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If the WSO Section Was a Weight Loss Forum...

by Nick Brighton
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It would probably look like this:

"How to lose 18lbs in 2 days... without dieting"

"Get my fat burning system that forces you to eat hamburgers and nothing else"

"Shocking System: FAT 400lbs heart attack victim reveals secret to six pack abs eating his favourite foods... and without any exercise"

"NO exercise, NO diet, NO mental shift... how to get a perfect supermodel body in 10 days or less"

I think that something needs to be done over there, it used to be such a cool part of this forum. What do you think?
#forum #loss #section #weight #wso
  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    You hit the nail on the head.

    Completely awesome thread, I'm laughing out loud right now. LOL.

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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I think it is more a reflection of the WSO-buyers mentality than the WF credibility...

    If you talk to the people who offer WSO's, there is a grudging acknowledgment of the fact that people do not buy stuff that will help them develop a long-term, viable business model...

    The WSO-sellers, almost without fail, suggest that through their testing, WSO-buyers will only buy the hype, while the good products sit unsold...

    So the WSO-sellers have started to give people what they want, rather than what they need...
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      I think it is more a reflection of the WSO-buyers mentality than the WF credibility...

      If you talk to the people who offer WSO's, there is a grudging acknowledgment of the fact that people do not buy stuff that will help them develop a long-term, viable business model...

      The WSO-sellers, almost without fail, suggest that through their testing, WSO-buyers will only buy the hype, while the good products sit unsold...

      So the WSO-sellers have started to give people what they want, rather than what they need...
      You have hit the nail on the head. I can't count how many straight forward offers I have that require a few hours of work (and we admit it upfront) that not only don't sell but get replies from people saying they want something more push button, auto pilot or set and forget.

      Something has to give in the WSO section sooner or later. Maybe the FTC needs to descend on it and start investigating the outrageous claims.

      We are training a generation of warriors to think IM is easy, unlike real business which is hard. The truth is even those of us who are full time in IM don't have auto pilot businesses.

      The buyers of these products have 0 attention span and are always moving on to the next shiny offer. I coach some of these people and it's amazing where their heads are when you talk to them. They really believe they just need one more piece of the puzzle to make them rich overnight.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gary King
        Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

        I think that something needs to be done over there, it used to be such a cool part of this forum. What do you think?
        And the offers roll off of page 1 within hours many times. But how do you police that, you know?

        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        I think it is more a reflection of the WSO-buyers mentality than the WF credibility...

        So the WSO-sellers have started to give people what they want, rather than what they need...
        Right on TPW...
        Try selling pizza coupons to people leaving an all you can eat buffet. Probably won't have a lot of takers - sell them AlkaSeltzer and you may have a hit.


        Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

        The buyers of these products have 0 attention span and are always moving on to the next shiny offer. I coach some of these people and it's amazing where their heads are when you talk to them. They really believe they just need one more piece of the puzzle to make them rich overnight.
        Isn't this sort of the mentality as a society now? Kids (and adults) sit in a room and text each other instead of talking.

        People will be at a family gathering, party, etc. and instead of participating, they are off in a corner playing with their damn phone. Drives me crazy.

        You gotta sell what sells though, right?
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        • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
          I buy lots of WSOs regularly, big claims are FINE by me as long as they are genuine.

          If someone makes a $1 million a year from IM and is running a WSO, I would rather know about this piece of information than not.

          I would rather buy a WSO from someone who genuinely makes a $1 million/year online rather than someone who just got started recently.

          If they are both restricted to not mentioning any figures how will I as a buyer make an informed decision?

          So the real issue is not the claims, but PROOF of those claims.

          In my experience I have never gone wrong when someone has shown VIDEO proof, of them logging into their various accounts to prove their claimed income/traffic etc.

          The WSOs I can't stand are those from people making wild claims, but don't provide a shred of evidence to support their claims.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by oneplusone View Post

            So the real issue is not the claims, but PROOF of those claims.

            In my experience I have never gone wrong when someone has shown VIDEO proof, of them logging into their various accounts to prove their claimed income/traffic etc.

            The WSOs I can't stand are those from people making wild claims, but don't provide a shred of evidence to support their claims.
            Proof can be faked...

            As well, Video Proof can be faked too            , although it takes more effort...

            You didn't honestly believe that Keanu Reeves could fly like Superman in the Matrix did you? LOL Just kidding the movie magic, but not about the rest...
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            • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              Proof can be faked...

              As well, Video Proof can be faked too              , although it takes more effort...

