Please help asap! Member of Saj & Anik's new product, and I got this call...

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Hi everyone. I hope you don't think this message is too long, but it is really, really important to me. Im relatively new to this (started with Cell Phone Treasure 3-4 months ago) so I am still learning. I am a member of Saj & Anik's Clickbank Wealth Formula;

Have anyone else gotten a call from Saj & Anik's coaching department? I got a call recently, and the guy (Ken Cannon) interviewed me about my current situation and also how willing I would be to become a part of their programme of hand picked people to work directly with Saj, Anik and 5-7 experts.

We scheduled a new call soon, and he also said I had to speak with his director, Randi Grizzle. By then I should have money ready to invest - around 10.000 dollars we agreed.

So while I am more than willing to invest 10.000 Dollars, how can I be sure this is not some scammers calling me? How do I know that this is legit and I am not throwing my money away for nothing. It's a tough situation for me, but if I only knew for certain that this was legit I would make this investment right away. Ken ended the phone call saying my profile was pretty good and he had a good feeling about me.

Help please!
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
    Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

    ...I would be to become a part of their programme of hand picked people to work directly with Saj, Anik and 5-7 experts.
    As long as you are aware that the term "hand picked" is sales speak for "we had to use our fingers to dial your number" you should be alright.

    After all, if they're upfront about the way they chose you...:rolleyes:

    Personally, I'd do some EXTREME due diligence on this one.

    Just sayin'...

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    • Profile picture of the author felixen21
      But what he told me was he turned down a bunch of people every day. He said the point of them doing this was to build people up from the bottom to someone who makes a lot of money in six months. By then they want a video testimony or something like that to show people that their product actually worked. But how can I even be certain this guy works with Saj and Anik (yea he had my number and knew I was a member of CB Wealth Fornula, but still), and why would an investment so big be necessary right now?

      Any answers to this is HIGHLY appreciated
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      • Profile picture of the author LB
        Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

        But what he told me was he turned down a bunch of people every day.
        People who have already maxed out their credit cards?
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          • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
            Originally Posted by cannylad View Post

            Caveat Emptor
            My thoughts EXACTLY.

            Get everything in writing before you agree to anything.

            Find out what kind of guarantee they provide and exactly what you will be getting.

            And don't let the sales people on the phone talk you into doing anything that you are not ready to do or if it's outside your budget.

            When one guy asked me on the phone how much credit I had, I told him it was none of his go****m business.

            Personally, when I want coaching I go seek it out. I never, ever sign up for anything when someone calls me. If I want something I'll buy or invest in it, I don't need or want someone calling me to pitch it to me.

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            Originally Posted by nicholasb View Post

            I have paid 10k to work directly with 2 well known internet marketers and it added some serious loot to my bottom end.

            this all comes down to your thinking and belief system. which is way to in depth to go into, read the magic of thinking big. it's like 4 bucks on abebooks.com but it will help you deal with these issues.
            I'm curious, did you seek them out or did you join after a sales call? My whole point in this thread is that if you want coaching seek it out. You don't need someone calling you at home to convince to do so is all I'm saying.

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        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
          Send me 10k - I will guarantee you make 9k back by tomorrow morning.

          lol

          They are trying to upsell you. I would invest some time looking into some different coaching programs if that is what you think you need to improve your business.

          If this is a "tight" amount for you to spend, don't do it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Here's the deal...when YOU call someone you do it for the self-benefit. When someone calls you THEY do it for a self-benefit.

        Personally, I get calls like this and the first question out of my mouth to the other person on the end of the phone is "How much money are you making with your website?"

        NOBODY has ever given me an answer that wasn't evasive. Call me sceptical if you want, but why would anybody be calling other folks regarding the ability to make vast fortunes when they are not taking advantage of their own offers.

        But what he told me was he turned down a bunch of people every day
        Probably not as many people as turn him down, he's just phrasing it so it looks like he holds the power.

        Bottom line...nobody can tell you with assurance whether or not a given coaching program will be worth the asking price. Only you can decide that.

        Ask to be given a list of 20-25 folks who have paid for the program and call a few of them up. If their program is as good as they say it is perhaps others who chose to take them up on the offer can provide you with substantive results that showed they made a positive ROI.

        If you think you have what it takes to also make a positive ROI using the coaching then perhaps you will succeed with it.

        If they say the program is too new to provide you with a list of successful students, well maybe you should put the decision off for a while.

        Edit:

        BUT I also feel that since I so badly want to become great at this business it would suck tremendously to not take a chance like this.. Makes sense?
        $10,000 is a lot of money, and NO that does not make sense.

        Given that last remark by you I would definetely put this off. Your emotions are clouding your judgement and that will make for a bad experience on both ends of the deal. Sit on this for a few weeks...

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      • Profile picture of the author MoneyPlus
        Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

        But what he told me was he turned down a bunch of people every day.
        ... They probably turn down all the people who DON'T have the money.

        Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

        But how can I even be certain this guy works with Saj and Anik (yea he had my number and knew I was a member of CB Wealth Fornula, but still), and why would an investment so big be necessary right now?
        ... Tell them you want to speak to Anik personally.
        For your 10 grand, he'll probably come to the phone.

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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

        But what he told me was he turned down a bunch of people every day.
        Yeah right. People who didn't have a large enough bank account. Seriously, don't fall for this.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Yeah right. People who didn't have a large enough bank account. Seriously, don't fall for this.
          Yes. Please listen to people telling you not to do it. It's one thing to get ripped off on a crappy $27 ebook. But $10K? That would be heartbreaking.

          If you want coaching, or direction, or a plan on how to get your business off the ground there are lots of decent memberships that will cost $47 or $67 a month. You will learn more from one of these than you would from this type of scam.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gary King
        Sorry, I can't comment on the coaching/course or whatever it's called since I haven't seen it.

        HOWEVER, from a business perspective, here's two things you should know - I chopped up your quote for clarity.

        Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

        But what he told me was he turned down a bunch of people every day.
        CORRECT: If someone doesn't have the money to invest, or seems like they may be a real pain in the backside, or says "hey, I won't do anything but expect the money to pour in", they probably turn them down.


        Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

        He said the point of them doing this was to build people up from the bottom to someone who makes a lot of money in six months.
        WRONG: The point of them doing this is to MAKE MONEY. I'm not saying they can't do a good job, aren't trying to give back, etc., but this is BUSINESS. They are trying to make money. That's it. Everything else is icing.

        It's great to help other succeed, and you can build life-long relationships by doing so. However, do nothing but that, and you better be independently wealthy before you start. Unless you are making money, you can't survive to help others for very long.

        I'm not saying to do it or not - that's your choice. Just put the emotion aside and evaluate it like a business decision - at $10K business decision.

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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

        But what he told me was he turned down a bunch of people every day.
        Yes...people who don't have $10,000.00

        Any answers to this is HIGHLY appreciated
        Here's my answer.....run away as fast as you can....unless of course you like wasting $10 grand. If that's the case, then by all means, waste away.

        Our answers don't really matter anyway. Reading your posts, that $10 grand is as good as spent already.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

        But how can I even be certain this guy works with Saj and Anik (yea he had my number and knew I was a member of CB Wealth Fornula, but still), and why would an investment so big be necessary right now?
        Most likely, they sold your contact details to an outfit that sells coaching programs. They get a cut of the coaching fee from any of their leads.

        Again, most likely your details have been sold in hopes of making a sizable score (30% last I knew) on a backend sale.

        And the thing is (if they're using the outfit I'm thinking of), they won't even be a part of the coaching. The coaching company will structure a coaching program around their material and do all the coaching (and pay them $3,000 of your $10,000 just for the referral).
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      • Profile picture of the author Winlin
        Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

        But what he told me was he turned down a bunch of people every day. He said the point of them doing this was to build people up from the bottom to someone who makes a lot of money in six months.
        Any answers to this is HIGHLY appreciated
        In sales this is known as the take away technique.... they likely went on to say that before they could commit to including you, that they would have to have another interview or two or that , even though they felt sure you were the right person for this program they would have to run it by the big cheese (or the board)... after all it would not be fair to others in the program if you were not the caliber of person they thought you were... "If we choose to reject your application, you understand it's nothing personal , merely a business decision"... blah, blah, blah

        Did the conversation go even remotely in this direction???? If so pass in a heartbeat.. it's probably a very closed very scripted sales presentation designed to lead you through a very specific set of emotions.
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      • Profile picture of the author kimberly Aita
        Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

        But what he told me was he turned down a bunch of people every day. He said the point of them doing this was to build people up from the bottom to someone who makes a lot of money in six months. By then they want a video testimony or something like that to show people that their product actually worked. But how can I even be certain this guy works with Saj and Anik (yea he had my number and knew I was a member of CB Wealth Fornula, but still), and why would an investment so big be necessary right now?

        Any answers to this is HIGHLY appreciated
        They turn down any one who can't afford to pay them and if you let them know you are interested but can't afford 10,000 you can probably get some help for under 1,000. I have had several of those calls and they call everyone to see who is willing to pay how much.

        I never could afford the coaching so I can't say whether it will actually help or not but I always thought it sounded great. :rolleyes:

        If you can afford to invest without it hurting you terribly, I would say negotiate, negotiate, negotiate.... but that's just my opinion

        Good luck and let us know what happens,
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    • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
      Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

      As long as you are aware that the term "hand picked" is sales speak for "we had to use our fingers to dial your number" you should be alright.

      After all, if they're upfront about the way they chose you...:rolleyes:

      Personally, I'd do some EXTREME due diligence on this one.

      Just sayin'...

