10 refund requests in 1 shot.. is she serious?

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I just got this on my support desk..

tell me if this lady is serious!!




I don't mind giving 1 or 2 refunds to serial refunders but 10!!!??

geeeeeZZZZ give me a break!!
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    I know we can't EXPECT this from buyers, but if they are going to do something like THAT....they really should give some feedback regarding what could be done to make the product/service better. Saying she is "unimpressed" is a bit vague...sigh

    P.s. The cost of some of these aren't very high at all. $3.90 for a video series?

    How long after purchase were these requests made? My 1 and only refund request came roughly 8 minutes after purchase...lol (and, the person, of course, downloaded all 10+ files...) ...I wish there was some protection for us sellers....
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  • Profile picture of the author Trapped
    From what I can see all products are labeled as "newbie guide" so perhaps she is not a newbie but however purchased them...this is not something normal...perhaps she should have refrained her self in time from her shopping spree

    To me, this looks like a scam, she just wanted all the material without spending a dime, and the only way for her would be to buy the products and then request refunds, even tho it looks like she had 20 days to read them all..
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Here's a thought. Maybe the products really ARE crap.

      Certainly possible. And if they were, I'd return every single last one of them
      too.

      The only difference is, I would give some damn good feedback on why
      they're crap so maybe the product creator would either fix them or pull
      them off the market before he goes broke from all the refunds.

      Believe it or not...there is a lot of junk out there.

      I know...I've seen it.
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      • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Here's a thought. Maybe the products really ARE crap.


        Certainly possible. And if they were, I'd return every single last one of them
        too.
        I'm surprised to see this mentioned. Also surprised you're not getting flamed to hell for suggesting that a Warrior's products might be crap.


        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        The only difference is, I would give some damn good feedback on why
        they're crap so maybe the product creator would either fix them or pull
        them off the market before he goes broke from all the refunds.
        I might or I might not give feedback. But I don't feel any moral obligation to provide any feedback. I don't feel I should have to act as a product consultant in return for them honoring their refund policy.

        Also, I think the lady has got to be pretty upset that it's taken a week to get a reply from the OP in response to her initial refund request.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
          Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

          I'm surprised to see this mentioned. Also surprised you're not getting flamed to hell for suggesting that a Warrior's products might be crap.
          He said maybe they are, he didn't suggest that they are. Besides, I'm sure there are plenty of Warriors whose products are crap. And, if as stated in a post above, all of these products are all just old PLR/MRR stuff, then they just might BE crap.

          It's all speculation and opinion, after all. Speculation that the products are crap is just as valid as speculation that the purchaser had less than honorable reasons for asking for the refund. But since we're all online marketers here, perhaps the general POV is that we're always right and the customer is wrong.

          Maybe Steven should get some thanks rather than flames.
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          • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
            Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

            Originally Posted by mojojuju

            I'm surprised to see this mentioned. Also surprised you're not getting flamed to hell for suggesting that a Warrior's products might be crap.
            He said maybe they are, he didn't suggest that they are.

            Yes, that's essentially what I said above.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
        Thats a bit Harsh ,,, yes it is possible that that could be the reason but surely if someone is selling something you do not buy all 10 of the prodcuts sold by the distributor. You buy one if its good buy more not buy everything and ask for a refund on all of them.

        There are 10 different paypal transaction numbers there is something to this other than quality of the product.

        EDIT: sorry wrote this before reading all the comments if this available for next to nothing somewhere else and is old PLR products thats another story.

        But i guess Iam also just speculating


        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Here's a thought. Maybe the products really ARE crap.

        Certainly possible. And if they were, I'd return every single last one of them
        too.

        The only difference is, I would give some damn good feedback on why
        they're crap so maybe the product creator would either fix them or pull
        them off the market before he goes broke from all the refunds.

        Believe it or not...there is a lot of junk out there.

        I know...I've seen it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
          Originally Posted by Cathy Shelver View Post

          Thats a bit Harsh ,,, yes it is possible that that could be the reason but surely if someone is selling something you do not buy all 10 of the prodcuts sold by the distributor. You buy one if its good buy more not buy everything and ask for a refund on all of them.

          There are 10 different paypal transaction numbers there is something to this other than quality of the product.

          EDIT: sorry wrote this before reading all the comments if this available for next to nothing somewhere else and is old PLR products thats another story.

          But i guess Iam also just speculating
          And the limited-time sale under which the customer purchased the products ended on July 31, so clearly she was in the very last hours of being able to buy these products at the advertised price:

          Chino's Birthday Sale!

          So I think it isn't unreasonable that a person who was pressured by a looming purchase deadline just hours away would buy everything up at the limited-time price, then evaluate the products, and subsequently ask for a refund.
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          • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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            Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

            It's not "digital theft" if you have a no-questions-asked-money-back guarantee.

            Don't offer such guarantees if you cannot handle serial refunders. Or offer a "reasonable/conditional" money back guarantee. It's your product, your sales pitch, your choice of payment processor, etc...
            It absolutely is theft if your intention is to use a refund policy to get stuff for free. If you go into a transaction knowing you are going to request a refund so you can get it free, you are a thief, and you have committed a crime.

            Will you ever get busted for it? Doubtful, because it is so difficult to prove. But that doesn't make it any less a crime.
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            • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
              Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

              It absolutely is theft if your intention is to use a refund policy to get stuff for free. If you go into a transaction knowing you are going to request a refund so you can get it free, you are a thief, and you have committed a crime.