              You didn't honestly believe that Keanu Reeves could fly like Superman in the Matrix did you? LOL Just kidding the movie magic, but not about the rest...
              Yes video proof can be faked, but it is MUCH harder to do as you say.

              But my post is correct, if someone makes a large amount of money online they should use it in their marketing - it not only increases their sales but gives buyers like myself extra information to make an informed decision on.

              I want to buy WSOs from people who make a lot of money online, not from chancers who haven't made any money online but have a head full of "theory".
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              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                Originally Posted by oneplusone View Post

                Yes video proof can be faked, but it is MUCH harder to do as you say.

                But my post is correct, if someone makes a large amount of money online they should use it in their marketing - it not only increases their sales but gives buyers like myself extra information to make an informed decision on.

                I want to buy WSOs from people who make a lot of money online, not from chancers who haven't made any money online but have a head full of "theory".
                I have made more than half a million dollars online in the last ten years... But that does not mean people want to buy my WSO's, because my methods require actual work... And my methods do not promise get-rick-quick...
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                • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
                  Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                  I have made more than half a million dollars online in the last ten years... But that does not mean people want to buy my WSO's, because my methods require actual work... And my methods do not promise get-rick-quick...
                  Darn! I would only buy a WSO where the guy takes action and gives me a portion of the profits......

                  Wait what? That doesn't sound right? Of course work is required for everything, and products that promise otherwise, are either a once in a lifetime, or not true.

                  I'm going to go with the second one most of the time.

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                • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
                  Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                  I have made more than half a million dollars online in the last ten years... But that does not mean people want to buy my WSO's, because my methods require actual work... And my methods do not promise get-rick-quick...
                  I agree, there is always a percentage of the population who don't want to do any work in every area of life - they just want quick results.

                  Unfortunately these are the same people who come back onto forums like these when reality finally hits home - and then they start threads saying they have been at it 2-3 years with little or no results.

                  A pity really, if they had put hard work in and built a solid business instead of hopping from opportunity to opportunity with no real commitment they would have probably succeeded.

                  I myself run a solid online business and make 6 figures a year, I buy WSOs for gold nuggets, tactics etc, like you I'm wise enough to know about the true reality of things.
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              • Profile picture of the author BishopMartin
                Originally Posted by oneplusone View Post

                Yes video proof can be faked, but it is MUCH harder to do as you say.

                But my post is correct, if someone makes a large amount of money online they should use it in their marketing - it not only increases their sales but gives buyers like myself extra information to make an informed decision on.

                I want to buy WSOs from people who make a lot of money online, not from chancers who haven't made any money online but have a head full of "theory".
                What if they make a million dollars a year selling WSOs that tell people how to make a million dollars a year building made for AdSense or thin affiliate sites?

                What if they make a million dollars a year selling motivational tapes that tell people how they can make a million dollars a year selling MLM products?

                The fact that someone claims they make a lot of money is a poor metric to use to judge a product.

                It sounds like you are trying to buy your way into making money...
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                  • Profile picture of the author BishopMartin
                    Originally Posted by dannyadams View Post

                    Man that's another great line. Should be a sticky as well.

                    I say that all the time. Just because Donal Trump is a billionaire doesn't mean that if I go out and read "Art Of A Deal" cover to cover I'll be a billionaire too.

                    It is a great book though.

                    Great post.
                    Exactly.. If you decide your niche is organic farming, is your money better spent buying a book by John Deere called 'how to make a million dollars planting organic tomatoes" or a bunch of seeds you actually need to get started.

                    Everyone knows that John Deere made his millions selling tractors, not tomatoes, so most people would pass up that book.. Problem is most folks don't realize people selling IM systems/secrets make most of their money selling IM systems/secrets, not using those systems/secrets.

                    There are always exceptions, and there are lots of good software/services in the WSO as well, dont get me wrong.. Thats just my take on things..
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              • Profile picture of the author Matthew Iannotti
                Originally Posted by oneplusone View Post

                Yes video proof can be faked, but it is MUCH harder to do as you say.

                But my post is correct, if someone makes a large amount of money online they should use it in their marketing - it not only increases their sales but gives buyers like myself extra information to make an informed decision on.

                I want to buy WSOs from people who make a lot of money online, not from chancers who haven't made any money online but have a head full of "theory".
                Just because someone has made money online does not mean their product will. It also does not mean you can duplicate their success.

