This guy makes $50,000 AN HOUR!

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I just got an email off a "guru" saying he knows a guy, not in the IM niche that makes 50k an hour, and he's going to "grill" him over a webinar. Assuming the guys doing that on autopilot 24/7 that means he's on around $438,000,000 a year.

Is it me or does it seem odd that....

a) He wants to tell everyone about it, and

b) He's bothering to get out of bed and do a webinar?

I've unsubscribed from this guy on the basis that I don't believe the claims and would probably develop a serious drug problem on that sort of cash.

Does anyone make that sort of money, like anywhere?
#$50 #guy #hour #makes
  • Profile picture of the author cashmagnet
    50K per hour is a massive claim and really does need alot of backup if stated
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    • Profile picture of the author spearce000
      He may have made $50k in an hour (one time) if it was a product launch or something. What he doesn't tell you is that it probably took about a year of work to get to that hour.
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      • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
        Originally Posted by spearce000 View Post

        He may have made $50k in an hour (one time) if it was a product launch or something. What he doesn't tell you is that it probably took about a year of work to get to that hour.
        This answer make the most sense to me. If he was that good we should probably have heard of him or see him somewhere on the media.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by JustinDupre View Post

          This answer make the most sense to me. If he was that good we should probably have heard of him or see him somewhere on the media.
          I think you're probably right. In which case it's no big deal really, indeed the guy pointing me towards the webinar must make that amount quite regularly so must his affiliates when he launches his products, 50k in just one hour as a one off's more than believeable and not a bold claim at all.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by spearce000 View Post

        He may have made $50k in an hour (one time) if it was a product launch or something. What he doesn't tell you is that it probably took about a year of work to get to that hour.
        But it is BAD english!!!!!!! GRANTED, he may be taking advantage of the implication that "everyone does it".

        Makes X an hour means every business hour! For the internet, that is 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365.25(approximately) days a year!

        Made X in an hour could mean during a launch, but there is a BIG difference!

        So that is approximately $438,300,000USD a year. Assuming a price of $100 per, that is 4,383,000 objects. That is 12,000 a day! 500 an hour! Over 8 a minute! I really doubt it. AND, if he DID do that, he didn't do it alone.

        I once got about $270,000 in a day. Should I start saying I can make $270,000 a day? SHOOT, that is only $98,617,500USD/year! I was hoping for a higher value. 8-(

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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          But it is BAD english!!!!!!! GRANTED, he may be taking advantage of the implication that "everyone does it".

          Makes X an hour means every business hour! For the internet, that is 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365.25(approximately) days a year!

          Made X in an hour could mean during a launch, but there is a BIG difference!

          So that is approximately $438,300,000USD a year. Assuming a price of $100 per, that is 4,383,000 objects. That is 12,000 a day! 500 an hour! Over 8 a minute! I really doubt it. AND, if he DID do that, he didn't do it alone.

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          Steve, he might be selling kidneys. I think it only takes one hour to drug a person and take out a kidney leaving them in a bath tub of ice.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            Steve, he might be selling kidneys. I think it only takes one hour to drug a person and take out a kidney leaving them in a bath tub of ice.
            Actually, that is a myth. You need to cut them right and there are blood and tissue matching concerns. Besides, it isn't legal in the US, and isn't legal in many other countries.

            Nice try though. And there is a high cost and one might question if it is REALLY an IM business. I mean is sears or walmart an IM business?

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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              You need to cut them right and there are blood and tissue matching concerns.
              Besides, my sources say this is a three-hour job.

              Oh wait, did I say that out loud?
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                Besides, my sources say this is a three-hour job.

                Oh wait, did I say that out loud?
                Forget it now, Caliban. The gig is off. I just found out it was illegal.
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      • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
        Originally Posted by spearce000 View Post

        He may have made $50k in an hour (one time) if it was a product launch or something. What he doesn't tell you is that it probably took about a year of work to get to that hour.
        I bet that's exactly what it is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Call me a skepchick, but to me it sounds suspiciously like one of those claims that turns out to have the same sort of underlying basis as the people who "make $300,000 in one weekend" (those are characteristically more or less the payment for two years' work on something, and sometimes shared with a large number of other people as well). :rolleyes:

      On the other hand, the philosophy of "If something sounds too good to be true, it usually is" is also one I dismiss and reject, I admit, because if followed to its logical conclusion it means that one should wait around for and investigate only opportunities which sound "bad enough to be true", which is hardly going to be a winning long-term strategy! :confused:

      The solution to these scenarios, for me, is to remain interested and willing to investigate, and not be dismissive/rejecting without detailed examination, but from a healthily skepchick viewpoint.
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      • Profile picture of the author theemperor
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Call me a skepchick, but to me it sounds suspiciously like one of those claims that turns out to have the same sort of underlying basis as the people who "make $300,000 in one weekend"
        Well a $300k weekend is just 6 hours work - sounds like a lazy weekend. Geez the slackers!
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        • Profile picture of the author sal64
          lol... you can get the WSO for $7.

          $50k an hour sounds misleading... probably $50k in an hour of a launch.

          Or took him 1 hour to list a site on Flippa which sold for $50k.
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          • Profile picture of the author Cash37
            Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

            lol... you can get the WSO for $7.

            $50k an hour sounds misleading... probably $50k in an hour of a launch.

            Or took him 1 hour to list a site on Flippa which sold for $50k.
            This is probably exactly what it is. No one makes 50k every hour or they would be on the cover of FORBES
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          • Profile picture of the author discrat
            There are definitely people who make an average of 50K an hour, 8 hours a day. Steve Cohen among a few other top hedge fund Managers make that when you consider they pull in $200million to $400 million a year. Oprahs another one.
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Call me a skepchick, but to me it sounds suspiciously like one of those claims that turns out to have the same sort of underlying basis as the people who "make $300,000 in one weekend" (those are characteristically more or less the payment for two years' work on something, and sometimes shared with a large number of other people as well). :rolleyes:

        On the other hand, the philosophy of "If something sounds too good to be true, it usually is" is also one I dismiss and reject, I admit, because if followed to its logical conclusion it means that one should wait around for and investigate only opportunities which sound "bad enough to be true", which is hardly going to be a winning long-term strategy! :confused:

        The solution to these scenarios, for me, is to remain interested and willing to investigate, and not be dismissive/rejecting without detailed examination, but from a healthily skepchick viewpoint.
        Hi Skepchick, nice to meet you.

        Ryan Deiss is beginning to get a bit annoying.

        (Yep...I got the email, as well...)
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Ok thanks Soldier dude, now the cats out the bag. Google the guys name Ryans doing the webinar with Nathan Jurewicz. He does short sales, basically flipping property, will no doubt make good money. He also has a nice shiny $499 CD course explaining how you can do it to.

          Bill the property markets lower than it's been for years here, I used to be heavily involved in property, I'd like to see if it can work here or if he has any ideas I can use. Though I won't be buying whats going to be pitched.
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          • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Ok thanks Soldier dude, now the cats out the bag. Google the guys name Ryans doing the webinar with Nathan Jurewicz. He does short sales, basically flipping property, will no doubt make good money. He also has a nice shiny $499 CD course explaining how you can do it to.
            It may be worth a listen, if you are into what they are teaching.

            As mentioned earlier in this thread, I believe the words "up to" were used in the headline of the email, which inherently allows for alot of possibilities....it's certainly not a 24/7 thing. In fact, he may have only made $50,000 during one hour of a product launch or something, which, then, it could also be debated that those earnings were attributable to his product sales, as opposed to his actual method/teaching. Who knows...
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            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Ok thanks Soldier dude, now the cats out the bag. Google the guys name Ryans doing the webinar with Nathan Jurewicz. He does short sales, basically flipping property, will no doubt make good money. He also has a nice shiny $499 CD course explaining how you can do it to.

            Bill the property markets lower than it's been for years here, I used to be heavily involved in property, I'd like to see if it can work here or if he has any ideas I can use. Though I won't be buying whats going to be pitched.
            I have a buddy that short sales homes, and buys and sells dozens of homes per month, even in the current market place...

            My buddy does it part time and still makes several thousand dollars a transaction, working only part time... While he could do more, I am sure, he is currently selling ten houses a month, with a minimum profit of $3k per house...

            However not all sales are low-dollar... He recently bought and sold an apartment complex and made an easy $50k for a few days work over several weeks...

            Anyone is real estate certainly has the capability to do this kind of volume...

