I am sorry but why isnt there any negative review thread

14 years ago

Hi,

You may not have noticed but there are indeed negative comments or constructive cristicism to a few products from time to time , a closer look at the review section should unearth quite a few.( I buy a fair amount of stuff on WF and I do not hesitate to share my thoughts on the products I buy good and , thankfully enough not too often, bad.

They also appear for WSO's, but due to the nature of this section, being very fast moving , someone with a product with bad reviews will tend not to bump it back to the top of the listings.So if you blink you might miss it altogether.

Now if you are looking for threads that truly bash product creators, these are strictly forbidden and if they appear are swiftly deleted by the mods. they tend to wield their ban Hammer enthusiastically in these case, so don't get any ideas !

Maybe another way to look at it is that if a product you are interested in has a lot of positive reviews and as most of them do, come with some kind of money back guarantee, then it should inform your risk assessment accordingly.

I am on many mailing list and I have avoided many turkeys by keying the product name in the review section of the Warrior forom, so much so , that it has become an instinctive move before any purchase

Hope this helps.

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Martin Avis

14 years ago

There are often negative reviews in the review section.

The problem is that the Warrior Forum has a general rule that you cannot make personal attacks on individuals and too many people are unable to keep their dislike for a product and their dislike for a marketer separate.

Many threads or posts are deleted because they cross that line from talking about a product to bashing its creator.

When people can keep to the facts and refrain from bashing people, the mods - in the review section at least - tend to be quite fair.

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fort21

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin.Avis

There are often negative reviews in the review section.

The problem is that the Warrior Forum has a general rule that you cannot make personal attacks on individuals and too many people are unable to keep their dislike for a product and their dislike for a marketer separate.

Many threads or posts are deleted because they cross that line from talking about a product to bashing its creator.

When people can keep to the facts and refrain from bashing people, the mods - in the review section at least - tend to be quite fair.

Martin

Hi Martin,

fully agreed it will be difficult to draw the line between product and producer.

Rdgs

Originally Posted by Paul Barrs

I agree with both above..

I posted a polite, yet absolute canning of a product recently in the WSO section - the end result was the WSO owner closed the thread and eventually had it deleted completely.

In a nutshell he wasn't selling what he said he was selling.

Be honest. But be polite - and put it in the right place.

- Paul Barrs

Hi Paul,

agreed, all here are trying to excel, not to impede progress. if someone did bring down a sub standard product, it actually benefit all forumer or potential buyer. But be polite and kind is the way.

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QUOTE=Shinxware;2552554]Usually if you make a negative review you get banned[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Cathy Shelver

Thats absolutely not true, the problem is for most people it is difficult to do a review of a product without out personally attacking the product creator. (personal attacks are not allowed)

So feel free to leave honest reviews of any product insure that you are infact reviewing the product not the person

Hi Cathy,

I know the product and producer again. I hope I shall one day have the experience to review a product.

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fort21

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TPFLegionaire

Hi,

You may not have noticed but there are indeed negative comments or constructive cristicism to a few products from time to time , a closer look at the review section should unearth quite a few.( I buy a fair amount of stuff on WF and I do not hesitate to share my thoughts on the products I buy good and , thankfully enough not too often, bad.

They also appear for WSO's, but due to the nature of this section, being very fast moving , someone with a product with bad reviews will tend not to bump it back to the top of the listings.So if you blink you might miss it altogether.

Now if you are looking for threads that truly bash product creators, these are strictly forbidden and if they appear are swiftly deleted by the mods. they tend to wield their ban Hammer enthusiastically in these case, so don't get any ideas !

Maybe another way to look at it is that if a product you are interested in has a lot of positive reviews and as most of them do, come with some kind of money back guarantee, then it should inform your risk assessment accordingly.

I am on many mailing list and I have avoided many turkeys by keying the product name in the review section of the Warrior forom, so much so , that it has become an instinctive move before any purchase

Hope this helps.

Hi TPF,

as can be seen I am very new here, never harbour a thought to bash any product and may not qualify so to say. I am trying to read and grasp as much as I can from here. While trying too evaluate few products I notice that all reviews on all products are positive so where do I start, therefore I try to search hopefully to skip some inferior products to save times and monies as there are tons of product here. As mention most products are having positive reviews so I guess the "money back gteed" you mention will be helpful to make a decision.