      ~Bill
      Now that is just so funny and so true....this sounds like a very sales oriented call and that is a large investment. You should be skeptical.

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  • Profile picture of the author felixen21
    Well, maybe. According to him just people whose profile didn't fit what they were looking for. But no matter what it's obvious he'd say that. This is a crazy dilemma to me. I feel this could be a once in a life time opportunity for me, but at the same time it's a lot of money to risk. First of all I don't know how I can be certain that this guy really does work with Saj & Anik. And if he does, I don't know if I can be certain that they can without a doubt help me. BUT I also feel that since I so badly want to become great at this business it would suck tremendously to not take a chance like this.. Makes sense?

    EDIT: That was aimed at LB.


    Acenuegirl, it's like 25% of what I own, which I earned in the last two years. It would be terrible to lose, but I would be able to bounce back.
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    • Profile picture of the author funkynassau
      Have you ever heard that old line "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is?" I dont know this guy but I smell a scam. You have no proof he is who he says he is. If he is on the level, then he should be willing to meet with you and prove he's above board. Dont be a fool or a fish and hand over 10 grand just like that. Money is too hard come by for a rash decision on your part.

      Did you notice he had a quick, reasonable sounding, answer to your questions? I bet he's said this stuff a lot of times to a lot of people.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Only you can help yourself.

      You are being marketed to.

      What do you think makes you so special? Why are you different than anyone else?

      I'm not trying to hurt your feelings - just being honest here.

      A lot of people want it badly - but most don't have 10k to plunk into a business to begin with. Those people will be written off immediately.

      You know how you become successful? Sit your butt down, write a business plan, and follow it.

      For 10K, I would want to be coached personally by "Saj & Anik" if they were the ones in charge.

      The person who is offering to coach you - did you ask to see their website? Did you ask how they are making their money?

      Have you asked will there be additional investment needed past the 10k? Cause for that money you could have 10 professional websites up and running in a week by outsourcing the work to be done for you.

      Personally, I think you need to think about this a bit more - but it's your money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
      No - it doesn't make sense.

      They're playing you like a violin and telling you what you
      want to hear and inducing the fear of loss too.

      Even if this was really initiated via Saj and Anik, I wouldn't
      touch it with a 10ft barge pole.

      It sounds more like a boiler room operation that's been
      set-up to upsell people from the initial Clickbank purchase
      into a $10k 'coaching' program.

      Keep your $10k - if you've even got that - and decide
      what business you want to be in.

      Then, and only then, you go and seek out the products
      and services that meet your specific needs.

      Don't just buy because they hunted you down.

      If something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

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    • Profile picture of the author Richnana
      Hold on to your money. Don't do this one. Give yourself some time to learn the ropes on your own. This sounds like a SCAM to me. $10,000 is too much to invest with people who say you were handpicked. They handpicked all the people who had $10,000. Believe me no one was turned down who had the money.

      The worst case scenario is that you give them your money and their telephone is suddenly disconnected. You have no way to reach them except their email. There are some programs on the Internet that have been around for a while that provide this type of coaching...for less. I would do my due before I handed my money to a stranger.
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    • Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post


      Acenuegirl, it's like 25% of what I own, which I earned in the last two years. It would be terrible to lose, but I would be able to bounce back.
      Ok, I'm new here too, but I've looked at a number of systems over the years in real estate, marketing, etc. Here's what I've found.

      Most systems being sold today are "broken" systems. By that I mean that the days of making a huge amount of money with them with little effort are over, due to a change in markets, an increase in competition, or a change in the law.

      It doesn't mean that you can't make money with them, it's just that it's harder than the original product creators want to actively pursue.

      Because of this, you will want to be very careful with any new system that you try out. I would personally not recommend that you risk 25% of your wealth, unless they can offer you a very specific, "results or your money back" offer. And by specific, I mean one in which they can't claim that you just didn't try hard enough.

      I personally don't know about the product itself. It could be worth it's weight in gold. But I would stress caution here.

      Good luck!
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      • Glad to see that you aren't doing this. I would read this forum and listen to the people here. They can probably give better advice for that system, or recommend a more effective one.
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        • Profile picture of the author davidjames42973
          Glad you didn't fall for the upsell.

          Find a course of action and stick with it. Don't get distracted by the next shiny new toy...
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          • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
            Tell them you want all the offers and promises in writing signed and dated by Saj and Anik.

            You want a money back guarantee.

            You want to pay online by credit card to Saj and Anik direct and you want them to send a physical product containing all the course info and recordings of your coaching sessions on CD.

            The sales people have been 'qualifying' you - now it's your turn to 'qualify' them.

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            • Profile picture of the author gsm316
              i got a call too they have gone to such extremes i saw it as a scam and disconnected the phone now i receive call s from them 3-4 times a day its annoying
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          • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
            Originally Posted by davidjames42973 View Post

            Glad you didn't fall for the upsell.

            Find a course of action and stick with it. Don't get distracted by the next shiny new toy...
            Except...that this was not an upsell in a pure sense. It was a direct referral What happens when you purchase an internet marketing product is this outfit gets your name, email address and maybe your phone number.

            They are a seperate entity, but they introduce themselves as being associated with whoever gave them your info as a lead. I really don't like it, but as somebody else pointed out, they never agreed not to sell or refer my information.

            This company seems to work with a great many internet marketers, because not too long after that I got a message from someone who was working with "such and such internet marketer" and the pitch was ultimately the same. This all happened about two years ago, but I guess they are still operating in the same way.

            And why shouldn't they? Most info products go for $1997 at most. These guys get payments with three zeros that are a whole lot more than that. Think about it; people really want to make money these days so how many prospects do you need to talk to before you have had a good week?

            I don't think they are crooks, but their "coaching" angle allows them to ask for more money. You are not going to hear from Anik and Co with this stuff ever again until they launch another product. They (Anik, etc.) are no place near this arrangement with this coaching firm, with the exception of the nice fat commission they are going to get when you sign on. Cool, huh? No, not really.

            This with no testimonials, no proof, no nothing...just a sales process. I guess since you might pay as much as you might otherwise pay for a used car; this kind of sales technique works. I am not sure that I will ever be asked but I don't think I would give name, email or phone number to somebody who is going to do that?

            To the OP, did you give your phone number to Anik when you bought the product?...just curious because I don't normally give anybody my phone number. And now, I don't think I will be going forward at all. I am not scared of this, mind you. It is just that I don't want call from third parties like this and I doubt if somebody is not going to sell me their product if they can't have my phone number.

            I think that the OP has successfully been weaned away from this nonsense, and was probably fine once he got off the phone with them the second time. I think they probably know the chances are slim and none that they will get you once that happens.

            There is another thread on the board that talks about honesty. I think that selling the information of one's customers to an outfit that does this and asks for $10,000 for coaching and implies that they are with the big named marketer (when really they are not) borders on being dishonest. I guess everyone can make their own choices but that is one line I will not cross. That does not make be better than anyone; I am probably leaving some money on the table, but again...I am just not going to do that to my clients.

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    • Profile picture of the author tredd80p
      Hi Filexin21,
      If you just do a little searching on this forum, people aren't so excited about even the "Clickbank Wealth Program" I can't post the link... but search this site, and you'll see.

      I would wait or pass completely, there are so many legitimate offers on this site, that are affordable, and doable, and the risk is more your time/energy than your money.

      I've learned the hard way to just wait. I was all pumped up to buy into Howie Schwartz program recently... luckily I couldn't get out the $2K he was asking from my 401 K very fast. While I waited for my money to clear... I did some research on the product, and the guy, and folks were saying his materials were slapped together and that he was hardly involved in the product at all, also, the product support was terrible, and getting a refund was like pulling teeth and took weeks. Pretty much he'd take your money leave you with a bunch of stuff to look through and run.

      That's when I started getting on the warriorforum, there are so many good cheap ($10-$300) wso's here... and they're selling GOOD info, and we have a whole group of warriors to call them out, if there product is no good.

      I recommend that whatever strong arm technique they used like "act now", "last chance", could stand to pass.

      I hope you don't lose your 10K, I could use money like that .
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    felixen21, they're just pushing your buttons.

    If you really feel like ordering something right now, go order Cialdini's book "Influence" (available at Amazon.com and other fine book sellers). Or just run to the closest library and read it.

    Once you've done that, see how many strategies from the book the people on the phone used on you. In other words, examine their sales process and learn from it.

    There, that's some personal coaching for you... and it didn't cost you a dime.

    Seriously though, sleep on it. It really isn't a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. There are always highly qualified coaches ready to accept your money. But don't give it to them until you are ready to accept what you learn... and apply it.

    Until then... learn and apply what you learned from the program you just purchased. And if you're not doing anything with it, then you probably wouldn't do anything with the coaching, either.

    Cheers,
    Becky

    ETA: If you're unsure if it comes from Anik, ask his support desk. If he's not doing the coaching personally, avoid it like the Bubonic Plague.
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    • Profile picture of the author Edk
      Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

      felixen21, they're just pushing your buttons.

      If you really feel like ordering something right now, go order Cialdini's book "Influence" (available at Amazon.com and other fine book sellers). Or just run to the closest library and read it.

      Once you've done that, see how many strategies from the book the people on the phone used on you. In other words, examine their sales process and learn from it.

      There, that's some personal coaching for you... and it didn't cost you a dime.

      Seriously though, sleep on it. It really isn't a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. There are always highly qualified coaches ready to accept your money. But don't give it to them until you are ready to accept what you learn... and apply it.

