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14 years ago

Based on a really quick survey of the front page results for 'gold chains', I think it's going to take a fair bit of time and patience, as well as a great deal of work.

Many of the top ten are established sites, most of them over 5 years old. Many have hundreds of links to the individual page and thousands of links to the domain, giving them a great deal of credibility for that phrase.

My bet is that you'll have a hard time ranking on the first page any time soon with your plan.

You may want to drill deeper and move further out on the long tail. The 'Related Searches' at the bottom of the page will give you a start.

Until you get out on that long tail, the number of results (with or withot quotes) is not much of an indicator of what it takes to reach the front page. Even then, it's a quick 'n' dirty approximation compared to examining the actual competition...

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affiliatepro222

14 years ago

has to be pretty search engine optimized for that, and even if it is I think it's gonna take some time, it is a pretty broad keyword

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born2drv

14 years ago

how long are you guys thinking? like a year? more?

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JohnMcCabe 14 years ago

Originally Posted by born2drv

how long are you guys thinking? like a year? more?

Probably more, if ever. The folks you'll be competing with have a huge head start on you, and they won't be standing still, waiting for you to catch up...

With just about any competitive endeavor, and playing the SEO game for money is definitely a competitive endeavor, you don't start by challenging the world champion. You test yourself against increasing levels of competition as your skills increase.
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mnonline

14 years ago

Try to optimize your site. write more articles to your site. The more the better. Google love sites with lots of contents. Submit your site to ping directories, feedburners....Jumpstart it with ppc campaign. It will get noticed more quickly.

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ElMundodelExito

14 years ago

Like John said it would be better to move further out on the long tail.
The first 10 look pretty strong ones. Since your site is new you cannot spam it too quick. I would say at least 6 month with high page rank links.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Article directories are not the greatest links. Even the high-PR ones. Because they're not really contextually relevant. If you get large numbers of articles syndicated on relevant authority sites, that's a different matter. Those backlinks are very valuable indeed. But that requires a whole range of skills and a slightly different approach from what you've outlined above.

In short: the quantity of your "competition" doesn't matter; its quality matters very much.

I think article directories can give you a good link power but you have to do some link building to your articles as well. And submitting your articles to article directories is the easiest way to get your articles syndicated by relevant websites or blogs as the sites that has noting to do with your niche will not be really interested in syndicating them.

Also to get some more links to your site is to come up with something clever on your site that would act as a link bait. If the idea is good and it is done properly it can give you thousands of links and lot of publicity with minimum afford at your part.

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tylerdrun

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Just so you know, these two facts aren't actually relevant. (Yes, I know a lot of people say they are, and it's become "conventional wisdom" to believe it, but I'm afraid that doesn't make it true).

If you want to rank your site on the front page of Google for that keyword, what's relevant is the quality of the sites that rank there now. Those are the ones you have to equal or beat with your SEO.

Whether there are 5,000 or 50,000 or 500,000 or 5,000,000 after them doesn't change that.

You need to look, in detail, at the first 5 (or so) sites listed for that keyword and analyse in detail how they got there. How old are they? What page-rank do they have? How many backlinks do they have? What other SEO have they done? Are many of their backlinks contextually relevant from other good sites, and so on. (I'm guessing they will be). You can't answer your question without learning how to do all this.

(Also bear in mind you may not be the only one trying during the period that you're trying!).

Article directories are not the greatest links. Even the high-PR ones. Because they're not really contextually relevant. If you get large numbers of articles syndicated on relevant authority sites, that's a different matter. Those backlinks are very valuable indeed. But that requires a whole range of skills and a slightly different approach from what you've outlined above.

In short: the quantity of your "competition" doesn't matter; its quality matters very much.

This is what you must understand. And most of this information is being sold in expensive programs(although it does have a lot more than this)...

if you were to go after that keyword, you'd need a proper plan in place.

- syndicating your articles will work well if you're willing to keep going on until your rank.

