Loopholes to outright theft

by fthomas137

Posted: 14 years ago 22 replies

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You all will really like this one. Especially if you offer out products as WSO's. There is an individual who has found a loophole in the law. This person has put up several websites with the canadian web hosting agent, iweb and is sharing YOUR wso that they've not only stolen from you but are making money on it with their web sites.

I've currently found over a dozen of these sites with just about every WSO that is posted on this site.

So, what's the loophole? Canada doesn't have an equivalent of the digital laws for copyright protection that are in the US.

I just got off the phone with iweb and the only thing that will bring down the websites in question is a court order. And as you can guess, it could cost $$$$ to get the court order.

So folks how do we combat this problem? Right now all of your hard work is profiting someone else and they are getting away with it!

Frank

#loopholes #outright #theft

niffybranco 14 years ago

My advice would be not to waste time worrying about thieves and concentrate on the honest folks who are willing to recognize the work you have put in and pay for your services.

Unfortunately there have always been people who are ready to steal from honest hard working people. Even the big boys get their books , software , music and films pirated and sold , just make sure your products are top notch and you might eventually get the end readers to become your full time customers.
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sbucciarel Banned 14 years ago

You can't do anything about it. If it isn't a US site with a reputable host, you're wasting your time. Take down the ones you can (US hosts) and ignore the rest. All you can do.
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Zeus66 14 years ago

I don't blame you for bringing this up, but the mere fact that you did just gave a lot of people who never would have thought to even look elsewhere the idea to look elsewhere. This is a problem better left (by us) unspoken. In fact, I just made it worse by keeping this thread in the limelight. D'oh!
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Steven Carl Kelly 14 years ago

Damn US and their stupid "rules". Off to Canada!
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- kimberly Aita 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly
  
  Damn US and their stupid "rules". Off to Canada!
  
  Can I go too? JK Yeah it really sucks living in a country where they expect us to be honest or else..... with all the scams and S*#t going on today, why should it be any different here and it could be worse really so suck it up and move on.... What goes around comes around :rolleyes:
  
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Istvan Horvath

14 years ago

Well, it is in their Terms that you cannot host copyrighted material on their server:
Acceptable Usage Policy from iWeb

Transmission, distribution or storage of any material protected by copyright, trademark, trade secret or other intellectual property right without proper authorization, and material that is obscene, defamatory, an invasion of privacy or constitutes an illegal threat, or is otherwise illegal.

And if there is enough pressure... they take down sites:
CBC News - Canada - Hamas, Hezbollah websites hosted by Canadian servers

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by fthomas137

Can you provide any of the links of the offending sites?

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

Well, it is in their Terms that you cannot host copyrighted material on their server:
Acceptable Usage Policy from iWeb

And if there is enough pressure... they take down sites:

Thanks Istvan, to not do anything especially when one has a vested interest makes no sense.

All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing ~ Sir Edmund Burke

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fthomas137

14 years ago

Well I do have an update. I will unfortunately not give the links as this would make it so much easier to get pirated stuff.

Next, iweb may have a terms of service, but you can only prove that you are the copyright owner with a court order.

Finally, I discovered that you can complain to google and get the page deindexed!

Frank

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by fthomas137

I tried the Google route and they did nothing. Did not deindex the sites. If it is copyrighted material, they also require a DMCA from the copyright holder before they will remove it. But if you submit the DMCA, they will deindex it.

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GarrieWilson 14 years ago

File a DMCA with the webhosts ISP or the backbone provider in the US.

I know this works because I had someone complain to ATT who then gave my NOC 48 hours to answer the complaint. It was for a bogus spam complaint but a pain since it was files at the backbone level.
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- Jason Moffatt 14 years ago
  
  Probably best to just hire a hooker with herpes to hit on the owner.
  
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  fthomas137 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt
  
  Probably best to just hire a hooker with herpes to hit on the owner.
  
  Jason, best suggestion I've heard today, lol!
  
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Paul Myers 14 years ago

Chief,

Can you provide any of the links of the offending sites?

Don't even ask that.

Paul
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- Crew Chief 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Paul Myers
  
  Chief,Don't even ask that.
  
  Paul
  
  You obviously are looking at something I'm currently not seeing. Out of curiosity, what is it?
  
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  Paul Myers 14 years ago
  
  Giles,
  
  You obviously are looking at something I'm currently not seeing. Out of curiosity, what is it?
  
  You asked for links to prate sites to be posted publicly. That's not allowed here.
  
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Fenshon 14 years ago

woooooow. Why should people think they can make it by stealing? They will surfer from information tsunami
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- Crew Chief 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt
  
  Probably best to just hire a hooker with herpes to hit on the owner.
  
  Jason, I don't know what to say, man...
  
  So I'm giving you 100 points for originality
  
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  David-JP 14 years ago
  
  How are they getting paid? May be possible to get their payment processor to lock them out.
  
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- Todd Lamb 14 years ago
  
  There is so much out there on these type of sites... I agree with just focusing on the honest ones, and don't waste energy and valuable time trying to deal with those who aren't.
  
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seasoned 14 years ago

That isn't really a loophole. Canada, last I knew, HONORED US copyrights! So one relatively new law REQUIRING a third party to cease and desist in the US, is not in canada. Fight it the old fashioned way as copyright infringement, and if the webhost connects directly to a US resource, or is based here, go through THAT!

Crew Chief,

Too many people lie, or exagerate, etc... so defamation here is frowned on at best, etc... So I think paul is saying you shouldn't even ASK for links to offending sites.

Steve
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- Richard Van 14 years ago
  
  Why does everyone think Jasons joking?
  
  It's a master plan, find the hooker, get the pirates ip address, find him (or her, oops, may need a male hooker), get hooker to sleep with pirate, steal medicare card and we only give it back when the sites are down.
  
  Brilliant.
  
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pista05 14 years ago

This stuff has been going on for years with music, software, etc..
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