      Until then... learn and apply what you learned from the program you just purchased. And if you're not doing anything with it, then you probably wouldn't do anything with the coaching, either.

      Cheers,
      Becky

      ETA: If you're unsure if it comes from Anik, ask his support desk. If he's not doing the coaching personally, avoid it like the Bubonic Plague.
      Thanks for this Rebecca. I learned a heck of a lot on this thread, and I signed off a list as a result
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    I had the same kind of thing happen, but with a different product and company last year. What it came down to was that they were trying to get $5000 out of me and they told me I would never be successful without their coaching. I told the guy to get &%#$%& and that was that. The thing is, it started exactly like you are talking about and I was someone they chose blah blah blah. Just beware that your best interests ARE NOT at heart with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    As has been mentioned, it's most probably an upsell, (Had these phone calls myself). I know someone who joined one of these programs for about the same amount of money who went on to realise they knew more about IM than their coach!

    You've had some good advice, at least sleep on it before you make any rash decisions, but personally, no I wouldn't go for it either

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  • Profile picture of the author kbs
    Follow you gut. If it doesn't feel right from the get go walk away. 10k is a heck of a lot of cash to burn up on something w/ no guarantees, you've got better odds in Vegas.
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  • Profile picture of the author Noonaa
    Hi
    I agree I got totally hooked, hadn't even started and fell for the same story different company. If I had known then what I know now I wouldn't have done it. I've only just started out here and there seems to be some great sensible info. I would have a look round before spending so much money because believe me this will just be the beginning.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

    We scheduled a new call soon, and he also said I had to speak with his director, Randi Grizzle. By then I should have money ready to invest - around 10.000 dollars we agreed.
    You are absolutely nuts if you invest $10,000 in this. This sounds like another program I joined and the telemarketing for a "coaching" program was outsourced to another company. As soon as they got the amount of money that was available to you to blow, that was the price. Don't do it. There's far cheaper ways to learn what you need to learn.
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    • Profile picture of the author Manie Amari
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      You are absolutely nuts if you invest $10,000 in this. This sounds like another program I joined and the telemarketing for a "coaching" program was outsourced to another company. As soon as they got the amount of money that was available to you to blow, that was the price. Don't do it. There's far cheaper ways to learn what you need to learn.
      If you still decide to go ahead with this (I hope you don't) make sure you use a reliable payment option(i.e Paypal). This way if you change your mind or you find the promises were just pipe dreams you can do something about it.

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  • Profile picture of the author uabclst
    Hey man. For $10k you can buy a lot of sites at Flippa that actually make money. That's a sound investment. Investing in a course is hazardous.
    Also, (in my opinion) there's no better way to learn than to sitting there with some (successful) sites of your own.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    If you were going to work personally and directly with Saj and Anik - Absolutely it would be worth it.

    The fact of the matter is though, the "professionals" that you will be turned over to more than likely know less about Internet Marketing than YOU DO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andrew Prince
      Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

      If you were going to work personally and directly with Saj and Anik - Absolutely it would be worth it.

      The fact of the matter is though, the "professionals" that you will be turned over to more than likely know less about Internet Marketing than YOU DO.

      Very true, in this case you could have 10 of your OWN products created including website, content etc. for 10,000 dollars and make a lot more than that back using clickbank etc...

      I bought a product from Saj about email marketing off of clickbank and I was VERY disappointed, I knew 95% of what was there and what I did learn was not something amazing that was going to change my life.

      I'm sure like others have said your best bet is to stick around here for a few months and just read what people write, join the War Room ( people give away free goodies etc.) which can give you a great jump start.

      You can do a lot more with 10,000 dollars than you will get in return from Saj. My .02
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    You have had many WF experts caution you not to "invest" $10,000. I do not know anything about the program you mentioned but I would never spend that kind of money in any of them no matter how good they look.

    A quick look at the program:

    Module 8: Making $15,000 in 24 Hours.

    Why don't you tell them you will invest $10,000 as soon as you make $15,000 in 24 hours.

    I would run from this progam as fast as you can.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    This sounds like exactly the same type of deal of a well known, highly successful Internet Marketer. You buy his ebook or program. A little later, you receive a phone call offering you private coaching for thousands of dollars. If you want to get rid of them and tell them you're broke, they suggest you take out a loan.

    You are not getting private coaching from the guru. You are getting it from the "coaching company", whoever they are.

    I read over and over again of people who fell for it (fortunately, I was not one of them) and said that they were very disappointed at the "coaching". They did not make money from it and the info was nothing new and basically, they pissed away thousands of dollars that could have been put to very good use on other things.

    You are well advised not to talk to these people again. They will call and call and call if they think there's the slightest chance of getting your money. I resorted to hanging up on them every time they called, but they still called every couple of months anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary King
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      This sounds like exactly the same type of deal of a well known, highly successful Internet Marketer.
      Or Don Lapre. He was famous for the upsell via phone.

      Oh yeah, he's turned down LOTS of other people just today too...


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      • Profile picture of the author Jim Hallmark
        Originally Posted by Gary King View Post

        Or Don Lapre. He was famous for the upsell via phone.

        Oh yeah, he's turned down LOTS of other people just today too...


        YouTube - Don Lapre Sells Tiny Classified Ads
        Yep. I purchased his tiny classified ad course back in the early 90's and within a week I was called by one of his "sales team" members upselling me the opportunity to get into the 900# business. Unfortunately, I was stupid enough to fall for it and lost a few grand. Never made a dime on the 900 numbers either.

        This is kind of like the Nigerian scam, it never goes away. As long as there are gullible people, these kinds of things are going to be around.
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  • Profile picture of the author jlmkt
    Step back from your emotions and your feeling of desperately wanting to succeed: "BUT I also feel that since I so badly want to become great at this business it would suck tremendously to not take a chance like this."

    Make your decision strictly on logic.

    Do your really think that anyone they called who had $10,000 to hand over would be turned down? NOT! Those turned down most likely disqualified themselves by not having that kind of money to invest.

    Are there any guarantees? Any refund policy? Do you have a clear picture of everything you will receive? Will they continue to help as long as you need it? Any future "investments" required?

    Have you checked alternatives? Lots of alternatives? There are a lot of great coaches around (for far less) if you feel that's what you need.

    What can you learn yourself over the next six months that they are promising? Is it really worth it?

    $10,000 is a lot of money to invest in anything! Don't feel pushed into making a decision by their sales tactics. Make your decision on pure logic and due diligence, ONLY.

    Believe me, there's another bus coming right around the corner. This is not your only (nor necessarily best) chance to succeed. Read and learn on your own and then pay to fill in the gaps.

    Lots of great advice here. Go slowly...if at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    I have paid 10k to work directly with 2 well known internet marketers and it added some serious loot to my bottom end.

    this all comes down to your thinking and belief system. which is way to in depth to go into, read the magic of thinking big. it's like 4 bucks on abebooks.com but it will help you deal with these issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ash67
    If its coaching your after try researching Mark Ling at Affilorama, It won't cost you the earth and you will probably learn more here than you will for paying ten grand in cash to someone you don't even know.
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  • Profile picture of the author BarryOnline
    How did you find the "Clickbank Wealth Formula"? I've seen some pritty negative reviews on it.

    I had a webinar invite from Saj & Anik around a month back, I closed the webinar about half way through & unsubscribed myself from their list...

    The webinar seemed outsourced to me, like some guy was just reading notes off a peace of paper.

    I would NEVER part with 10k unless I know I was getting one to one coaching from the man himself.

    You need to look at things this way - Someone phoned you to get 10k off you, simple as that.

    Personaly I would keep the 10k & use it somewhere else.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Barry$ View Post


      The webinar seemed outsourced to me, like some guy was just reading notes off a peace of paper.
      Good chance it was even pre-recorded too. Were comments open?
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      • Profile picture of the author BarryOnline
        Originally Posted by avenuegirl View Post

        Good chance it was even pre-recorded too. Were comments open?
        No, you could not comment.

        I'm almost certain it was out sourced, its was so un natural sounding.
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
          I got the same exact call when I bought into Launch Tree.

          It goes something like this:

          Salesman: Are you making any money online?

          Me: Yes, I've been working full time from online businesses for 7 years

          Salesman: Wow that's amazing! You know, you are one of the very select few of people who actually make this work. You'd be suprised - 99% of the people say they havent even made their site yet. You are special. Since you are so special, how about you work directly with [person] so they can use your story as a case study...

          Me: hmmm...yeah I wouldn't mind creating a short case study for them. what all do need from me?

          Salesman: Well....very few people get this oppurtunity and we are basically about to sell out so a couple more calls and we'll be closing this offer...

          Salesman: but you do realize, you will get to work directly with [name] and you'll make the investment back really quickly

          (in my head...investment?? I thought I was helping them out....)

          Salesman: How much is your credit limit?

          Me: $10,000

          Salesman: Well it just so turns out we have a $10,000 coaching program...you can even split up the payments so it doesn't hit you all at once....

          Me: No thanks, I have too much on my plate already. Thanks though. Good day!

          You know why the gurus outsource this kind of stuff? Because with every $10,000 coaching program they sell, they get a $3,000 cut. All they have to do is send over their customer phone number lists and that's it.

          It's like free money to them.

          Did you know that they [the product creator] try and make whatever they made off their launch with their backend coaching offer?

          I'm not going to say that the coaching isn't worth it - if you are new to making money online it could be good for you, who knows....

          I will say that the chances of whoever your coach is actually knowing and doing what they are talking about is very slim to none.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

            I got the same exact call when I bought into Launch Tree.

