Question About Domains Worth?

14 years ago

I wouldn't call myself an expert when it comes to domains, but it depends on how old the domain is and if it has any pagerank attached to it. If you were just selling the domain without a website or any records of how much money you made from the website, I would probably guess that you'd be able to get $150 for it.

But since you have a website added to the domain, I would guess you could get anywhere between $500-$1000 for it on Flippa.

Now if it's generating you some cash, I would add the annual amount you make from the site and times it by 3. So if you're making $10k from the site, I would try to sell it for $30k-$35k. (or more if you think they will pay that amount)

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twelveo

14 years ago

domain's worth could be due to the following
whether if the domain is easy to remember, short, brandable, whether it has a page rank on it, and if the domain has good paying keywords.

an example would be
if you have MagicVideos it might do better then MagicCoachingVideos
because more people would be searching for "magic videos" rather then "magic coaching videos" but the CTC might be higher for MagicCoachingVideos because people who type that already have an intent in mind, which is to look for Coaching Videos related to Magic.

if you don't know what price, maybe uu should look at the previous offers for the domain.
think about if you're gonna be interested in developing this domain into a site in the near future.
if not, then divide how much you're being offered with how much you're earning per month now.
if the offer generally cover quite a few months, take the offer.

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by EWGQDD

I own what I would consider a premium highly target keyword domain, its related to the online or offline poker niche....

The domain is pokercoachingvideos.com

I just put this domain up and connected it to an afflliate account for now, already within 1 day its number 4 on Yahoo and Bing for the keywords poker coaching videos, which get quite a few searches perday...

My question is how do I determine its worth if somone is offering to buy it?

I mean I could keep it, and plan to, but I have already had several offers for it and I have not even been trying to sell it........?

Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated...

All the best,

I just ran micro niche finder for poker coaching videos and got no results for that phrase, so not sure about the keyword worth of the domain.

The real definition of the term premium domain means a one or two word dictionary term or highly sought after keyword domain. What you have is a long tailed keyword domain. It's worth is really what someone is willing to pay for it.

If you are getting offers and want to sell it, go with the best offer. Listing it on Sedo is a passive way to sell domains. They can sit there for a long time before someone makes an offer, if ever.

When selling domains, it's a lot quicker to seek out buyers for it rather than list and wait for a buyer to come along. I've got a free ebook in my sig that details how to seek out buyers for domains, if you're interested.

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Tony Marriott 14 years ago

Suzanne's hit it on the head. Like any commodity the value is what someone is willing to pay for it. There are loads of sites that will tell you the vaue of your domain name but in most cases I find these completely out of wack.

Google Adwords keyword tools says 880 global searches a month. Not enough to interest even a micro-niche blogger.

I've just looked on godaddy and tried pokertuitionvideos.com. This is available new for $8 so there is no shortage of similar names. Your domain doesn't seem to have any age to it (according to whois) and no links according to Yahoo.

I'm pretty sure you can value your domain name (with website) from the general calculation of 10 times the monthly revenue.

You might want see if these people would buy pokertuitionvideos.com. If they do you know what to do!
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- Steve Wells 14 years ago
  
  Thanks for the input guys and gals, I will take it all into consideration. I can pretty much tell you that no one looks up the words "poker tuition videos" that I know of... it makes no sense...
  
  When someone wants to watch or learn how to play and apply some of the online poker strategies which are diff than offline they usually would type in "poker training videos" or "poker coaching videos", those terms are regulary used within the poker world.
  
  I will sit on the domain and just wait and see what comes of it, because if people are requesting to buy it from out of left field when I have never even tried to sell or market it, that says something to me, and I think that most of you would agree that if people are offering money out of nowhere for a domain then there is something appealing about it that is attractive or they would not want to buy it.
  
  Maybe they have some idea that I have not thought of to monotize it? Maybe they want to make their own coaching videos and sell them? Who knows, but I do appreciate all the input that you all are giving...
  
  I will let you all know what comes of this, if one of these guys who are offering me money, offer something like 1000 or 1500 for the domain as their final price, I can pretty much tell you that its gonna be sold to them.
  
