They are all desperate for...

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Hi warriors!


They are all desperate.

I have seen this: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-warriors.html

and then this: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ake-money.html

And I wonder... What is happening? :confused:

Why are many people looking for help? It is because they constantly look for a "magic formula" ?
#desperate #how make money
  • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
    Could be.

    Also could be a result of the crappy economy and the fact that jobs are being lost by the millions.

    Get pretty desperate when you have a mortgage to pay and kids to feed.

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    Its because they try something and fail and jump to the next thing.

    Just stick to one thing and keep trying it will work out
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    It's pretty common for newbies to sign up here and be under the impression that you can make money pretty fast and easy. They buy up a lot of WSOs that tell them they can. Then they find out that it's really not all that fast and easy and they start posting about their frustrations. We try to steer them in the right direction.
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  • Profile picture of the author l23bc
    Dont stop people coming here to learn, Aint that whats this place is about, Right?
    No just the econmony whats the problem,I think people find stuff online that promises xxxx amout of money for small tasks also which starts the motion that it is possibile?
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  • Profile picture of the author arnold55
    if not to learn...why else join a forum? it's all about teaching and learning. they're many roads leading to the same destination we all take different paths

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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
    Hola Fernando. Es bueno ver más látinos por acá. Veo que trabajas con Clickbank, Cómo haces para cobrar los cheques en Argentina?

    Gracias

    Originally Posted by truesouth View Post

    Hi warriors!


    They are all desperate.

    I have seen this: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-warriors.html

    and then this: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ake-money.html

    And I wonder... What is happening? :confused:

    Why are many people looking for help? It is because they constantly look for a "magic formula" ?
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  • Profile picture of the author jclz3d
    Because IM is hard, if it wasn't, everybody would be making a killing. I for one am glad that it is difficult.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenboss
      Ok, well nobody's gonna argue with the fact that that the economy's putting folks out of work.

      But I think the OP's point is that one really has to question whether someone who asks stuff like "how do you guys make money?" is here to ACTUALLY learn. Especially when such threads come from people who have actually been hanging around the forum for some time already.

      I mean, may I make so bold as to suggest that the answers to that sort of incredibly generic generalized question are here for the taking, a zillion times over, and if you don't know that you haven't bothered to look? And if you haven't bothered to look, if you haven't even been INQUISITIVE enough to look for a basis for narrowing down that question just a LITTLE, then are you really here to learn, or just to have a moan?

      You learn by asking questions, yes. But for goodness sakes people are going to learn a hell of a lot more by picking up on any of the numerous specific methods/systems and submethods and subsystems already clearly outlined on this forum, DOING one of them, and then asking specific questions about what they are doing whenever they hit a snag. I've noticed that this type of question, even if the poster thinks it's a so-called dumb question, attracts far more of the more experienced players who are only too happy to wade in and give specific helpful advice.

      Ask a generic question, you'll get a generic answer!

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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    Questions get asked repeatedly because the poster wants reassurance. Yesterdays thread is not todays thread in the posters mind. Also, it makes them feel it is a customized answer for them. Sometimes they think the answer will be different.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Online biz entrants generally don't want to spend a lot of time learning. They want to be handed a plan that goes from step A to step B to step C and so on. They want to be told what to do in great detail - exactly where to point their mouse and click - to make big money.

    Many fall into the trap of believing that such plans do exist be they in the form of a $30 or $1,500 course or a bunch of random forum posts from different people.

    Only a tiny percentage of newbies entering the industry each month will make even $1,000 total in the entire time they are here. The vast majority of newbies will make little to nothing or even lose money.

    IMO the big "guru" course sellers are to blame for this culture of failure. Their lies are off the charts and they just lead people along to believe this is easy and that anyone can do it. Then we've got the smaller "gurus" who emulate them and publish the same lies. The mere existence of their sites alone do this damage because of the sensational claims all over them.

    Every newbie entering this industry should be shown sites like SaltyDroid.info so that they don't fall prey to the misconceptions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      Online biz entrants generally don't want to spend a lot of time learning. They want to be handed a plan that goes from step A to step B to step C and so on. They want to be told what to do in great detail - exactly where to point their mouse and click - to make big money.