            It goes something like this:

            Salesman: Are you making any money online?

            Me: Yes, I've been working full time from online businesses for 7 years

            Salesman: Wow that's amazing! You know, you are one of the very select few of people who actually make this work. You'd be suprised - 99% of the people say they havent even made their site yet. You are special. Since you are so special, how about you work directly with [person] so they can use your story as a case study...

            Me: hmmm...yeah I wouldn't mind creating a short case study for them. what all do need from me?

            Salesman: Well....very few people get this oppurtunity and we are basically about to sell out so a couple more calls and we'll be closing this offer...

            Salesman: but you do realize, you will get to work directly with [name] and you'll make the investment back really quickly

            (in my head...investment?? I thought I was helping them out....)

            Salesman: How much is your credit limit?

            Me: $10,000

            Salesman: Well it just so turns out we have a $10,000 coaching program...you can even split up the payments so it doesn't hit you all at once....

            Me: No thanks, I have too much on my plate already. Thanks though. Good day!

            You know why the gurus outsource this kind of stuff? Because with every $10,000 coaching program they sell, they get a $3,000 cut. All they have to do is send over their customer phone number lists and that's it.

            It's like free money to them.

            Did you know that they [the product creator] try and make whatever they made off their launch with their backend coaching offer?

            I'm not going to say that the coaching isn't worth it - if you are new to making money online it could be good for you, who knows....

            I will say that the chances of whoever your coach is actually knowing and doing what they are talking about is very slim to none.
            Any case study, they can use, would require someone that is NOT like you! They would require someone with NO or a SMALL list and with little or no experience, etc...

            Asking YOU to be a case study would be like having a Mr. Olympia participate in a study for a bodybuilding course for beginners, or having him as an AFTER picture!

            At least this is one scam that I never fell for. They EVENTUALLY, or sometimes in the BEGINNING, start trying to make you believe that the credit cards are OPM(They like to use the ackronym to sound smart and try to avoid the subject but eventually mention OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY) But the thing is that you DO have to pay it back WITH INTEREST!

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    • Profile picture of the author cannylad
      Join the war room here for a measly $37 and read read read an enormous amount of information in there for free.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raquel M Luna
    I don't know about the company but I do know this from experience. When you're new and others know it you can easly be a target. What I have found is if you have to put in that kind of money something is wrong. Look at their track record. Is their system duplicatable? Do they offer business tools, web sites etc. Another question you need to ask your self is, who's running the show and can they offer a proven plan of action. Good luck.


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  • Profile picture of the author ileneg
    Ocean front property in Arizona anyone???

    Seriously, if you were confident in this offer, you would not have posted. Go with your gut...the reason you posted. And if that doesn't work, listen to those who have replied thus far AND RUN!!! Answer the phone, say no thank you and move on.

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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      Well, no honest marketer here will tell you to hand someone 10000 bucks to start online.

      10000 will build you an incredibly successful online business.

      Browse the WF, buy an established site on the WF or Flippa, build a team of professionals to get your business on...

      There are much more effective and useful things to do with this money...
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  • Profile picture of the author diger
    You should read all these replies twice as almost every one here has been lied to, cheated, disappointed, etc. by fraudlant "deals". Remember that there are more sharks on the internet than in the ocean..........
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by diger View Post

      Remember that there are more sharks on the internet than in the ocean..........
      Makes you wonder how many of those sharks have appeared in his PM box now that the bait has been cut...:rolleyes:

      Hopefully, the OP has had time to digest this offer and will be able to approach this with a clear head devoid of emotional pangs.

      Like just saying "I thought it over and am no longer interested at this time" when the phone rings.

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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelBenz
    Why is everyone acting like phone coaching upsells are something new?

    You can't afford to run a million-dollar infomercial by recouping your investment with $29.95 book orders.

    Coaching floors have been around for decades. The only thing that has evolved is the method of lead-gen. It's much easier to get a bunch of buyer leads with a clickbank launch than to spend $750k to get on tv.

    Some floors are good, most are total ****.

    And either way - with the way the IM market REALLY is right now (especially behind the scenes) -

    you could offer quite a few 'gurus' out there that $10k directly and they'd be glad to work with you personally (out of financial necessity as bad as it sounds)

    Back to your question. Should you do it? Probably not. There are much better ways to invest that money.

    As stated above - buying websites that are already making money is a great start.
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  • Profile picture of the author PeterGarety
    A lot of negative information here. Frankly, I only think positive about Saj P and his work.

    I think that the Clickbank product launch webinar, which he did about 4 months ago and, which was the Clickbank Wealth Formula pre-launch content is amazingly good. The other one, which he did recently together with Sean Donahoe about Video marketing was also very good.

    Besides, any of us, would love to have his magnitude online business - this is what we are here for. We want to make money and help other people to do the same. Wouldn't you agree?

    Therefore, my advice is very simple - if you do not feel safe with the proposal, then do not do it. Alternatively, just contact the Saj P himself to check this out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slin
    I got a similar call once, so glad I didn't do it.

    I had another marketer emailing me right afterwards warning me not to do it.

    He had received the call and new the warning signs.

    (it was a fellow warrior on here)

    You don't need to invest that much to learn how to market online, trust me.
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    I think everyone else has said it, but leave this one well alone.

    You shouldn't need to invest more than $200 + a lot of time, sweat and learning at the beginning of IM.

    I suggest just join the War Room and look at the Market Samurai free videos on their website and you will be well on your way :-)

    I believe that expensive coaches are good once you are making enough money to afford them. E.g. if you make $10k a month profit from IM, spending $2k a month on a coach is no big deal. But choos someone who has a solid reputation on Warrior Forum, not someone who is peddling an IM product on another site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Henshaw
      [QUOTE][A lot of negative information here./QUOTE]

      I disagree.

      There is a lot of positive information posted here. Much of it from seasoned marketers.

      To the OP: Let this pass and take a deep breath while saving your money. There are thousands of these "training opportunities" out there, so chill out and wait for the next one.

      Oh, and when you get 'the next one' evaluate it and remember to return to the valuable advice that you have just received from the Forum members who have posted to your thread - right here.

      Remember also, that Warriors took time to post you their advice - and you did not have to pay anything for it. If you have not done so, please do try searching the Forum and see what you can learn from it as an alternative to spending money.

      If there are gaps in the information that you require, that can not be found free of charge, then pull out your credit card and spend money (wisely) to fill those gaps.

      Just my thoughts and the best of luck with your decision.

      Regards,
      Jeff Henshaw.
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    • Profile picture of the author netkid
      I don't know if it is just me, but lately, I am receiving a lot of IM sales calls with pitches.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Stay away...stay far, far away.
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    • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
      Sounds like you are doing your due diligence checking this out, kudos to you. (I'm not familiar with that particular offer, so I have no idea about it's value & could only guess at this point).

      Bottom line is this;

      If you feel there is true value, counter with what you are comfortable with, simple solution. For example, break down the amount into monthly installments, and have ROI check points in there so that you may cancel and cease making payments should you feel that you are not getting what you are paying for (…have something like that in your agreement - not an attorney, so have better wording than this).

      If you still have nagging doubts, don’t place your order and move on. If' it's meant to be and is an awesome solution, it will still be around in some format later on when you are more comfortable with the fit at that time.
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      • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
        You have taken two very important steps: 1. You did not immediately fall for the spiel and whip out your credit card 2. You came here for advice.

        You have received some very good advice here, enough to put you on the path to success. And it cost you nothing other than a little time.

        I've been on the receiving end of any number of up-sell pitches over the last few years. Thank goodness I was protected by 1. common sense and 2. lack of money.

        I have received more helpful, positive information and ideas here on the Forum than any overpriced coaching program I could have purchased.

        My advice? Look into the War Room, find some truly helpful information and tools. You will not only spend a lot less money, with determination, hard work and the right attitude (you already have a great attitude), you will find the success you seek. And you will not have that bitter feeling of throwing your money away on something that is far less than has been promised.
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    • Profile picture of the author ss442
      You'd be much better off joining the War Room, get advice on how to make money there and spending some of those dollars test advertising your own stuff!

      I am aware of these two guys, been on a mailing list of one for some time but I would never shell out that kind of cash for a system. NO WAY!

      The video from Allen Peterson is classic and sound advice.

      Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author All Night Cafe
      I'll make my comment brief. With all of the info
      youv'e received from these smart warriors, pick
      one of them to mentor you.

      Don't tell us who. But do everything they tell you
      to do. My money bets that you will learn and earn
      more with one of them than any coaching call
      marketer.


      Hope you listen.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      "Money Plus said... Tell them you want to speak to Anik personally.
      For your 10 grand, he'll probably come to the phone."

      Spot on, it's been said enough, leave it well alone. As one dude said go and buy some income generating sites on flippa, if you're that desperate for a mentor go to some of the guys in here and ask them to be your mentor and give them your ten grand. If it was anik personally calling you and personally mentoring you I'd maybe take a look but some dude cold calling you...No chance in hell.
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  • Profile picture of the author camforbes
    OMG really?

    sounds like the internet marketing techniques corey rudl (IMCC) and russ brunson employed.

    you're getting hustled, son!

    read the droid.

    especially this: Inside Dot Con Secrets
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  • Profile picture of the author Ruka
    I once had a call from Mike Filaime's salesmen like that - they did not get very far at all, what a waste of time.

    It would be nice if Anik or Saj were to come to this thread and explain why the OP got this call in the first place. Otherwise their reputation is at stake here.

