I feel so dirty ;)

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14 years ago

wow these types of thoughts definetly don't come to mind for me.

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Louise Green

14 years ago

I think, because you're (well, your son) is renting it.. he and the rest of your family can watch it as many times as he likes before returning it.

Now, if he or you were making copies of the movie, that would be wrong.

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Michael Mayo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Louise Evans

I think, because you're (well, your son) is renting it.. he and the rest of your family can watch it as many times as he likes before returning it.

Now, if he or you were making copies of the movie, that would be wrong.

I totally Agree with you in that sense although my son doesn't live with us so
is is still right for us to do that?

I think it has more to do with perception of the law and is the reason we
have Judges in the USA...lol at least I hope thats the reason.

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Steven Carl Kelly

14 years ago

Did the video rental company rent the video to your son based on the number of viewers? On the number of times it can be watched? On the number of locations where it can be played? On which DVD players it can be shown?

OR...

Did they rent it to him for a fixed amount of time? There's your answer.

I mean, you can go Amazon and buy a book, or you can go to the library and check it out for free and read it. Would you feel "clean" in the former and "dirty" in the latter?

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George Wright

14 years ago

I'm not sure how I feel about that Mr. Mayo. Could you upload that movie so I can... LOL JK.

What about when you check out a book from the Library and loan it to a friend who doesn't have a Library Card? Or you rent a bicycle at the pier and let your friend take it for a spin.

I'm sure now that you've opened up this can of worms there will be all kinds of what ifs.

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Michael Mayo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by George Wright

I'm not sure how I feel about that Mr. Mayo. Could you upload that movie so I can... LOL JK.

What about when you check out a book from the Library and loan it to a friend who doesn't have a Library Card? Or you rent a bicycle at the pier and let your friend take it for a spin.

I'm sure now that you've opened up this can of worms there will be all kinds of what ifs.

George Wright

I see your point but does it make it right or wrong to do "that is the question?"...lol

Originally Posted by yukon

I never rent dirty movies...

Don't quit your day job! :p J/K That was witty!

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PS, Damn, you people posted fast...lol

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Gary King 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

I see your point but does it make it right or wrong to do "that is the question?"...lol

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Michael
PS, Damn, you people posted fast...lol

Michael,

PM me your paypal. I send you the funds for the rental...

on one condition - you have to video the clerk when you try to pay for the rental and post it back here.

Interesting conundrum we have here with rental vs purchasing our electronically downloaded products.

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George Wright 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

I see your point but does it make it right or wrong to do "that is the question?"...lol

Yes.

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Goatboy 14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I never rent dirty movies...

Neither do I, I just visit friends who do.

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Steve Ranger

14 years ago

I imagine this is covered under some sort of 'fair usage' policy. If you started your own little film club they'd have something to say

Reminds me of an old street I used to live on in the UK many years ago. One guy had satellite television whilst everyone else had the standard 4 channels - he recorded every decent film and offered them on VHS to anyone that wanted to borrow them.

Best neighbor ever!

Make sure you take that video back on time

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14 years ago

Are you serious? Just watch the movie and be happy? Talk about being like honest Abe .... It is just a movie not a beachfront condo lol

This post makes me laugh, funny topic I am sure Blockbuster would love a million more customers that think like you. There profits would skyrocket .....

Just having fun no harm meant!

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14 years ago

I guess we just cant stop people from sharing information. But we will still get our share in the market. Who knows you may gain more when they share with more people

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

We could have went over to our son's house and watched it with him
would that have made it alright?

Where is right and wrong?
If it's legally wrong so should I report us? Don't count on it...lol

I'm just asking you where you begin to draw the line?

Curious,
Have a Great Day!
Michael

The answer is very simple. Did your son make a copy and distribute it? If someone buys my ebook and invites a friend over and the friend views it on his computer, there is no copyright violation.

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Gary King

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

The answer is very simple. Did your son make a copy and distribute it? If someone buys my ebook and invites a friend over and the friend views it on his computer, there is no copyright violation.