            I know several people who are dabbling in real estate, selling a few homes a month... Imagine if they did that full-time -- but not everyone is motivated to earn $50k an hour...

            And why would he sell such a beautiful system for only $500? There are far more houses available in the marketplace than any single person could ever sell...
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            • Profile picture of the author jtpada
              Richard,

              this webinar invite... how much would it have cost you to attend? Or was it free?

              Cheers,
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            • Profile picture of the author pauljyron
              Anyone can say he makes 50k an hour or even 100k per hour.. Do you know the guy? He must be really famous by now.. If he created a system on IM niche that could create that much profit in an hour he will be a millionaire in no time.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              I know a guy who met a man who sister's husband's cousin earned.... one time a long time ago....

              I agree - I wonder if the folks plucking numbers out of the stratosphere ever calculate the per year income they are estimating.

              Ever wonder if they look at a $$$ number and then just decide to add a few zeros to spice it up?
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            • ...I wanna make 50K and hour...or maybe I don't. It's gotta be tough to keep that kind of money!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Call me a skepchick, but to me it sounds suspiciously like one of those claims that turns out to have the same sort of underlying basis as the people who "make $300,000 in one weekend" (those are characteristically more or less the payment for two years' work on something, and sometimes shared with a large number of other people as well). :rolleyes:

        On the other hand, the philosophy of "If something sounds too good to be true, it usually is" is also one I dismiss and reject, I admit, because if followed to its logical conclusion it means that one should wait around for and investigate only opportunities which sound "bad enough to be true", which is hardly going to be a winning long-term strategy! :confused:

        The solution to these scenarios, for me, is to remain interested and willing to investigate, and not be dismissive/rejecting without detailed examination, but from a healthily skepchick viewpoint.
        Hey Skepchick nice meeting you.

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      • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        On the other hand, the philosophy of "If something sounds too good to be true, it usually is" is also one I dismiss and reject, I admit, because if followed to its logical conclusion it means that one should wait around for and investigate only opportunities which sound "bad enough to be true", which is hardly going to be a winning long-term strategy!
        I know I get pretty excited by opportunities that are "bad enough to be true"! Like writing $3 articles for other Warriors-that one sounds just bad enough-can't wait to get started! Great phrase; it makes your point and is funny to boot! It amazes me how hard some people will work in the race to the bottom.
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        Originally Posted by billjingle View Post

        Yeah I call BS
        I know you're trying to get your post count up, but for heaven's sakes, please read the entire thread - you sound really dumb dropping an inane comment like that in here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaolinsteve
    There's a possibility he made it over a launch of some sort but i highly doubt his making that an hour every day of the week.


    Just as cashmagnet said backup is indeed something this "guru" would need to provide.
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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    How much does the "guru" make in an hour?

    Please don't allow anyone to increase your adrenalin level beyond normal.

    Focus on what you are doing and get the best out of it - NO DISTRACTIONS!
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      Originally Posted by King Shiloh View Post

      Please don't allow anyone to increase your adrenalin level beyond normal.

      Focus on what you are doing and get the best out of it - NO DISTRACTIONS!

      WOW!

      Those are some great words to live by!

      I love it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

    Is it me or does it seem odd that....

    a) He wants to tell everyone about it, and
    Why not? Do you think he's so afraid that others will copy his ideas that he has to hide them? Lots of successful people do books (autobiographies) explaining the details of their success.

    b) He's bothering to get out of bed and do a webinar?
    I guess when you make good money you should lay in bed all day and do nothing to prove how rich you are.

    I've unsubscribed from this guy on the basis that I don't believe the claims and would probably develop a serious drug problem on that sort of cash.
    You really taught him a lesson. Next time he'll know not to interview anyone with an extraordinary success story.
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    ^^^LOL.

    You took the words right out of my mouth. And were wittier than I could be in the delivery
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  • Profile picture of the author imguru
    Of course you can make $50,000 in one hour. But not every hour of the day, every week, every month. That's just stupid. I can host a seminar with $1,000 seats and 50 people = $50K
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Ron I wasn't picking a fight mate. If he made it in one hour thats totally believable but the email said "$50,000 an hour" which to me implied he does this every hour, I may have got the wrong end of the stick.