- i submit my articles to 400 article syndication sites and it really helps my seo efforts. i also do it for others for an extremely cheap price (monthly).

the key is in your anchor links. anchor links carry the most weight. Syndicating it to these article directories alone is not enough. You also need to gain links from relevant authority sites via guest blogging and blog commenting. But you shouldn't spam for it.

The key lies in analyzing your competitior. Take the top 5 and see where they are getting the links from.

Choose one to compete with. Find out their link sources and do what they have done to get links.

Even if the site has 1000s of links, you can build links from all those sites linking to it in under a month. Building excessive links will not get you banned, period. If you outsource it to a filipiono, pay him $350-$400 monthly to do the work.

They could even do the link building faster and reduce it to one or two weeks.

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Joel Gray

14 years ago

You can get a page one Google ranking for that keyword phrase, you just need to start building or buying as many backlinks as you can get each month, keep your site updated and make sure your meta data is good. Get into a SEO routine where you do something to promote your site each day and you will see SERP improvement.

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inter123 14 years ago

The sites on the first page are dominated by web pages with page rank of 4 and 5. It could be worse, these sites could have PR 6 or 7. But still, it requires lots of time and effort and many months with no income as you build the website and its credability.

You would be better of starting with keywords in a related niche that have pages with PR 0 or n/a. They would be easier to rank and then could work to build on the main keyword.

As for domain name, if you plan on cracking "gold chains" in the long term, I would get a domain which contains these words.
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jaxrefinance

14 years ago

Perhaps you can use keyword phrases like 14" gold chains, gold chains for women etc.... basic plain gold chains is going to be tough and take a loooooooooong time to get ranked.

Longer tailed keyword phrases as has been suggested is your best bet if you are going to head into this arena.

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by born2drv

Hi, I just wanted a rough idea... how competitive would you say getting first page of google for "Gold Chains" is?

If I'm trying to rank a new website... and I submit 1 article every day to SEO LinkVine, Ezinearticles and Blogger themed around gold chains with links to the site, how long do you think it would take to get to the first page?

Gold Chains has 5,950,000 results matching right now. "Gold Chains" with quotes has 704,000 results matching.

I think John has it right:

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Based on a really quick survey of the front page results for 'gold chains', I think it's going to take a fair bit of time and patience, as well as a great deal of work.

Many of the top ten are established sites, most of them over 5 years old. Many have hundreds of links to the individual page and thousands of links to the domain, giving them a great deal of credibility for that phrase.

My bet is that you'll have a hard time ranking on the first page any time soon with your plan.

Rather than to answer your question directly, let me propose an alternative way of conquering your goal.

My favorite example is the travel industry...

When people want to go on vacation, what do they actually type into Google or another search engine? Do they type in "travel"? Certainly not... The only people who are searching with the term "travel" alone are people who are doing research, but even we are not happy with what we find...

Searching for "travel" in Google yields the home pages of ten corporate giants, who spend millions of dollars to advertise... And if you visit those home pages, they are going to show you their current specials and navigation information for the site, because when you are landing on those corporate pages, even the travel sites have no idea what you are looking to find...

So you want to go on vacation, eh?

Where do you want to go?

You may be open to suggestions, but even you have an idea where you want to go...

If I were thinking on it now, I would be looking at Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas and Texas, because I don't want to be in the car with the kids for more than a day and a half, and I don't want to put the kids on an airplane...

So chances are, I will qualify my search with other keywords... "Arkansas travel"

Still, that is not going to give me really specific ideas... But it will hook me up to official tourism sites for the State of Arkansas and it will link me to a couple of commercial sites optimized for Arkansas travel...

This is great for research, and it may give me some ideas closer to what I want...

I note that the State of Arkansas website has a link that is called, Things To Do... That is an idea... So I check that out, then I search Google for "things to do in Arkansas"...

Each consequential search is going to let me narrow the field a bit, to drill down to what I actually want to know about Arkansas travel and the destinations I will choose for my next vacation...