CHeers!

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TPFLegionaire

14 years ago

Originally Posted by fort21

Hi TPF,

as can be seen I am very new here, never harbour a thought to bash any product and may not qualify so to say. I am trying to read and grasp as much as I can from here. While trying too evaluate few products I notice that all reviews on all products are positive so where do I start, therefore I try to search hopefully to skip some inferior products to save times and monies as there are tons of product here. As mention most products are having positive reviews so I guess the "money back gteed" you mention will be helpful to make a decision.

CHeers!

How about looking at it from a different angle...Why don't you focus on your objectives , for examples if you are looking to get in CPA , you would then focus your efforts in reviewing CPA related WSO and CPA related reviews.In that quest you will come accross both superior and inferior products (wich you will avoid), but as it is a focused endeavor , you will soon have all the tools and blueprint to get started and make money.

I am not saying that you should not spend time to educate yourself as to what is available but don't lose your focus, Why worry about possible bad products in areas that do not impact your chosen methods?

Keep it simple, take action, don't worry too much about bad products, but of course do a reasonable amount of due diligence depending where you buy the products, for example, even a 97$ products on click bank is a very low risk due to the refund procedure on that platform. A quick check of the product name in the review section should be enough. A 2000$ course paid directly to the promoter would certainly require a much higher degree of investigation, but usually these are extensively covered in this forum and background info on the promoters readily available.

You could also be extra cautious and never spend money you could not afford to loose.

Most products are no good to the buyer, not because of the product but because the buyer find themselves unable or unwilling to take action.(one of the few areas in IM where I have extensive and costly experience

)

So before you buy any products, ask yourself how ready you are in taking action with it?

Your in a good place here at the WF. Don't worry too much. take action. Good luck

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fort21

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TPFLegionaire

How about looking at it from a different angle...Why don't you focus on your objectives , for examples if you are looking to get in CPA , you would then focus your efforts in reviewing CPA related WSO and CPA related reviews.In that quest you will come accross both superior and inferior products (wich you will avoid), but as it is a focused endeavor , you will soon have all the tools and blueprint to get started and make money.

I am not saying that you should not spend time to educate yourself as to what is available but don't lose your focus, Why worry about possible bad products in areas that do not impact your chosen methods?

Keep it simple, take action, don't worry too much about bad products, but of course do a reasonable amount of due diligence depending where you buy the products, for example, even a 97$ products on click bank is a very low risk due to the refund procedure on that platform. A quick check of the product name in the review section should be enough. A 2000$ course paid directly to the promoter would certainly require a much higher degree of investigation, but usually these are extensively covered in this forum and background info on the promoters readily available.

You could also be extra cautious and never spend money you could not afford to loose.

Most products are no good to the buyer, not because of the product but because the buyer find themselves unable or unwilling to take action.(one of the few areas in IM where I have extensive and costly experience

)

So before you buy any products, ask yourself how ready you are in taking action with it?

Your in a good place here at the WF. Don't worry too much. take action. Good luck

Hi TPF,

very comforting and constructive comments from you. Many thanks! I am very happy you understand where I come from and I accept all positive criticism. One statement can have many meanings if they are view differently. I sign up War Room when all gurus positively recommend it and I just do it.

cheers!

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himanuzo

14 years ago

Besides the positive reviews, I see a lot of negative reviews on this forum. You need to navigate this forum daily, I am sure that you will find both positive and negative reviews.

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Shinxware

14 years ago

Usually if you make a negative review you get banned

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Alfred Shelver

14 years ago

Thats absolutely not true, the problem is for most people it is difficult to do a review of a product without out personally attacking the product creator. (personal attacks are not allowed)

So feel free to leave honest reviews of any product insure that you are infact reviewing the product not the person

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Usually if you make a negative review you get banned

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Shinxware

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Cathy Shelver

Thats absolutely not true, the problem is for most people it is difficult to do a review of a product without out personally attacking the product creator. (personal attacks are not allowed)

So feel free to leave honest reviews of any product insure that you are infact reviewing the product not the person

Yes of course, i was talking about reviews that are not true.
Please forgive my bad english.