  I do not have the time to invest on builidng this domain, I bought it because I knew it was a good longtail keyword domain name and that I could generate traffic to it easily. I do not mind it sitting there if none of these people offer anything high......
  
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Gene Pimentel

14 years ago

The best way to determine the value of your domain name is to compare it to similar domains that have recently sold.

Here are some actual sales figures of 3-word poker domains:

BestVideoPoker.com $60 at Sedo
CashPokerGames.com $70 at Sedo
PokerCashGames.com $170 at Sedo
AllPokerNeeds.com $205 at GoDaddyAuction
SideBetPoker.com $230 at Sedo
VideoSlotsOnline.com $250 at Sedo
VideoPokerTour.com $300 at Moniker
AsianPokerRoom.com $350 at Sedo
DashCamVideo.com $500 at Sedo
TrailerParkPoker.com $500 at Sedo
ThePokerDepot.com $850 at Sedo
MyPokerPals.com $960 at Sedo
OnlinePokerTournament.com $3,533 reported by DNJournal
InstantPokerMoney.com $20,350 reported by DNJournal

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Steve Wells

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel

The best way to determine the value of your domain name is to compare it to similar domains that have recently sold.

Here are some actual sales figures of 3-word poker domains:

BestVideoPoker.com $60 at Sedo
CashPokerGames.com $70 at Sedo
PokerCashGames.com $170 at Sedo
AllPokerNeeds.com $205 at GoDaddyAuction
SideBetPoker.com $230 at Sedo
VideoSlotsOnline.com $250 at Sedo
VideoPokerTour.com $300 at Moniker
AsianPokerRoom.com $350 at Sedo
DashCamVideo.com $500 at Sedo
TrailerParkPoker.com $500 at Sedo
ThePokerDepot.com $850 at Sedo
MyPokerPals.com $960 at Sedo
OnlinePokerTournament.com $3,533 reported by DNJournal
InstantPokerMoney.com $20,350 reported by DNJournal

Thanks for your info, as you will have to admit, most of those domains are not names people would type into google as a organic search, my domain is not only a name that people are actually searching for but even the exact words someone will type into google to search for poker coaching videos

So your list of recent sales of domains tells me that mine would be worth more, mainly because its targeted with keywords that are searched as most of those aren't..

So, it looks promising to me....

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RSK3000

14 years ago

So your list of recent sales of domains tells me that mine would be worth more, mainly because its targeted with keywords that are searched as most of those aren't..

So, it looks promising to me....

This is a classic mistake that catches out novice domainers all the time. Just because one 'garbage' domain name sold for 5 figures does not mean that your long tail domain will.

Look. The truth is its not worth much. If you are lucky enough to find a hungry buyer for what really is an average domain then take the money. Hungry buyers don't appear every day so count yourself lucky. Your other option is devlopment. You can sell for 18 months income.

Also, if people write to you saying they are interested in your domain but insisting you buy a valuation from a specific domain name valuation company its likely to be a scam.

Good luck

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Steve Wells

14 years ago

Originally Posted by RSK3000

This is a classic mistake that catches out novice domainers all the time. Just because one 'garbage' domain name sold for 5 figures does not mean that your long tail domain will.

Look. The truth is its not worth much. If you are lucky enough to find a hungry buyer for what really is an average domain then take the money. Hungry buyers don't appear every day so count yourself lucky. Your other option is devlopment. You can sell for 18 months income.

Also, if people write to you saying they are interested in your domain but insisting you buy a valuation from a specific domain name valuation company its likely to be a scam.

Good luck

It must be worth something to someone or they would not be trying to purchase it.....

The only reason I was able to get this domain is because someone let it lapse by mistake, when I bought it the domain registar was suprised that I had got it for such a low price, they said that it was a premium domain and it must have just become available again by accident.

As for development, I thought about adding a you tube video script to bring in videos from youtube? Just to get more traffic to the domain but for now I will just keep it simple and see what happens if anything....?

Thanks for you input.

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Alfred Shelver

14 years ago

I think you got the wrong impression from the post I genuinely think he was trying to offer constructive criticism. Text is very difficult to judge emotion you may be overly sensitive which is understandable

Originally Posted by EWGQDD

Hmmm, I since a bit of hostility and bitterness in your post, its obvious you are new to this forum, most people here are not so brash with their comments.