All search follows the same process...

Your future clients do not necessarily want "gold chains"...

They want the perfect gift item for themselves or a friend...

People are going to narrow their search criteria to find more specifically what they really want...

This is the secret to positioning your website to be there when your customer want to find you...

People may start their search with "gold chains", but often they will narrow their search by narrowing their search criteria...

Think:

* gold chain necklaces
* gold chain bracelets
* gold chain gift necklaces
* gold engagement gifts

Think like your customer, when they are drilling down into what they really are searching to find...

You likely don't have the budget to rank for "gold chains", but you may be able to rank for all of those long-tail keywords that your competitors think are a waste of resources...

If your competitors are ignoring the long-tail keywords, then you would be well-positioned to rank at the top for all of the deep search keywords...

This will be more cost-effective for you, and it could allow you to win more customers on fewer searches...

The important thing is that you are making money, not that you are outranking your big competitors...

But the beauty is that you can use your domination of the long-tail keywords to secure more long-tail keywords that your competitors are ignoring, to ensure that you can capture those people who are using the search engines to search deep...

You can beat your competitors simply by aiming for the weaknesses that your competitors are demonstrating... More millionaires have been made on this strategy than any other strategy -- finding what the competition is doing badly, and filling the niche...

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JohnMcCabe 14 years ago

Piggy-backing on Bill's post, you can also look for the "side doors" that can put people on your 'gold chains' site.

As a matter of fact, I did buy a gold chain a couple of years ago. But the words 'gold chain' never appeared in my search process. What I was looking for was 'alternatives to neckties' for formal night on a cruise we were taking.

One of the pages I looked at had a shirt with a simple upright collar and a tasteful gold chain. I like the look, followed the affiliate links, and bought the shirt and the chain.

It still circles back to what I was actually looking for. Figure out what those things are for your market, rank for them, provide good content, and you won't need first page ranking for generic phrases with tons of competition.
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ebizman87

14 years ago

I'm just too tired seeing the same questions being asked almost 2-3 times continuously ever week. There're plenty of good threads related to Article Marketing here and if the OP is willing to search around the forum, he'll get it

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ebizman87

I'm just too tired seeing the same questions being asked almost 2-3 times continuously ever week. There're plenty of good threads related to Article Marketing here and if the OP is willing to search around the forum, he'll get it

Ah... Party pooper... LOL

If people stop asking the same questions again and again, then where are you and I going to post our brilliant and well-thought-out answers?

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ebizman87

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Ah... Party pooper... LOL

If people stop asking the same questions again and again, then where are you and I going to post our brilliant and well-thought-out answers?

LOL...Let me share some ideas to answer the OP's question

Well I'm not sure this will DIRECTLY help the OP or not, but I found this thread as one of the best tips that I have received on Article MARKETING:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...one-place.html

and here's a couple of excellent SEO/Article Marketing threads that I found useful

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ion-101-a.html

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...imization.html

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ebizman87

LOL...Let me share some ideas to answer the OP's question

Well I'm not sure this will DIRECTLY help the OP or not, but I found this thread as one of the best tips that I have received on Article MARKETING:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...one-place.html

and here's a couple of excellent SEO/Article Marketing threads that I found useful

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ion-101-a.html

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...imization.html

Great threads one-and-all... But from my own perspective, none fully answer all the questions people may have on the topic...

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Tina Golden

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ebizman87

I'm just too tired seeing the same questions being asked almost 2-3 times continuously ever week. There're plenty of good threads related to Article Marketing here and if the OP is willing to search around the forum, he'll get it

You would have thought that when you saw the title, you would have skipped this thread instead of wasting your time responding.:rolleyes:

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ebizman87 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

You would have thought that when you saw the title, you would have skipped this thread instead of wasting your time responding.:rolleyes:

Tina

Yes, that's what I thought initially but I'm advising the OP to do more search here to get the answers for his questions.
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- Tina Golden 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ebizman87
  
  Yes, that's what I thought initially but I'm advising the OP to do more search here to get the answers for his questions.
  