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fort21

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Shinxware

Yes of course, i was talking about reviews that are not true.
Please forgive my bad english.

Hi Shinxware,

understand what you mean...

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addice 14 years ago

How about a neutral review instead?

More often than not, I usually write both the pro and the con of the product itself, as I feel that products are not really perfect, just like humans.

What do you think?
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FredJones

14 years ago

There are review threads, and I see plenty of people voicing negative opinions about products if they think so. And personally I believe that simply having review threads is a better option than having positive or negative review threads for the simple reason that it makes sure that the reader can also guage the positive and negative vibes about the product (or service, whatever) at the same stoppage rather than having to search all over the place.

And the other point is that something terribly negative is well-administrated by the moderators - they do a good job there. As an example, once I had purchased a product from Warrior Forum which was completely spam-based and black hat that encouraged to steal people's money. I had purchased early. Before I could report it, I found that the thread was already deleted and I further made out that the person selling the product was banned (and probably removed, if I remember it correctly). This is an example of how well-moderated WF is.

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ExRat

14 years ago

Hi fort21,

It's not a negative review, but yesterday I answered a question about 'which WSO/product should I buy' and I explained my thoughts regarding a better way than 'buying products' in order to learn/earn -

see post #14 via this link

Even though I made that suggestion about not buying any WSOs/products, no-one has deleted it and I haven't been banned. Hope this helps.

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fort21

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi fort21,

It's not a negative review, but yesterday I answered a question about 'which WSO/product should I buy' and I explained my thoughts regarding a better way than 'buying products' in order to learn/earn -

see post #14 via this link

Even though I made that suggestion about not buying any WSOs/products, no-one has deleted it and I haven't been banned. Hope this helps.

hi ExRat,

getting ban will not be on my mind as I am of the view that negative reviews will greatly bring along better products for the benefit of the community here, and in turn bring this forum to great height. As mention by some gurus, its to be polite and not to cross the line to attack the producer that will led to ban.

Your comment had further endorse it...

cheers!

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Alfred Shelver 14 years ago

It makes sense now thank for clearing that up sorry for the misunderstanding

Originally Posted by Shinxware

Yes of course, i was talking about reviews that are not true.
Please forgive my bad english.
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John Durham

14 years ago

If you proactively seek to do negative reviews. the opportunity will present itself with almost every report you see. Seek to do a positive one, and you might attract a great life changing report.

Originally Posted by fort21

Hi all,

again I am sorry but I like to ask why most reviews on products seen are all or mostly positive. Is there a clause in this forum that we cannot have negative review? I try to search for "negative review" but fruitless. As much as a good review can be helpful, a bad review thread would have help many in the forum save money and time.

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fort21

14 years ago

Originally Posted by addice

How about a neutral review instead?

More often than not, I usually write both the pro and the con of the product itself, as I feel that products are not really perfect, just like humans.

What do you think?

Hi addice,

hmmm, thats quite constructive.

But I wish to reiterate that I am not trying to hunt for Negative reviews but while I am evaluating few products somehow I realize that all review were positive and had a hard time deciding. So I had this thought to search for negative review so that I wont waste time and money on certain products that were not on par.

cheers!

Originally Posted by FredJones

There are review threads, and I see plenty of people voicing negative opinions about products if they think so. And personally I believe that simply having review threads is a better option than having positive or negative review threads for the simple reason that it makes sure that the reader can also guage the positive and negative vibes about the product (or service, whatever) at the same stoppage rather than having to search all over the place.

And the other point is that something terribly negative is well-administrated by the moderators - they do a good job there. As an example, once I had purchased a product from Warrior Forum which was completely spam-based and black hat that encouraged to steal people's money. I had purchased early. Before I could report it, I found that the thread was already deleted and I further made out that the person selling the product was banned (and probably removed, if I remember it correctly). This is an example of how well-moderated WF is.

hi

hi Fred,

It is nice to know that and I had faith with WF. And as a newbie I honesty hope there is a directories, with gravity like in Clickbank, rating all the products. Then again I have not known what is the cause and effect so I did not mention.

cheers!

Originally Posted by John Durham

If you proactively seek to do negative reviews. the opportunity will present itself with almost every report you see. Seek to do a positive one, and you might attract a great life changing report.

