New Newbie Forum

by Peter Bestel 44 replies
Would it be a good idea?

I spent more time on the forum today than I normally would and I couldn't help but notice the amount of threads that related to newbies in one form or another.

It occurred to me that maybe there could be a 'special' place for newbies, but would this be beneficially to all concerned?

Personally, I really can't make my mind up as to whether it is a good idea or not. On one hand it might clear the other forums of questions that keep getting asked; but on the other it's good to mix it all up in the existing forums.

Obviously this is ultimately Allen's decision and whatever he says goes. But what do you think?

- Peter
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  • Profile picture of the author MsDebra
    Originally Posted by Peter Bestel View Post

    Would it be a good idea?

    I spent more time on the forum today than I normally would and I couldn't help but notice the amount of threads that related to newbies in one form or another.

    It occurred to me that maybe there could be a 'special' place for newbies, but would this be beneficially to all concerned?

    Personally, I really can't make my mind up as to whether it is a good idea or not. On one hand it might clear the other forums of questions that keep getting asked; but on the other it's good to mix it all up in the existing forums.

    Obviously this is ultimately Allen's decision and whatever he says goes. But what do you think?

    - Peter
    I am a newbie, too, and would love a place that is geared toward my newbie questions. I think it is a good idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      So - where do you draw the line between newbie and not?

      It can't be based on time - there are lots of people been doing IM for years and still struggling.

      Can it be based on revenue? There are lots of stupid people making great money, experience or intelligence aren't a pre-requisite for that.

      Knowledge? There are lots of people who could talk about IM all day, but aren't making any money.

      So, where do you draw the line?

      We're all newbies in some way or other.
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      • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        So - where do you draw the line between newbie and not?

        It can't be based on time - there are lots of people been doing IM for years and still struggling.

        Can it be based on revenue? There are lots of stupid people making great money, experience or intelligence aren't a pre-requisite for that.

        Knowledge? There are lots of people who could talk about IM all day, but aren't making any money.

        So, where do you draw the line?

        We're all newbies in some way or other.

        I didn't see the need to draw a line. Just a place to go to ask basic questions. And yes, I agree,

        We're all newbies in some way or other.
        But it was just thought - worth discussing

        But I hear what other people are saying so far. I'll bow down to more experienced Warriors - keeping it to just the main forum does seem to be the right choice.

        Peter
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      • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        So - where do you draw the line between newbie and not?

        It can't be based on time - there are lots of people been doing IM for years and still struggling.

        Can it be based on revenue? There are lots of stupid people making great money, experience or intelligence aren't a pre-requisite for that.

        Knowledge? There are lots of people who could talk about IM all day, but aren't making any money.

        So, where do you draw the line?

        We're all newbies in some way or other.
        Andy, please tell me who those stupid people are...

        OK, rather than a newbie forum, how about a sticky with links to threads that already covered the basics like how to get started, build a website, etc., etc? Call it "Are you a newbie? Start here..."
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        So - where do you draw the line between newbie and not?

        On the left side of the decimal point.


        Or we could establish a 200 question test with the bulk being multiple choice with a few T/F and a handful of essays. The sitting fee for the exam will be $27 with a $97 upsell for the answer sheet. Then the following will be the grading scale...
        • Newbie = Anyone who paid sitting fee (with or without upsell)
        • NOT Newbie = Anyone who finished the test
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  • Profile picture of the author MrYossu
    I don't think it would be a good idea. One of the great things about this forum is that anyone, however new, can ask a question, and as long as they're obviously trying to help themselves and not troll, they can have some of the biggest names in IM answer them.

    The range of experience in here from nothing to extreme makes for great discussions. That wouldn't happen in a newbie forum, as it would mostly be populated by newbies.

    Just my 2c
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    • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
      The only problem I see with a dedicated newbie forum is that it would require people to 'remember' to check it out in order to answer questions - this, in itself could mean that questions go unanswered.

      The main forum is great for newbies as it allows them to answer questions and get immediate answers from a wide range of people with all levels of experience.
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      • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
        I agree with Karl and Andy. This whole general area can be for Newbies to get their questions answered.

        I have a hard enough time remembering to check the other areas of this site, not to mention adding even more.

