Would you rather be a poor honest IM or a rich dishonest IM?

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Would you rather be a poor honest IM or a rich dishonest IM?

What do you think about the question that my buddy emailed to me...
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by GoogleWarrior View Post

    Would you rather be a poor honest IM or a rich dishonest IM?

    What do you think about the question that my buddy emailed to me...
    You forgot the third option: an honest rich IMer.

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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    Third option is best. You can be honest and people think you're not, but that's a whole different story.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I'd Honestly like to be rich... you can buy morals... its called PR... you can even surround yourself with yes men so that you come to believe everything you do is right!

    Then you can believe you are moral, and they protect your rep so everyone does too.

    It's perfect...

    I've seen it happen to people!
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    How can you be a truly honest IMer and be poor? =)
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    • Profile picture of the author funkynassau
      Ideally rich and honest would work for me, but I'd rather be poor and honest than rich and a crook. What goes around comes around and karma will bite you in the butt if you are dishonest. Yes I watch My Name is Earl and I think he's right

      Besides, I sleep better at night knowing I am an honest person.

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      • Profile picture of the author kimberly Aita
        Originally Posted by funkynassau View Post

        Ideally rich and honest would work for me, but I'd rather be poor and honest than rich and a crook. What goes around comes around and karma will bite you in the butt if you are dishonest. Yes I watch My Name is Earl and I think he's right

        Besides, I sleep better at night knowing I am an honest person.

        Funkynassau
        Wow, I have always believed in this and so while I agree with the former posts about issues etc. I think it was just a question but I love this response.
        I would always rather be honest whether I get rich or not.... still, I hope to be super rich someday and I do believe that if I can sell someone something they want to buy anyway then I am definitely not only being honest but helping
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      The question lacks intelligence.

      There are plenty of rich honest internet marketers.

      I think maintaining your integrity in life is crucial but the thinking that maintaining your integrity should somehow stop you from being successful shows weak thinking.

      People display this kind of thinking in other areas of their lives too.

      Instead of finding a way to make a living or finding a solution that doesn't compromise their morals they make excuses that don't stand up to any kind of intelligent scrutiny.

      There are no excuses for compromising your integrity and there are thousands of ways to solve any problem.

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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Morgan
      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      How can you be a truly honest IMer and be poor? =)
      By following the complete wrong strategy.

      some marketers can be honest but can be following the complete wrong strategy which could lead them to zero sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    For everyone, are you guys sure everything you do is truly honest?

    Do you follow 100% of your promises? Do you exaggerate to get a job? Do you compete with others and hope they're not better than you?

    I think if you're truly honest with yourself, you are rich already. It's long-term thinking.

    As long as you do no harm, it's all good.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I personally plan on making a fortune by being predictably honest.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

    For everyone, are you guys sure everything you do is truly honest?

    Do you follow 100% of your promises? Do you exaggerate to get a job? Do you compete with others and hope they're not better than you?

    I think if you're truly honest with yourself, you are rich already. It's long-term thinking.

    As long as you do no harm, it's all good.
    I think you are confusing "honest" with "well intending"... competition isnt dishonest. Nor is wanting to win.

    Edit: I have always admired football players and thought that they turn out to be better businessmen, because they are trained at an early age to seperate competition from personal feelings... When in competition they are going to try everything to kick your butt with no mercy... then when the games over it was just a game...

    They are able to compete in life as well without having a conscious. They seperate the issues, where for some of us, we struggle with competing because it has personal meaning... moral dilemmas...

    I have observed this again and again, not being one myself, that football players make better, higher achieving sales people.

    I believe it is because of this competition training. They are able to turn it on and off at will.
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  • Profile picture of the author rufus40444
    When I was dishonest I made over $10,000 a month with affiliate marketing on one particular niche. Honestly, I really did, and it was kind of a dishonest way of marketing.

    But now I am honest, and poor, and even tried to make an honest website trying to help other people make money online. But the truth of the matter is, at least in my case, is that the people who spend the money buying things online are typically those who get all excited about the hype and stuff from those squeeze and landing pages we all have seen.

    Now the economy is tough in the US, and that was the majority of my income, so now I'm poor. How ironic?

    But if I could make that type of money again, I certainly would... and the honest website I created is in my signature, but I'm not getting the traffic I need or making the money I need to be able to support myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author excoder01
      Originally Posted by rufus40444 View Post

      When I was dishonest I made over $10,000 a month with affiliate marketing on one particular niche. Honestly, I really did, and it was kind of a dishonest way of marketing.

      But now I am honest, and poor, and even tried to make an honest website trying to help other people make money online. But the truth of the matter is, at least in my case, is that the people who spend the money buying things online are typically those who get all excited about the hype and stuff from those squeeze and landing pages we all have seen.