    I would like to know.
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  • Profile picture of the author GoogleWarrior
    YOU ARE GETTING SCAMMED BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author terrapurus
    Don't do it. I am not saying that it is good value. But this is an upsell and you are failing to realize that this is an upsell. It is the high level upsell, so it is done via phone contact. And of course you 'were especially selected" ... it's a telemarketing script.

    What I am saying is that if you can't recognize a basic upsell yet, your skills in marketing and selling are not advanced to the point where you will get 10k worth of value from a 10k course. They might pack in 30k worth of value, but you don't have the knowledge set to apply it. In business, what you don't know CAN harm you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Hey Pete,

      Nicely done. You could have also included "The Number Of The Beast" or "Prowler" By Iron Maiden too. lol

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  • Profile picture of the author felixen21
    Been a little busy with the family the past few days so I haven't had time to check the forum. I cant believe the many replies and I think it's so cool of you guys. I am not going to do this. I wont say I have been scared away, but more that I have gotten my emotions under control (i'm sure you could all tell I was pretty hyped haha) and you've learned me to be patient and careful.

    Of course I had heard all the horror stories of people getting scammed on the phone, giving up their credit card info just like that. I even had those thoughts running through my head while speaking to him, but I wanted to save all my critical questions for the director. Still Im so glad I came here to ask you guys.

    Yes I'm still so new at IM which I guess is why the guy could easily catch my interest with promises of learning directly from saj, anik and their few experts, and the fact that I could turn my 10.000 into 100.000.

    But I'm not doing this. If they are as talented and successful with this coaching thing as they claim, I guess I should be able to wait six months and watch out for the people who did agree to the coaching and see how it went.

    I'm gonna buy the much cheaper access to the other sections of this site and start from there, cause I sure trust you guys more than some stranger on the phone
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    • Profile picture of the author Gaurav Duggal
      10,000 is a good chunk of change for any coaching program. When i first started i did invest in a couple of good programs like this, but they weren't quite as expensive. There are pros and cons of getting involved with coaching programs.

      Pros:
      - One on One coaching
      - Get the foundations of your business right
      - Can work very well if you are willing to put a lot of effort in

      Cons
      - Not all coaching programs are created equal
      - You never actually get to speak with the product creator (i.e. Anik or Saj) unless you invest in an even higher level program!
      - Your coach may have limited or relatively outdated knowledge about the industry and can only take you so far
      - You can get great coaching for 1/20th of the price or less here on the warrior forum from some pretty reputable guys. Tristan Bull and Chris Farrell come to mind
      - No refunds typically

      Even though i've done these programs and they have helped, i'll echo the other sentiments around here and say that you should look around these forums first, and perhaps if you need coaching, go with one of the reputable IM coaching programs here - less cost, and potentially better material IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author bertuseng
    10000 is WAY too much. Don't do it. There is no way that you need to invest that much into whatever they have planned for you to start out with.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vikram73
    I get the feeling that you're gonna have to lose the $10,000 to really learn your lesson.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
      And why is that?

      The guy came to the forum and asked for advice, he did his due diligence which is exactly what he needed to do

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      I get the feeling that you're gonna have to lose the $10,000 to really learn your lesson.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Originally Posted by vikramd View Post

      I get the feeling that you're gonna have to lose the $10,000 to really learn your lesson.
      What are you talking about? Doesn't look like you read the other posts here.

      His OP was looking for advice. He's doing his due diligence. And he just posted that he is not going to get the coaching.
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      • Profile picture of the author Vikram73
        Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

        What are you talking about? Doesn't look like you read the other posts here.

        His OP was looking for advice. He's doing his due diligence. And he just posted that he is not going to get the coaching.

        You guys are right - my apologies to the OP. He said he wasn't going to do it and I misread the thread.

        -Vikram
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Lotter
    I had a similar thing happen to me, for another program.

    The guy called me up out of the blue and spun me a story that almost exactly mirrors what has been described in the opening post, including the whole thing about being hand-picked.

    They also wanted a sizeable investment for what they called a private coaching program for people that "met their profile" or something to that effect - and they were also looking for testimonials in a few months to show people THEIR program worked.

    The guy kept asking me if I was prepared to invest the money. I kept telling him that I had the money but I would do a proper due diligence before I paid anything, and that I would need to meet with them in person before I made any decisions about an investment that big. It's not the kind of business you should do over the telephone. Every time I said that, he would launch into a new list of things that would supposedly sell me on the idea, and I would shoot him down with the same response every time. And so we went around and around in circles.

    To cut a long story short, he ended the call by saying I fit their "profile" perfectly and that his manager was going to call me in a few hours to set things up.

    I never heard from them again.

    There has been a lot of great advice offered to you in here and I can only suggest you take that advice in. I also definately agree with the suggestion to join the WAR ROOM - now THAT is an investment you will never regret, and it won't cost you a fortune either.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
    Same thing happened with me...the cost was the exact amount that they perceived that was on my credit cards. I bought Adwords Miracle. They said they were from Chris McNeeny or whoever. I can't tell you what to do, but a couple of us seem to have heard from this outfit before.

    You would not be wise to part with $10,000 for this program. I think Jeremy said it best that if you are going to work with the two owners personally and they are going to guarantee some results it MIGHT be worth it and even then it is a risk.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
    Hmmmmm...so I guess that "we will not rent or sell your information to anyone" was NOT on the capture page.

    CT
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Al
    A friend of mine bought a Joe Vitale product and had the sales team call him up for a personal coaching program.

    Whilst I dont or see these as scams (they're just upsells) ... unless you have the money to burn then you shouldn't invest/buy.

    My friend found the Joe Vitale sales team very aggressive and after two calls told them to stop.

    If you were going to spend $10K on a car I'm sure you'd do a little shopping around ... if you're going to invest $10K in education ... why would that be any different?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dixiebelle
    I am judging by your number of posts, that you are new to the Warrior Forum.

    I also noticed that you are not a member of the War Room here. Spend the $37.00 and join today. There is enough free information in the War Room to afford you a PHD in marketing over the next 6 months.

    Make that your classroom. Download everything free from the War Room that you can get your hands on and study, study, and then study some more. What you don't understand, come here and ask. Someone will help you.

    Don't waste your money on pipe dreams. You may need it for outsourcing, good maketing programs, and decent software.

    On a final note, I hope you haven't already given them your money. I have a feeling that you may already have.
    Good luck to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    find an 'accountability partner'
    every morning make a list of three things you NEED to do to take your business forward. Every morning call him and have him write down your list and write down his. That evening, call him again. Tell him whether you did all three things or not & he shares whether he did his list. If you didn't he should give you hell. If he didn't, return the favor. Do it EVERY day.

    That tip is worth more than 10 grand. It is the one (and only, that I know of) to way to stay motivated and taking action. Many of the 'gurus' that do not have well known names (some are well known) but make 7 figures a year do that exact thing and many attribute that one thing to the reason they succeeded when others that where smarter, more clever, had more money to invest, more coaching and more time failed.

    PM me for my paypal address and I'll be happy to take the temptation away...
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    Man for 10,000 I could get you up and running tomorrow sheesh. I guess we all have to go through growing pains because if I was new and had the means I would probably have forked over 10 grand to Tom Vu and a number of others back in the day. On the other hand, there was no internet exposure like it is today to check these people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ishan Soni
    Here's your action plan if you've got $10k.

    1. Master the skill of copywriting. (Get Dan Kennedy's Ultimate Sales Letter, John Carlton's stuff, Get the book 'Triggers' by Joe Sugarman (free) and get all stuff released by Robert Chaldini (Especially influence)
    2. Get a War Room membership
    3. Create your own products and get everything done (Write your own copy instead of hiring a copywriter because you'll have to do it some day).
    4. Launch it. Hire an outsourcer and tell him to recruit affiliates for you.
    5. Hire 4-5 outsource workers from phillipines and give 'em $250-$300 a month for full time work. Outsource traffic generation like article marketing, blog commenting, traffic geyser/video marketing etc. For the first week or two just teach em this stuff and get 'em to master it. Find John Jonas outsourcing audio (you can find it free at replacemyself.com) and get his training.
    6. Split test your capture page. Build your list. Build a relationship with your list. Monitize it.

    To put this whole thing into action it would probably take you $1k to $2k MAX (startup).

    And all you've got to do is keep paying these outsourcers the money.

    This is THE most profitable, long term biz model ever. If you've got 10k do this instead of buying some coaching program.

    These steps are SIMPLE. Not easy. But it works. Like CRAZY.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Originally Posted by Charles Harper View Post

        Hmmmmm...so I guess that "we will not rent or sell your information to anyone" was NOT on the capture page.

        CT
        Charles,

        Most capture pages do not have this disclaimer.

        RoD

        Originally Posted by Big Al View Post

        A friend of mine bought a Joe Vitale product and had the sales team call him up for a personal coaching program.

        Whilst I dont or see these as scams (they're just upsells) ... unless you have the money to burn then you shouldn't invest/buy.

        My friend found the Joe Vitale sales team very aggressive and after two calls told them to stop.

        If you were going to spend $10K on a car I'm sure you'd do a little shopping around ... if you're going to invest $10K in education ... why would that be any different?
        They called me too about a year ago. They were beyond aggressive. I explained to the fellow on the phone that I had been in sales for over a decade so there was no need need for him to be so high-pressure because I knew exactly what he was doing. I caught him in one lie after another. He actually told me, over the phone, to grow a "pair of balls" and take "the plunge."

        All I remember was laughing really hard for a long time. He eventually got frustrated with me and hung up on me (I really did think it was funny because he was being so absurd). They never called me back. I guess I didn't fit their profile.