        I think if people spent the time to research some threads, some of their anwers would be answered anyway.

        I like things the way they are. My .02 anyway.

        Keith
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      • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
        Originally Posted by KarlWarren View Post

        The only problem I see with a dedicated newbie forum is that it would require people to 'remember' to check it out in order to answer questions - this, in itself could mean that questions go unanswered.

        The main forum is great for newbies as it allows them to answer questions and get immediate answers from a wide range of people with all levels of experience.

        Hey Karl you are on point with that response. I would totally agree the main forum is the right place.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Dominic
        Originally Posted by KarlWarren View Post

        The only problem I see with a dedicated newbie forum is that it would require people to 'remember' to check it out in order to answer questions - this, in itself could mean that questions go unanswered.

        The main forum is great for newbies as it allows them to answer questions and get immediate answers from a wide range of people with all levels of experience.
        I agree with Karl. People would treat a "newbie forum" as a less important area and forget about it. People's questions would go unanswered and the same topic would possibly be double posted in a different section.

        I don't think a separate forum for new people is a good idea as it would take away from the main forum.

        Let everyone be treated equally.

        It doesn't matter if it's a question from a well seasoned internet marketing pro or a person just starting out... it's still a question.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chipt
          Perhaps a reasonable compromise might be to have the title of newbie posts have an antecedent of say "NUBQ" [Newbie Question] ... such as...

          "NUBQ: How do I build a website"... or

          "NUBQ: What is an autoresponder and how do I use one?"

          etc etc

          There is no shame in being new -- we were all there once upon a time -- and maybe this compromise might help everyone...

          I do think there's a lot of value for the new folks being here with the others, and perhaps if the noobs would simply ID themselves and their questions, perhaps the others here could help them, they could learn from everyone, and we would not have another forum to try to keep up with...

          Just a thought for you comments -

          Chip Tarver

          PS - Another thought is that I have occasionally seen some level of irritation among folks here when the same question gets asked over and over again. Maybe this might help that, too...
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      • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
        Originally Posted by KarlWarren View Post

        The only problem I see with a dedicated newbie forum is that it would require people to 'remember' to check it out in order to answer questions - this, in itself could mean that questions go unanswered.

        The main forum is great for newbies as it allows them to answer questions and get immediate answers from a wide range of people with all levels of experience.
        Hey Peter,

        Although I like the idea somewhat, I'm not sure it's the best thing for them in this forum.

        Karl ststed my concern well in the above quote (Thanks Karl).

        At the moment, they can get everything they need answered, plus they spend time around discussions of advanced startegies.

        I've seen many times where other warriors take newer people under their wings and teach, guide, and mentor them.

        We as a collective group with experience also play a part by giving different view points to the newer people.

        This is just a thought, but can you imagine newer people helping newer people? Think of it like the blind leading the blind ... or people on the same level trying to teach each other.

        I see people getting tired of staying in one spot myself.


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        • Profile picture of the author Corwinnx
          Just before I read the last post by mmurtha, I thought to myself, the blind leading the blind. I agree that a 'newbie forum' wouldn't get any attention from the seasoned veterans. Better off to have a 'mentoring forum.' A place where all the newbies who want a mentor can go find one and see their prices and not clog up the main discussion with requests for mentors. Just my two cents.

          -Marcus

          P.S. Thanks for the link Mary, and Peter, per your request, these are my thoughts, LOL.

          -Marcus
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          • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
            It's great for everybody having newbies ask questions.

            If you are an experienced marketer you have to think about the best way to explain your answer to the question.

            If the newbie says "Great explanation - now I understand" you have communicated well.

            If the newbie says "I still don't understand/Now I'm more confused" you obviously have to improve your communication skills.

            Look at newbie questions as a training ground for developing your teaching ability.

            I always remember my younger brother, when he was 5 years old, asking me where the sun went at night.

            Easy, isn't it?

            Try answering that question and then imagine for every answer you give, he asks you why.

            For example:

            "The earth goes round and round . . . "
            "Why?"
            "Not important! And because it turns completely every 24 and a bit hours . . ."
            "Why?"
            "Because 23 hours is too short and 25 hours is too long."
            "Which way does the earth turn?"
            "Errrrr . . . :confused:"

            You get the idea

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      • Profile picture of the author Hackbridge
        Originally Posted by KarlWarren View Post

        The only problem I see with a dedicated newbie forum is that it would require people to 'remember' to check it out in order to answer questions - this, in itself could mean that questions go unanswered.