If they buy your ebook, read it, give it to a friend but delete it from their computer (no copy, the original is given) is there an issue?

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Gary King

If they buy your ebook, read it, give it to a friend but delete it from their computer (no copy, the original is given) is there an issue?

Just because they delete the original doesn't mean that they have not copied and distributed the file. A copy is a copy and distribution is distribution and stealing is stealing.

People who want to do this are going to do this regardless of what is right and what is wrong, so playing semantics games makes no difference.

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Gary King

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Just because they delete the original doesn't mean that they have not copied and distributed the file. A copy is a copy and distribution is distribution and stealing is stealing.

People who want to do this are going to do this regardless of what is right and what is wrong, so playing semantics games makes no difference.

No games here Suzanne... my questions are about understanding the way people think and the boundaries they set.

You defined a boundary that said it was ok for two people to read one of your ebooks.

I'm cool with that.

My question was where your boundary lines are drawn (like the OP pondered).

I'm not saying it's ok to copy / distribute in any way - just asking isn't two people reading the same ebook distribution?

Again, not trying to pull semantics on you, I'm truly curious how you feel and how you define what you said was ok vs my description (again, with no copies, just the original passing hands).

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Gary King

No games here Suzanne... my questions are about understanding the way people think and the boundaries they set.

You defined a boundary that said it was ok for two people to read one of your ebooks.

I'm cool with that.

My question was where your boundary lines are drawn (like the OP pondered).

I'm not saying it's ok to copy / distribute in any way - just asking isn't two people reading the same ebook distribution?

Again, not trying to pull semantics on you, I'm truly curious how you feel and how you define what you said was ok vs my description (again, with no copies, just the original passing hands).

Hey ... if someone is cheapo enough to invite 1000 people to his house to read my ebook on his screen, go for it. lol. It's only $13. But the movie rental and buying a book are very different terms. You still can't make copies of the movie or book to distribute, but nothing prevents you from loaning it out or having a hoard of people over to watch it.

People throw out books and DVDs in yard sales to transfer ownership and donate them to bookstores and libraries ... all within their legal rights. No copy made, no harm.

I've got a programmer working on some software and it's costing me a nice chunk of change to get it developed. The most complex part of programming it is the licensing system that will prevent it's use on a non-registered computer.

I don't bother with that type of security for a $13 ebook. Not worth the hassle, but if I sold the software unprotected, within a week, it would be distributed all over the Internet, with other people selling it and giving it away for free.

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mcmahanusa 14 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Hey ... if someone is cheapo enough to invite 1000 people to his house to read my ebook on his screen, go for it. lol. It's only $13. .

Wow. I'd love for anything I wrote to get 1000 people to read it. Free or not, think of the publicity. Priceless.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I've got a programmer working on some software and it's costing me a nice chunk of change to get it developed. The most complex part of programming it is the licensing system that will prevent it's use on a non-registered computer.

I don't bother with that type of security for a $13 ebook. Not worth the hassle, but if I sold the software unprotected, within a week, it would be distributed all over the Internet, with other people selling it and giving it away for free.

Awesome, thanks for your opinion, just exploring what people think.

Totally agreed on the software. You just have to put a licensing engine in there somewhere or it's not worth the time to build it.

For one program I released several years ago, that was the breaking point. My developer flipped when I described the licensing technology I wanted to use to protect it.

We worked through numerous options, ultimately ending up with no protection (yikes!).

FWIF, you may have been down this road, but if it will be any kind of shorter-lived IM product (that one was time-sensitive and likely only usable for about 9-12 months) you may want to keep in mind that if it contacts your server for authentication when it runs you either:

a) have to keep that domain alive "forever" so people still using it can authenticate
b) have a future expiration date where after xx/xx/xxxx the software doesn't check for licensing

Just thought I would share things I worked through since you were nice enough to share your perspective.

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benrpalmer

14 years ago

This really wouldn't bother me...

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KenThompson

14 years ago

Michael,

If you're not going to turn yourself in to the proper authorities, you
should at least fall on your sword.

Ken

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14 years ago

People still rent movies?