              Will you ever get busted for it? Doubtful, because it is so difficult to prove. But that doesn't make it any less a crime.
              Earlier on in this thread, it was mentioned that there was a massive sale, of sorts, that was set to expire. If this was the case, then it makes sense that she took advantage of the sale, and got all the products while she could.
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              • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
                For goodness sake.

                Guarantee offered. Guarantee applied for. Guarantee granted.

                This ain't the X-bloody-files!

                Don't *offer* a refund...then complain when a small percentage *ask* for one.

                I'm not addressing the OP here, by the way.

                10 requests in one go?

                That would make me suspicious, but you must stand behind your offer, accept that some folks want your stuff for free...and understand your guarantee offers an easy escape route.

                Your guarantee actually helps honest folks overcome one of their biggest objections: "What if this is full of crap?"

                ...and that alone makes it worthwhile.

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      • Profile picture of the author Pete Egeler
        Steven,

        Have you ever READ any of Stuart's materials, or are you just shooting from the hip without ever seeing or reading any of his products?

        I'm betting you've never read any, so perhaps you might consider keeping you "Thoughts" to yourself before planting seeds of doubt about someone's products.

        Pete

        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Here's a thought. Maybe the products really ARE crap.

        Certainly possible. And if they were, I'd return every single last one of them
        too.

        The only difference is, I would give some damn good feedback on why
        they're crap so maybe the product creator would either fix them or pull
        them off the market before he goes broke from all the refunds.

        Believe it or not...there is a lot of junk out there.

        I know...I've seen it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
          Originally Posted by Pete Egeler View Post

          Steven,

          Have you ever READ any of Stuart's materials, or are you just shooting from the hip without ever seeing or reading any of his products?

          I'm betting you've never read any, so perhaps you might consider keeping you "Thoughts" to yourself before planting seeds of doubt about someone's products.

          Pete
          Well, I've seen at least one of the products that the woman purchased, and in my opinion it IS crap. But yeah, let's silence all unpopular opinions. Then everyone can be in complete agreement on all subjects and everyone who is still left behind here can hold hands and share an ice cream sundae.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Pete Egeler View Post

          Steven,

          Have you ever READ any of Stuart's materials, or are you just shooting from the hip without ever seeing or reading any of his products?

          I'm betting you've never read any, so perhaps you might consider keeping you "Thoughts" to yourself before planting seeds of doubt about someone's products.

          Pete

          I was speaking in general. It could be his products or anybody's products.

          Last time I checked, none of us walk on water.

          So yes, MAYBE the products are crap and MAYBE that's why she
          returned them.

          The operative word here is MAYBE.

          And MAYBE she's just a serial refunder.

          Please read my followup post.

          ALL of this is NOTHING but speculation and TOTALLY meaningless.

          Nobody here will EVER know what actually went down other than the
          customer made a purchase of 10 items and refunded them all.

          Other than that, none of us know ANYTHING.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Here's a thought. Maybe the products really ARE crap.

        Certainly possible. And if they were, I'd return every single last one of them
        too.

        The only difference is, I would give some damn good feedback on why
        they're crap so maybe the product creator would either fix them or pull
        them off the market before he goes broke from all the refunds.

        Believe it or not...there is a lot of junk out there.

        I know...I've seen it.
        I seriously doubt it. I've seen some of Stu's work. Don't go dispensing aspersions.

        I've had these kind of scumbag serial refunders too. Are you saying my products are crap?
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
          Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

          I seriously doubt it. I've seen some of Stu's work. Don't go dispensing aspersions.
          Are you familiar with the products on the list that the woman purchased?

          Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

          I've had these kind of scumbag serial refunders too.
          How is she a serial refunder?
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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
            Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

            Are you familiar with the products on the list that the woman purchased?
            The Newbie Toolkits at the bottom of the list. Those were created by me and I have yet to hear anything but praise on those. I sold Stu the RR a year or so ago (Note: those are pretty evergreen, so will be good for years yet)


            How is she a serial refunder?
            10 at a go? I think that says it all. She'd get an automatic IP block from me.
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
              Kevin, much respect...

              Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

              The Newbie Toolkits at the bottom of the list. Those were created by me and I have yet to hear anything but praise on those. I sold Stu the RR a year or so ago (Note: those are pretty evergreen, so will be good for years yet)
              Ok, thanks for helping fill in the blanks. There's at least one product on her list that, IMO, isn't worth even a couple of bucks. Maybe my standards are too high, but to me its crap.

              Are they all crap? Maybe to someone, but I only know about one, so I can only comment on the one I'm familiar with.

              Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

              10 at a go? I think that says it all. She'd get an automatic IP block from me.
              Well, I don't see how I can categorize someone who buys 10 products at once, under the gun, just hours before the purchase deadline and then after reasonable time given to evaluate the products asks for a refund (when apparently a refund is guaranteed by the seller) as a "serial refunder". One refund request doesn't make a series, at least not in my book.

              That's just my opinion.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

          I seriously doubt it. I've seen some of Stu's work. Don't go dispensing aspersions.

          I've had these kind of scumbag serial refunders too. Are you saying my products are crap?
          I'm not saying anybody's products are crap. I'm saying we don't know
          what happened other than a customer bought 10 products and returned
          them all.

          They could be good or bad and she could be a serial refunder or an
          honest customer.

          It's all just speculation and totally meaningless.

          Let me put it this way.

          I wouldn't bet my life on this transaction in either direction because
          nobody knows for certain.

          At least the last time I looked, none of us are all knowing supreme
          beings.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Here's the only thing I will say about this transaction and it's only my
            opinion.