        The main forum is great for newbies as it allows them to answer questions and get immediate answers from a wide range of people with all levels of experience.
        I wouldn't class myself as a newbie, but have found it relatively hard to "crack the nut", but what I've been finding about myself recently, is that I'm turning a corner if only in my mind about what is going to work.

        I've persisted in educating myself about what works, and reading here and admittedly elsewhere, but the the point is that I have persevered and not had it spoon fed me.

        I think that it would help newbies, who really want it to check out what's going on, perhaps only read the threads with the "flames" see what's happening, and if it's relevant to what they want to do stick with it. "Dig for the gold".

        On the old forum, that thread about "Making $50,000 because of WF" is an example of how people have read the posts and educated themselves.

        For any newbies reading (note to self) You need to think about creating a product, or writing articles, or video marketing. That I believe is essential and will be a good start to earning money, if you persevere!

        My mandate is to blog, create videos, write articles, related to products. One day soon I'll get into creating a product but it isn't too far away.

        HTH

        Brian
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        • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
          So the consensus of opinion is NOT to have a separate forum for newbies. Fair enough, as I said in my original post, I wasn't sure it was a good idea myself.

          I do think that Marcus' idea of a mentor forum has got legs - but that's a different discussion.

          On a lighter note, here's an alternative forum/section that I DO think you'll like (well some of you, lol)

          http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...myers-etc.html

          Peter
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        • Profile picture of the author Tirmizi
          well I too share the sae notion , that newbies deserve to be at a differet section ... that way they can browse through the forum and can found the answer to their queries without looking at any irrelevnt things ... which might be here on this thread ... lets make the forum's more relevent
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          • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
            Originally Posted by Tirmizi View Post

            well I too share the sae notion , that newbies deserve to be at a differet section ... that way they can browse through the forum and can found the answer to their queries without looking at any irrelevnt things ... which might be here on this thread ... lets make the forum's more relevent
            But if only NEWBIES are there in that section, where will they find the answers to their questions?
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            • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
              Originally Posted by KarlWarren View Post

              But if only NEWBIES are there in that section, where will they find the answers to their questions?
              I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. The suggestion was never for newbies to be isolated in their own forum, but for a place where newbie-like questions could be asked and answered by more experienced Warriors...

              ... I guess we already have that in the Main Forum

              Peter
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              • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
                Hi Peter,

                I know I understand your sentiments entirely.

                My post was specifically directed at the quoted individual who seems to be on a one line posting marathon - not sure of his intentions yet, time will tell.
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                • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
                  Karl

                  I think we're in heated agreement - if you get my meaning. lol

                  Peter
                  (Part of a one line posting sprint!)
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                  • Profile picture of the author sparrow
                    Hey folks

                    I thinks this Newbie issue can be solved very easy.

                    All a Newbie wants from us is information most of us can do in our sleep.

                    Like build a website, how to setup a autoresponder and the list goes on.

                    How about a WIKI for the all of these types of questions, many of these questions are the same so the answers in many cases are evergreen.

                    Anyone want to chime in on this.

                    Ed
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                    • Profile picture of the author Richie V
                      I like what sparrow just said about "Wiki" (Whatever that is:confused as I am too a newbie.

                      If there is a way to have all of those same questions asked over and over and over again be in one spot so people like myself can go to and learn from and then from there ask questions for the seasoned IM ers to answer.

                      I believe that would be appropriate and also that would cut a lot of the "Fat" out of some of the posts and make things more effricient for both the "Newbies" and seasoned vets!

                      I have a question... where would any of you recomend to go for a new domain name and hosting of a website?

                      I went with GoDaddy originally and I didnt like their hosting at all.
                      The service was shy of what I expected as well.

                      I was constantly having challenges setting up my website through them, the whole site would lock up and what should have taken 10 seconds would take 30 minutes and to be honest, I dont think any of us have time like that these days
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                      • Profile picture of the author sparrow
                        Richie

                        a good example of a famous wiki is wikipedia.com

                        This is a collaborative effort of people sharing their knowledge in one spot.