Hi John,

doing so is degrading to oneself that I would not try. I prefer to see the beautiful side of things. My reason is as above...

Cheers!

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Rick88

14 years ago

In writing a "bad" review wouldn't it be better to say how you think the product could be better where the shortcomings are? It is easy to criticize but more excellent to give good suggestions. That will help to separate the personal from the product. That is why I also like the pros and cons approach.

I do understand that no one wants to feel, or be, taken advantage of and feel like a certain trust has been violated where the promises are not what was delivered. I think it is important to test your product before you bring it on or at least say you would like some fellow forum members to test this product.

Just a thought.

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Andyhenry

14 years ago

You won't see many in the WSO section because whenever people do post them - the person running the offer runs to the mods and cries that people are ruining their offer that they paid for and wants the post removed.

I don't tend to post proper negative reviews here at all because people just don't want to hear it.

I often see people selling stuff I would never want anyone I know to buy, but it's too much hassle to make people aware and usually gets deleted anyway, so no point bothering.

At some point I think most people or products would get some sort of bad review, so it's a great starting point to go looking for them.

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fort21

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rick88

In writing a "bad" review wouldn't it be better to say how you think the product could be better where the shortcomings are? It is easy to criticize but more excellent to give good suggestions. That will help to separate the personal from the product. That is why I also like the pros and cons approach.

I do understand that no one wants to feel, or be, taken advantage of and feel like a certain trust has been violated where the promises are not what was delivered. I think it is important to test your product before you bring it on or at least say you would like some fellow forum members to test this product.

Just a thought.

hi Rick,

I am trying to save some time and avoid spending good money on bad products not so much on criticising any products. I know deeply that giving praise is better than condemning, but as a newbie and if all products are all having good and positively reviews than where do we go??? May be I shd paraphase how to find the most deserving product in each category easily.

cheers!

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

You won't see many in the WSO section because whenever people do post them - the person running the offer runs to the mods and cries that people are ruining their offer that they paid for and wants the post removed.

I don't tend to post proper negative reviews here at all because people just don't want to hear it.

I often see people selling stuff I would never want anyone I know to buy, but it's too much hassle to make people aware and usually gets deleted anyway, so no point bothering.

At some point I think most people or products would get some sort of bad review, so it's a great starting point to go looking for them.

Hi Andy,

I think I paraphase how to find the best product that SUITS you in the shortest time.

cheers!

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oneplusone 14 years ago

If you are expecting a PRODUCT to "make you money" you are starting off with totally the wrong mindset.

All products are is information, they contain various strategies, tactics, methods, ideas etc which may or may not help you along the way.

Sometimes there isn't any good or bad when it comes to info products, it is entirely subjective - what may be useless information to one person may be very useful to another depending on where they are at and what kind of business they are running.

For a start there is more than enough information on the forum, and in the War Room for you to get going.

I've bought hundreds of WSOs and IM products, they are only useful to me because I already run a REAL business online.

IM products do NOT run my business or create my business all they are is tools.

If you're a newbie and expect some product to magically create your business or success for you, you are wasting your time.

What you need to do is get busy SELLING, ultimately if you are selling products/services you have a business - if you aren't selling anything, you haven't got any business.

For example: buy some PLR ebooks in a market you like which you can print out, go on ebay and try and SELL them and see how it goes - no IM product out there can compensate for experience and actually DOING.
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Rick88

14 years ago

Originally Posted by fort21

hi Rick,

I am trying to save some time and avoid spending good money on bad products not so much on criticising any products. I know deeply that giving praise is better than condemning, but as a newbie and if all products are all having good and positively reviews than where do we go??? May be I shd paraphase how to find the most deserving product in each category easily.

cheers!

Hey Forte21,

I see you want to try to make an educated purchase. That is excellent to try to get as much info about a product as possible. One thing I do is make sure there is a refund period guarantee. This is because most of the time there is so much hype in the salescopy it is difficult to tell what is the real meat of the product. I also look at the reputation of the person as much as possible. Now have I ever bought a crappy product. You betcha. And will you ever buy a crappy product. You betcha. It is simply going to happen some time.

To help minimize this "gotcha" I try to buy only what I need right now in my business. The scarcity thing is just not worth worrying about. It or something like it or something better will come along when you are ready for it.