      Now the economy is tough in the US, and that was the majority of my income, so now I'm poor. How ironic?

      But if I could make that type of money again, I certainly would... and the honest website I created is in my signature, but I'm not getting the traffic I need or making the money I need to be able to support myself.
      That's a good point -- can you really blame a dishonest person?

      Let's say a young mommy blogger creating all these "blogs" on how to get rich within a week. However, she left out the earning disclaimer where you need to spend money for traffic and hosting.

      Her excuse (or justification) was she really needed quick large sum of money to take care of her kids. Other than that, she's a very honest mom caring for her kids.

      Given the way the economy is in, I see more people entering the MMO niche when they haven't made a single dime yet. The excuse? They need extra spending money to survive and support their family. Is that a really bad thing? I see these all the time, but sometimes I have to look on the other side and see they're coming from, without judging them first.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew23
    Rich and dishonest any day. Plenty of people have got rich off of sites that are quite illegal (Movie download sites, torrent sites, etc). It's just how it is, and it will never change.

    I plan on being an honest, hardworking IMer for a while. I want to leave a very positive impact on the internet and make good money doing it. The money does come first for me though.

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  • Hi Googlewarrior,

    a thought provoking question

    I suppose you can look at this from two angles personal values and business values - but both should really be mirror images shouldn't they.

    I think the rich/dishonest marketer is a short lived thing - people are not silly and a business based on dishonesty is bound to crash isn't it.

    I know which one I would rather be, because a poor/honest marketer can become rich but the other can't last.

    Cheers.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Michael Field-Dodgson View Post

      Hi Googlewarrior,

      a thought provoking question

      I suppose you can look at this from two angles personal values and business values - but both should really be mirror images shouldn't they.

      I think the rich/dishonest marketer is a short lived thing - people are not silly and a business based on dishonesty is bound to crash isn't it.

      I know which one I would rather be, because a poor/honest marketer can become rich but the other can't last.

      Cheers.
      It cant be any other way... once people find out that you want to scam them, you are history.. why not just make a living passionately sharing HONESTY? People buy honesty and sincerity. In the long run that cant be faked.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Originally Posted by GoogleWarrior View Post

    Would you rather be a poor honest IM or a rich dishonest IM?

    What do you think about the question that my buddy emailed to me...
    You should have just replied "I'm too busy helping people succeed to worry about silly questions like this."
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  • Profile picture of the author Jim Cockrum
    The premise of the question reveals a poverty mentality.
    The only good answer is a refusal to accept the premise.

    For example, how would you answer this question:

    Would you rather be accused of beating your kids and NOT be child abuser, or would you rather be a child abuser that gets away with it?
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    • Profile picture of the author kimberly Aita
      Originally Posted by Jim Cockrum View Post

      The premise of the question reveals a poverty mentality.
      The only good answer is a refusal to accept the premise.

      For example, how would you answer this question:

      Would you rather be accused of beating your kids and NOT be child abuser, or would you rather be a child abuser that gets away with it?
      I should probably not comment here but I walked away and couldn't resist...
      I don't think this is really anywhere near the same question as any young and stupid mom may beat their kids not realizing it's child abuse and any real child abuser will always want to get away with it if they are doing it knowingly.

      Sorry, deep deep subject and I'll probably get some comments about taking this to seriously but I don't think it's the same at all
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    I remember I was taking a trip on a plane and I picked up the wall street journal out of the planes seat. The article was about a few business men. One of them was worth the upper 9 figures and he said, " I am not trying to save the world". Your friend needs to ask himself what he can live with. People get rich all kinds of ways and the reason they do is because they can stomach the outcome.

    At one time it was said that Donald Trump was one of the least charitable men out of the rich.
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    Another thing that comes to mind is...

    What about the whole concept of PLR? There are tons of marketers who buy ready-made PLR content and then slap their own name/pic on a Resell Rights product...along with 200+ others.

    Many make some money off of that, but it may be dishonest since they didn't write the content themselves nor create the product, but are still claiming ownership. To consumers, people think you're the creator.

    However, those marketers could still be consider honest as they're providing great information, despite outsourcing the content creation, and claiming themselves as the author right?

    Or, let's say a young guy who's making great money in the "mature dating" niche - he has an autoblog on this topic. Could he still he honest as long as he provide great information for mature folks to sign up for a dating site, even though it's really a young guy running a "mature dating" site?

    Do you think those who hire freelance ghost writers, using PLR or RR products, buying PLR niche blogs (even if they're clueless on the topic) and claiming ownership an honest IMer to the consumers?