                        hope this helps

                        the answer to your hosting question could possibly found by doing a search above so not to hijact this thread, I have seen other threads addressing this issue

                        Ed


                        Originally Posted by Richie V View Post

                        I like what sparrow just said about "Wiki" (Whatever that is:confused as I am too a newbie.

                        If there is a way to have all of those same questions asked over and over and over again be in one spot so people like myself can go to and learn from and then from there ask questions for the seasoned IM ers to answer.

                        I believe that would be appropriate and also that would cut a lot of the "Fat" out of some of the posts and make things more effricient for both the "Newbies" and seasoned vets!

                        I have a question... where would any of you recomend to go for a new domain name and hosting of a website?

                        I went with GoDaddy originally and I didnt like their hosting at all.
                        The service was shy of what I expected as well.

                        I was constantly having challenges setting up my website through them, the whole site would lock up and what should have taken 10 seconds would take 30 minutes and to be honest, I dont think any of us have time like that these days
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            • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
              Hey guys,

              I personally don't think that a seperate newbie forum will work. I have learnt an immense amount by "hanging" around here with the big boys.

              Now what I do think is a good idea is a "Mentoring Forum" where newbies can find suitable mentors who would walk alongside them as they learn. Then the new interns can help others and so on.

              Your thoughts?

              Regards

              Greg
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeRogers
    Hey Peter and Debra,

    I think this topic has been brought up in the past concerning the Warrior Forum.

    Given that this is an internet marketing forum and everyone is here to learn, I don't think it would be a very good idea to shove all of the beginning marketers off into a separate forum. (How many intermediate or experienced marketers would spend much time there answering questions while ignoring their own education?)

    As it stands now, new marketers can get their questions answered by some of the top people in the business and, from time-to-time, even newbies ask questions that are of interest to all.

    Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenda Lange
    There is already a newbie warrior forum, why would you want to create another one.
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    • Profile picture of the author bhlehr
      I wouldn't think there is a need for one. As it is, everyone seems to playing on an even playing field. Even the experts sometimes learn a thing or two from others. And I've seen some of the so-called newbies give great suggestions in areas that they may be strong in.
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        I'm a newbie and I always get useful information and resources here. All the comments and information written by the members here help me a lot in my way towards IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author jhongren
    Originally Posted by Peter Bestel View Post

    Would it be a good idea?

    It occurred to me that maybe there could be a 'special' place for newbies, but would this be beneficially to all concerned?

    Personally, I really can't make my mind up as to whether it is a good idea or not. On one hand it might clear the other forums of questions that keep getting asked; but on the other it's good to mix it all up in the existing forums.
    Hi Peter, Thanks for the good suggestion and thank you for taking initiative.

    As different newbies are at different levels, it is very hard to segregate which topics is for the newbies.

    We all get to learn a new thing or two even if we have been in IM for some time.

    So do use the Search feature to look for the right topics you want. I think it is easier.

    Allen and team have their hands full and so we got to empathise. =)

    Cheers,
    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Hackbridge
      How about a section where Newbies can ask a specific question, and Warriors can give back to the forum by answering the question.

      One rule could be that there are no unanswered questions, but only if the question has been asked before?

      Brian
      Ps if the newbie has his question answered, perhaps he can at least give peruse the Warrior's signature - there might be something in it for the newbie??
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        One of the best resources for new marketers is the list of posts at bestwarriorthreads.com . There is a wealth of info there for those serious about learning - and moving past the "newbie" label. There are threads there that are detailed business plans - and others that fully explain many of the marketing techniques used in IM.

        When you divide groups of people you may create an "us against them" mentality that is destructive rather than helpful. There will always be new members who are defensive, demanding and argumentative - and many more who are here to learn and willing to put advice into practice. That's just how people are.

        We used to have a section on the old forum of answers to the most commonly asked questions. Very few used it - they just asked the questions again. If a question here isn't answered, it's because no one knows the answer (rare), because it is isn't clear what is being asked, or because it isn't worth answering at all (which can be a lesson about how to phrase questions).

