Article Submission Robots and DUPLICATE CONTENT

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Hello Warriors,

I heard about a piece of software that will submit your article to 400 article directories; this will give you 400 backlinks with one article and increase yor page rank...

However, wouldn't this break
Google's rule of DUPLICATE CONTENT????

I am not sure... I want to buy this product...but not if it will put my website into the Google Blackhole/Sandbox.

Have you ever experimented with any of these kinds of article submissions bots? If so, what were the results?
#article #content #duplicate #robots #submission
  • Profile picture of the author Pete Egeler
    Google's "Duplicate Content" applies to YOUR SITES ONLY.

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  • Profile picture of the author GoogleWarrior
    So...does that mean that if I wanted to send one of my articles to 400 article directories... I woud not be penalized? (And thanks Pete Egeler for your quick response.)
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    • Profile picture of the author Emils
      You will never be penalized for external links. Why? Because if it was possible to harm a site externally, people would do it all the time to kill their competitors' sites.

      That being said, you will get no value from having 400 similar articles linking to your site. At best, Google is only going to index one of those articles.

      What you could do instead is do proper article spinning and then submit the spun versions of your articles to many article directories. This approach works because every article you submit is considered Unique by Google.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post


          This is wrong. Google will index all of them, but in the supplemental index. You may not get any traffic from them, but their backlinks will still help your site's off-page SEO, whether the articles themselves are spun or not.
          I certainly agree with this, but I still pose the question whether the link will help as much as if was spun (to a degree that Google recognizes it as a unique article and appears in the main index).

          It seems to me that it is likely that Google would value the duplicate article less. It would be awfully hard to test this under controlled conditions of course, at least to a statistically significant level.

          I think it is pretty clear that Google values diversity of backlinks. For instance, 1 link from 50 domains, is worth more than 50 links on 1 domain (everything else being equal). Also, having 1 link from 50 domains with different IP addresses is valued more than 1 link from 50 domains with the same exact IP address (e.g., you have a HG account and put all of your sites on your HG account and use those 50 sites to link to your money site). It has also been my experience that it helps for diversity to get links from sites in different languages (versus all in English).

          Now, logically, this should carry through to the duplicate article versus spun article debate. That is, while the duplicate article would still count as a backlink, having a spun and "unique" article would likely be viewed as adding more diversity to the backlinks and thus be valued more than a duplicate article link.

          Tom
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post



              I don't think I believe this one: I see it alleged and (skepchick that I am) I guess it's "information" about as reliable as "duplicate content penalties" and all the other nonsense people believe in. I may, however, be wrong. :p
              Actually, it's pretty easy to demonstrate

              There are some forum/community platforms which are all on the same IP. For instance, Webs ID and Ning. I know it's blasphemy to talk about profiles on here, but I have tested this on a number of my sites (as I have a bot that posts to Webs sites), and while you certainly get a boost from having tons of links all from the same IP address, you just don't get nearly the power as when you get profiles from diverse IP addresses.

              Google more or less lumps the links into one "batch" when they are from the same IP. Think about it. How easy it to put 40 sites all on the same IP, on say your HG account? Pretty easy, all for $10 a month. Obviously you can still "game" Google by buying IPs on multiple c-class IPS (I have 250 c-class unique IP addresses, for instance), but it obviously is much harder.

              Google is looking for "votes" to figure out SERP rankings, and when all the votes come from the same IP, that is just plain fishy.

              Tom
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              • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                Tom, your point about links from multiple IDs and using unique versions of articles gave me an idea...

                What do you think the results would be from submitting the same article with "spun" links/resource boxes? Say, splitting the links between a few key phrases, a few instances of the page url, a few for the main domain url and even a few "click here" type links.

                Same as pure syndication? Same as unique articles, spun or otherwise? Somewhere in between?
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                • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
                  Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                  Tom, your point about links from multiple IDs and using unique versions of articles gave me an idea...

                  What do you think the results would be from submitting the same article with "spun" links/resource boxes? Say, splitting the links between a few key phrases, a few instances of the page url, a few for the main domain url and even a few "click here" type links.

                  Same as pure syndication? Same as unique articles, spun or otherwise? Somewhere in between?
                  I view spinning resource boxes as a very good idea in general, and I would think a spun resource box but dupe article would fall somewhere in between a spun article and a dupe article.

                  One thing to keep in mind, is that if I put the same article from EZA on to say, Articles base, the page is not 100% the same. The article is, but that is only a portion of the page. I'm not sure if that split is 70/30 or what, but if it is 100% dupe than that would be 70% dupe/30% unique (at least unique vis-a-vis your article, not likely unique as compared to that article directory).

                  By spinning the resource box, you are moving some of that dupe category into the unique category (maybe 65/35), so IMHO that is a worthwhile improvement and likely to make the overall page appear more unique to Google and would likely give more power to the links (and also likely would increase the chance that the article would be in the main index versus the supplemental index).

                  Tom
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by Pete Egeler View Post

          Google's "Duplicate Content" applies to YOUR SITES ONLY.
          Of course, Pete is right...