            Unless I know the person who created the products PERSONALLY, there is
            no way in hell I'm buying 10 products at one shot from ANYBODY. I'll buy
            one, see how I like it and THEN if I do, I'll consider buying others from this
            person.

            The customer, IMO, did NOT exercise good buying judgment. But to
            categorically state that she is beyond ANY doubt a serial refunder is as
            irresponsible as categorically stating that the products must have been
            crap.

            Again, I said MAYBE...and that MAYBE applies to both ends of this
            transaction.

            Nobody here knows for sure what went down. Unless of course you
            can read this customer's mind.

            If that's the case, I'm hiring you for my next product launch.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe Giannetti
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Here's a thought. Maybe the products really ARE crap.

        Certainly possible. And if they were, I'd return every single last one of them
        too.

        The only difference is, I would give some damn good feedback on why
        they're crap so maybe the product creator would either fix them or pull
        them off the market before he goes broke from all the refunds.

        Believe it or not...there is a lot of junk out there.

        I know...I've seen it.
        1 or 2...but 10?????

        I doubt it probably a scam artist.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stuart Stirling
      Originally Posted by Trapped View Post

      perhaps she should have refrained her self in time from her shopping spree
      Exactly what I thought.

      ...I've sold thousands of copies collectively of these exact products up till now and the refund rate is VERY low!

      I've never had or seen this type customer/refunder ever before. definitely not normal.
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      • Profile picture of the author Manie Amari
        Originally Posted by Stuart Stirling View Post

        Exactly what I thought.

        ...I've sold thousands of copies collectively of these exact products up till now and the refund rate is VERY low!

        I've never had or seen this type customer/refunder ever before. definitely not normal.
        I think someone is trying to steal your product idea Stuart!

        Here is a thought if you do have other products in future that hold alot more value and are medium ticket; why not host them behind a members area?

        This could deter the casual thief, who wants to buy now; 2minutes later cancel for a refund....

        Kindest


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        • Profile picture of the author Lance K
          From the limited perspective I've got from this thread I'd say it sounds like a dissatisfied customer rather than a serial refunder. If you really think it's a serial refunder, why not add her IP address to a banned list on all your sites?

          Anyway, you can't please everyone.

          Focus on your satisfied customers. Make them additional high value offers that will maximize their value to you long term.

          Also...

          Originally Posted by Stuart Stirling View Post

          ...I've sold thousands of copies collectively of these exact products up till now and the refund rate is VERY low!
          The wording of your guarantee has no doubt contributed greatly toward generating that level of sales. If you hadn't made the guarantee to where this person could legitimately ask for these refunds, your overall sales figures would no doubt be much less. Which way would you rather have it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Warren.Richards
    Gosh!!

    IS this seriously happening....seems the lady is a fraud and she just wants to keep all the product and still wants the refund.

    Buying 10 products and then refunding them altogether sounds fishy.

    Just keep the Paypal address and number in record and make sure not to make sale to that particular Paypal id number again in the future.

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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    The product can be very good but there are always people like that who think that as soon as they buy something, money will come to them with no effort.

    I had people buy from me and after one day, ask for a refund. Was the product CRAP like Steven says? No, it was just that the person had to do work to succeed.

    I think this happens in every niche online. I have sold products in other niches and this happens all the time so it is not something new.

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Good Grief. lol. That one needs some sort of prize.
    If you use a program like DLGuard where you can ban customers from ever purchasing from you again, she's a good candidate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
    Maybe just process her refunds then shoot her an email asking why she was disappointed. Also, if you don't want people to refund, don't put things like "60 day money back guarantee NO QUESTIONS ASKED" or something similar.
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  • Profile picture of the author activetrader
    Originally Posted by Stuart Stirling View Post

    I just got this on my support desk..

    I don't mind giving 1 or 2 refunds to serial refunders but 10!!!??

    geeeeeZZZZ give me a break!!
    You know what it looks like to me... a crazy compulsive buyer... seriously... she's out of her mind.... what a shopping spree this lady went onto...

    Looks like she was just buying everything compulsively and then either had a buyer's remorse or she is just a fraud.

    I've dealt with one person like this who bought two of my products through CB, refunded one, then several days after her refund she sends this nastiest email to CB 'look what you've done; you charged me twice, you said you gave me a refund and you didn't' and a whole lot of exclamation marks... didn't even realize it was two different products but then eventually got a refund for the second one...

    These people are nuts and belong in the psycho ward.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by activetrader View Post

      You know what it looks like to me... a crazy compulsive buyer... seriously... she's out of her mind.... what a shopping spree this lady went onto...

      Looks like she was just buying everything compulsively and then either had a buyer's remorse or she is just a fraud.

      I've dealt with one person like this who bought two of my products through CB, refunded one, then several days after her refund she sends this nastiest email to CB 'look what you've done; you charged me twice, you said you gave me a refund and you didn't' and a whole lot of exclamation marks... didn't even realize it was two different products but then eventually got a refund for the second one...

      These people are nuts and belong in the psycho ward.
      ...but, it was a shopping spree in the sense of buying a large quantity of things. From a price standpoint, all the items, added together, would probably fall short of a single product at a $97 price tag...so, clearly, she wanted ALOT of things, for very cheap....

      This is why I'm a huge fan of pricing a product what you believe it is worth. Don't fall into the WSO mentality and price everything at $5. From the names of the products alone, they 'look' like they should be worth more....so....go out and forum relationships and acquire reviews and testimonials, and get a killer sales copy, that will substantiate the price that your product is really WORTH....

