when it resonates.

    For instance, I recently did a video shoot with a permanent make-up artist. Basically these artists tattoo your lips, eyeliner and eyebrows for about 90 minutes.

    One of the question she HAD to respond to was: "Is a permanent make-up procedure painful?"

    She could not deny. There is pain.

    In her response, she handled it brilliantly and truthfully. She said "In my work, there are two topical numbing products I use. These alleviate the majority of the discomfort. And in 14 years and thousands of procedures, I have never had one Client who wanted to end a session early because they could not endure..."

    That's powerful. And it's true. And competitively speaking, people will trust her more than someone else who glosses over or avoids the question altogether.

    - Rick Duris
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    There are too many of these crappy overhyped sales letters now that make you run a mile away the moment you see these outrageous claims. Do they really think they can fool anyone except the innocent newbie who's just browsing through his first few "make money online" websites?

    They've taken it even a step further now with a ridiculous guarantee (I've seen it on a few new products recently) that states you can get your money back if you don't make $1,000 your first week. I guess they must think that the guarantee provides compelling proof that their product really does work. Sometimes even that is not extreme enough, as I've seen some sales letters with double guarantees that promise to pay you extra (on top of your refund) if you can actually prove you followed the system and were not able to generate the income that was promised. Seriously, who are these people trying to fool?
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  • Profile picture of the author David McKee
    My favorites include:

    You can make a gazillion bucks guaranteed...

    Even if you don't know how to use a computer!
    Even if you have never sent an email or ever browsed the web!
    Even if you don't know how to write!

    But the weird thing is, this is on a internet squeeze page...
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  • Profile picture of the author PTaubman
    I cannot think of anyone that ever got harmed by doing the right thing, by being ethical, and by providing more value than what was charged.

    Being honest is easier than being dishonest.

    Be Well.
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  • Profile picture of the author SKWeaver
    Not all hype is a lie. You can hype the truth just as much as you can hype a pack of lies. The problem is hype has become annoying. Any time something is overdone it loses it's effectiveness. The reason there's so much hype is because it sells (or used to). But now, people are sick of it, so smart marketers are taking a low-key approach and cashing in. It's just like the automated attendant that asks you to "push 1 for sales, push 2 for billing..." Businesses big and small used it to save time and money until customers got annoyed with it. Then, the smart companies went back to live operators and won HUGE customer service points. Others are still using it and annoying the crap out of their customers. To annoy or not to annoy... that is the question!
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