      Re teaching him a lesson by unsubscribing-I unsubscribe every time I get an email off him but never seem to get off his list, I had a bad experience with him over a refund some time ago. Thats my personal problem. I don't have time to teach him any lessons thats why I've not named him in the thread.

      All I thought was it was a bit extreme. For your information I signed up for the webinar just to see what it is but yes I am skeptical if the claim is he earns that every hour. Not saying it's not possible but it is a bold claim.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post


        All I thought was it was a bit extreme. For your information I signed up for the webinar just to see what it is but yes I am skeptical if the claim is he earns that every hour. Not saying it's not possible but it is a bold claim.
        Did they say "every hour"? If not, I'd say that's more of a bold assumption on your part than a bold claim on theirs.
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        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post


        Re teaching him a lesson by unsubscribing-I unsubscribe every time I get an email off him but never seem to get off his list.
        Maybe he's a dedicated learner.
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      • Profile picture of the author evertd
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Ron I wasn't picking a fight mate. If he made it in one hour thats totally believable but the email said "$50,000 an hour" which to me implied he does this every hour, I may have got the wrong end of the stick.

        Re teaching him a lesson by unsubscribing-I unsubscribe every time I get an email off him but never seem to get off his list, I had a bad experience with him over a refund some time ago. Thats my personal problem. I don't have time to teach him any lessons thats why I've not named him in the thread.

        All I thought was it was a bit extreme. For your information I signed up for the webinar just to see what it is but yes I am skeptical if the claim is he earns that every hour. Not saying it's not possible but it is a bold claim.
        I'm confused by "I unsubscribe every time I get an email off him" ... why are you still reading his emails if you tried to unsubscribe? If he is still mailing you, just hit the spam button and you'll never have to see his emails again. Or better yet, report him to the FTC.
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    If everybody on the Warrior Forum pay me 10$ each then I'll tell you how I made 2.238.960$ over a very short period
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    • Profile picture of the author fantasyzer
      Originally Posted by Halli View Post

      If everybody on the Warrior Forum pay me 10$ each then I'll tell you how I made 2.238.960$ over a very short period
      I'd be happy with 10$ cents! I have a paypal account
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  • Profile picture of the author macchiavelli
    $50k per hour is doable.
    But it wont be a long term income I would say.

    Unless its some massively popular product which we all need.

    But $50k in one hour is definetly doable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    Everyone assumes people who make money are too greedy to share their story. THen they question the motives, honesty etc.

    It's really your own money blueprint that is dictating your skepticism.

    The reality is we all know how Bill Gates, DOnald Trump and Mark Cuban made their money but we can't duplicate their success even with every last detail.

    What people need to get over is that their are no secrets, magic beans or other information that will make you rich. Only your actions can do that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

      Everyone assumes people who make money are too greedy to share their story. THen they question the motives, honesty etc.

      It's really your own money blueprint that is dictating your skepticism.

      The reality is we all know how Bill Gates, DOnald Trump and Mark Cuban made their money but we can't duplicate their success even with every last detail.

      What people need to get over is that their are no secrets, magic beans or other information that will make you rich. Only your actions can do that.
      Share their story....or sell it at the end of the webinar? I'll let you know after the webinar.

      Like I said before, making 50k in an hour is very doable. 50k every hour is a bit harder. My money blueprint makes me money. My skepticism is dictated by the fact the guy pointing me to the webinar sold me a c*** course with a 100% money back gaurantee then only offered me half the money back after I returned the product and wanted the refund. I also can't get off his mailing list despite multiple attempts to unsubscribe, whick makes his email spam. I'm not skeptical about life I just simply don't trust this person.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Share their story....or sell it at the end of the webinar? I'll let you know after the webinar.

        Like I said before, making 50k in an hour is very doable. 50k every hour is a bit harder. My money blueprint makes me money. My skepticism is dictated by the fact the guy pointing me to the webinar sold me a c*** course with a 100% money back gaurantee then only offered me half the money back after I returned the product and wanted the refund. I also can't get off his mailing list despite multiple attempts to unsubscribe, whick makes his email spam. I'm not skeptical about life I just simply don't trust this person.
        Sorry for the disconnect, but your original post did not lay down a foundation of distrust you have for the guru whose list advertised the webinar...

        Your complete argument was focused on whether $50k every hour was doable, and you were taking swipes at the honesty of the person who is to be represented in the webinar...