      I'd have to go out and look for the statistic, but I've heard that people who purchase at low price points are usually more inclined to ask for a refund in the first place. In this case, price in itself 'could' create a bit of a barrier from this occuring. When people purchase something at a higher price point, I believe, they tend to have more of an affinity and connection with it....and, more inclined to act on what they read and learn, and REALLY try to get the most out of a product before they call it quits.

      I do see a $40+ sale in there, so, yeah, this could be just a serial refunder...
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      • Profile picture of the author activetrader
        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post


        I do see a $40+ sale in there, so, yeah, this could be just a serial refunder...
        It could very well be a serial refunder and you know why... when most people buy something, they first buy one thing and if they like what they got later on they buy another, and if they still like it they will buy more and more...

        Buying multiple items without knowing the quality of the merchant's products means one of two things - she intended to ask for a refund in the first place or she is just crazy.
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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          Originally Posted by activetrader View Post

          It could very well be a serial refunder and you know why... when most people buy something, they first buy one thing and if they like what they got later on they buy another, and if they still like it they will buy more and more...

          Buying multiple items without knowing the quality of the merchant's products means one of two things - she intended to ask for a refund in the first place or she is just crazy.
          This buyer is a serious pain. Do NORMAL people really go and buy a batch of 10 products? or...wouldn't NORMAL people buy one product, see how it fairs out, and base future purchases on their experience with that purchase?

          Again....that's something else a higher price point could have helped defray....of course, in this case, she probably just would have asked for a refund had one of the products been at a $97 price point....sigh....you can't win with some customers...
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          I had an email from a lady who was furious, she'd paid for my product then didn't receive it. I looked on Paypal but couldn't find her. I shot her an email to ask for her Paypal ID. She sent this straight back with more abuse. I then went to paypal as I couldn't find the ID. They said it was a fake paypal ID and she was having me on. I wrote back to say I think somethings amiss and the ID's wrong. She said it wasn't and she was going to have me banned from Paypal for thieving her money. I told her it was Paypal that told me the ID was wrong......hey presto, no more email from her. Amazing what some people do to get stuff for free.
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  • Profile picture of the author GR Marketing
    More than likely she just took advantage of your guarantee and committed digital theft...
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Originally Posted by GR Marketing View Post

      More than likely she just took advantage of your guarantee and committed digital theft...
      It's not "digital theft" if you have a no-questions-asked-money-back guarantee.

      Don't offer such guarantees if you cannot handle serial refunders. Or offer a "reasonable/conditional" money back guarantee. It's your product, your sales pitch, your choice of payment processor, etc...

      Now this I would call theft:

      I had an email from a lady who was furious, she'd paid for my product then didn't receive it. I looked on Paypal but couldn't find her. I shot her an email to ask for her Paypal ID. She sent this straight back with more abuse. I then went to paypal as I couldn't find the ID. They said it was a fake paypal ID and she was having me on. I wrote back to say I think somethings amiss and the ID's wrong. She said it wasn't and she was going to have me banned from Paypal for thieving her money. I told her it was Paypal that told me the ID was wrong......hey presto, no more email from her. Amazing what some people do to get stuff for free.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by GR Marketing View Post

      More than likely she just took advantage of your guarantee and committed digital theft...
      That's possible but she did give a reason. She said that she has deleted all the products and is very disappointed in them and will not buy any more of his products.

      If that's the case, she should ask for a refund if there is a guarantee. Unfortunately, you'll never really know what her motives are, whether she is a serial refunder or was just genuinely unhappy with all 10 products. To me it's odd that she bought all 10 products to start with. Maybe she's looking for some free bonuses or something to give away to her list.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        That's possible but she did give a reason. She said that she has deleted all the products and is very disappointed in them and will not buy any more of his products.

        If that's the case, she should ask for a refund if there is a guarantee.
        This. Being disappointed in a product (or products) is a VERY valid reason to ask for a refund. Sometimes sellers don't like to hear or believe that their products are disappointing to some. I think refund requests offer a good opportunity to re-examine the products themselves.
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        • Profile picture of the author joshril
          Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

          This. Being disappointed in a product (or products) is a VERY valid reason to ask for a refund. Sometimes sellers don't like to hear or believe that their products are disappointing to some. I think refund requests offer a good opportunity to re-examine the products themselves.
          I agree... Is there anyway to know if this is legitimate? Nope... But if the refund request was made during the refund period and falls within the guarantee you offer, you should just refund her and move on.

          This is just part of doing business.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarafina
    You need to honour the refund requests that you offer. Is somebody going to take advantage of it once in awhile? Yes however this should be rare if your products are actually good.

    I would put something in place to ban her from buying further products from you as she clearly states in her message "I'm unlikely to make any further purchases of the products you promote".

    Sorry but if you bought 10 products from somebody and refunded all 10 saying they were garbage - there is no way in hell you'd buy from that person again. She is looking to get something for nothing. Refund her and ban her if you can.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    I just had someone request refunds on 11 sites I sold her seven months ago because they didn't make her any money and she had no idea how to market them. We're talking like $5k worth. It just landed on my help desk yesterday morning. Makes me wonder if it's the same person!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      I just had someone request refunds on 11 sites I sold her seven months ago because they didn't make her any money and she had no idea how to market them. We're talking like $5k worth. It just landed on my help desk yesterday morning. Makes me wonder if it's the same person!
      Well, thankfully thats past the PayPal return policy and hopefully past your own return policy........
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    Very, very sad that product sellers immediately assume that the buyer is faulty and not their product.
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

      Very, very sad that product sellers immediately assume that the buyer is faulty and not their product.
      It's kind of sad that your first assumption would be that the products were bad. The OP most likely knows what his normal refund rate is and you don't. He could of been selling these same products with no problem for months and therefore know that this was a serial refunder.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        It's kind of sad that your first assumption would be that the products were bad.
        I didn't make that assumption. Where did I say that?
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        • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
          Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

          I didn't make that assumption. Where did I say that?
          Ah...didn't realize you weren't making any innuendos whatsoever with your statement. It was just something on your heart that you wanted to share is all. My bad then.
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      • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        It's kind of sad that your first assumption would be that the products were bad. The OP most likely knows what his normal refund rate is and you don't. He could of been selling these same products with no problem for months and therefore know that this was a serial refunder.
        For what it's worth... I bought a couple of the above products, and they're great. Those turnkey sites are among the best deals I've gotten in a while.