        Originally Posted by DogScout View Post

        find an 'accountability partner'
        every morning make a list of three things you NEED to do to take your business forward. Every morning call him and have him write down your list and write down his. That evening, call him again. Tell him whether you did all three things or not & he shares whether he did his list. If you didn't he should give you hell. If he didn't, return the favor. Do it EVERY day.

        That tip is worth more than 10 grand. It is the one (and only, that I know of) to way to stay motivated and taking action. Many of the 'gurus' that do not have well known names (some are well known) but make 7 figures a year do that exact thing and many attribute that one thing to the reason they succeeded when others that where smarter, more clever, had more money to invest, more coaching and more time failed.

        PM me for my paypal address and I'll be happy to take the temptation away...
        One of the best posts in this thread because it's been proven to work time and time again. I would just like to add one thing to your post: find an accoutability partner with a little bit more knowledge and experience than you. Even better if you can find one to mentor you.

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    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by Ishan Soni View Post

      Here's your action plan if you've got $10k.

      1. Master the skill of copywriting. (Get Dan Kennedy's Ultimate Sales Letter, John Carlton's stuff, Get the book 'Triggers' by Joe Sugarman (free) and get all stuff released by Robert Chaldini (Especially influence)
      2. Get a War Room membership
      3. Create your own products and get everything done (Write your own copy instead of hiring a copywriter because you'll have to do it some day).
      4. Launch it. Hire an outsourcer and tell him to recruit affiliates for you.
      5. Hire 4-5 outsource workers from phillipines and give 'em $250-$300 a month for full time work. Outsource traffic generation like article marketing, blog commenting, traffic geyser/video marketing etc. For the first week or two just teach em this stuff and get 'em to master it. Find John Jonas outsourcing audio (you can find it free at replacemyself.com) and get his training.
      6. Split test your capture page. Build your list. Build a relationship with your list. Monitize it.

      To put this whole thing into action it would probably take you $1k to $2k MAX (startup).

      And all you've got to do is keep paying these outsourcers the money.

      This is THE most profitable, long term biz model ever. If you've got 10k do this instead of buying some coaching program.

      These steps are SIMPLE. Not easy. But it works. Like CRAZY.
      I don't know how you think you can get "Triggers" for free...I would like to know, BUT, you can get "The Adweek Copywriting Handbook" by Joe Sugarman that has ALL the triggers in it for a low cost at your local bookstore. Other than that, great plan!
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  • Profile picture of the author gsport11
    Choose four or five things in IM that you want to learn. Over the next month spend half a day on the Warrior forum searching each of those topics. Read every entry for your search topic. Implement those strategies that are widely endorsed.

    Go to your bank. Withdraw $100 of the $10,000 that you thought of spending on this personal coaching. Treat yourself and a friend to a nice dinner.

    You will finish this activity with a full stomach and much more credible knowledge than you would have if you had gone for any so called personal coaching program. Plus, you will still have $9900 that you can invest in your business in a way likely to bring a genuine return.

    If you really feel you need coaching, find a successful business person. Offer her or him a reasonable hourly rate to answer your specific questions over a cup of coffee or by phone. The key is for you to find that person rather than for that person to find you. Many of us are willing to share our knowledge for free, but if your selection charges at least you will know the credibility of the person you have chosen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    OP,

    You live in my province eh? I smell a clear-drawn-out upsell here, that probably won't make you your money back. I wouldn't throw 10k at it with a ten-foot-pole, just my advice. And if you want something to spend that 10k on, come meet with a 15-year-old IMer who knows about everything IM, and learn something . I'm sure I could pencil you in!

    Caleb

    P.S. I do not offer coaching, or meetings of any kind, so please nobody pm me like crazy (some lady, once tried to drop her kid off at my house)
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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    Been there, done that, lose money on that... (not the same coaching, but they are similar).

    I see red flags everywhere!

    I've receive this kind of calls at least once a week. As a product reviewer I purchase a bunch of products. And every time when a optin form has the "phone number" field, the first red flag flash in my mind because I know that I will receive "the call".

    And as soon as they ask me how is my credit score I freak out!

    For some of these outsourcing services the whole "coaching concept" reside in give you a "coaching by the book" where one operator calls you weekly to check on your progress and gives you tasks for the week according to a check list (they are no gurus or experts they just know what the book say).

    Can you make money with that kind of coaching? Probably yes if you are the kind of people that need the "human reinforcement" even though they will tell you exactly what the ebook you purchase says word by word.

    Perhaps out there exist some really good tele-coaching programs, but I prefer no to take that kind of risk with my hard earn money (besides my wife will probably kill me if I hard invest on coaching again).

    But once again, the final decision is always up to each one.
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  • Profile picture of the author woobiesmom99
    I agree with the majority here. I've purchased and entered into quite a few programs on IM. Most give you some great info then just whet your appetite to want more and more info, but then you need to spend more and more to get it. I bet during this phone interview he led you to tell him just how badly you wanted this to work, then gave you the line. Take your time, listen to your gut and the people here. There are several "Experts" that won't need ten grand from you to help you out, I work with one. Keep your money, work on your plan and follow through.
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    Ya know, if you donate 1% of that 10K here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-daughter.html
    I am sure you will win a friend knowledgeable in IM that would be happy to help you if ever you hit a road block with some quality direction...

    & you will sleep better tonight, as well.

    Just a thought... help enough other people realize their dreams and aspirations and you WILL achieve yours.
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  • Profile picture of the author tash77
    Wow these guys are going for the gusto. What balls to call a complete stranger and tell him he should feel lucky to invest $10,000 with him. I would have laughed and hung up in his ear. Actually I wouldn't even have taken the call.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicholasedward
    Hey man. For $10k you can buy a lot of sites at Flippa that actually make money. That's a sound investment. Investing in a course is hazardous.
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  • Profile picture of the author felixen21
    I see some of you guys have gotten very similar phone calls.. Yeah, this Ken Cannon actually also told me to take my time and think it through. He also said that I should open a notepad on my computer and write down the following three things:

    Debt free
    Retirement
    Financial Freedom

    Then we spoke about my debts (I have none, he said he was impressed), my retirement (I have 150 bucks lol, didn't even know that until two weeks ago) and how I defined financial freedom. We spoke a lot about how much I wanted to do this, what my goal was and so on.

    Is that a standard procedure too - the caller asking you to write down some things that he wants to discuss?
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    • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
      Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

      I see some of you guys have gotten very similar phone calls.. Yeah, this Ken Cannon actually also told me to take my time and think it through. He also said that I should open a notepad on my computer and write down the following three things:

      Debt free
      Retirement
      Financial Freedom

      Then we spoke about my debts (I have none, he said he was impressed), my retirement (I have 150 bucks lol, didn't even know that until two weeks ago) and how I defined financial freedom. We spoke a lot about how much I wanted to do this, what my goal was and so on.

      Is that a standard procedure too - the caller asking you to write down some things that he wants to discuss?
      Yes you and I talked to the same company (2 years removed). It may not be a standard script but it is their script. The company goes by many names and it is my understanding that by the time they are done, you are going to be doing some drop shipping. Although, they may have taken that out of their pitch.

      CT
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    • Profile picture of the author N4PGW
      Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

      I see some of you guys have gotten very similar phone calls.. Yeah, this Ken Cannon actually also told me to take my time and think it through. He also said that I should open a notepad on my computer and write down the following three things:

      Debt free
      Retirement
      Financial Freedom

      Then we spoke about my debts (I have none, he said he was impressed), my retirement (I have 150 bucks lol, didn't even know that until two weeks ago) and how I defined financial freedom. We spoke a lot about how much I wanted to do this, what my goal was and so on.

      Is that a standard procedure too - the caller asking you to write down some things that he wants to discuss?
      I see you decided to say "NO" but I will answer this.

      He is pre-screening you and drawing you in by your dream.

      You want to be debt free, you want financial freedom, you want the better life, he is playing on that weakness.

      At the same time, he will draw out your objections by feeding your financials back to you. You still have 3 CCs with money available, buy the program and plan to pay the cards back with your profits. After all, you are joining the program to get rich.

      When the coaching was said to come from the two experts and their small expert staff, I knew it was a scam! If you are lucky, you will get a recorded greeting from the two scoundrels who are behind this mess. They will collect $10,000 and pass $5,000 to be outsourced to the 'expert team' whose goal is to keep you repeating the wrong steps in the $37 course you already paid for.

      Read about Kelly Felix and the Rich Jerk. Kelly announced that this is how he worked. His telemarketers called to sell you coaching and Kelly kept half and gave the other half to the outsourced experts. no one ever heard from Kelly. (Kelly changed his ways and started Bring The Fresh and promises to be more personally involved in coaching.)

      BTW, is that Anik Single from Lurn, and Affiliate Classroom?

      Regardless, you made the right decision.

      Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author N4PGW
    What you just received is a standard upsell technique. "Once in a Lifetime" Offers come at least once per day.

    If you want coaching, then you need to research various gurus and YOU persue them.

    If these guys are legit, they can put out an announcement that they want to coach ten people (or whatever number) and either hold a contest or take some form of application.

    Run! Don't walk away from this 'opportunity'.

    If you have money you are willing to spend on personal coaching, find someone publicly advertising it, learn as much as you can about them, and YOU approach them. They may turn you down! Because if they are good, they may well have their plates full and screen prospects.

    Unless you have done something so spectacular that you have already earned at least what they are charging for the coaching, you can rest assured that it is a SCAM! Or, maybe an upsell.

    Did you ask the person on the phone if their call was part of their coaching?

