Mentor Requests and Newbie Bashing

by Corwinnx 28 replies
I have been on the forum a lot today and today I saw a post that I have seen many times, and I've also seen the same answers that seem to be pretty discouraging to the newbies.

Newbies come in here and they are understandably overwhelmed by the amount of info and ways to make money. It is understandable that they want a mentor. Very few great achievements are attained single-handedly. Most people also tend to have more focus and get more done if they have someone to be accountable to.

I have been 'self-educated' in IM, but I also realize the value of paying for a 'fast-track' plan. And I also believe in the power of the 'team.'

I would have been more than willing to pay for a mentor. There are other industries where people pay up to $14,000 for a mentorship program. They fly to wherever the mentor is and spend up to two weeks working one-on-one with the mentor. The level of teamwork and dedication raises the stakes to force one to take action and pay attention.

Maybe the WF could have a special forum for mentoring. Where those who are willing to mentor others can post their specialities, services and rates. Newbies could go in there and find the mentor they want to teach them things like article marketing, PPC, CPA, etc.

This is just a suggestion, but if a person is willing to pay for a mentor, they should be allowed to do so. Some people aren't self-educating types. Some people aren't self-starters. But you never know, they could be marketing geniuses, or affiliate superstars, but just lack the direction and focus that a paid mentor can offer.

Just my two cents on the subject.

-Marcus
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  • Profile picture of the author Christie Love
    Well said, Marcus. I totally agree with you. I feel bad when newbies are bashed for asking for a mentor. Yes, I agree that they should take some time to research a bit first to see if IM is even something they are committed to doing.

    People who mentor know what they are getting into. Some are equipped to be a mentor and others are not. Just like, some people make great teachers and others do not. If you do not want to mentor newbies because you feel that it will take up too much of your time, etc, etc... then don't. Let the mentors step in and offer their services.

    I have found wonderful mentors through Warrior and I get the sense that they feel the same about me. So, let's not judge all newbies. There are some out there with great potential.

    Most all successful people have had mentors during the early stages of their career. i.e. Tony Robbins, Tiger Woods... The entire Olympic team.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
    Marcus

    Interesting point and whilst not precisely the same subject, take a look at this thread:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/2528-new-newbie-forum.html#post18980

    Like to hear your views

    Peter
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  • Profile picture of the author michellegreen
    Marcus, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I know I wouldn't be doing what I am now if it weren't for my two wonderful mentors!

    I think the problem has been that I've seen many people expecting they're going to be mentored for nothing, and it just doesn't work that way.

    Great idea anyway and hopefully it takes off!
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    • Profile picture of the author Corwinnx
      Christie, *nod. I think the most important thing that any newbie can look for IN a mentor is that the mentor will have them assess their assets and liabilities and then form a PLAN based around those strenghts and weaknesses. For instance, if the newbie is highly organized, but not at all the 'creative type' they would be better suited to things like Virtual Assistant work, placing classified ads, etc, and outsourcing things like copywriting, graphic arts design, and so on. I think that's where most people bow out before they even get started. There are so many facets to marketing any product or service on the Internet and no man is an island.

      Peter, tried that link, page cannot be found.

      Michelle, I know what you mean about people not wanting to pay for it. I wasn't referring to them, I was referring to people like myself who would have been willing to pay, but were never able to find that mentor (for me an online mentor wasn't going to work, I needed personal one-on-one training. I happened to have gotten lucky and made a good friend who turned out to be a mentor as well.)

      I started mastermind meetup because when I saw the numerous posts about meetups here in the WF, but also, when I thought about it, it's a great place for people to find mentors too, and give that same type of mentoring back with their own 'field of expertise'.

      -Marcus
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      • Profile picture of the author michellegreen
        Good on you for taking action Marcus. Sometimes we have to do that to get anywhere and you've done just that!

        I hope you didn't think I was referring to you because I wasn't.
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        • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
          At the end of the day,

          new people who come here, need to understand and learn about the rules of asking questions on a forum, any forum.