        One thought I had though... With those series of additional offers, she might have gotten carried away, and without checking out the merchandise in the meantime... Maybe the OTOs backfired...
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    • Profile picture of the author John Hocking
      There will always be people that try to game the system.

      If you use something like dlguard you can ban them from buying other products.

      Another way to cut down on this is to deliver your product or bonus slowing over a time period.

      The serial refunders like to get in, get the stuff and get the refund before the charges even settle on there account. If you slow them down, you will find they are less likely to bother you in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    Stuart,

    You know - You'd think, you would just buy one product, and then refund on it and never buy another from the same vendor. Chances are, this person loved all of your products, which is why they kept on buying, but something has made them upset, so they've decided to refund on them all, to show you how angry they are. I admit, it's really strange though, to see them buy a bunch of products, then refund on them all.

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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

      Stuart,

      You know - You'd think, you would just buy one product, and then refund on it and never buy another from the same vendor. Chances are, this person loved all of your products, which is why they kept on buying, but something has made them upset, so they've decided to refund on them all, to show you how angry they are. I admit, it's really strange though, to see them buy a bunch of products, then refund on them all.

      Caleb
      Wouldn't 'most' people purchase one product, try it, gauge it's effectiveness, and then base future purchases (from the same seller) on that experience?

      I haven't seen the products, but, if their names are any indicator, it SOUNDS like they hold a value that should be sold at a bit higher price point.

      The 4 hour workweek speaks about, although you would technically loose business in the short run, weeding out those customers who wind up being such a headache...such a drain on resources and energy....that it becomes in your own best interest to NOT have them as customers. I would not want that lady as a customer....more headache than it is worth.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        This is the time when you wish you could disable the purchases remotely.

        Looks like a newbie who bought everything impulsively - and now has found something she wants to buy so needs her money back so she can recycle it and buy something else.

        What a pain.

        Was the original request for a refund ignored? Was it also for all of the products?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
      Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

      Chances are, this person loved all of your products, which is why they kept on buying
      Weren't they all purchased on the same day?
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      • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
        Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

        Weren't they all purchased on the same day?
        Wouldn't you use one product, before going on a shopping spree for the rest?
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
          Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

          Wouldn't you use one product, before going on a shopping spree for the rest?
          Judging from the URL, they were on a "birthday" sale. Aren't sales designed to get people to purchase more than one product?
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
          Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

          Wouldn't you use one product, before going on a shopping spree for the rest?
          How I would act as a purchaser isn't actually relevant. What ANY of us "would do" as a purchaser is irrelevant. We're not our customers. What we DO know for certain is how this particular customer DID act.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    If she bought them all within a short period of time (same day), it's a classic case of a serial refunder with a plan from the start to steal your stuff. Obviously, you should not sell crap or sell under false pretenses with a sales letter that promises what will not be delivered. We all know that. Those who have responded to you suggesting your stuff is crap probably mean well, but we all already know that. I think this kind of refunding comes down 99.9% of the time to either someone with a plan to steal all along, or overhyped sales pages that make grandiose claims that are not even close to being realized in the products.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      If she bought them all within a short period of time (same day), it's a classic case of a serial refunder with a plan from the start to steal your stuff.
      In this case, I disagree.

      Checking out the URL, it was a sale that ended on the day of those purchases. So, it appears as though the buyer came across the products on the last day of the sale, thought it was a good deal, and bought several products to take advantage of the sale.

      Reviewing the original post, it appears that eleven days later, which is plenty of time to have actually reviewed the products, the buyer requested a refund. Then, not receiving a response apparently, the buyer resubmitted the refund request today.

      Most serial refunders aren't going to wait this long to get their money back. And, they likely would have done a chargeback by now, especially after not receiving a response to the first refund request.

      By the looks of it, in my opinion, this is a person that was genuinely disappointed in the products and wants a refund.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        In this case, I disagree.

        Most serial refunders aren't going to wait this long to get their money back. And, they likely would have done a chargeback by now, especially after not receiving a response to the first refund request.

        By the looks of it, in my opinion, this is a person that was genuinely disappointed in the products and wants a refund.
        The "digital thieves" that try to steal my sites normally request a refund or file a Paypal dispute within seconds of downloading the product.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Look, here is the reality. We have absolutely no idea why these products
          were all refunded. I suggested that maybe they were crap, but that does
          not mean they are.

          The person could be a "buy and refund" buyer.

          The person could have genuinely been disappointed with the purchase.

          Nobody here will ever know for sure and it is doubtful that the buyer is
          going to openly admit to stealing the products.

          That is the reality

          Everything else is just speculation.
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      • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        In this case, I disagree.

        Checking out the URL, it was a sale that ended on the day of those purchases. So, it appears as though the buyer came across the products on the last day of the sale, thought it was a good deal, and bought several products to take advantage of the sale.