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Joseph Then

14 years ago

OK, let's hear from FBI.

Seen this notice?
http://unfocusedcontent.com/images/fbi_warning.jpg

Here's the unofficial Yahoo Answer:
The F.B.I. warning on movies? - Yahoo! Answers

Pretty much explains everything.

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MichaelHiles

14 years ago

Actually Michael, it's NOT the same. There's a clear distinction between a tangible product like a DVD and a virtual product like an e-book.

The "first sale doctrine" has applied to copyright limitations since Bobbs-Merrill vs. Strauss in 1908. This is a limitation in copyright law that says once a person has bought the tangible good, they are immunized from liability of re-transfer. This has been upheld time and time again because Hollywood studios and musicians don't particularly like the used CD and DVD or movie rental markets. But so long as there's no duplication of the original, physical product, the first purchaser may loan it, rent it, or resell it at their leisure.

Software is different though because it exists in a virtual capacity. It's subject to EULA terms and not actually "sold". And furthermore, it's impossible to "transfer" software without making a copy. That's why the software industry has pretty much operated on a licensing basis since the beginning, when the patents for the first microprocessors failed to include the instructions and any derivative work.

Right now there's controversy in the gaming world, as some game developers are including a unique code that is used to access online game servers when someone buys the retail package. If they attempt to sell the game at a Gamestop or other used game venue, the next person cannot use the software because the unique ID for that copy has been assigned to the first purchaser.

This is contradictory to the first sale doctrine because it's a packaged for retail product. There isn't clear scope of the law here and it will probably go to the Supreme Court for clarification. Game companies claim that it's a named license - except that the EULA isn't accessible until after purchase. It's encased in the retail box and not visible to the buyer, who has assumed that they purchased a game like any other game.

Clearly, DVD movies and CDs don't fall under this scope though.

I'm no legal expert by any stretch, but I do pay attention to IP law because it does affect so much of what we do. Maybe someone like Kindsvater can chime in.

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espradley

14 years ago

I think renting a movie is far different than selling a digital product as you mention.

Although they are both revenue generators, renting a movie often entails an enjoyable night with multiple watchers. There is no single user licence on renting a movie. I don't think I've ever gone to a movie store where they were link ... FOR YOUR EYES ONLY.

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Scott Ames

14 years ago

To get my family and friends to read any IM product I buy I would have to pay them. They just don't care.

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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

Michael, the terms of the rental agreement are there. Just read them and
you'll get the answer to your question.

IMO, you're worried for nothing as I believe that you are paying for the time
rented and not for WHO can watch it.
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Haroon Ballim

14 years ago

I think what the man is referring to here is the moral dilemma , not the legal dilemma . Just because its legal does not make it right . Not refering to the movie rental conundrum here , but rather speaking in general

What this tells me , the fact that you would even consider this wrong is that you are a guy with a moral code .. Thats Good , Michael

Your answer will really come when you get upstairs . The Big Man , will probably say He watched that movie too , with you .. After all he is always present and sees what you see .

So I guess if its good enough for Him , its good enough for you.

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Michael Mayo

14 years ago

Thanks Warriors,

I had no problem watching the movie at all.

I just thought how it relates to ebooks and other online media then thought,
what makes it this different. Online vs Offline?

The Answer comes in the user agreements.

Offline the terms of usage in the video market allows you a time frame to
use the product and what you do legally during that time is your business
per the user agreement at rental.

Online you have a different set of rules. This can be confusing to someone
new to the Internet. They arive with the off line mind set and begin to
develope ways of making money online.

This is where I feel most of the online duplication of products begins.
You know, They found it online so it must be usable in their own products and
services. Hell The Internet is a Gold Mine so lets make some money!

...lol and Sad!

Thanks for all your comments to the thread,
Have a Great Day!
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rts2271

14 years ago

The reason this is filling your head full of f*%k is that the copyright thugs have told you this is wrong, which it is not. Fair use allows this kind of viewing. Now if you were charing admission or profiting from it that would be a issue. It's no worse then loaning a book.

