Can Someone Tell me How I can Compete With The Writing Ads Here?

by kea55
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Hi,
I keep hearing that writers should charge about $10.00 per article. However, I keep seeing wso's that talk of writing articles for .99 cents! If I dare to put an ad up there talking about writing for 10 dollars how would I expect to get any clients? And if a wso isn't the way to go can someone tell me how to get clients or daily writing work fast?
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    Originally Posted by kea55 View Post

    Hi,
    I keep hearing that writers should charge about $10.00 per article. However, I keep seeing wso's that talk of writing articles for .99 cents! If I dare to put an ad up there talking about writing for 10 dollars how would I expect to get any clients? And if a wso isn't the way to go can someone tell me how to get clients or daily writing work fast?
    I haven't done this myself quite yet, but, how about develop a blog....loyal readership who will buy anything and everything from you? I do agree that, because of the low prices people are offering writing services, it is VERY hard to compete unless you have a well-established personal brand and loyalty to YOU...
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  • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
    Most of Those WSO's are a way to earn a reputation and get testimonials and earn money ... I think its perfect go ahead show what you can do
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt.Lake
    Have you actually tried posting your article service yet, before complaining that you won't be able to compete?

    If you provide quality articles and a quality service, you'll find plenty of warriors willing to pay for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author MisterMunch
    First, the 0.99 guy is taling about his rate for 100 words. Still there are a lot of great and cheap article offers on this forum.

    But, why does the price need to be your selling point?

    Personally I am looking for article writers who has experience getting sales from their articles. Some might be good on writing Amazon product reviews. Others might be experienced with writing travel articles.

    CTR amd SEO are other selling points that I see a lot.

    You also have the personality selling point, experience selling point or authority selling point.

    Most of the writers promote fast delivery. That does not sound like quality articles to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      I haven't done this myself quite yet, but, how about develop a blog....loyal readership who will buy anything and everything from you? I do agree that, because of the low prices people are offering writing services, it is VERY hard to compete unless you have a well-established personal brand and loyalty to YOU...
      No offense, but this is not true.

      How do I know this? It can NOT be, because I don't give a
      crap what other people charge for articles...and yet I always
      get pretty much what the true market value is for the service
      I offer.

      I don't do it nearly as much as I used to, but I would easily
      get $20-$35 per article (the lowest being about $10) with no
      problem.

      People who sell cheap, are cheap. Period. They THINK it's
      all they can get, so they undervalue themselves and what
      they offer. I don't. That's what makes ME stand out and get
      what I'm asking for because I know I'm worth it.

      Originally Posted by MisterMunch View Post

      First, the 0.99 guy is taling about his rate for 100 words. Still there are a lot of great and cheap article offers on this forum.

      But, why does the price need to be your selling point?

      Personally I am looking for article writers who has experience getting sales from their articles. Some might be good on writing Amazon product reviews. Others might be experienced with writing travel articles.

      CTR amd SEO are other selling points that I see a lot.

      You also have the personality selling point, experience selling point or authority selling point.

      Most of the writers promote fast delivery. That does not sound like quality articles to me.
      You forgot the "balls" selling point. Do you have the balls
      to ask for a more money for what you know your worth?

      Most people don't, say they're stuck there...complain they
      can't make more money, not knowing that their not asking
      for enough to begin with.

      Also, I never promote fast delivery. But it's because I give
      a damn.

      I don't even know why I'm here, I rarely do the service
      anymore, but I guess it's to give the OP a different view
      point from someone who has actually done it and can
      speak on it from experinece.
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    WhoisBenjamin made some solid points and should be taken
    into consideration.

    Yes, it can take some testicular fortitude to charge what you
    believe and know you're worth. Try to avoid falling into the
    mindset that you need to charge low to be competitive and
    get writing work. Not true, fallacious, the path to unhappiness.

    Create a site about your writing services. It can be one page,
    but make it strong, solid, and confident. Put a link in your sig
    file with something creative and confident. If you have writing
    samples, put them on your site.

    Make useful, intelligent, and constructive posts in the forum.

    You can place a classified ad if you want or do a WSO if you have
    something to show people or help prove to them that you can
    deliver the goods.

    You can also advertise your services in other places such as freelance
    sites. Look for a thread here in the main forum that was posted sometime
    within the past week. It was something like x number of sites where you
    can find work as a writer.

    Always deliver on time. Never be late. Be professional and do what you say
    you will do.

    I write full time in a variety of formats and specialties including copywriting.
    I used to write articles as a freelancer, and the most I've ever been paid
    for articles is $80 per article. They were not standard articles, though. I've
    received lots of gigs that paid anywhere from 30-50 per article.

    Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author benrpalmer
    Show that your writing is quality and people will be willing to pay the extra money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      kea55,

      Do not compete with low-ball writers. They're not your competition because their clients are not the ones that YOU want to attract. You want to attract those who are looking for quality writing. Those people aren't searching for the lowest price. Those people SAY they're looking for quality but most of them wouldn't know a good article if it bit them in the butt.

      Market yourself to those that are USED to paying the rates you are asking. Be sure that you provide the value that makes you WORTH the amount you're asking and you'll never go hungry.

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      • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
        Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

        kea55,

        Do not compete with low-ball writers. They're not your competition because their clients are not the ones that YOU want to attract. You want to attract those who are looking for quality writing. Those people aren't searching for the lowest price. Those people SAY they're looking for quality but most of them wouldn't know a good article if it bit them in the butt.

        Market yourself to those that are USED to paying the rates you are asking. Be sure that you provide the value that makes you WORTH the amount you're asking and you'll never go hungry.

        Tina
        You could also ask those who buy such writing WHY they buy that writing and ask them to give you a free trial?

        What you want to get is a good reputation, and no reputation is better than well known people giving you testimonials
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  • Profile picture of the author kea55
    This sounds great. ok I will try some of this stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Kea, was none of the detailed suggestions made to you when you recently asked in this thread of any value? :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author kea55
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Kea, was none of the detailed suggestions made to you when you recently asked in this thread of any value? :confused:
        yes i went on some of the freelance sites. you recommended and applied for things. however. I havent' gotten any responses from them
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          I'm sorry to hear it, and rather surprised. They're very active sites ... :confused:
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          • Profile picture of the author kea55
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            I'm sorry to hear it, and rather surprised. They're very active sites ... :confused:
            I think freelancing is probably just competitive. I probably have to answer like hundreds of ads before I get something. At least that's the advice I have been reading.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Do you have your own website?
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              • Profile picture of the author kea55
                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                Do you have your own website?
                no...but I know I need to build one right? and then people will just start coming on their own right?
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                • Profile picture of the author Elmer Hurlstone
                  Originally Posted by kea55 View Post

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                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith
                  Do you have your own website?
                  no...but I know I need to build one right? and then people will just start coming on their own right?
                  kea55,

                  No, sadly, they will not "...just start coming...".

                  The, "Field of Dreams", 'build it and they will come', days are far behind us.

                  There is a reason this section of WF is called "Main Internet Marketing Discussion Forum". Marketing is the operative word.

                  You may be the best article writer in the known world, at least as far as ability and capability are concerned. But, until your potential market recognizes your outstanding attributes, you'll be writing for yourself. And that, I've heard, doesn't pay very well.

                  Do a bit of research to determine which specific niches you are comfortable writing articles for. Once you've done so, write a couple articles and offer them at no charge to a few folks. (Be selective about this) When you submit them to the takers ask them to provide you with private feed back.

                  Be prepared for rejection. In the writing business it's much more common than acceptance.

                  Learning to effectively market yourself will tilt the odds in your favor.

                  If you have decent skills, ability and some talent, with perseverance you'll ultimately succeed.

                  Elmer
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                  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                    Originally Posted by Elmer Hurlstone View Post

                    Learning to effectively market yourself will tilt the odds in your favor.
                    Indeed. This is absolutely what it's all about: writers compete in the markets in which they choose to compete, and for which they have the marketing skills - as well as obviously the writing skills - to compete. (And of course having a "writing website" is part of the ways one can do that. Maybe a very big part of them).

                    Originally Posted by Elmer Hurlstone View Post

                    If you have decent skills, ability and some talent, with perseverance you'll ultimately succeed.
                    Also very true.
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                • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
                  Originally Posted by kea55 View Post

                  no...but I know I need to build one right? and then people will just start coming on their own right?
                  No, you still have to market yourself and make sure people who buy articles can find your site.
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                  • Profile picture of the author inter123
                    I put up a signature on here advertising a 500 word article for $7 and got no interest. Changed it to $4 and the response improved.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                      Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

                      I put up a signature on here advertising a 500 word article for $7 and got no interest. Changed it to $4 and the response improved.
                      It'll be very difficult indeed, I suspect, to attract many customers willing to pay a reasonable price for reasonable work, without even a 1-page blog link for them to click on. You're putting yourself at a huge disadvantage compared with your competitors - and have apparently chosen to try to "resolve" that by lowering the price? Well, as so many of us have been pointing out so repeatedly, writers compete in the markets in which they choose to compete ... :rolleyes:
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                    • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
                      Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

                      I put up a signature on here advertising a 500 word article for $7 and got no interest. Changed it to $4 and the response improved.
                      There's no point in competing on price. There is always going to be someone cheaper than you.