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    • Profile picture of the author FredJones
      If you have $10k, then many people (including me, and no sell intended here - just citing myself as an example and not as a seller) can easily select 5 niches for you, build the sites and SEO you to the first page of Google in the next 4-6 months, after which you should be able to bring back your investment in another 1-2 months easily. Each site costs $2k.

      Using $2k per site, you can again build your sites and try all kinds of PPC till you hit profit - lots of people can teach you that (this time excluding me - I am a PPC novice ) - and you shall start profiting immediately or maybe after some initial loss.

      And so on.

      Spend your money wisely. If you have time, take the SEO route. If you dare to lose some initial money (but I don't know how much, should not be too much if you have a good guide) then take the PPC route. You have the initial capital to build a fortune practically without knowing anything - go build it !!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    There is coaching that would be worth $10k... or way more... But not by guys that work for somebody else... They are just worker bees like all the other worker bees in the world... If they had made it online, would they be coaches working for someone else? The only "coach" you should hire is someone who can PROVE that they already have the result you desire and that can show you that it is possible for you to obtain that result as well (that they dont have some secret proprietary thing that you cant duplicate - like a #1 ranking for the keyword "porno" or something)... If they cant prove it - dont do it. If they arent going to coach you themselves, then dont do it. If you cant really afford it, dont do it. If you are looking for a magic pill, dont do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    It's a good thing you didn't fall for it. Your name and contact details (usually obtained through webinar registration or some type of opt-in form) have been sold countless times by the gurus to coaching outfits who then proceed to use commission-only salesmen who probably know less about the internet than you do to pressure you into spending huge amounts of money for coaching! This sad cycle is repeating itself all over again, as this was the same exact tactic used by the self-help and real-estate Gurus to rake in tons of cash on the back end through coaching programs.
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  • Profile picture of the author N4PGW
    It has been quite a while now, and I don't remember whose course I was viewing/reading, but I saw this in a sales funnel course.

    The process is to get the name, email and phone number of a prospect in return for a "Self-Liquidating Offer" (SLO). Then if they don't buy the upsell, send them a series of emails promoting the upsells. At the end of the series, pass their names to a telemarketing firm to promote more products. If they buy one upgrade, but not the next, it goes to a different telemarketing group who specializes in upselling a high priced 'package' for which the marketer receives 50%.

    "coaching" was not used, but, i am sure the 'specialists' have spit tested their tactics to find the best words to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author wilsonusman
    Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

    Hi everyone. I hope you don't think this message is too long, but it is really, really important to me. Im relatively new to this (started with Cell Phone Treasure 3-4 months ago) so I am still learning. I am a member of Saj & Anik's Clickbank Wealth Formula;

    Have anyone else gotten a call from Saj & Anik's coaching department? I got a call recently, and the guy (Ken Cannon) interviewed me about my current situation and also how willing I would be to become a part of their programme of hand picked people to work directly with Saj, Anik and 5-7 experts.

    We scheduled a new call soon, and he also said I had to speak with his director, Randi Grizzle. By then I should have money ready to invest - around 10.000 dollars we agreed.

    So while I am more than willing to invest 10.000 Dollars, how can I be sure this is not some scammers calling me? How do I know that this is legit and I am not throwing my money away for nothing. It's a tough situation for me, but if I only knew for certain that this was legit I would make this investment right away. Ken ended the phone call saying my profile was pretty good and he had a good feeling about me.

    Help please!
    That's so much money to invest on a product. What exactly was the investment for?
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaarrrggghhh
    Congratulations...you are in the hands of hard-core sales people and this is exactly how many labeled 'Gurus' make their substantial $100/K per month on auto-pilot.

    Seriously, it is simply how it is done.

    If you really want to know about a specific area of Internet Marketing from an expert, contact them directly.

    I worked in-house for 2 weeks as a web developer where they had their own in-house sales department...man, it was sooooo brutal to hear how they closed deals...they will say ANYTHING and they KNOW exactly what to say, HOW to say it, they would offer you their first born if they could get away with it - these sales people literally took tens and thousands of dollars from people DAILY who did not even have it to invest...we are talking single moms, grandmas, grandpas, you name it...they literally promised them the world and instant profits, etc. What a scam! These people were shut down so many times and they would just relocate and re-open their doors...really really sad! It made me put another area of where I would never do business again!

    DO NOT DO IT! If you are still really struggling with your business model, find someone who is already successful at it and contact them directly. Believe it or not, there are many sincere Warriors right here that would more than willing to REALLY help you, just do your due diligence...google them, check out any transparent results you can see on-line, check out the Better Business Bureau, etc. Contact others who have purchased and see what they are saying.

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    • Profile picture of the author rockingcow
      Did you get what you were promised from Clickbank Wealth Formula?

      My guess is NO, tell the guy when you make the money you were promised with that product then you might buy another product from them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pubster
    3 Words "Don't Do It" even if it is Saj & Anik calling themselves or coming to your house or whatever!!!!

    Listen I have bought every thing that comes down the pike. I mean $20 products, $100 products, $2000 and $1000 products. Most I wish I had my money back from.

    From buying these products I have learned NOT to give out my REAL phone number.

    These large upsells by Gurus started a couple of years ago when the GURUS were not satisfied with a single product sell and got greedy. I can't tell you how many times M Filsame and other top Gurus had their boiler rooms call me until I smartened up. These guys are trained to entice you to buy and make you think you are special and it won't be here forever. WISE UP now!

    First I would not consider Saj & Anik as Gurus.

    Second, you will never get training from them personally.

    Third, It does not matter what anyone teaches you if you don't take action.


    I guarantee you they will not teach you anything you can't learn here on this forum after you sift through the garbage for a LOT LESS money.

    As I said I've bought them ALL. EPIC Traffic, The Mage etc...big high dollar programs. What I have learned:

    Don't Associate Cost as Quality

    What Saj & Anik are selling is probably NOT a scam, but 25X overpriced. They are just taking the chance you will spend $10,000 dollars.

    The TRUTH is that the best training I ever got was from a Group training WSO for $27. a month (it's closed now) even after a year that's about $325 total. If you can't learn the basics and ins and outs of I.M. in a year you need to find something else to do.
    The reason I say that is that you don't want to become a professional student. The real knowledge comes when you start doing what you have learned by taking action on what you have learned. Your going to learn more by doing than continuously waiting for everything to be perfect before you start.

    If you are the type that can't say NO then don't answer the phone anymore when they call.

    I'm sorry for the rant I'm just telling you from experience. Even if you have the money.........it's just TOO MUCH.

    There are many Step by Step hand holding plans out there for a lot less money that actually work if you are willing to work.
    Heck there is a man on this forum that explains Step by Step how he makes $100 a day in a post and is not selling anything....Nada. He was working at Walmart.

    I'm done...sorry for the rant and hope I didn't offend anyone.

    Originally Posted by felixen21 View Post

    Hi everyone. I hope you don't think this message is too long, but it is really, really important to me. Im relatively new to this (started with Cell Phone Treasure 3-4 months ago) so I am still learning. I am a member of Saj & Anik's Clickbank Wealth Formula;

    Have anyone else gotten a call from Saj & Anik's coaching department? I got a call recently, and the guy (Ken Cannon) interviewed me about my current situation and also how willing I would be to become a part of their programme of hand picked people to work directly with Saj, Anik and 5-7 experts.

    We scheduled a new call soon, and he also said I had to speak with his director, Randi Grizzle. By then I should have money ready to invest - around 10.000 dollars we agreed.

    So while I am more than willing to invest 10.000 Dollars, how can I be sure this is not some scammers calling me? How do I know that this is legit and I am not throwing my money away for nothing. It's a tough situation for me, but if I only knew for certain that this was legit I would make this investment right away. Ken ended the phone call saying my profile was pretty good and he had a good feeling about me.

    Help please!
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    • Profile picture of the author rockingcow
      I just checked that course, you should be making $103,000 per month now.

      So take the $103,000 that you have made with cb wealth thingy, buy the new course for $10,000

      You will still have $93,000 left.

      Sounds like a good deal to me!
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  • Profile picture of the author russells
    It's standard business practice to upsell customers to higher ticket products/services.

    I would take a step back and seriously consider what you are about to take on. If it was me, I'd be thinking "If this product claims to teach me how to make X Amount per month, why would I need to buy the upsell? Surely this first course will suffice."

    Just my take.

    Good luck and don't just jump in...Due Dilligence!

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  • Profile picture of the author Philok
    Hey mate why not focus with Saj & Anik's Clickbank Wealth Formula that you bought, i do believe this product must show you to make money online and in your part you have to action on it.
    To succeed in this business it's about online you and your burning desire not about gurus or any kind of coaching.

    Good luck,

    Philok
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  • Profile picture of the author chewster
    : Originally Posted by felixen21
    We scheduled a new call soon, and he also said I had to speak with his director, Randi Grizzle. By then I should have money ready to invest - around 10.000 dollars we agreed.

    Have you ever gone in to buy a new car? The salesman will take you out for the test drive then hand you over to the "closer" to seal the deal...the "director" is the "closer"

    Let me ask you one question; Have you made any significant money with the first product you purchased from Saj & Anik"?

    Work that system first until you make some money and reinvest your money to learn other systems...I'd start with investing 40 bucks for the WAR room...Lots of great info in there...
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  • Profile picture of the author Rock Solid
    If it sounds too good to be true AND they want $10,000 seems like a no brainer to me. Those they "turned down" probably didn't answer their phone.
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  • I received a phone call a few months back (Can't remember who but I obviously was stupid enough to hand over my telephone number at the Opt in Form) asking me to invest in a coaching program for Affiliate Marketing.