        Now your argument has changed and you are changing the focus of your original question to reframe your question as to the legitimacy of the promoter of the webinar...

        Perhaps next time you will preface your argument with "I distrust the promoter because..."

        Or maybe you need to change the structure of your statement to find the agreement you seek...
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          Sorry for the disconnect, but your original post did not lay down a foundation of distrust you have for the guru whose list advertised the webinar...

          Your complete argument was focused on whether $50k every hour was doable, and you were taking swipes at the honesty of the person who is to be represented in the webinar...

          Now your argument has changed and you are changing the focus of your original question to reframe your question as to the legitimacy of the promoter of the webinar...

          Perhaps next time you will preface your argument with "I distrust the promoter because..."

          Or maybe you need to change the structure of your statement to find the agreement you seek...
          Ok fair point. It's the guy who's pointing me to the webinar I mistrust but he's the guy saying his friend makes $50k an hour, I admit I'm influenced by being stung in the past and I apologise for that.

          Lance it says $50,000 an hour, not $50,000 in one hour I personally find it misleading. Over here when someone gets a job they get $xxx an hour. Maybe thats just a language difference and where you are you say "I want to be paid $xxx every hour". I don't know. Either way it's not a bold statement because where I am it implies every hour. Apologies to you if you think I've made a bold assumption it was just the way I interpreted it.

          I'm just going to wait for the webinar and see whats offered. Sorry and no offense intended to any of you.
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  • Profile picture of the author abdul786
    Hmmm, i posted a comment and now editing

    Thanks for the quick clarification.
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    • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
      I wonder what he means by "makes"? If he "takes" that amount per hour, I'd wonder what his costs are.

      What is his real profit?
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    Bill Gates doing a "charity" webinar??
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Originally Posted by Black Magick View Post

    Why unsubscribe and blow the guy off? You could probably learn something. And yes, there are people making hundreds of millions of dollars a year in income. Look at the world's Billionaires.

    In my honest opinion, whether the guy meant $50k PER HOUR or $50k IN AN HOUR --- either way, you should listen to him and at least hear him out. As a matter of fact, what's the name of his company? I'll check it out.
    I've said in 2 previous posts why I've unsubscribed from his list, have a look back over them. I've also said I will be going to the webinar on this page. I'm also well aware people make $50 an hour and every hour.

    I don't know what the guys company is he's just a "guru" telling me about a guy he knows. Like I said in my last post, I'll just wait for the webinar and find out for myself what it's about.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    ‎I have received the same email. It says: "He rakes in up to $50,000 an HOUR on a regular basis" Note the words 'up to' and "regular basis" . That to me doesn't imply 24/7 on autopilot.

    Also, it's a webinar and chance to find out how it's done. Why not listen in and find out then decide if it's true or not?
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      ‎I have received the same email. It says: "He rakes in up to $50,000 an HOUR on a regular basis" Note the words 'up to' and "regular basis" . That to me doesn't imply 24/7 on autopilot.

      Also, it's a webinar and chance to find out how it's done. Why not listen in and find out then decide if it's true or not?
      I just re read that and you're quite right I apologise I think my mistrust for the guy because of whats happenned in the past explained on this page caused me to react the wrong way. RE listening to the webinar I've said I'm going to do that in 3 of my posts on this page, including my last one.
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      • Profile picture of the author beccol
        the only way i think someone gould make that would be if they got huge lists and promoting a very popular product
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  • Profile picture of the author harro1
    Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

    I just got an email off a "guru" saying he knows a guy, not in the IM niche that makes 50k an hour, and he's going to "grill" him over a webinar. Assuming the guys doing that on autopilot 24/7 that means he's on around $438,000,000 a year.

    Is it me or does it seem odd that....

    a) He wants to tell everyone about it, and

    b) He's bothering to get out of bed and do a webinar?

    I've unsubscribed from this guy on the basis that I don't believe the claims and would probably develop a serious drug problem on that sort of cash.

    Does anyone make that sort of money, like anywhere?
    Not on this forum atleast :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

    I just got an email off a "guru" saying he knows a guy, not in the IM niche that makes 50k an hour, and he's going to "grill" him over a webinar. Assuming the guys doing that on autopilot 24/7 that means he's on around $438,000,000 a year.

