Can Someone Point is there a Mistake in this English Sentences

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lina75

"Previously it was often held that muscles to (took) about two or three days to recover and then could be trained again. Recent studies of (have) shown that the recovery time is actually longer than this and can be as long as four to seven days. It is been shown (findings have shown/reasearch has shown) that people who train a similar muscle group every four to seven days as opposed to two or three will actually receive the same results and in some cases better results."

Here are some obvious errors I have seen in red and my suggested corrections in black.

I would check this article against copyscape to see if the good english is original.

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Jeff Usher

14 years ago

"Previously it was often held that muscles need about two or three days to recover and then could be trained again. Recent studies have shown that the recovery time is actually longer than this, and can be as long as four to seven days. It has been shown that people who train a similar muscle group every four to seven days, as opposed to two or three, will actually receive the same, and in some cases better, results."

There's mine - with grammar and punctuation as best us West Country locals can do.

Jeff

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Intrepreneur

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lina75

Hi Guys,

I am about to offer someone some writing assignments (I am about to hand over my writing assignments to my client) but not too sure about the English as Mine (mine) is also (also? Who else has half baked writing?) half baked. Can You (you) guys check these sentences out, I felt (feel) that it sounds funny, (full stop) Can you guys confirmed it or is this (confirm if this is) correct English? He claims he is a native speaker.

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Lina

"Previously it was often held (held what? maybe try "thought" instead of held) that musclesto (took)about two or three days to recover and then could be trained again. Recent studies of (have) shown that the recovery time is actually longer than this and can be as long as four to seven days. It is (has) been shown that people who train a similar muscle group every four to seven days as opposed to two or three will actually receive the same results and in some cases better results."

Some corrections.

Also I don't think with that many mistakes that a native English person will ever have your writing considered acceptable. Though that's just speculation I do advise offering a different service.

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lina75

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Intrepreneur

Some corrections.

Also I don't think with that many mistakes that a native English person will ever have your writing considered acceptable. Though that's just speculation I do advise offering a different service.

Thanks Man, but I am not offering my services but hiring others to write for me but when I read his essay( the guy that I thought of hiring), It didn't seems right although English is not my First Language I could sense something is not right, and you all confirm it for me. Thanks again. I really Appreciate it.

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David Jackson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lina75

I am not offering my services but hiring others to write for me.

How can you possibly hire others to write for you, when you don't have a firm grasp of the english language yourself? That makes absolutely no sense to me. What are you going to do, have the forum confirm and correct fundamental writing errors, each time you sense something is amiss?

David Jackson

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Alfred Shelver

14 years ago

I think hiring writers is the only option if you are not a native english speaker... best to make sure that the reviews are good, and are from American and US warriors to make sure that the english is of a suitable standard.

Originally Posted by David Jackson

How can you possibly hire others to write for you, when you don't have a firm grasp of the english language yourself? That makes absolutely no sense to me. What are you going to do, have the forum confirm and correct fundamental writing errors, each time you sense something is amiss?

David Jackson

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Sparhawke

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Cathy Shelver

I think hiring writers is the only option if you are not a native english speaker... best to make sure that the reviews are good, and are from American and US warriors to make sure that the english is of a suitable standard.

Why not simply get a real English person who will not *******ise and debase the language? :confused:

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Elmer Hurlstone

14 years ago

Originally Posted by David Jackson

How can you possibly hire others to write for you, when you don't have a firm grasp of the english(sic) language yourself? That makes absolutely no sense to me. What are you going to do, have the forum confirm and correct fundamental writing errors, each time you sense something is amiss?

David Jackson

I disagree. The OP is asking a specific question regarding one bit of text.

We often hire others to perform tasks we're unable to do ourselves. For example, I do not know how to repair air conditioning equipment. Following your logic I'm therefore incapable of hiring it out.

The OP knows enough English to be aware something does not look or sound right. She is asking only for confirmation. Not a bad thing to do.

BTW, the word "English" is a proper noun which should be capitalized when referring to the language.

Elmer

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Hesaidblissfully

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Elmer Hurlstone

I disagree. The OP is asking a specific question regarding one bit of text.

We often hire others to perform tasks we're unable to do ourselves. For example, I do not know how to repair air conditioning equipment. Following your logic I'm therefore incapable of hiring it out.

The OP knows enough English to be aware something does not look or sound right. She is asking only for confirmation. Not a bad thing to do.

I don't think that's quite the point that was being made though. If the OP is charging for writing that she's providing to clients, then the analogy to your example would be more along the lines of if you were charging people for plumbing services, hiring other plumbers to do it, and then asking people on a forum whether or not the plumber was doing a good job.

In other words, if the OP is charging for the writing services she's providing, then the responsibility falls to her to make sure that the writing is up to par. Asking on a forum is fine, but if you're building a business around English writing, and you're not a native English speaker, don't you think it would make sense to hire a professional proofreader?

I say this because if the OP missed fairly obvious grammatical errors in the portion of the article she cut/pasted, then she may be missing other errors in the writing she's getting as well, which could hurt her relationships with clients and the reputation of her business.

Or, maybe I'm making incorrect assumptions, which is possible, as we don't the whole story.

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Tina Golden

14 years ago

If the OP is charging for writing that she's providing to clients, then the analogy to your example would be more along the lines of if you were charging people for plumbing services, hiring other plumbers to do it, and then asking people on a forum whether or not the plumber was doing a good job.

The OP is not offering writing services. She is trying to hire a writer for her own personal sites and uses.