                Generally, what most people like to do is this. Once their method no longer works ie; saturation, whatever the case, they sell the method off claiming it made them $xxxx (which could be true, maybe they did make that much, maybe not). However, the buyer generally gets the short end of the stick...99% of the time.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
        Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

        We are training a generation of warriors to think IM is easy, unlike real business which is hard. The truth is even those of us who are full time in IM don't have auto pilot businesses.
        This is exactly why I hate "systems".

        People want the glory without the work..:confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        They dont realise things require action.

        i have had 200 people buy my report and one of them made 10k their first week of implementing it... however 80% will never make a dime... it doesnt matter if you hand them the keys to the entire kingdom.


        Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

        You have hit the nail on the head. I can't count how many straight forward offers I have that require a few hours of work (and we admit it upfront) that not only don't sell but get replies from people saying they want something more push button, auto pilot or set and forget.

        Something has to give in the WSO section sooner or later. Maybe the FTC needs to descend on it and start investigating the outrageous claims.

        We are training a generation of warriors to think IM is easy, unlike real business which is hard. The truth is even those of us who are full time in IM don't have auto pilot businesses.

        The buyers of these products have 0 attention span and are always moving on to the next shiny offer. I coach some of these people and it's amazing where their heads are when you talk to them. They really believe they just need one more piece of the puzzle to make them rich overnight.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Coleman
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post


      The WSO-sellers, almost without fail, suggest that through their testing, WSO-buyers will only buy the hype, while the good products sit unsold...
      Hopefully WSO creators will follow the hype with a solid product. The WSO sellers I respect, and buy from, do this. Get my attention with some clever copywriting, but deliver a great product behind the hype.

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      • Profile picture of the author jazbo
        The problem is that I see rubbish getting lots of attention and selling in there, while I see the great products often being ignored.

        Originally Posted by Paul Coleman View Post

        Hopefully WSO creators will follow the hype with a solid product. The WSO sellers I respect, and buy from, do this. Get my attention with some clever copywriting, but deliver a great product behind the hype.

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        • Profile picture of the author Matthew Iannotti
          Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

          The problem is that I see rubbish getting lots of attention and selling in there, while I see the great products often being ignored.

          I don't understand how someone creating a WSO that has you making cold calls or sending emails seem genius? Businesses been doing that FOREVER...Nothing new, or fancy about that. I see comments like it's the best thing since sliced bread.

          I think "Geez, do these people live under a rock?".

          I've learned one thing, one of my favorite quotes:

          "Just think how dumb the average person is, and 50% of them are even dumber than that."

          - George Carlin
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          • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
            Originally Posted by EfitnessNYC View Post

            I don't understand how someone creating a WSO that has you making cold calls or sending emails seem genius? Businesses been doing that FOREVER...Nothing new, or fancy about that. I see comments like it's the best thing since sliced bread.

            I think "Geez, do these people live under a rock?".

            I've learned one thing, one of my favorite quotes:

            "Just think how dumb the average person is, and 50% of them are even dumber than that."

            - George Carlin
            There's very little new about any of this stuff. But people who are new to it still have to learn it from somewhere. Calling them "dumb" just because they haven't learned it yet is a bit harsh.
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          • Profile picture of the author dremora
            Originally Posted by EfitnessNYC View Post

            I don't understand how someone creating a WSO that has you making cold calls or sending emails seem genius? Businesses been doing that FOREVER...Nothing new, or fancy about that. I see comments like it's the best thing since sliced bread.

            I think "Geez, do these people live under a rock?"
            Much worse. They live in grandma's basement playing video games all day.

            Second hand book stores are full of books on cold calling and direct mail.
            Gary Halbert newsletter archive is free.
            People post free cold calling and direct mail scripts right here on the WF.

            I buy wso's to learn the latest techniques. I bought only 3 wso's and 2 of them were top notch material. I'm implementing one on long term and the other one did some amazing wonders. The 3rd was nice creative and decent material but I didn't have the time to implement (used the wso indirectly for ideas though). Of the best 2 wso's, I bought one by word of mouth (few of my friends talked highly of it) and the other based on the high quality of its author's free reports. I am extremely picky with WSO's, I interview the authors and the people who bought them, and search other forums for honest feedback. I also use the infos in the wso's for my offline business and new ideas, not directly for making money- I implement things I learn from the WSO, add my own ideas to it and market it to offline clients as a service. That's what most of my friends do as well -buy IM WSO's and use the ideas and techniques on their offline business.