          If they do not persist past a few criticisms then they will not learn.

          To me a board is like real life, If a person comes up to me expecting me to mentor them, or asking in a non polite way, then I will politely point them to one of my sites or to this site.

          One problem with newbies whom English is their second language, sometimes these messages do come across rather brash, though this is a cultural difference, though they will need to learn about this to be successful in an English speaking forum.

          Some people get it. some don't. Though people motivated to succeed will do it, and pass these obstacles

          cheers

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          • Profile picture of the author Corwinnx
            Michelle, not at all. I understood your implication. I just wanted to include that as I wasn't saying that any of us should just jump and say, "hey, I'll mentor you." I posted about that issue in another thread earlier where someone wasted something like three hours of their time mentoring someone for free and the 'pupil' did nothing. I commented that this is the reason that coaches/mentors SHOULD charge for their time, so the only person who's time is 'wasted' if they take no action, is theirs.

            Pete, dude, I think ya got me all wrong. What I was trying to address is that some people really have NO idea where to start. IM isn't a 'business', it's an INDUSTRY. There is A LOT to learn and a mentor can provide focus and direction. That being said, if someone were willing to pay me $14,000, I would get on a plane, fly to wherever they lived, and spend two weeks in a hotel with Wireless Internet Access and hold their hand step by step. And if they made $28,000 from what I taught them, they did it in two weeks rather than the sometimes YEARS it takes to figure some of this stuff out.

            As for asking questions on a forum, that was the reason I suggested a mentoring forum. Let those who ARE willing to TRULY mentor (free or for a price) post that they are and give the newbies willing to spend the money a place to just find them.

            Think about it in our own terms. Almost all of the 'information' we SELL, can be found for free if someone is willing to do the research. The reason they 'BUY' something that's free is because they don't want to spend a lot of time on said research.

            The same thing applies. If I wanted to buy a company that manufactures plastic serving dishes, would I want to spend years learning about the processes? No. I would expect, as is very common in the world of buying and selling businesses, that the person selling the businesses would stay on and mentor me for at least 6 months to teach me the business. My alternative to this would be to spend years learning the ins and outs of the business and trying to START my own company.

            Because when you get right down to it, the business of business, is business. And the best businessmen/businesswomen (have to be PC nowadays) know that if the shortest distance between any two points is a straight line, then it would make sense to pay a premium for a pre-built business that offers training/mentorship/etc.

            A final thought on the subject: Although the vast majority of folks enter this business because of it's low-start up costs and excellent cost-to-profit ratios, not everyone chooses IM because they are broke, poor or destitute. Savvy business people are seeing opportunity in the web and are willing to pay for the shortest route possible to make it a profitable business for them.

            Remember, the two main reasons most businesses fail is lack of planning and lack of funding. So if an experienced business person has money to invest in a good mentor, there should be a place where they can find one, without being called out for not doing trying to figure it all out for themselves.

            -Marcus
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            • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
              Originally Posted by Corwinnx View Post


              Pete, dude, I think ya got me all wrong. What I was trying to address is that some people really have NO idea where to start. IM isn't a 'business', it's an INDUSTRY. There is A LOT to learn and a mentor can provide focus and direction. That being said, if someone were willing to pay me $14,000, I would get on a plane, fly to wherever they lived, and spend two weeks in a hotel with Wireless Internet Access and hold their hand step by step. And if they made $28,000 from what I taught them, they did it in two weeks rather than the sometimes YEARS it takes to figure some of this stuff out.

              Hey Marcus

              mate you are right.. I did get you wrong

              though remember we from down under do read what you guys type Up Side Down

              Keep this in mind when posting to us Aussies

              cheers

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            • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
              Originally Posted by Corwinnx View Post

              Michelle, not at all. I understood your implication. I just wanted to include that as I wasn't saying that any of us should just jump and say, "hey, I'll mentor you." I posted about that issue in another thread earlier where someone wasted something like three hours of their time mentoring someone for free and the 'pupil' did nothing. I commented that this is the reason that coaches/mentors SHOULD charge for their time, so the only person who's time is 'wasted' if they take no action, is theirs.