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jacktackett

14 years ago

Originally Posted by rts2271

... Fair use allows this kind of viewing. Now if you were charing admission or profiting from it that would be a issue. It's no worse then loaning a book...

[Re]Read Michael Hile's excellent post above.

Bascially the OP has nothing to do with Fair Use. Folks need to be careful thinking the concept of fair use will 'save' them from IP infringement - it probably won't. IANAL, but as a published author I follow IP law and try to keep up.

First, fair use is part of US law - there is no universal law around the world though there are a few international treaties. In Canada I believe its called fair dealing and other countries call it something else if they have a statute at all. In the US its basically there to allow for criticism, education, etc and parody. BUT- there are no hard and fast rules.

The gist of this is that only a Judge in the US can determine fair use. The creator can not and the person using the material can not. IMHO the only ones who win then are the lawyers.

So in this case the example would be if Michael Mayo posted some of the video on his website and then wrote a review of it - that's an example of fair use. Also he could have taken a scene in the movie and dressed up Mr. Riley's hamsters and recorded a parody of that scene. Hopefully that would be treated as fair use. But if the owners of the movie objected - they could file a C&D take down claim and claim infringement.

Fair use is a slippery slope since there's not a list of what you can and can't do out there. Read this wikipedia article for some more information:

Fair use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, what Michael M. did is probably not illegal - but as Steven suggested he should see his son's receipt and the TOS he signed when he rented the movie. However, inviting lots of folks over to watch a movie could be illegal.

I was involved with a group in college and we would hold movie night to generate money for the group - we didn't charge for admission but sold popcorn and drinks and asked for donations. We did this for a few semesters until ordered to stop - we didn't realize it was illegal - even if we didn't charge money.

Even if you pay to show a movie, the contracts are very explicit in what ways you can show the movies and what you have to do to record attendance and receipts. I was later the film chair for the student entertainment group so I'm the one who had to sign these contracts and oversee the paperwork.

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I didn't know people still rented movies from the video store!
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Michael Mayo

14 years ago

Jack, You hit the nail on the head.

Originally Posted by jacktackett

[Re]Read Michael Hile's excellent post above.

Bascially the OP has nothing to do with Fair Use. Folks need to be careful thinking the concept of fair use will 'save' them from IP infringement - it probably won't. IANAL, but as a published author I follow IP law and try to keep up.

First, fair use is part of US law - there is no universal law around the world though there are a few international treaties. In Canada I believe its called fair dealing and other countries call it something else if they have a statute at all. In the US its basically there to allow for criticism, education, etc and parody. BUT- there are no hard and fast rules.

The gist of this is that only a Judge in the US can determine fair use. The creator can not and the person using the material can not. IMHO the only ones who win then are the lawyers.

So in this case the example would be if Michael Mayo posted some of the video on his website and then wrote a review of it - that's an example of fair use. Also he could have taken a scene in the movie and dressed up Mr. Riley's hamsters and recorded a parody of that scene. Hopefully that would be treated as fair use. But if the owners of the movie objected - they could file a C&D take down claim and claim infringement.

Fair use is a slippery slope since there's not a list of what you can and can't do out there. Read this wikipedia article for some more information:

Fair use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, what Michael M. did is probably not illegal - but as Steven suggested he should see his son's receipt and the TOS he signed when he rented the movie. However, inviting lots of folks over to watch a movie could be illegal.

I was involved with a group in college and we would hold movie night to generate money for the group - we didn't charge for admission but sold popcorn and drinks and asked for donations. We did this for a few semesters until ordered to stop - we didn't realize it was illegal - even if we didn't charge money.

Even if you pay to show a movie, the contracts are very explicit in what ways you can show the movies and what you have to do to record attendance and receipts. I was later the film chair for the student entertainment group so I'm the one who had to sign these contracts and oversee the paperwork.

Damn that was good...lol
Can I quote that on my blog?

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jacktackett 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

Jack, You hit the nail on the head.

Damn that was good...lol
Can I quote that on my blog?

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Yes Michael - you have my permission to quote me.
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Dennis Gaskill 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

Thanks Warriors,

I had no problem watching the movie at all.