        Reviewing the original post, it appears that eleven days later, which is plenty of time to have actually reviewed the products, the buyer requested a refund. Then, not receiving a response apparently, the buyer resubmitted the refund request today.

        Most serial refunders aren't going to wait this long to get their money back. And, they likely would have done a chargeback by now, especially after not receiving a response to the first refund request.

        By the looks of it, in my opinion, this is a person that was genuinely disappointed in the products and wants a refund.
        Yep, I think I agree in retrospect. Sorry... I didn't pay enough attention to the specifics in this case. It does appear this could be one of those rare legit cases of someone buying several products at once with good intentions, reviewing the material, and being unhappy with the material. So much depends on the language we use in our sales pages and what we offer in the way of refund policies.

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  • Profile picture of the author webfighter
    Originally Posted by Stuart Stirling View Post

    I don't mind giving 1 or 2 refunds to serial refunders but 10!!!??

    geeeeeZZZZ give me a break!!
    You shouldn't mind giving the ten refunds either. Especially if you've a no questions asked money back guarantee.

    If you're still holding the lady's money, that's a bad business practice. Even if you would like to know what she didn't like in your products or what you can do to make them better, you should refund her money first before asking for that feedback.

    Also, was the contact form on the page mentioned in the first line of the email broken or something? If no, it was a bad move not to refund or even respond to her earlier.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Technically, a "serial refunder" is someone who buys, then requests a refund, then buys, then requests a refund. Hence the term "serial"... one right after another.

    This buyer bought a bunch of stuff and is requesting one big refund for all of it at once.

    So I wouldn't necessarily call her a serial refunder, but a dissatisfied customer.

    Now if she buys from you again, and then requests another refund then yeah, serial refunder.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    Ah yes...Buyer's Remorse.

    Whether it's one product, or 11, it's part of business. If you head over to the local Walmart and stand in the customer service line, you can witness it in real life. I've seen some crazy stuff being returned by the cart-loads.

    These aren't "customers". They're warm-blooded people that may have experienced a sudden loss or misfortune. Others, regardless of fault, buy into the scarcity and "dream" only to let their mind regret it month's later.

    Refund and move on. You might help ease someone's burden in the process. You'll also build trust in salesmanship. If they ever get to the right stage in their life, they might revisit you as a customer. If they don't, no harm, no foul. I highly doubt these "serial refunders" are using the content anyways.

    In the words of Socrates,

    "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle."
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
    Yes, this lady's serious.... and I doubt she is a "serial refunder".

    For instance, she purchased New Web 2.0 Traffic Secrets for $17.00. This particular product has been circulated around since 2008 and can be found for $0.50 on other sites.

    All of the products on the list you posted are MRR/PLR products which have a certain "reputation"...
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

      Yes, this lady's serious.... and I doubt she is a "serial refunder".

      For instance, she purchased New Web 2.0 Traffic Secrets for $17.00. This particular product has been circulated around since 2008 and can be found for $0.50 on other sites.

      All of the products on the list you posted are MRR/PLR products which have a certain "reputation"...
      In that case, it's also possible it's not the "reputation" that was the problem. Perhaps she just found them for .50 on another site. With master resale rights, she could have followed a link inside one of the products and found she could have gotten them cheaper from the source, and gotten MRR to boot.
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      • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
        Since all one can do is speculate, here's another scenario: This is a lady who is married to a control freak. Her purchase was an attempt to gain some freedom and control over her destiny, but when her over-controlling spouse learned of the purchase, he forced her to ask for the refund. She phrased her refund request the way she did because to admit the real truth would have been too embarrassing.

        Either that, or she was confused, thinking she was buying jewelry from the Home Shopping Channel, and asked for the refund when she realized her error.

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    • Profile picture of the author N4PGW
      Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

      Yes, this lady's serious.... and I doubt she is a "serial refunder".

      For instance, she purchased New Web 2.0 Traffic Secrets for $17.00. This particular product has been circulated around since 2008 and can be found for $0.50 on other sites.

      All of the products on the list you posted are MRR/PLR products which have a certain "reputation"...
      I purchased Google Traffic Pump from one of the warriors here for $27 (I think, it was full price) but there was a system problem on the net. I didn't receive the email with the download link for over 5 days. In the meantime, I Googled and found it for either $3 or $7 so I bought it.

      The next day when I was about to apply for the refund, the email with the link, as well as about 6 days worth of email came pouring in.

      I decided not to refund the full product as it was not the seller's cause, and I didn't refund the cheaper one for the same reason.

      But when I bought a product that says I'll make X in so many days or I'll pay you more than you paid, if it can't live up to the deal, I get a refund!

      One other thing, If I find a product I am interested in and after purchasing it, I find it is useless unless I buy some higher priced product, I may get a refund. What good is a $27 book when you don't have $200/month or $300 for additional software?
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  • Profile picture of the author CPA
    Why the hell would you buy a ton of products and then get a refund for all of them at once? I would never purchase 10 products from someone I don't even know at once. Even if the product sucked, it's her fault for not doing proper research first.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeevee
    I dunno. If you offer a no-quibble refund and its within the validity period then I would say do it. After all the products probably cost you nothing (incrementally) so I would refund and hope she spreads some good words about the great customer service.
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    • Profile picture of the author kitkat73
      It's amazing what people do... it would have been nice to get some feedback on the product or whatever though. How are you supposed to fix the problem (if there is one) or improve on your product. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author VegasGreg
        Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

        Yes, this lady's serious.... and I doubt she is a "serial refunder".