    How about a "borderline" honesty? There are marketers who sell you a $1, $4.95, or even free product. Most have you believe, they're really selling a $4.95 product. But then ask you later about upgrading or not disclosing that it's really a $67/monthly membership? It's $1 for 7 days only...type of marketing. Honest or not? I have had hidden charges on my account because of this in the past.

    Ok, just my rambling and thoughts...
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I think it's turned into more of a "creative wordplay game" at this point.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    What a silly question... Do you honestly think that the Dis-honest Rich IMer is going to tell you the truth? ROFLMAO
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    Integrity at all costs (that is the goal).
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  • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
    It is such a pity that Dishonesty is even an option; Personally I like being able to show my face and my name to the things that I do, and the more credibility I can accumulate I think the better chance I have of being Rich.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    Ultimately, the question is flawed... As has been pointed out. But the other thing you need to look at, is that IM is just a vehicle. You will be poor or rich in most cases based on you. And you will also be honest or dishonest based on you. Whether you are an IM'er or a plumber or anything else...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike129
    This would be a choice of how you become. What is your decision might be that's what your are!
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  • Originally Posted by GoogleWarrior View Post

    Would you rather be a poor honest IM or a rich dishonest IM?

    What do you think about the question that my buddy emailed to me...
    Send him a copy of "Rich Dad, Poor Dad", then ask him what he thinks of the question after he has read it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vogin
      There are dishonest rich IMers? Poor them... Anyway, wealth doesn't equal dishonesty, wealth equals standing out of the crowd.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kathryn Mc
        God...as much as I want to disagree with the flawed premise of the question, I will play the game and choose: I choose honest, but poor.

        However, one point I'd like to make is that in my opinion, material success and morality are TOTALLY independent variables.

        You can be a morally bankrupt scumbag and make plenty of money throughout your life, and have it never catch up with you, at least not from a money/legal standpoint. The naivete of people who think that eventually, a sleazebag's efforts will implode and they'll get their just reward really bugs me. That does happen of course, especially if the scumbag is an idiot, but if a person is smart enough to beat the system, they very well may.

        Conversely, you can be a paragon of integrity in all your dealings, generous to a fault, a fully self-realized avatar of the divine buddha nature, and still become materially wealthy (as opposed to becoming just another sucker.)

        Whichever mode you choose, I think your level of material success depends on how well you leverage your assets, not on how "good" (or "bad") of a person you are.

        So I personally ask myself: who do I want to be in the world? And act accordingly. I DON'T make moral choices based on an expectation that my being good will bring some sort of reward. (If I did, it would kinda cease to be a moral choice at that point.)

        Not like anyone asked for my long, preachy opinion, ha ha!! Well, I guess you did cuz you asked me to choose...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ruhi Acharya
    poverty and richness have got nothing to do with honesty and dishonesty they are two different subject matters its always your own perception of it

    the only similarity is that being rich poor honest or dishonest is your own personal choice there is no other similarity between them
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOFocused
    not all the honest people are poor. you can be honest and rich at the same time.
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    Yes, the question is really flawed since no one consider themselves to be "dishonest"

    If you value yourself, you do not want any stigma associated with you at all. You do not want think of yourself as subhuman. Even the most evil person like Hitler consider himself honest and nice from a first person perspective with good intentions, but was consider rutheless and evil to outsiders (third person perspective) with horrible tragedies. No human tries to be dishonest intentionally.

    People are only perceived to be dishonest from an outsider perspective....and no matter what, 99% of people will always want think of themselves as honest if they value themselves. Being rich come from the inside, not outside. Even if you ask, "Would you rather have no arms and be honest or the richest person in the world but perceived as dishonest to the world?" The majority will pick the former since materials things are temporary, but the ego (or self-identity) is permanent.

    It's like for marketers to say, "I admit it! I will be HONEST and say that I'm a rich dishonest marketer. As long as I'm honest with you that I'm dishonest, right?"

    See the flaw in that?

    Ok, that was just another pseudo-philosophical rambling from me...
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  • Profile picture of the author tht222
    In all honesty, I would rather win the lottary and spend all my time on what I love doing rather than spending 90% of my time on what makes me the most money....
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  • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
    Originally Posted by GoogleWarrior View Post

    Would you rather be a poor honest IM or a rich dishonest IM?

    What do you think about the question that my buddy emailed to me...
    What do I think? I think you need new buddies and you have too much free time on your hands. Go do something honest to make some money.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    You have to be dishonest to be wealthy? I don't think so.
    Is everyone who is honest ... poor? Doubt it.

    Do you have to have a ton of money to be rich? Nope. Plenty of people have very rich lives without all the trappings of tons of money.
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