              Pete, dude, I think ya got me all wrong. What I was trying to address is that some people really have NO idea where to start. IM isn't a 'business', it's an INDUSTRY. There is A LOT to learn and a mentor can provide focus and direction. That being said, if someone were willing to pay me $14,000, I would get on a plane, fly to wherever they lived, and spend two weeks in a hotel with Wireless Internet Access and hold their hand step by step. And if they made $28,000 from what I taught them, they did it in two weeks rather than the sometimes YEARS it takes to figure some of this stuff out.

              As for asking questions on a forum, that was the reason I suggested a mentoring forum. Let those who ARE willing to TRULY mentor (free or for a price) post that they are and give the newbies willing to spend the money a place to just find them.

              Think about it in our own terms. Almost all of the 'information' we SELL, can be found for free if someone is willing to do the research. The reason they 'BUY' something that's free is because they don't want to spend a lot of time on said research.

              The same thing applies. If I wanted to buy a company that manufactures plastic serving dishes, would I want to spend years learning about the processes? No. I would expect, as is very common in the world of buying and selling businesses, that the person selling the businesses would stay on and mentor me for at least 6 months to teach me the business. My alternative to this would be to spend years learning the ins and outs of the business and trying to START my own company.

              Because when you get right down to it, the business of business, is business. And the best businessmen/businesswomen (have to be PC nowadays) know that if the shortest distance between any two points is a straight line, then it would make sense to pay a premium for a pre-built business that offers training/mentorship/etc.

              A final thought on the subject: Although the vast majority of folks enter this business because of it's low-start up costs and excellent cost-to-profit ratios, not everyone chooses IM because they are broke, poor or destitute. Savvy business people are seeing opportunity in the web and are willing to pay for the shortest route possible to make it a profitable business for them.

              Remember, the two main reasons most businesses fail is lack of planning and lack of funding. So if an experienced business person has money to invest in a good mentor, there should be a place where they can find one, without being called out for not doing trying to figure it all out for themselves.

              -Marcus
              It sounds to me as though you would make an excellent mentor yourself. You seem to have a super grasp

              I also think the idea of a mentoring forum is cool

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  • Profile picture of the author Chipt
    Perhaps just a few thoughts here for your consideration...

    1. If English, one of the most complicated languages in the world with its nuances and intricacies, is your second language you are trying to learn... that in itself is a very daunting task for many...

    2. If you're brand new to IM and/or brand new to 'forums' ... there is definitely a learning curve and netiquette to be anticipated, learned, experienced, and 'polished'...

    3. If you might even be frustrated with all the IM stuff, when combined with #1 and #2 above... and you're just excited, ready to figure it out, and itching to get going... wow that can be a perplexing and even aggravating set of circumstances to endure.

    Or maybe I just have a special grace for the noobs because I remember so well what it felt like to be one, and to feel abandoned on the mach-3 Interstate/Autobahn of the World... the Internet... [unless of course I was willing to shell out multiple thousands of dollars for some 'coaching' deal to the IMmers who all said that their way was The Way...]

    So if some people we see here look like 'lost kids wandering around a massive shopping center looking for directions,' maybe we can have the same compassion for them as we wanted for ourselves when we were baby noobs, and the same heart for them we would for our own kids if they were 'lost.'

    I just believe we should never forget 'where we came from.'

    A little food for thought -

    Chip Tarver
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Hey Chip, on a different note - is that you on the drums? I'm a drummer too. Nice to see other members with more than IM in common.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chipt
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        Hey Chip, on a different note - is that you on the drums? I'm a drummer too. Nice to see other members with more than IM in common.


        Hey, Andy -

        Cool...

        Yep -- that's me in my monkey suit on a set of Roland V-Drums playing at our annual Celebration production at Church that we do every December for thousands of locals.

        Yo - we both know that drummers have a special connection to the world that others just don't have, too -- right?