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          The entire "duplicate content penalty" debate is based on a widespread but fundamental confusion between duplicate content and syndicated content.

          Originally Posted by Emils View Post

          [B]That being said, you will get no value from having 400 similar articles linking to your site. At best, Google is only going to index one of those articles.
          This is wrong. Google will index all of them, but in the supplemental index. You may not get any traffic from them, but their backlinks will still help your site's off-page SEO, whether the articles themselves are spun or not.


          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Google will index all of them
          Google will index all of them THAT IT FINDS...

          A few years ago, I wrote a post that addresses the Duplicate Content Penalty Myth...

          You can see that here: Article Marketing and the Duplicate Content Penalty Myth

          If you only watch the video that is linked, which was prepared by Neil Shearing, then there will be no doubt to anyone that the Duplicate Content Penalty is a myth and that you don't have to spin articles to get your articles indexed by Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    Can you explain "google's rule of duplicate content"?

    Submitting to directories is syndication not duplication. It has been discussed in many, many threads...
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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    Thanks for clearing it up. So do you think I'll have any issues with having 100 blogs with my adsense id links to my main site?
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerdrun
    Is this a 400 site submission software or service?
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  • Profile picture of the author addykho
    I guess no one really have a concrete proof if the links from the same domain carry the same weight as the same amount of links from different domains. But logic thinking would mean that votes from different domains would carry more weight. Anyhow, for me, a link is a link. Even forum posting signature does count (we are generating tons of links from forum posting here). So just concentrate in link building from different domains from time to time NATURALLY would help
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  • Hey,

    I have been reading this article. This is my first post and frankly I don't know understand when someone says content spinning is necessary.

    I published an article on my site. I posted an article on ezinearticles. Someone submitted my article to a free article directory. In my webmasters tool, I can see two links with same content ( i.e both of them are indexed). So where is duplicate content penalty being applied? I am confused if it is really required to change the contents to get indexed. I can post links if you want to see what I am saying.
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  • Profile picture of the author snapcontent
    A link from a site pumped with duplicate content usually carries less weight than another link because the site full of duplicate content probably carries less weight in Googles eyes

    Submitting the same article to lots of directories doesn't help you get much traffic, as a quick check on Google will show you. Try any 'money making' term, and see how many 'spam sites' loaded with nothing but duplicate content make the cut. Clue - it's a number < 1.

    Google claim there is no 'penalty', but they don't deny that they won't rank you for your duplicate content. It's pretty simple really. SERPs diversity is very important for a search engine. If you were a search engine, you'd do the same too (unless you're some kind of nutjob who thinks 10 pages of links to the exact same article on different sites makes for a good 'user experience' as they call it).

    A while back Google figured out that these little 'aggregator' sites were basically no more use than Google's own search page for a specific term. They then reasoned that Google might as well monetize those searches, rather than pass the traffic on to an aggregator for free and let some 3rd party make coin. They're in this game to make money, in case you hadn't noticed.
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  • Profile picture of the author RanD
    So many people misunderstand duplicate content, with regards to the penalty. Google looks at the pages to determine duplicate content...the whole page, as Tom pointed out. The article sites are different in themes, formats, links, images, etc... that have nothing to do with your article. Google doesn't just look at the word. News "syndication" has been happening for years. It is the same concept. Thousands of news sites get the exact same news articles and they a not devalued. Good articles from the article directories often get picked up for syndication on other sites, so if your article is good, it's going to wind up on multiple sites whether you do it yourself, or not. Spin them if you want. It certainly couldn't hurt, but don't worry too much about it. Duplication is only a problem if the duplicate content is on your site, or on a clone of your site, like the ones in those old Adsense in a Box kits. The real thing is that most of those other article sites are rubbish and the value of the backlinks aren't worth much, anyway.

    On the other hand, 500 links to your page from a single site would send up a red flag. You won't get penalized, but you won't get rewarded either. Google also knows which sites you own, so they know when you try linking to yourself, so you won't get much juice interlinking your own sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randy Daugherty
    Hi there,

    I have not tried that software you are talking about since you don't indicate what software is that..But as far as my knowledge is concern duplication is not really allowed by google but you can rewrite the article using a software then submit it..That why its not plagiarize nor duplicated.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Randy Daugherty View Post

      as far as my knowledge is concern duplication is not really allowed by google but you can rewrite the article using a software then submit it.
      That's why this is such a "big subject": that's what most people think, and it's a mistaken view based on a couple of fundamental misunderstandings.

      RanD really explained it very clearly and accurately, just above your post. (The only words in his post I don't quite agree with were the claim that "Google knows which websites you own", which I thought was a fraction oversimplified, but that was probably just me being pedantic ).
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by bpachica View Post

        Some of this are submitting article in the different article submission sites without spinning that can really make you're site a spam because of that
        This is utter nonsense.

        It's exactly what's commonly imagined by people who don't appreciate the difference between duplicate content and syndicated content and are living in fear of a "duplicate content penalty" against their own site which doesn't exist. In reality, they can't make your site "a spam", as you've put it. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author snapcontent
    Glad we've got THAT sorted out then.
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