Best Wishes in your journey.

Rick

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dougp 14 years ago

I dont put all my weight into reviews because its just another person opinion. Sometimes if one person post a positive review, than many people will jump right on the bandwagon. However, many times the positive reviews come from their business associates, and this is something that they dont even hide, it takes two minutes to find this out with some research. On the contrary, if one bad review is posted than many individuals could jump on the bandwagon and start shouting the same thing. If a purchase a product it will be because i respect the marketer's work, and also that its a product/service that can help my business.

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Andy,

You won't see many in the WSO section because whenever people do post them - the person running the offer runs to the mods and cries that people are ruining their offer that they paid for and wants the post removed.

And that only gets action if the poster has not bought the product, or is becoming personal, or is outright lying about the contents of the offer. Otherwise, negative reviews are left, the same as positive reviews. You would be amazed at how many comments on products in the WSO section are manufactured. Including deliberately false attacks on the competition.

If you don't actually know what goes on behind the moderator curtain, you should consider that lack before making such comments, either as implications or outright statements of fact. Especially when you have enough stature here to cause newer folks to believe your incorrect assumptions and repeat them.

We don't nuke people or offers just because someone claims there's a problem, and we're not such stupid little puppets that we jump every time some seller whines about a bad review from an actual customer.

May I assume that the tone in that last paragraph expresses my sentiments on your post adequately?

The above comments are not directed ONLY to Andy. I've read a whole lot of crap in the past few days from people who should know better, making assertions of all kinds on this subject, and about which they haven't enough information to form a useful opinion, much less state facts.

If there is a real problem, report it. Provide the information necessary to identify the facts and take appropriate action. That will get results. Not alleging some improper or negligent routine among the moderators.

By the way... you'd be surprised at how many people have had offers closed and/or been banned for some period for reporting valid negative comments, only to find that the mods look into them and discover they carry substance. Yes, people who do this often end up, in essence, reporting themselves.

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santosm

14 years ago

Hey fort21,

I fail to see how a negative review forum would help people make a decision. Mostly because it would be all "negative" so to speak and how could you base your decision on that if you have nothing to compare it to? As a mod in the "warrior review forum",
I see where a negative review forum would be an out of control bash fest very quickly!

Same deal if you had a positive review forum....what do you compare it to? It would all be roses.

Below is a quote of a couple of the rules in the "Warrior Review Forum". Note rule 2 where it states that we're looking for intelligent feedback and reasons why you feel the way you do good or bad. Wouldn't you say that's positive and negative?

And then again in rule 4.... Again, we are looking for intelligent reviews so people can be helped in making a decision one way or the other

Thats what a review forum should be...the pros and cons of a product or service from people who have bought it, used it or trialed it.

Lets say for example you were looking at buying something, if you weren't slightly interested in the product, why else would you want a review...right? So lets say you are on the fence about the product....why then would you want to go to "negative review forum?" All you'll get is negativity....how do you base your decision on that?

Your best decision will come from both negative and positive posts.....much easier to weigh up.

And just to clarify, there is nowhere in the review forum that says you can't make a negative post about a product.....only that you can't bash the creator. The thing about reviews is that they are opinions based on experiences...well they're supposed to be
anyway. Sometimes you get the ocassional airhead post that goes along the lines of "Don't buy it, i've never used it myself...but my cousin, who has a friend, who's uncle tried it...said it sucks! LOL Yeah..real intelligent helpful post...."Delete"

Anyway hope that answered your question.

Cheers Marianne

2. If you post your opinion on a product it must be longer than "it sucks" or "it's great". We're looking for intelligent feedback and reasons why you feel the way you do, good or bad.

3. Do not attack nor give your opinion about the product creator. This forum is about product reviews, not the people who create the products.

4. In general, just use common sense and don't come in here just to bash products created by people you may not like. Again, we are looking for intelligent reviews so people can be helped in making a decision one way or the other.

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conorg

14 years ago

There are indeed many negative reviews but they usually come side by side with positive ones as in most cases the things being reviewed are nor all bad or all good.

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fort21

14 years ago

hi all,

many thanks for many constructive advices, rest assured I am not trying to hit jackpot here.

cheers!

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I am sorry but why isnt there any negative review thread

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