      Many fall into the trap of believing that such plans do exist be they in the form of a $30 or $1,500 course or a bunch of random forum posts from different people.
      The problem is those plans do exist, and they do work, if the individual works the plan, makes minor adjustments, and takes consistent action. They must endeavor to keep learning small details which make the difference between successful campaigns and failed campaigns.

      You can find threads on this forum every week which detail step by step plans to make money which if followed with enthusiasm and major effort would make money for most of these people.

      The missing ingredient is the desire to work 2 to 12 hours per day. The willingness to fail big and then bounce back to your feet and try again with some adjustments.

      Perhaps the biggest problem is the decision to keep reading on forums, keep buying information, and continue researching instead of pulling the trigger and doing something relentlessly and watching your results, taking the feedback, and moving forward.

      It is not the fault of the "gurus", or "lies", it is an issue of effort, desire, passion, commitment, learning, and persistence. Gurus may tell you the upper end possibilities, but so do politicians, fitness experts, car companies, and even our mothers.

      If someone asks "how to do it" then the best response is to simply point them to a great thread on the forum, and remind them it is going to take massive effort on a consistent basis. If they want to succeed you have just provided them with a pathway to success. If they do not want to work, they will fade away.
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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        Originally Posted by KansasDragon View Post

        It is not the fault of the "gurus", or "lies", it is an issue of effort, desire, passion, commitment, learning, and persistence.
        Agreed, and that is where my "guru" blame comes into play. Maybe I just didn't word it right.

        Search anything on Google about making money online and pretty much 100% of what you read is about how easy it is, how no skills are required, how little time it takes and the riches you will make. Interested newbies are hit with these lies again and again until they actually believe it.

        The "gurus" are essentially casting a net that reels newbies into the industry who are delusional in every sense of the word. And, again, they were made that way by all of those misleading websites.

        In some alternative universe you can search Google how to make money online and you are met with info on what skills are really required and how much hard work it is. In that alternative universe, they don't have droves of newbies complaining on forums that the industry isn't what they thought it was.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          It can be funny when some of the "do you make money" - "how much money do you make"....etc....are posted by someone with a signature of "I can show you how to make $XXXXXXXX in 20 minutes"
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  • Profile picture of the author nakmuay7
    You have to tell people its not easy and takes a lot of work im still working towards this but i hav a start and know its a lot of work but then its a big gain to secure your future.

    no shortcut......... SEO backlinks content. then REPEAT
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Ken, all true -- but.......why a generic question? Because people are focused on making money instead of because they want to go into the business of ______. That is all they have in mind for the business. Blank. It's this kind of lack of focus that keeps people from ever being able to formulate a direct and specific question.

    Before IM, people concentrating on developing a business KNEW what they wanted to do. I knew I was a rockhound a long time before anyone ever saw a site called rockhoundstation1. It was an obsession. Placement and funding stopped me from offline development. I just couldn't find anywhere that the intake would justify the building costs. I didn't have the connections to build it into something that people would actually make the shop a destination.

    Then I got online and fell into the Warrior forum. It was like walking into the light.

    Others miss the point because all they are looking for is the ends and have no clue about the means. And by that I don't mean how - that can be taught. What I mean is that they have no clue what they want to do and because of hype have been fooled into thinking it just doesn't matter what you do. Some even admit to not knowing what they are interested in for cripes sakes. They think (and that IS the fault of the product and service developers) that you just walk in and grab any subject that seems lucrative. (then they clog up google for those keywords with crapola).

    They only can ask a generic question about business building because they only have a generic idea about business. That is also why people often don't go out of their way for them. Such lack of focus does not forebode well.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Maybe I'm just being cynical, but I'd be curious to find out how many of those "how do you make money" posters compile the answers and come out with the "how to make a zillion dollars" products in the next newbie's sig?
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      • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Maybe I'm just being cynical, but I'd be curious to find out how many of those "how do you make money" posters compile the answers and come out with the "how to make a zillion dollars" products in the next newbie's sig?
        John, you remind me of the line from Casablanca, when Captain Renault says, "I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

        Seriously, this forum would provide plenty of material for such a devious plan. Within the past 2 weeks I've seen at least two (more than that, I'm sure) members who've posted step-by-step tutorials that, if followed, will lead to success, and could certainly form the basis for a product.