        For instance, she purchased New Web 2.0 Traffic Secrets for $17.00. This particular product has been circulated around since 2008 and can be found for $0.50 on other sites.

        All of the products on the list you posted are MRR/PLR products which have a certain "reputation"...
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        In that case, it's also possible it's not the "reputation" that was the problem. Perhaps she just found them for .50 on another site. With master resale rights, she could have followed a link inside one of the products and found she could have gotten them cheaper from the source, and gotten MRR to boot.
        Originally Posted by Pete Egeler View Post

        Steven,

        Have you ever READ any of Stuart's materials, or are you just shooting from the hip without ever seeing or reading any of his products?

        I'm betting you've never read any, so perhaps you might consider keeping you "Thoughts" to yourself before planting seeds of doubt about someone's products.

        Pete
        I have bought 2 products recently from that site. One was pretty good and useful. One was telling me how to install Wordpress 2.3 from 2008 and change the sidebars pre-widget days.

        If any of the other products are similar to that one, maybe the lady tried to follow along only to find out the material didn't work with today's software.

        I didn't ask for a refund because it was just a small investment. To her, maybe it was a large investment.
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    • Profile picture of the author tgro03
      It looks like maybe someone who wants something for nothing, or at least no work.

      I must say though, that I've recently ordered several products and after looking them over, found they were not what they were promised to be. When that happens I have no compunction whatsoever asking for a refund.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    Sales are what happen when the customer decides to give us their money...

    Profits are what happen when they decide to let us keep it.

    There's often a fragile gossamer between the two.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mangozoom
    This is one of the reasons I do not like having my products up on CB ... because unfortunately there are scavengers out there who take the advantage of their refund policy.

    If you manage the sale of your own products maybe you can revise your own refund policy ... or maybe develope products that do not work once a refund has been issued.

    Either way this person is taking libertys

    I feel cross for you!

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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    We don't really know why she did this, but there is some circumstantial evidence she was sold a load of pony. Only the OP knows the truth.
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    • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
      Originally Posted by Mike_Mainz View Post

      Maybe the products really ARE crap.
      Obviously.

      Anyone operating in the "make a gazillion bucks online!" industry needs to be happy with whatever sales they can get and don't have to refund. This is by far the most shady niche online with very few legitimate content producers.

      For every one person that refunds, just be thankful for the X number of others who didn't refund but should have. There are a few different business models online that rely on this concept (where everyone should refund, but not all will), and "make money online" is one of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author jclz3d
    It sucks, but there's nothing you can do about it. Refund her before she raises hell.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Louis Monk
    The words of the late Jim Rohn ring in my ears when these questions arise for which we might never know the real reason and the way people behave.

    Jim said; " Don't ask why, that's the way it is".
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    I'm amazed at how lively the discussions about refunds tend to get, in here.

    Sure, it sucks, especially that many in one go.

    BUT

    If your sales-page features a iron-clad-100%-guaranteed-no-questions-asked-ever-I'll-give-your-money-back-with-a-smile-on-my-face-and-we'll-still-be-best-mates guarantee, then that's part of the deal, no?

    Of course some people are going to take advantage of it in a bad way. Some people are just dicks.

    If you can't live with the refunds, change or remove your guarantee.
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      Originally Posted by ShaneRQR View Post

      I'm amazed at how lively the discussions about refunds tend to get, in here.


      It gets lively because people take refunds too personally. They take it as a blow to their ego.
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      • Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

        It gets lively because people take refunds too personally. They take it as a blow to their ego.
        It's not about ego, it's about unscrupulous buyers exploiting the system to "steal" your content and, in the process, waste your time and resources. I don't mind refunding people who cannot genuinely use/benefit from my products, but I dislike people who're just pissing around and wasting my time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jacer
    Knowing how most people are, she probably did not even open most of the products. My guess she looked at just one product for 5 minutes, and decided she needed the money back to pay bills or something.

    Refund and block from buying ever again.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    It doesn't matter if the product was the greatest thing ever, if you offer a refund guarantee, then you have to honor it and you shouldn't get upset when someone does refund it. 1 item or 100, it doesn't matter. You put that offer out there with the refund guarantee to get more sales.

    Now if you say "no refunds" from square one and people still ask and even try doing chargebacks, then you have a case.

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  • Profile picture of the author David Louis Monk
    I wish all Warrior members were so honorable with their refunds instead of taking your money and run. Despite the assurance of a 100% guarantee of a refund and emailing me to say a refund was "not a problem", I have been ripped off by $497 and when I asked for a refund after module #2, the remaining 4 modules were not sent so I have been ripped off the more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rock Solid
    Do you have to ability to block this person from future transactions to stop it from happening again? I know with WSO pro you can block... would be nice for you to not have to deal with the hassle.
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  • Profile picture of the author TrafficMystic
    I has a guy yesterday.. ask for a refund as he was dissatisfied with a product he bought..

    But the weird thing was.. I check the cart downloads and he hadnt actually downloaded the product ?

    It was just a refund request 3 minutes after purchase.. How weird is that
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Originally Posted by TrafficMystic View Post

      I has a guy yesterday.. ask for a refund as he was dissatisfied with a product he bought..

      But the weird thing was.. I check the cart downloads and he hadnt actually downloaded the product ?

      It was just a refund request 3 minutes after purchase.. How weird is that

      LOL. I had a lady yesterday put through a PayPal "Item Not Received" dispute. She paid 5 days before. She hadn't received the product .... However, it's a physical product and she lives outside US (my site says to allow up to 14 days delivery to non-US addresses). Obviously, she is used to ordering digital.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Iannotti
    If you have an account manager at paypal you may have some help combating this type of problem, or at least some help
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  • Profile picture of the author Fabian Tan
    I know Stuart, and he puts out quality products. I have a bought a few of his products since 2007 and have always learnt something. So that's not the issue at hand here.