                      Why not compete on service? What makes you worth $3 more than a $4 writer?

                      If we all keep competing on price, it won't be long before we're writing for peanuts.
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticlesThatRock
    What portion of your revenue is devoted to marketing?

    I pay my writers $5 for a 400-500 word article and $2 for an editor. I pay $3 for sales and marketing expenses, and I charge $10. In other words, I earn no money. My article writing business is 6 months old and I project that it will be profitable 6 months from now.

    If you are unable to tolerate losing money for a year, running your own business is a foolish idea. It's much riskier than working for someone else.

    Very few people who earn a college degree are educated. If you go to music school, they teach you how to make music, but nothing about marketing. If you go to engineering school, they teach you the craft and nothing about marketing.

    A typical technology company spends 10-15% on research and development and 30% on marketing. Check SEC reports from public companies for more details.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    You can't compete with the other writers here at WF. At least that's what you're telling everyone with your post here. Whining about competition you're not even competing against yet seems quite self defeating. Good luck with it though.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    You can sell at a hire price than others, businesses do it all the time. Look at Cold Stone Ice Cream - they sell a really cheap product (inexpensive ingredients is what I mean by that) for a very premium price.

    What are you doing that's different than your competition? Are you a native English speaker? Is your turn around time faster than most? Do you only write in certain niches because you have a deep knowledge of the topic? Can you distribute the articles through a network of sites for the customer?

    There are dentists and chiropractors who charge crazy high fees basically because their waiting room looks nicer, and has better chairs than their competitors. They create a high class experience and can charge much much more because of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    There's plenty of writers here that get $10 an article so you don't have to settle to write cheaper than that.

    There's also plenty of people that I suspect would be glad to pay $10 an article (if it was a decent article). And I would even think that the types of people that would pay $10 an article probably don't even look at the ads for the 99 cent articles.

    So, what you might try is writing up some sample articles and get a website up with those samples on there so people can see how you write.

    Then post your WSO with a great discount from your regular prices (so figure out what you want to charge normally first).

    Hopefully this will get you some clients and once they see that you do a great job, they will be glad to come back for more work!

    I don't think you're going to get a flood of clients overnight - every business takes time to build. But if you do a good job and are reliable you won't have any trouble building that business.

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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      So, what you might try is writing up some sample articles and get a website up with those samples on there so people can see how you write.
      This would seem to be a logical first step. And you don't need to have any clients (nor to spend any money) to put some samples on a website, and promote that website with forum sig-file links and/or in other ways.

      I used to have one, myself (I'm no longer accepting new clients for articles now and have removed all its contents), and that was virtually the only promotion I ever did. It attracted high-paying clients, and it never occurred to me to "compete on price with other article writers" at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vishal Mahadik
    The fact is there is a lot of demand for quality content writers in the market.

    You just have to stand in front of the right audience at right time.

    Forums are great point of contacts to earn some reliable paying clients.

    Believe me, there are many people who look for quality writing. If you can prove yourself that you are a good writer then there is no one stopping you from getting good clients.

    If you are a beginner content writer then you need to prove that you can create quality content quickly.

    Today people want a good quality content on time. So you need to focus on only two things: First Quality Writing and Second On time Delivery.

    If you can achieve these two things then you will eventually get high quality clients in few days.

    Don't even think about competing with cheap writers. Its all about your attitude.

    Stay Positive and Work Hard To Create Your Brand in the Market. Once you become established authority then everything will fall in place automatically.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Dont compete. Craft your offer , put it out there . Sell it to the people who want to buy it. If people sell it for 99 cents here, then go somewhere else where people sell them for 10.00, or create a USP that makes it worthwhile to pay you the higher dollar...

    My best Advice: PM George Wright and ask him how to get 50 cents per word.
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  • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
    Have you thought about joining some of the sites that pay you a portion of adsense revenue? That could be a slow start, but with good SEO writing on popular topics, and backlinking work, the residuals will come every month and can build up quite nicely.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
    Like others said, don't worry about your competitors. There are an awful lot of people looking for writers, and each writer can only handle so many clients. Lots of people haven't yet found their perfect writer... all you have to do is attract a handful of them, get recommended to their friends, and network... plus, of course, write your very best every time... and you're all set.
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  • Profile picture of the author good2go4
    I agree with a lot of the writers that have made useful comments here. I don't compete on price; I don't even try to. In the past I have made a lot of money through sites like Elance and GAF to the point where I had a heart attack, lol. Now I have a set rate - I send samples to clients so that they can see they are getting value for money and I don't enter into any negotiations about my fees. I work purely for myself (i.e. I don't work on freelance sites anymore) and if someone is interested in my services I will send them samples, or refer them to one of my sites (depending on the niche topic).