        I believe, however, that most of the frustrated posters have either not seen those posts, or decided that the plans required too much discipline. This belief, as suggested by another member, is very likely created by the interminable "Automatic Push-Button Riches Machine" offers by so-called gurus.
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        • Profile picture of the author truesouth
          Originally Posted by mcmahanusa View Post

          John, you remind me of the line from Casablanca, when Captain Renault says, "I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

          Seriously, this forum would provide plenty of material for such a devious plan. Within the past 2 weeks I've seen at least two (more than that, I'm sure) members who've posted step-by-step tutorials that, if followed, will lead to success, and could certainly form the basis for a product.

          I believe, however, that most of the frustrated posters have either not seen those posts, or decided that the plans required too much discipline. This belief, as suggested by another member, is very likely created by the interminable "Automatic Push-Button Riches Machine" offers by so-called gurus.
          Really, this is a good point.
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        • Profile picture of the author zerofill
          Originally Posted by mcmahanusa View Post

          I believe, however, that most of the frustrated posters have either not seen those posts, or decided that the plans required too much discipline.
          Well, another reason is that many new people don't believe a free strategy will work at all. If they don't buy it, it can't possibly be worth following.

          John Schwartz(Zeus66) recently gave some good tips on blogger... Great for people with no extra cash flow and new to the IM world to start out and build a new income stream...

          Will people follow it? I doubt more than .00025% of the people out there struggling will even try.

          • Many will give it a shot for 20min until they find it still takes some time and work...
          • Some will try and have no results and consider it a failure instead of learning something from it.
          • Some will just be lazy and do nothing with the information

          Then the .00025% will have a few hiccups along the way (but not get frustrated)... learn some new things to add to their skill set... Continue to try the same method... make it work... learn more along the way... Try more things, learn more, become really successful.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Maybe I'm just being cynical, but I'd be curious to find out how many of those "how do you make money" posters compile the answers and come out with the "how to make a zillion dollars" products in the next newbie's sig?
        I have to say that your signature statement is sooooooo true!
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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Maybe I'm just being cynical, but I'd be curious to find out how many of those "how do you make money" posters compile the answers and come out with the "how to make a zillion dollars" products in the next newbie's sig?
        haha

        I have wanted to say that for awhile, but I didn't want to actually post it.

        I think the most common one is the "What are the biggest newbie mistakes?" type threads. You know those are being mined for material.
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  • Profile picture of the author hockeyroom28
    Best advice I've ever received in IM: TAKE ACTION! Just go out and try something instead of spending countless hours reading about every different type of method under the sun. Go out, and try it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Anna_O
    Some people may be looking for the quick fix or the magic bullet -sure, that is true in every industry.

    But I think with IM, there is SO much information, and so much conflicting information, that it is hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. There are also scammers and false advertisers to be on the lookout for (I know - I've been taken in more than once).

    So I think all the questions come from this environment. How are we supposed to know what the truth is? How do we know who is trustworthy? How do we know what will really work for us (and that is going to be an individual question we each have to answer)?

    Maybe it is the economy. But like most people, I can't afford a lot of costly mistakes (either in terms of my time or money). I'm sure the other newbies here can't afford it either, and that's why there are so many calls for help.

    Best wishes,
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  • Profile picture of the author Harold Lindsey
    Hey guys,

    I have a slightly different take on the questions that are being asked here on this forum. I think what a lot of people including myself (sometimes) are really asking is this;

    1: How can (I), in my current situation, in with my current beliefs and biases, as well as my current financial situation..."Make Money Online"?

    2: How can I wade through the huge amount of info that is Internet Marketing?

    3: And finally; Who should I believe and follow, and how fast can I expect to make some real dough?

    "How can I find what's right for me?"

    Unfortunately, there are so many magic bullets being shot at people trying to get a hold of something stable and substancial. That most newbies, and at some of us who have already made a little bit of income online, it hard to know which magic bullets to duck, and which ones to catch.

    But of course, we know, that the real secret is.... There are no magic bullets. And we should duck them all.
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