    I had a woman on my list who, for a year, refunded every product she bought from me. Think about it. If someone bought one product and thought it was bad, they may buy another product from the person. If the person buys two products from the same merchant and thinks both products are poor, they are almost certain not to buy another product from the merchant. Let alone another 8 products.

    Unless, of course, the person is just looking to get the products for free and is looking for a convenient excuse each time.

    Either way, no one is going to buy 10 products in a row without first looking through the first 2 or 3 products they bought. You would look through the quality of the first few products you bought first, before buying the rest. If you are a sensible person, that is.

    10 purchases in a row is a buying spree. Once those 10 purchases turn into a one-shot refund, there is something fishy or demented going on.

    That's not speculation; that's just common sense and making a decision, taking an action, based on that.

    Another thing that some people are forgetting is having a few customers who constantly take advantage of your guarantee can be a real threat to your business.

    Get enough refund requests and chargebacks on any merchant account or payment processor and your reputation will take a hit. It is good to keep an eye on these things.

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  • Profile picture of the author N4PGW
    You said your refund rate is very low. I say, if you have a guarantee, honor it and remember her details not to do business with her again. It is no big deal.

    I know it is irritating. And from what I can tell, the more popular you become in IM, the more common this thing will be.

    It looks like she used PayPal, and paypal will not back a digital download unless she knows how to file the refund request. If you do not have a refund policy, you can let it ride. My thoughts are to drop her and move on. Don't let her divert your focus from what is profitable.

    IMHO
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    Could be someone who bought a bunch of things on impulse, then received an unexpected bill in the mail that she couldn't cover, and panicked.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      although it sucks, I would hold your head up high and do the honourable thing: issue the refunds

      she doesn't have the serial refunder MO, imho...

      a serial refunder doesn't take very long to request a refund
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    • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Striker
      Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

      Wouldn't you use one product, before going on a shopping spree for the rest?
      Talking from experience, not necessarily (bad habit) however this has been addressed with the mention of the sale.

      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      The "digital thieves" that try to steal my sites normally request a refund or file a Paypal dispute within seconds of downloading the product.
      That seems typical of someone who set out to do it as opposed to this situation.

      Ok, my thoughts are that I'm surprised this even came up. A guarantee is a guarantee. The obvious thing to do would be refund and ask nicely what she thought was no good about the products. Maybe add some advice with it saying you realise the products were on sale and the sale was closing, but she may be better off trying to stick to one or two products and go through them rather than get a heap together. That alone could be part of the problem.

      Whether she used them correctly, evaluated them properly or not is not at issue. This is a case of getting customer service right which could work to your benefit in the longer term.

      Should she be banned from ever buying again. NO.
      I'm sure some would be surprised from me saying that but think about it. Sure she was unhappy with these products but we have already shown that she does not have the profile of a serial refunder (ignore half the posts on here that didn't read the full thread before they commented), so if she receives good customer service she may buy again. Chances are she wont and that does not matter either. Still she may be in a position to influence someone elsse buying in the future.

      Which comment would you prefer?
      'Don't buy from him, crap products and it's hard to get a refund back'
      or
      'I didn't like the products I got from him but after a bit of problem getting hold of him he refunded as promised and gave me some good advice'

      I suppose it depends on how you want people to speak of you.

      Just my thoughts
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  • Profile picture of the author steve48135
    I dunno, seems like an honest request for a refund. But at the same time it looks a copy and paste refunder? People like to buy something just to see whats in it, either for the hell of it or to use it for them selves by re-writing/coding it. It sucks.
    But if she's asking for a refund in the allowed time frame then just do it and send her to bother the next guy/gal
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  • Profile picture of the author BenSalez
    I do not use clickbank to sell my digital products so I am free to make my own refund policy. I offer a 60 day money back guarantee, however they can only request a refund after 60 days. This prevents people from simply buying, then asking for a refund and keeping my product. Luckily however, I am in a micro micro niche with desperate and friendly buyers who have never requested a refund.
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  • Profile picture of the author zorus
    how the dlguard ban feature works??
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  • Profile picture of the author BizmanJoe
    I'd honor the refund request, but ban her from future purchases. She sounds like a serial buyer with serious buyer's remorse.
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  • Profile picture of the author MightyWarrior
    You COULD take your chances...

    But after the first charge-back you might want to reconsider
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  • Profile picture of the author Thirty3Down
    That is insane!
    People never cease to amaze me.

    Way to have a sense of humor about it
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  • Profile picture of the author tjonesga
    I am new so shoot me. But, if you advertise a product with 100% satisfaction or money back, then suck it up if someone takes you up on it. Here's what I mean, we marketers are hitting newbies with everything from a crap report to crap content that cost $2k. OR Really shocking off the press Great content with the promise that moocho money is going to be made, life changing events in your future. I am not saying your stuff is crap nor gold. All i am saying is that we should either have or set limits on our products and be satisfied within the limits we set. Maybe we should just use trial versions of everything and only allow parts of the offers out until the customer is a loyal buyer. But, a newbie can not be blamed for not knowing what products to purchase when ALL of them will make them rich beyond belief. At this point I really wish I had ten products for customers to return, even that would be a blessing. It's all about attitude. The customer is not always right, but they are always the customer, without them you fail. I also agree iwth the post that said to ask why prior to refunding, that way you learn new stuff.
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