  I do understand where you're coming from but it is doubtful that he would have had the specific question answered. But those are very useful threads that you posted above and good for anyone who wants to learn more about article marketing.
  
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Pete Egeler

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ebizman87

I'm just too tired seeing the same questions being asked almost 2-3 times continuously ever week. There're plenty of good threads related to Article Marketing here and if the OP is willing to search around the forum, he'll get it

So? What's your point?

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born2drv

14 years ago

Thanks to everyone who replied. I Guess I'll focus on some more long tail keywords containing my main 2-word keyword and try to just rank on those initially and work my way up...

One more question while I got the microphone.....

I also happen to have 1 of the sites on the first page of Google for "Gold Chains", but it's for my old domain (almost 10 years old) that I'm changing business names for to my new domain that I want to promote.

So should I 301 redirect that domain to the new domain? Or does that risk losing all the links, link juice and pagerank that the existing website has? Should I just be happy and use the old name and try to get it to rank #1?

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by born2drv

Should I 301 redirect that domain to the new domain? Or does that risk losing all the links, link juice and pagerank that the existing website has? Should I just be happy and use the old name and try to get it to rank #1?

The link value and the link popularity will pass to your new site from the old site if you do use the 301 redirect...

Google has always said that, and I have tested it...

Google is right that the 301 will allow you to redirect link popularity and pagerank to your new site...

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jeba1975

14 years ago

I think it is waste of time to optimize for this keyword. Do keyword research. Find low competition long tail buyer keywords and get top rank in google in a month

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Alchemium

14 years ago

I think drilling deeper is the best solution here.

Originally Posted by born2drv

Hi, I just wanted a rough idea... how competitive would you say getting first page of google for "Gold Chains" is?

If I'm trying to rank a new website... and I submit 1 article every day to SEO LinkVine, Ezinearticles and Blogger themed around gold chains with links to the site, how long do you think it would take to get to the first page?

Gold Chains has 5,950,000 results matching right now. "Gold Chains" with quotes has 704,000 results matching.

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imMindset 14 years ago

Don't let the fact that there are authority sites on the first page scare you away. ALWAYS do your research. Remember, SEO is VERY counter-intuitive. I used to get intimidated by high PR sites ranking in the top positions for the keywords I was trying to optimize for. Now I have PR 0-1 sites beating out many so called authority sites across multiple niches for very competitive keywords.

Look at what's going on behind the scenes by using tools like Market Samurai Competition, or SEO Spyglass (free). This will give you a good indication as to the anchor text they are using for a specific keyword. Just because they are ranking very high for a specific keyword, doesn't mean that they have a lot of links pointing to their site with that specific anchor text. Also look at the quality of those links, and what the average range is of the page PR links for the keyword you're trying to optimize for. This should give you a fairly good indication as to what you're up against.

In your case, the keyword gold chains is very competitive as many people have pointed out. That is their primary keyword. So yes, it will take you a very long time, as well as resources to get there. Use the Google Keyword tool to look for alternative keywords people are typing in with good search volume. You'll find a lot of highly targeted long tail keywords. You should also look at other factors such as the CPC to get an idea of the commercial intent.

Another thing I'd recommend is registering a domain with exact keyword you're trying to optimize for. I cannot emphasize how much weight Google gives to sites that have the exact keyword in the domain. I've seen it time and time again with my own sites , and within days of being indexed they're ranking within the top 3-5 pages.

Anyway good luck with your endeavor!
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Hoopatang

14 years ago

Here's what MarketSamurai is giving me for "gold chains".

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DA- domain age
PR- google's PR for this page
IC- google's # of pages indexed for this site
BLP- backlinks to this page
BLD- backlinks to the domain itself
DMZ- if the site's listed in Dmoz
YAH- if the site's listed (paid) in Yahoo search
the rest - SEO optimization in those areas on the page

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