Why do web designers with no site or a poor site seek sales help?

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OK, seriously,

We've had more than one web designer over the years, some from the USA and some from other countries - - and most are recent ones who do the following:

1) Seek us out via multiple means to ask for sales help

2) Are reluctant to show us their credentials, site or anything at all, yet want detailed info on how they should go about getting sales - -i.e. give them free consulting about the best ways we know to make money (always 4-figures minimum per sale, too) .

Issues that arise:

- we do need some type of info to see if there is anything we think would sell, in our humble opinion, since it would be with our efforts, and all communications are kept confidential.

- we research anyway, based upon the little you share, IF communications get that far. And we always find either no website, very, very poor quality ones not worth 3-digits, let alone 4-digits, and zero info of valuable for sales like basic contact info, types of web design services offered in detail like which codes / scripts / cart software, etc. you use, template samples, etc.

- these web designers get upset that we turn them down, and basically want more and more and more free info to help them get their business up and running. They argue and send back insults galore, and we are not even into any type contract stage at all, this is just preliminary emails and pre-proposal discussion.

- they insult this forum and Warriors, saying Warriors are too cheap for their services, when we send them here to get in touch with today's Internet marketing more (one real issue is: educated Warriors don't want to spend $1,000 + for something from a stranger with no site, no contact info, no nothing...)

I mean get real. Why are these people surfacing? Anyone else running into this?

Time wasters, or what, wow! And the insults they throw because you don't want to be there and help them for free with business start up, growth, sales - the whole nine yards. I mean sheesh - -my kids aren't that bad!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mangozoom
    Years ago my dad hired a book keeper for his business who did the wages.

    Anyway this guy used to get really jealous of all the commissions paid to all the hardworking sales force. Basically he wanted a peice of the pie and underestimated the abilities of sales force and their skills.

    Just wonder if these web designers are creating sites for internet marketing people and simply want a peice of the pie but lack the skills.

    As we know creating a site and making money online are two different things.

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
      Originally Posted by Mangozoom View Post

      Years ago my dad hired a book keeper for his business who did the wages.

      Anyway this guy used to get really jealous of all the commissions paid to all the hardworking sales force. Basically he wanted a peice of the pie and underestimated the abilities of sales force and their skills.

      Just wonder if these web designers are creating sites for internet marketing people and simply want a peice of the pie but lack the skills.

      As we know creating a site and making money online are two different things.

      John
      That could be, John. Maybe they have created totally awesome sites for others, but have had zero time to commit to their own site and sales, i.e. how to actually sell (lack of sales skills), developing a good portfolio site and presence to go with it, if I'm understanding you right.

      I guess then I'd wonder if they have client samples to share. I'll have to ask that now. Thanks for the heads up Maybe that will help me understand them more.

      I don't mind offering some help, but need calm communications (not insults when I ask for samples, contact info, etc). So perhaps communication tips are in order here, too. Maybe there are better ways to ask for this info that don't come off as offensive or intrusive?

      Thanks for any and all help. There's obviously a need here in this IM niche, finding a fit for web designer service providers who lack IM presence (sound right?)
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      • Profile picture of the author Gary King
        Originally Posted by dbarnum View Post

        Maybe they have created totally awesome sites for others, but have had zero time to commit to their own site...

        I guess then I'd wonder if they have client samples to share. I'll have to ask that now.
        Exactly. If they did work for others, they would have a portfolio.

        If they can't show you any of the work they have done, it certainly would raise my eyebrows...

        Perhaps you could give them an assignment (if you feel like going this far!).

        Ask them to create a simple graphic like an ebook cover or a header. Give them specific but not controlling instructions (just like they would get with an order) and ask them when they can have it to you.

        If they produce it to your specs, they might be worth continuing conversations.
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    • Profile picture of the author adrianwinston
      Originally Posted by Mangozoom View Post

      Years ago my dad hired a book keeper for his business who did the wages.

      Anyway this guy used to get really jealous of all the commissions paid to all the hardworking sales force. Basically he wanted a peice of the pie and underestimated the abilities of sales force and their skills.

      Just wonder if these web designers are creating sites for internet marketing people and simply want a peice of the pie but lack the skills.

      As we know creating a site and making money online are two different things.

      John
      Exactly, People need to know you hired them for what and stick to that. Should of choose another field of work, lmao.
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      • Profile picture of the author RyanRobinson
        Not all web designers are like this.

        Not only do I ask for some advice on some subjects but I also give some of my knowledge back to the community. I have recently been helping out in the Web Design forum and will continuously do so as this is a great place for sharing thoughts, ideas and solutions.

        At the moment, I'm one of those web designers without any contact details. This due to the fact that if I posted my website in my sig, you would be visiting a blank website. I am also not looking for any work at the moment due to me being busy already and I get the majority of my work via word of mouth. Yes, I do plan on creating my website once I have time, it will have all of the bells and whistles you can think of.
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        • Profile picture of the author adrianwinston
          Originally Posted by RyanRobinson View Post

          Not all web designers are like this.

          Not only do I ask for some advice on some subjects but I also give some of my knowledge back to the community. I have recently been helping out in the Web Design forum and will continuously do so as this is a great place for sharing thoughts, ideas and solutions.

          At the moment, I'm one of those web designers without any contact details. This due to the fact that if I posted my website in my sig, you would be visiting a blank website. I am also not looking for any work at the moment due to me being busy already and I get the majority of my work via word of mouth. Yes, I do plan on creating my website once I have time, it will have all of the bells and whistles you can think of.
          Tell me about it, I don't blame you for not having a portfolio up. Things get quite busy sitting on your chair every day working. I never had the time to get it up either.
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  • Profile picture of the author wayfarer
    The best web designers / developers are not always the ones with the best or shiniest websites. In fact, most of the very successful designers I've worked with or for, have websites that are worse than mine. The reason is they are spending so much time working for clients, and have so much word of mouth that is driving their business, that they simply don't have time to revise their website.

    Believe it or not, most of us designers / developers do not get the majority of our work because of or through our websites!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    The explanations already offered are distinct posibilities.

    As I was reading the first post, I got the impression that these "designers" are either lazy or have the entitlement mentality. Sure, we may have explained their lack of a decent looking website, but there is no excuse for being rude. That's not lack of marketing knowledge, that's lack of common sense. The former is forgiveable, the latter is a sure sign to not work with them.

    That's my take on it anyway.

    All the best,
    Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
      Hi,

      Thanks for the comments and help, everyone. I understand time constraints, sure, and not having time for your own projects. And I agree, getting rude isn't called for.

      I work with writers a lot more, and some of them either no sites or a 1-page or something, yet have article samples to share.

      So I'm guessing that the web designer who has no site and no samples, plus gets upset when asked, (must be a defensive mechanism) either doesn't want to disclose confidential site creations or has none.

      And this is news:

      Believe it or not, most of us designers / developers do not get the majority of our work because of or through our websites!

      Glad to get insight into this. Thanks again, everyone!
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