        I think we all learn more from discussions of marketing tactics and techniques than from discussions about the forum itself. But that's just me.

        kay
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        • Profile picture of the author alfa_375
          I love the idea, you know it will not only help newbees but also lazy boys like me.
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          • Profile picture of the author fm1234
            posted by sparrow:
            the answer to your hosting question could possibly found by doing a search above so not to hijact this thread, I have seen other threads addressing this issue
            And therein lies the problem with newbies. I'm all for trying to help people out, as I think my post history confirms, but when the same question is asked and answered over and over and over it can lead to severe burnout on the part of the answerers. I've long maintained that the best way to learn is to stfu and read the forum for a month -- just don't post anything, literally not one thing, not an intro, not a question, not a picture of your grandkids or anything else. stfu and read for one month and you'll learn more for free than you could from $1,000 worth of ebooks. But very few people seem to take this advice.

            At least this new forum platform has a viable search function; the old one was awful. Perhaps this will help out a bit.


            Frank
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            • Profile picture of the author Ivelin2008
              Hey there, I'm a newbie well not a complete newbie but I really think there should be a newbie section with all the newbie questions in there being answered. So the newbies look there first. In fact when I first arrived to this forum I started looking for the newbie section and was dissappointed I couldn't find it! That speaks for itself and one more thing - you can claim you have learned something only when you are able to teach it to other people! If you can't then you don't fully understand it! So yeah, why not add a newbie section with a newbie FAQ and everything? I think it would benefit both newbies and experienced markteres! And if you don't like reading newbie question you won't have to because they will be all in the newbie section and you will simply not go in there. win-win situation!
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              • Profile picture of the author gabby335
                Ok -

                After a quick read through all the posts ... let's figure this direction.

                Many people disagreed with opening up another section JUST for 'newbies' ... but others think that newbies need a place to go to get educated about the basics ... but as we know from being here for any length of time, the 'basics' change practically on a monthly basis!

                So, Ed's (sparrow) suggestion for a wiki section makes a lot of sense to me. Unlike an FAQ section (Frequently Asked Questions, for the real newbies to the Web), which has been around almost as long as web pages, a wiki is an easily updated version of the old FAQ pages and could be pointed to as a starting point when people sign up for the Forum.

                Members in here could be "enticed" to create various sections or segments of the wiki by allowing the creators or editors of the sections to have backlinks to their sites as a compensation. This way someone who deals in 'Article Writing' and creates that section for the wiki has their name and site available for NEW eyes to look at their business of creating Articles, for example.

                It can be a semi-permanent advertising segment of this already tremendously useful Forum!!

                In this way, it becomes a wonderful training tools for new marketers and will certainly cut down on the amount of posting labeled "Help ME!!!!" or "I have a simple question ..."!!

                I would think that the wiki would have to be set up independent of the forum, yet can easily be referenced from a link in the forum.

                I'll be the first to raise my hand and say that I'll contribute articles about basic computing questions, basic email, basic web, etc.- as that is our main business! (Computer training for Seniors.)

                What do you all think?

                I just "fleshed" out what Ed already suggested!
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                • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                  Two days ago I posted the line below in this thread:

                  One of the best resources for new marketers is the list of posts at bestwarriorthreads.com .
                  It would be interesting to know how many new members posting here went to that link and checked out posts there. If not, why not? Much of the info people say they need is there for the taking - free.

                  Any FAQ setup would have to be organized in a way that makes finding a specific answer fast and easy - because the same people asking the simplistic questions won't read through a few pages to find an answer any more than they will use a search function.


                  I would think that the wiki would have to be set up independent of the forum, yet can easily be referenced from a link in the forum.
                  As for adding a section - that's up to Allen as the forum owner. Best to ask his opinion before starting a project that is based on the WF or its members. He's the forum expert and knows what works.

                  kay
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  • Profile picture of the author gussie789
    I don't think newbie should be placed by themselves, as in a regular classroom there are advance students and those that are not, but being in the same environment allows the slower persons to learn from the more advance and by so doing develop more comfortably.
    They now make more effort to reach the advance level by working harder because people at the very top with such confidence and class motivates them.
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    • Profile picture of the author jedz
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      Your suggestion is very much appreciated. But I think having another newbie forum isn't a great idea at all. There are categories where you can post your questions and some other concerns.
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