            But a lot of wso customers these days behave like gambling-drug addicts and pathalogical impulse buyers looking for the next magic bullet. This is just sad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Davis
    It sounds like the National Enquirer of Weight Loss. Maybe that would make for a good news stand product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    Its a microcosm of the overall IM business.

    Look at some of these current IM and Clickbank offers:
    "Teenager makes $260,000 (or whatever) In Just Two Weeks, And Can Bearly Spell"

    Some of the best-selling products on CLKBNK are highly questionable stuff like this.
    WSO forum just imitates the bigger market, imo.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChickenMan
    Yup, it's like a ton of crappy products with several good products far in between. I wish it was moderated as well as the WR
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  • Profile picture of the author Gclunis
    It's a sad shame really. I am about to start getting into WSO's (very soon) and I hate the idea of having to give in to this trend in order to see sales. I would much rather be able to create something of actual value and make money off of that because then I can at least feel good about myself.

    Out of principle I don't think I will be giving in..if I launch something that's good and it doesn't sell then so be it I guess..but I'd rather not stoop to that level of hyped up crap
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    Some interesting replies.

    Personally, I don't think an informed or wise decision can be based on how much money somebody else made, regardless of how they made it, or how fast.

    Secondly, I think that if people can't smell the bull**** in many claims being made on that forum, then I seriously hope they never get lured into a casino or a drug dealer's house.

    I mean, the buyers of these claims must get totally savaged by time share sellers on the beaches of their favourite holiday resort. They must be paying astronomical medical bills, insurance policies and mortgage prices.

    They must be getting battered by each commercial break inbetween their favourite TV shows, and truly wounded by those pesky late night telephone calls that keep telling them they've won something special.

    Or maybe because it's on the internet, and written down, and by a guy/gal who has 350 post count, that they're immune in this area?

    Who knows. Maybe it's bitter desperation, fuelling itself over and over by each past lie and failure.

    Whilst there's no easy solution, one idea that could fly is to have a word censorship in the titles (can be done automatically.) This could include words that inherently associate with hype.

    It could push people to be more creative. It could clean up the aesthetics too.

    It could just force people to explain what they're actually selling, heaven forbid.

    This is done on many advertising platforms (facebook a prime example) and it clearly works.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    "NO exercise, NO diet, NO mental shift... how to get a perfect supermodel body in 10 days or less"

    I really want this one, Nick. How much is it????
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary King
      Originally Posted by Rose Anderson View Post

      "NO exercise, NO diet, NO mental shift... how to get a perfect supermodel body in 10 days or less"

      I really want this one, Nick. How much is it????
      rose
      Sorry Rose, I bought all the copies with PLR.

      The good news is that I'll be repackaging it as 5 DAYS vs 10.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Iannotti
    I agree 100%! People want quick and easy, let's face it. IM is anything but quick and easy. There really are some good WSO's out there, yet the one's making some outlandish claim seem to always get most of the attention. You think people was just learn by now that nothing is quick and easy, (except if you are on 42nd street, Times Square).

    The crazy part is, when they fall flat on their face, off they go, searching for the next "big thing". It just becomes a cycle at that point. It would be funny if the WSO section showed what products the user has purchased. You would really be able to get a good laugh when you see the 19 WSO's they bought all claiming to make them rich in 3 days or less.

    I really feel like popping my head in on some WSO's and asking who is making money since they purchased that product. BUT, it's not my style to interfere on another WSO.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    I think it is the same as any sales venue, you get to trust certain sellers and you can read the thread and make up your mind based on what others are selling.

    Personally I try not to make outrageous claims in my WSO's and try to deliver quality, but I know that some of the stuff people sell in there is lightweight junk.

    I agree that it panders to the mentality of some of the people buying, those chasing the dream believe the crap, while those making the money are those buying the hidden gems in there.
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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    Haha just realized how true that was.

    BTW can you forward me the course for those weight loss books. Would appreciate it much ....lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Hoopatang
    "NO exercise, NO diet, NO mental shift... how to get a perfect supermodel body in 10 days or less"

    This infoproduct would be one sentence long.
    "Get liposuction!"

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  • Profile picture of the author jtpada
    What bugs me the most about it is that I have such a hard time distinguishing great product offers from poor ones and ultimately end up not buying a lot of those I´d like to.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by jtpada View Post

      What bugs me the most about it is that I have such a hard time distinguishing great product offers from poor ones and ultimately end up not buying a lot of those I´d like to.
      If a ten dollar report can enlighten you enough to make 20. then it wasnt a waste.
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