So, you were just using us then? I ... I feel so dirty.
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  Dennis, Yes, but in a good way.
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Fraggler

14 years ago

A better analogy might be borrowing a book from the library and photocopying the pages.

Renting a DVD is paying for the time to have the product within certain conditions. Financial gain and illegal copies I think are pretty standard conditions; lending it to a mate should be fine...

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Jill Carpenter

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

Hi Warriors,
My Wife and Son were talking earlier today when she asked him if he has
seen a specific movie. He replies that he has and that he rented it
yesterday.

Their coversation:

Wife, "Do you still have it?

Son, "Yes"

Wife, "When do you have to return it?"

Son, "7PM tonight"

Wife, "Can your Dad I Watch it before you return it?"

Son, "Sure"

My wife gets the movie and brings it home with her.

A few hours later I arrive home.

We go to dinner and return home when she says, "Hey, Guess What?, I have that movie we've been wanting to watch!"

Me, "Cool, Let's watch it!"

Wife, "OK"

We watch the movie and then it dawns on me... Where did you get this?

She tells me that our son had rented it and that he has to return it in a
little while.

My brain starts racing in mass confusion....
What makes what we did any different than someone buying your ebook
and allowing a friend to read it?

To add to the confusion...

We could have went over to our son's house and watched it with him
would that have made it alright?

Where is right and wrong?
If it's legally wrong should I report us? Don't count on it...lol

I'm just asking you where you begin to draw the line?

Curious,
Have a Great Day!
Michael

You are paying (or your son is) for rental time. The movie rental place does not have any clause that I'm aware of which says "Only one person can watch this rental, and then you have to pay more if 2 watch it." lol

It would be the same as having access to a book that was bought, or just came out of the library.

If I find a book in your house, should I have to pay for the book too in order to read it?

If I'm over at your house, and you have some ebooks to read on your computer, should I be able to read those? I think so.

But that does not mean I can make copies to hand out to friends. It's all about making illegal copies.

If I make a copy of your DVD so I can share that around and not pay additional rental time, then there's a problem.

(I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on the internet)

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NicheMayhem 14 years ago

I wonder though if the rental agreement states viewing the movie must be done only in the household in which is on file as the cardholders permanent residence. The way I took the OP was the son lives in a separate household where as taking the movie to another home for viewing would technically be a breech of the agreement.

I have no clue if that condition is included but it would seem a logical part of the rental agreement. If so...Mr. Mayo, you are a dirty dirty man and soon the MRPs (Movie Rental Police) will be busting through your door I am sure of it.

Run Thelma, run.

If nothing else and IF (a big IF) the rental agreement states only ONE household is permitted to view, I think this is a great example of where and how misconception can easily get you into a realm which you never expected to be in. There are so many variables and scenarios which many people do not think twice about or even feel are silly arguments but yet they really are similar to our situations with the sharing of our ebooks online.

As pointed out though there is a big difference between a digital file being copied and a DVD being copied. Still, an interesting thread which many people may find themselves realizing they had been a part of the kind of misunderstandings which people (especially young people) find themselves in when it comes to intellectual property rights. The argument that you were unaware of violating the rental agreement is just as invalid as the argument that you were unaware you were stealing by sharing files, yet the seriousness of the offense is highly reliant upon whom it harms.
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Dana_W

14 years ago

Snorpf. I was hoping for something WAY dirtier!

Is it just me?

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

Hi Warriors,
My Wife and Son were talking earlier today when she asked him if he has
seen a specific movie. He replies that he has and that he rented it
yesterday.

Their coversation:

Wife, "Do you still have it?

Son, "Yes"

Wife, "When do you have to return it?"

Son, "7PM tonight"

Wife, "Can your Dad I Watch it before you return it?"

Son, "Sure"

My wife gets the movie and brings it home with her.

A few hours later I arrive home.

We go to dinner and return home when she says, "Hey, Guess What?, I have that movie we've been wanting to watch!"

Me, "Cool, Let's watch it!"