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Steve Wells

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Cathy Shelver

I think you got the wrong impression from the post I genuinely think he was trying to offer constructive criticism. Text is very difficult to judge emotion you may be overly sensitive which is understandable

I changed my post, just incase I was wrong?

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Gene Pimentel

14 years ago

Originally Posted by EWGQDD

So your list of recent sales of domains tells me that mine would be worth more, mainly because its targeted with keywords that are searched as most of those aren't...

No, not necessarily. It's about finding a buyer who wants your particular domain bad enough to pay you what you want from it. Search volume may be meaningless to some buyers, important to others, but over all doesn't affect the pricing much. You need to decide what it's worth to you. And use a list like I showed you to get a feel for what the market may bear IF you find the right buyer. Mix into the equation that some of those sales may have had other attributes included, such as a working website and/or traffic and backlinks.

The bottom line is, you need to research to find prospective buyers who 'need' your domain and have the cashflow to invest in it.

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Steve Wells

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel

No, not necessarily. It's about finding a buyer who wants your particular domain bad enough to pay you what you want from it. Search volume may be meaningless to some buyers, important to others, but over all doesn't affect the pricing much. You need to decide what it's worth to you. And use a list like I showed you to get a feel for what the market may bear IF you find the right buyer. Mix into the equation that some of those sales may have had other attributes included, such as a working website and/or traffic and backlinks.

The bottom line is, you need to research to find prospective buyers who 'need' your domain and have the cashflow to invest in it.

I agree with what you are saying for sure, I think that the fact that this domain gets organic searches daily for those exact keywords makes it more valuable than a domain that has not got natural organic traffic from the keywords in the domain..

I could see if this domain was like videospokercoaching or coachingpokervideos, or pokervideocoaching, because those are not searched for, when someone wants to find poker coaching videos, they type "poker coaching videos" thats all I am really trying to convey when comparing it to the domains you listed below. Which do give me a good idea of the market.

Most of the people that would purchase this domain would be poker affiliates of somekind looking to either A. start their own training website or B. drive traffic from this domain to an affiliate link. or C. something I have not thought about.

The poker affiliate market it tought thats for sure, so having a good domain name that had natural organic searched keywords has to be a plus.

Like I said before I appreciate all your input and everyone elses about this domain, I am paying attention and making mental notes of all the info....

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by EWGQDD

I agree with what you are saying for sure, I think that the fact that this domain gets organic searches daily for those exact keywords makes it more valuable than a domain that has not got natural organic traffic from the keywords in the domain..

The reason Micro Niche Finder didn't find any searches for me is because I filter out everything that is so low in searches as to be insignificant. This phrase does not get many monthly searches, and there is only one Google Ad on the sidebar when you type in the phrase in Google ... showing very low commercial intent for this domain.

But if you can sell it ... go for it. Let us know how much you get for it.

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Steve Wells

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

The reason Micro Niche Finder didn't find any searches for me is because I filter out everything that is so low in searches as to be insignificant. This phrase does not get many monthly searches, and there is only one Google Ad on the sidebar when you type in the phrase in Google ... showing very low commercial intent for this domain.

But if you can sell it ... go for it. Let us know how much you get for it.

OK.... will do....

I think for exact keyword seaches it gets around about 850 searches per month, to me thats ok and a good start. Considering its highly targeted traffic.

Unless Market Samurai is way off? Could be they are but I doubt its too far off? You are more experienced at this game than me, thats for sure.

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forfun_cash

14 years ago

I used to be a domain flipper last time. You could actually go to namepros.com , one of the largest domain flipping community and post this qns on their domain appraisal forum. You will get great and huge amount of feedback albeit not all are accurate.

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humbledmarket

Banned 14 years ago

The domain value really depends on the endusers you have and what they are willing to pay.

I'm not an expect in domains however some things you want to look at is: age, keyword, branding, pagerank, backlinks, profit, and endusers

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Tony Marriott

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel

The best way to determine the value of your domain name is to compare it to similar domains that have recently sold.