    This guy was trying to convince me my life would come to an end if I didn't invest. He asked me how much I had available on my Credit Card. His arrogance was unbelievable so I let him ramble on, taking joy in the fact that he thought he had a sale and I knew he hadn't.

    He then asked me to hold on while he spoke to his manager. He then came back & said that all the mentoring places were full but If I could raise $5000 towards the cost he would "personally " match it. What happened after that amazed me.

    I asked him if he thought I was stupid enough to hand over $5000 to a complete stranger. He said and I quote " I'm not a complete stranger, I've been talking to you for half an hour".

    I declined his 'generaous offer ' to which he replied - "weve got your credit card details so you're going to be charged every month any way " and then hung up.

    Unbelievable! My advise is to steer well clear. There are good mentors on the web who will give you alot of help for free and you only sign up for a paid membership if you want to use other services such as hosting, sales pages etc.

    Save your money and good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      If you get calls for coaching just tell them to hold on a second while you get your recorder going since you want to record the call to make sure there won't be any misunderstanding later on... it will be the shortest sales pitch call you've received.
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      • Profile picture of the author Deucedriver
        Thanks to the OP for even asking this question, I'm sure this thread will be valuable to a lot of newbies. Also thanks to whoever mentioned "the droid" - not that is some funny stuff there!

        Anyway, to add to the growing collection of folks with similar stories...

        I received a call last fall from one of Brunson's operations. I was left scratching my head how they got my number, but anyhoo, almost the exact same questions were asked. The call got funnier when I actually started chatting about some job stuff with the telemarketer (online marketing for a side business I own is a part time gig for me, I enjoy it, but I am fortunate enough to have a j-o-b I really love and make decent money).

        Turns out, the telemarketer was in the same line of work that I am, but at a significantly lower level. I know how much he made in his "day job" and why he had to resort to selling this scam. Needless to say I wasn't bugged again.

        I agree with the valuable advice so many have added to this thread and would recommend to be very cynical, run like the wind from anyone who ever says "stinkin' thinkin" and pick up a copy of Cialdini's book.

        Good luck!
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  • Hi Felixen21,

    This is pure marketing.

    They know exactly where you are in terms of Internet marketing i.e., new to the game, so they are leveraging their offer based on your lack of self confidence and incertainty.

    Give yourslf a break - you are doing better than you think.

    Mate I haven't been in this game long, but long enough to advise you to keep that $10,000 where it is.

    Follow your chosen system, don't be like a moth attracted to a bright light (you may get burnt), and prepare a business plan with some goals set out in front of you (personal, achievement and monetary goals).

    Hope this helps

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  • Profile picture of the author thesweetspot
    Don't Do It...
    If you think this is a once in a life time opp. well still do not do it..why you ask..bc opportunities come everyday I am seriously everyday.

    You are best to cancel out of that membership site and go to click bank or shoot just google on how to make money online with internet marketing. And follow that product's advice. I know you probably want to make the big money..Everyone does but not at the expense of your own time and sweat for something that is bunch of BS..and if you already have that sinking feeling you might as well get out of that so called opp.

    There are about 10 top untapped markets as we speak. And just about every internet marketer is jumping on it, maybe you have heard of local marketing. You could honestly get a free ebook from somewhere, learn it and then apply it. And you could then help someone in your local community you could come back here for help or buy a ebook that i know someone is always selling to help you out if you did not get how to help that business owner out. But 10.000 grand for what??

    You are better to buy an ebook and apply the techniques and do that...if you are trying to sell anything online..you could also sell your own product. Everyone knows that is where the big big money is. look at all the top corp. ebook owners, etc. they are had or have their own product or unique business model that was easy and that anybody could buy or use.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronald Nzimora
    Felixen21,

    Please don't spend your $10,000 on Saj P or whoever else, not even on John Reese unless he'll do the coaching himself (John Reese, that is).

    Here's what to do:

    Go to Jason Fladlien's website at http://www.e1kad.com/jasoncoach and sign up as a member. It's closed now but do this:

    Call his HelpDesk on (309) 517-0655

    Then tell him your story as you told it here and ask to join the membership, even though you understand it's closed. Jason is a straight guy and will grant that favour.

    I don't know how much it'll cost but i think ill cost you about $67-$97 a month. That's certainly nowhere close to $10,000. But i tell you you'll learn more about this business from Jason than from anybody else.

    I'm not his brother, not his father, not his sister and not his friend.

    I'm just a satisfied client of his and I live in Nigeria, Africa! If Jason could help me, then he can help you.

    Just my two cents.

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    I think the majority of the replies to the OP missed answering
    the questions he was asking. He didn't want to know whether
    he should take the plunge or not but if the CALLER was legitimate.

    Well, I guess he got a lot more than he asked for.

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  • Profile picture of the author mikeey
    I had this very same call last November but not this product, i think the call came after i signed up for ppc classroom {free member of course} The conversation was nearly word for word!!

    Is it a scam? no i don't think so its just very clever marketing from the gurus team. They know their market very well and where in the sale process each and everyone on their list is at.They know what mindset you are in at any given time and of course they press all the right emotional buttons at the right time.

    Take a deep breath and take the red pill{sorry just watched the matrix ha ha} to learn the truth about IM from this community. All you need to know about making money online is right here all under one roof, and most of that info is free.
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  • Profile picture of the author baza1955
    Lots of good advice here.....in a nutshell "Run"!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Vyliss
    Wow, I got suckered into this too with Kevin Wilke's product... I find it disgusting that well-respected gurus are partnering with scam artists like these.

    Fortunately, I got my money back.
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  • Profile picture of the author benrpalmer
    I would also stay well clear of this
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    • Profile picture of the author zeef
      felixen21

      I think you can count this as a close call, but hopefully a useful lesson. To be fair I would say that I do not have experience of a Saj/Anik related coaching program, and it may have useful content etc. I did however have a similar experience a couple of years ago -spoke to initial sales person - because I was "suitable" (had credit available) etc was referred up - then spent long chat with him, me getting increasingly sure that I wasn't going to go ahead - OPM was mentioned a lot, Guy got fairly unhappy once I started requiring more detailed info/website for them I could check out - at end he concluded that I was probably not right anyway as I wouldn't commit on phone call - got quite unpleasant with it too which made me pointlessly angry afterwards.

      Sad how many marketers feel that they can't overlook this extra cash. Also makes you nervous about genuine coaching programs. I did read a Kelly Felix blog post a while ago about his regrets regarding outsourced coaching that he had set up for his customers- this again may have been different. Overall I couldn't agree more with most of the comments here though.

      Good luck

      Bob

      ps I'm the last person to give advice but :

      FWIT:

      Avoid the temptations and try to focus on one thing to begin with - at least until it works or you decide its really not for you.
      If you must, find a 'guru' you trust (there are ways of finding/checking), but understand their limitations - there is no magic bullet/button.
      Don't oversubscribe to emails, or only check that email account every now and again.
      Complete your work first before any forum chatter/email reading/opportunity hunting.
      In the words of a once popular beat combo 'Don't believe the hype', especially scarcity tactics. Genuine scarcity is, ironically enough, genuinely scarce. In most cases what you're itching to buy today, will still be there tomorrow.

      I could go on and on but that's more than enough
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  • 10k? HAHAHA. I made that mistake one time. I bought the Donald Trump real estate course for 10k..Ended up investing 150k in houses in BAD parts of the neighbor hood like my coach told me to do (because they were cheap)..BAD mistake.

    I wasted over 100k!!!

    Keep your money.

    There are PLENTY of offers here at this forum for 17-37 dollars that are worth MORE than 10k.

    Even a 17.00 ebook can be sold for 10k if you have a good enough sales pitch.

    Please dont make this mistake. I have been in this field for a long time. I know what the heck Im talking about.

    Take that 10k and buy 10k worth of 17.00 ebooks HERE at this forum.

    PS they told me the same thing. I was HAND picked. And NOT everyone was picked...They acted like I had to get approved through this special meeting over the phone.

    They were gooood and I bought it. Learned a very costly lesson.
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    • Profile picture of the author CrhisD
      Originally Posted by TheSalesTechnician View Post

      10k? HAHAHA. I made that mistake one time. I bought the Donald Trump real estate course for 10k..Ended up investing 150k in houses in BAD parts of the neighbor hood like my coach told me to do (because they were cheap)..BAD mistake.
      Donald Trump would have been bankrupt by now if banks and bondholders hadn't given him a break. But now I'm curious, how did you spend 150K and lose 100K?
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  • Profile picture of the author KhadijahChapman
    If you have 10k to invest... there are much better ways to use your money for leverage.. if you are going to spend that type of money... due your due diligence on an expert that you really like, trust and respect and contact him/her directly and work with them one on one...

    Never buy into someone who calls you.... if you are going to spend that type of money... you should be the one initiating the call. Ihave a host of millionaires mentors that you could work with one on one and it wouldn't cost you 10k - however if you have that type of capital and you put it to good use, you could really have a heck of a success story in a relatively short time span... 6-12 months..

    that is if you use connect with the right situation. I hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author Pauline60
    You are obviously not comfortable with their 'offer' or you would not be asking the question here. I suspect that you gut instinct is telling you not to do it.

    I cannot comment on the programme concerned as I know nothing about it. However I cannot imagine why they would need to take so much money from you even if they were going to help you. That is a heck of a lot of money, especially when there is so much available for free, right here.

    Pauline
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