    You need to be true to yourself. Ask yourself what rates you are comfortable with and then stick to them. Show the client you are worth the money you are charging and make sure you over deliver on every project.

    Best of luck
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  • Profile picture of the author kea55
    ok sounds good. I think I will first get a website. Does anyone know how i can put up a professional website for free or low cost?
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticlesThatRock
    If you never plan to hire another writer, you can put up a WordPress site on HostGator or BlueHost for a reasonable price. The first steps are to get a domain and a host. WordPress is easy to install, but you'll need to consult the forums to get an idea of the plug-ins that you might want.

    If you want to grow a business with a staff of writers and an editor, use Joomla. Wordpress is not designed for multiple users.
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  • Profile picture of the author kea55
    Yeah I've tried designing a wordpress site for my writing before, but had a hard time finding a theme that made it look very professional.
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    • Profile picture of the author aandersen
      Originally Posted by kea55 View Post

      Yeah I've tried designing a wordpress site for my writing before, but had a hard time finding a theme that made it look very professional.
      I will tell you a secret (just between you an me, ok). A lot of writers' sites don't look all that professional.

      Just make sure it is clean and gets your message across. Most WP themes are going to look somewhat decent, so don't over think it. You can always work on the aesthetics later. I would worry more about having high quality writing samples than anything else.

      here is an awesome post by Paul Myers that you should read :
      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2443194
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by kea55 View Post

    If I dare to put an ad up there talking about writing for 10 dollars how would I expect to get any clients?
    A $10 article is usually 500 words.

    A 99 cent article is usually 100 words.

    So those writers are really charging $4.95 an article.

    And here's what you do.

    Buy one of these $4.95 articles for a specific niche and keyword.

    While you're waiting for it, write an article of your own for the same niche and keyword.

    Put them both up on your website.

    Post your ad with links to both articles. Don't identify the writer you bought from. Just say "here is my article," and "here is an article from one of those 99 cent writers."

    If you don't suck, you'll get clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author kea55
    ok sounds good. I've also heard that cold calling is a good idea. I think I will try that approach on Monday.
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    [QUOTE=kea55;2525960]Hi,
    I keep hearing that writers should charge about $10.00 per article. However, I keep seeing wso's that talk of writing articles for .99 cents! If I dare... QUOTE]


    Kea55...

    Look at what is in bold just above.

    Forget the first two and do much more of the third. If you need to
    work up to that ability, then so be it. Just move toward it the best
    you can.

    You've received great advice in this thread. Solid, actionable advice.

    I think it's good that you took some action. You did something many
    would advise against, and I also would advise against lowering your
    fees. But here are a couple thoughts for you...

    What I would suggest, at this point, is to keep writing articles if you're
    getting work for 4/article. But make a decision about where you plan
    to go.

    Do the best you can with your abilities, however I suggest you read
    some info in the forum about how to write articles. There are different
    strategies for different applications and situations.

    If you want to improve as an article writer, and make more money by
    charging higher fees, then you need to increase your knowledge and
    experience.

    So, ok... continue writing and get testimonials. Then, make a damn
    site, will ya? If you are unwilling to make a very basic site that will
    include writing samples plus testimonials, then that begs certain
    conclusions for which I have no concern, really.

    In an earlier post I mentioned some of the fees I charged when I did
    freelance work. The market I found for fees like that were not here in
    this forum. I'm not saying some people here wouldn't pay that much,
    and I don't care. My point is that I looked elsewhere for the market I
    wanted.

    Here's one more thing for you, and then I have stuff to do. You would
    be seriously mistaken by dismissing what I'm about to say...

    You find what you look for. If you think all you can get is a low-ball
    fee for writing articles, then that is what you will get. If you believe
    in possibilities for much better pay, and better yet you actively seek
    those possibilities; well then guess what? You'll find it. I promise.

    It seems this horse is officially beaten to death, and may it rest in peace.

    Good luck to you.


    Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author Victoralexon
    Check out www.constant-content.com

    Maybe not exactly what you were looking for but a lot of people love CC.

    You can also check out www.textbroker.com

    On these websites you write an article, submit it and later someone drops by and buys it. It's like a marketplace filled with articles etc.
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