Here are some actual sales figures of 3-word poker domains:

BestVideoPoker.com $60 at Sedo
CashPokerGames.com $70 at Sedo
PokerCashGames.com $170 at Sedo
AllPokerNeeds.com $205 at GoDaddyAuction
SideBetPoker.com $230 at Sedo
VideoSlotsOnline.com $250 at Sedo
VideoPokerTour.com $300 at Moniker
AsianPokerRoom.com $350 at Sedo
DashCamVideo.com $500 at Sedo
TrailerParkPoker.com $500 at Sedo
ThePokerDepot.com $850 at Sedo
MyPokerPals.com $960 at Sedo
OnlinePokerTournament.com $3,533 reported by DNJournal
InstantPokerMoney.com $20,350 reported by DNJournal

Most of the names above are related to actually playing poker which is likely to be more valuable as there is more money to made from playing than training (in a keyword sense not actually!).
For instance "online poker tournement" has Estimated CPC in Google of around $4 whereas "poker coaching online" has $0.05. Ok, not a definative measure of value but a relative guide all the same.

Originally Posted by EWGQDD

So your list of recent sales of domains tells me that mine would be worth more, mainly because its targeted with keywords that are searched as most of those aren't..

If you are referring to the whole domain name then I repeat that it has only 880 broad match searches per month which does not indicate that it is a keyword that is highly searched for.
If you mean it contains high search keywords then checkout the names above. Poker Cash - 49,500, Video Slots - 60,500, Video Poker - 450,000. They certainly contain high search keywords.

All that said the the value is what you can get for it, not what anyone says it might be. PokerVideos.org is a premium domain on Godaddy and they are asking over $3,000. PokerCoachingVideos.org is however $17.

I hope these guys asking about your domain are genuine and come through with some cash for you. I genuinely wish you the best of luck. If you turn this one around for a tidy profit it will be a job well done!

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Steve Wells

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tony Marriott

Most of the names above are related to actually playing poker which is likely to be more valuable as there is more money to made from playing than training (in a keyword sense not actually!).
For instance "online poker tournement" has Estimated CPC in Google of around $4 whereas "poker coaching online" has $0.05. Ok, not a definative measure of value but a relative guide all the same.

If you are referring to the whole domain name then I repeat that it has only 880 broad match searches per month which does not indicate that it is a keyword that is highly searched for.
If you mean it contains high search keywords then checkout the names above. Poker Cash - 49,500, Video Slots - 60,500, Video Poker - 450,000. They certainly contain high search keywords.

All that said the the value is what you can get for it, not what anyone says it might be. PokerVideos.org is a premium domain on Godaddy and they are asking over $3,000. PokerCoachingVideos.org is however $17.

I hope these guys asking about your domain are genuine and come through with some cash for you. I genuinely wish you the best of luck. If you turn this one around for a tidy profit it will be a job well done!

Yep I agree, we will see though how it goes. Also poker training or coaching is a lucrative market, believe me....... ask the guys at deuces cracked or poker savvy...

I honestly am not looking to sell it unless someone really offers real money for it, its fine just sitting there with my affiliate link to a poker coaching site.....

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AceOfShirts

14 years ago

I've been sitting on FreePokerBook.com for over 6 years. Guess I should try to sell it.

Dennis Graves

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RSK3000

14 years ago

I think you got the wrong impression from the post I genuinely think he was trying to offer constructive criticism. Text is very difficult to judge emotion you may be overly sensitive which is understandable

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Originally Posted by EWGQDD

Hmmm, I since a bit of hostility and bitterness in your post, its obvious you are new to this forum, most people here are not so brash with their comments.

If that was was directed at me then I can confirm that I am only trying to help. Cathy is right.

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mikesan

13 years ago

hey Steve. Looks like you have a solid domain. If you've already gotten some interest and you have a site on there then you're ahead of most people wanting to sell their domains.

You asked: "My question is how do I determine its worth if somone is offering to buy it?"

The answer lies in WHO is this someone. Domain sellers sometimes forget who the prospective buyer are matter more than what YOU value your domain. Check out my sig for a post I made about this. I'm sure you can pick up helpful tips.

Mike

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xtrapunch

13 years ago

Monthly search numbers
Poker coaching: 3,600
Poker coaching video: 720

And, there are plenty of alternative domains to buy.

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