Wife, "OK"

We watch the movie and then it dawns on me... Where did you get this?

She tells me that our son had rented it and that he has to return it in a
little while.

My brain starts racing in mass confusion....
What makes what we did any different than someone buying your ebook
and allowing a friend to read it?

To add to the confusion...

We could have went over to our son's house and watched it with him
would that have made it alright?

Where is right and wrong?
If it's legally wrong should I report us? Don't count on it...lol

I'm just asking you where you begin to draw the line?

Curious,
Have a Great Day!
Michael

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Jill Carpenter

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dana_W

Snorpf. I was hoping for something WAY dirtier!

Is it just me?

Me too. :p

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Michael Mayo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dana_W

Snorpf. I was hoping for something WAY dirtier!

Is it just me?

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

Me too. :p

LOL...Guess I'll have to tell George to watch out!
Looks like I'll have to start my own Friday Night Chat!

Have a Great Day!
Michael
PS. All the Warrior Women are welcome to join in!

Wife - Smacks Michael on the back of his head!

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Dana_W

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

LOL...Guess I'll have to tell George to watch out!
Looks like I'll have to start my own Friday Night Chat!

Have a Great Day!
Michael
PS. All the Warrior Women are welcome to join in!

Wife - Smacks Michael on the back of his head!

Warrior Women Gone Wild?

I did NOT just say that.

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Michael Mayo 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dana_W

Warrior Women Gone Wild?

I did NOT just say that.

ROTFLMAO... I'm all over it!

That would be one heck of a WSO...lol

How's 11'ish Friday sound...lol? :p

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Michael
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gareth

14 years ago

What if you hired a projector and sold tickets & screened the film at a park... but returned it at 7 pm.

Would that be OK ?

Or if it wasn't what if you just gave a free screening to 300 people ?

3 people, 300 - whats the difference - right ?

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Jill Carpenter

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gareth

What if you hired a projector and sold tickets & screened the film at a park... but returned it at 7 pm.

Would that be OK ?

Or if it wasn't what if you just gave a free screening to 300 people ?

3 people, 300 - whats the difference - right ?

The issue here is you don't have license rights to share the video for monetary gain. Some smart actors get paid every time their movie clip is shown. This can go on for YEARS. You need to clear things with the studio or who ever owns the film before just showing it for profit purposes.

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Anonymous Affiliate

14 years ago

And what more important... did you actually enjoy the film?

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itzpaul

14 years ago

Haha I think it's ok. If it's the same household it's definitely OK

. Either way, I usually bring DVD I've rented to holiday parties in-case theirs nothing to do.

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Super Affiliate

14 years ago

Michael,

You shouldn't feel dirty for doing what you did.

But I'm glad to know that there's somebody whose heart is pure to do what is right when there are people everywhere who copy DVDs and CDs illegally without even thinking for a sec.

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marketguy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

Hi Warriors,
My Wife and Son were talking earlier today when she asked him if he has
seen a specific movie. He replies that he has and that he rented it
yesterday.

Their coversation:

Wife, "Do you still have it?

Son, "Yes"

Wife, "When do you have to return it?"

Son, "7PM tonight"

Wife, "Can your Dad I Watch it before you return it?"

Son, "Sure"

My wife gets the movie and brings it home with her.

A few hours later I arrive home.

We go to dinner and return home when she says, "Hey, Guess What?, I have that movie we've been wanting to watch!"

Me, "Cool, Let's watch it!"

Wife, "OK"

We watch the movie and then it dawns on me... Where did you get this?

She tells me that our son had rented it and that he has to return it in a
little while.

My brain starts racing in mass confusion....
What makes what we did any different than someone buying your ebook
and allowing a friend to read it?

To add to the confusion...

We could have went over to our son's house and watched it with him
would that have made it alright?

Where is right and wrong?
If it's legally wrong should I report us? Don't count on it...lol

I'm just asking you where you begin to draw the line?

Curious,
Have a Great Day!
Michael

lol.

i get sunday ticket.

i invite some friends over to watch a game.

is that illegal? heck no.

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I feel so dirty ;)

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