Tina

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Hesaidblissfully 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

The OP is not offering writing services. She is trying to hire a writer for her own personal sites and uses.

Tina

Ah, ok. My mistake, then. Thanks for clarifying.
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Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Hesaidblissfully

In other words, if the OP is charging for the writing services she's providing ...

She isn't: the OP is the customer, not the service-provider!

Originally Posted by Hesaidblissfully

maybe I'm making incorrect assumptions, which is possible, as we don't the whole story.

Well, if you'll excuse the observation, you certainly "don't the whole story".
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Elmer Hurlstone

14 years ago

Hesaidblissfully,

Inferring from this:

Originally Posted by lina75

Thanks Man, but I am not offering my services but hiring others to write for me but when I read his essay( the guy that I thought of hiring), It didn't seems right although English is not my First Language I could sense something is not right, and you all confirm it for me. Thanks again. I really Appreciate it.

I think lina75 is evaluating content providers for her own purposes and sites.

It's entirely possible your assumptions are correct, in which case I agree with you.

Elmer

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theemperor

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Intrepreneur

Some corrections.

Also I don't think with that many mistakes that a native English person will ever have your writing considered acceptable. Though that's just speculation I do advise offering a different service.

I think you have misunderstood... Lina is looking to hire someone else to write for her. She isn't planning to write for others.

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davewebsmith

14 years ago

hi lina,

I have read the corrections made by Cathy and Jeff. Both are grammatically correct and make sense when reading them

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Intrepreneur 14 years ago

Originally Posted by davewebsmith

hi lina,

I have read the corrections made by Cathy and Jeff. Both are grammatically correct and make sense when reading them

Jeff has an unnecessary comma "better, results."
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- davewebsmith 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Intrepreneur
  
  Jeff has an unnecessary comma "better, results."
  
  I believe Jeff opened the paragraph with a " and ended it with a "
  
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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by lina75;2505626.

He claims he is a native speaker.

I think he's not telling you the truth, Lina.

It's really very difficult indeed to believe that anyone who writes "studies of shown" instead of "studies have shown", and "It is been shown" instead of "It has been shown", is a native speaker of English: these are not mistakes even a 7-year-old child would make.

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Hesaidblissfully

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I think he's not telling you the truth, Lina.

It's really very difficult indeed to believe that anyone who writes "studies of shown" instead of "studies have shown", and "It is been shown" instead of "It has been shown", is a native speaker of English: these are not mistakes even a 7-year-old child would make.

Unfortunately, I've seen many native English speakers use phrases like "should of" instead of "should have".

Along with "are" instead of "our"..."defiantly" instead of "definitely". I thought they were just weird little individual quirks at first, but I've seen them over and over again since then, from different people.

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Michael R.

14 years ago

Maybe your writer used a voice recognition software and didn't proof read the text!?

"muscles to about two or three" instead of "muscles took about two or three"
"Recent studies of shown" instead of "Recent studies have shown"
"It is been shown" instead of "It has been shown"

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timpears

14 years ago

In one word, keep looking. Oh well that is two, but who's counting?

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Andrew Stevens 14 years ago

The guy is not a native English speaker.
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RyanRobinson

14 years ago

Surprised you guys didn't pick this one up at the start.

"Previously, it was often held that muscles to about two......"

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Goatboy

14 years ago

Beyond the grammar issues, there is a lot of 'fat,' which means there are a number of words that are unnecessary and may be getting in the way of the meaning.

For instance, "previously it was often held..." really means "people once believed..." Native speakers will sometimes write this way, but when they are writing as a business, they usually watch for such things unless the intent is simply to provide the greatest number of words for the least input.

I've taken a stab at it to get rid of some of the fat. The reduction is about 10%. It's not perfect, but it will give you the idea.

People once believed that muscles needed two or three days to recover from vigrous exercise before they could be trained again. Recent studies disagree and say that recovery time is actually longer, perhaps even as long as four to seven days. People who train a similar muscle group every four to seven days as opposed to every two or three will actually receive the same or even better results.

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Sparhawke

14 years ago

Originally Posted by RyanRobinson

Surprised you guys didn't pick this one up at the start.

"Previously, it was often held that muscles to about two......"

Couldn't be bothered Ryan even trying, as I do not want to start hunting through a thread to find out what has already been found.

This is why when I take on a proof reading project I make sure I am the only one doing it at that time, that way I know that someone is not going to come along 3 seconds behind me and change everything to its original form or to something worse.

Once something is found then the whole first post should be changed to reflect that, or at least every following post. Yours is a perfect example, you took the sentence out of context by pulling it away from the main block, if it had been changed it would simply make a mess as people struggle to find where they are up to.

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LondonPaladin

14 years ago

I don't know about you guys, but I just love engrish.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lina75

"Previously, it was often held that muscles took about two or three days to recover and then could be trained again. Recent studies have shown that the recovery time is actually longer than this, and can be as long as four to seven days. It has been shown that people who train a similar muscle group every four to seven days - as opposed to two or three - will actually receive the same results, and in some cases better results."

My corrections in bold red.

Okay, one more correction.

To suggest that working out once a week will give you the same results as working out twice a week is such complete garbage, I would not hire this writer to write anything ever again. If you get better results from one workout a week than you do from two, you are not getting proper nutrition. The actual problem isn't that your muscles need longer to recover, but that you are not getting enough complete (read: animal) protein in your diet. And if you're trying to build muscle mass or strength (as opposed to losing fat or improving athletic performance), you should also be supplementing with L-Leucine and branched chain aminos.

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