        Rock on MacDaddy -

        Chip

        PS -- We have a kickin' professional drummer who plays a really nice accoustic set in the regular Sunday services, so I set my Rolands to 'Latin Persussion' [drum set #39] and play congas, etc. in the services...]
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        • Profile picture of the author Elevoution
          Good Post. Mentorship and instruction is something that undoubtebly has value and could not only fasttrack somebody to success, but could even be the deciding factor in estabishing a rewarding business.

          The problem is that Mentorship, instructions, and seminars are marketed in the typical way and let's face it, do not always live up to expectations.

          If there was a section on the warrior forum for this type of thing it would potentally become "regulated", as any charlatans would soon fail in this environment.

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        • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
          Originally Posted by Chipt View Post

          Hey, Andy -

          Cool...

          Yep -- that's me in my monkey suit on a set of Roland V-Drums playing at our annual Celebration production at Church that we do every December for thousands of locals.
          I noticed they were v-drums, I used to have a set of Rolands myself - they're the most versatile electronic drums I've found. I also have two other electronic kits and a Tama acoustic set.

          I considered doing some learn drumming videos but never got around to it yet.

          Nice to see you out there playing.
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          • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
            Andy

            Maybe you and Chip can get together and produce

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            A Mentoring Forum sounds good as long as people understand the ground rules. You have to work together. Being passive is not an option if people want to get the most out of mentoring.

            The idea of a mentor is to make you more responsible to yourself for your choices and actions, to empower you.

            We pay surgeons a lot of money because they have the skills to change our lives. A good mentor can also help you to change your life so they should be paid accordingly. Don't think of the fee as a lump sum, think of it as an investment in your education of a dollar a day for the next 20 years.

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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

            I noticed they were v-drums, I used to have a set of Rolands myself - they're the most versatile electronic drums I've found. I also have two other electronic kits and a Tama acoustic set.

            I considered doing some learn drumming videos but never got around to it yet.

            Nice to see you out there playing.
            Ordered my new Tama kit 2 weeks ago. Can't wait til it gets here Currently have a 30 year old Pearl kit. Seen better days...also have an old Simmons electronic kit. Have not played it in about 8 years though.

            Anyway...

            I think the idea of a mentoring forum could have legs. I understand the power of having mentors. Even after 5 years doing this, I STILL have mentors. Always will. There's always stuff to learn.

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            • Profile picture of the author Chipt
              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

              Ordered my new Tama kit 2 weeks ago. Can't wait til it gets here Currently have a 30 year old Pearl kit. Seen better days...also have an old Simmons electronic kit. Have not played it in about 8 years though.

              Anyway...

              I think the idea of a mentoring forum could have legs. I understand the power of having mentors. Even after 5 years doing this, I STILL have mentors. Always will. There's always stuff to learn.

              Mike

              Hey, Mike -

              Back in the day I had a nice 5-pc. Slingerland set and a really nice set of all Zildjians [sp?], and my cymbals were worth WAY MORE than my drums were.

              And we could rock like there was no tomorrow, too [hey, it was the 70's]



              If I were going to order a new accoustic set [I have a Roland digital set at home now] I think I'd take a hard look at DWs from what I've seen and read about them...

              I'm not familiar with Tamas... what helped you decide on them?

              Chip
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            • Profile picture of the author bthurman
              Marcus,

              Thanks from a newbie for the great thread. I am one who would be willing to pay
              in return for a mentor program. I'm sure that if I added up all the funds I have
              spent for various ebooks and membership sites I could have already paid for a
              great mentorship program. I believe most of us start out the same way by spending
              loads of money on every program we see just knowing that this will be the one that
              really does show us the way to the pot of gold. Now don't get me wrong, I am sure
              most of these products really do have value, however, I am just not at a stage where
              I feel confident or knowledgeable enough to implement them.

              My hope is that everyone who is interested and willing to do something like this will
              consider it and agree to set up some sort of mentor program.

              Thanks,
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