    Is it me or does it seem odd that....

    a) He wants to tell everyone about it, and

    b) He's bothering to get out of bed and do a webinar?

    I've unsubscribed from this guy on the basis that I don't believe the claims and would probably develop a serious drug problem on that sort of cash.

    Does anyone make that sort of money, like anywhere?

    Well, you never know man.

    I personally would NOT have unsubscribed b/c yes, maybe it
    was just a one (or few times) event. So what? It's someone
    who I could learn from if I gave the guy a shot to check out
    this webinar.

    And you know what else?

    What if that person IS making half a billion dollars a year as
    the claims state? Would you kick yourself for not being OPEN
    to the possibility of it being true?

    I would. So, I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet because if you
    know anything about Micheal Senoff, he's interviewed a few
    actual billionaires.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you should take what the
    email is saying at face value b/c it's a lot of junk out there,
    but if it were coming from someone who I respect in the industry
    (Frank Kern, Tony Robbins, Etc)...than I wouldn't discard the
    email.

    If you know it's spam -- than yea it's B.S. If not, you made a
    mistake.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by WhoIsBenjamin View Post

      Well, you never know man.

      I personally would NOT have unsubscribed b/c yes, maybe it
      was just a one (or few times) event. So what? It's someone
      who I could learn from if I gave the guy a shot to check out
      this webinar.

      And you know what else?

      What if that person IS making half a billion dollars a year as
      the claims state? Would you kick yourself for not being OPEN
      to the possibility of it being true?

      I would. So, I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet because if you
      know anything about Micheal Senoff, he's interviewed a few
      actual billionaires.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you should take what the
      email is saying at face value b/c it's a lot of junk out there,
      but if it were coming from someone who I respect in the industry
      (Frank Kern, Tony Robbins, Etc)...than I wouldn't discard the
      email.

      If you know it's spam -- than yea it's B.S. If not, you made a
      mistake.
      Please just go back and read the actual thread. You find out why I unsubscribed and that I am going to the webinar. I've even done some digging around and I know exactly what this guy does now. He's not a gazillionaire.

      Re. "If you know it's spam -- than yea it's B.S. If not, you made a
      mistake" - I have unsubscribed from this guy many times and still get emails from him, that could make it spam. But as I know what the guy does now and I'm going to the webinar how can you say I'm making a mistake?

      Finally, Tony Robbins is an Internet marketer???? What? He's a self help guru.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Well, since this guy makes his money doing 'short sales', if you're not looking to become a real estate flipper why bother listening to the webinar?

        Don't tell me there's some 'magic bullet' about to be revealed...

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    not 50k an Hour 24/7...no way!
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    yeah and out of kindness he just happens to share his "secret method" for $199...LOL I have a bridge I wantt to sell you...

    What if that person IS making half a billion dollars a year as
    the claims state? Would you kick yourself for not being OPEN
    to the possibility of it being true?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    50k an hour? What a slacker....

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  • Profile picture of the author Anoopchawla
    Never ever listen to such hyped claims, my personal experience says they are full of ****
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    Plenty of companies make over ½ a billion a year. That won't even get you on the Forbes 500. The guy that started Groupon will make over 1 billion this year, his second year with the site. ½ a billion is not that far fetched. I am a bit confused as to why it is so unbelievable. Unless you find it unbelievable that this particular 'guru' had access and was enough of a friend to the person for him to do the 'guru' a favor?
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Hi Dogscout.

      He probably can get that kind of money from every property he does a short sale on. His names Nathan Jurewicz, google him. He has an expensive course that shows you how.

      Is that your hat on the dog? I like that hat.
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      • Profile picture of the author DogScout
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Hi Dogscout.

        He probably can get that kind of money from every property he does a short sale on. His names Nathan Jurewicz, google him. He has an expensive course that shows you how.

        Is that your hat on the dog? I like that hat.
        Yeah, I heard of him. The guy that sold my house does 30-50 houses a month. @ an average of 6K each. Not hard to believe. That is Cheyenne, totally white-hat girl. LOL.

        (His secret is he knows most of the big lenders short sale guys personally and so can get their attention (which is 90% of the battle) when others cannot.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    $1,200,000 a day? I am really unsure if I can believe that.
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    There are one man companies selling alpaca hypo-allergic baby blankets doing over that. In some markets, that is not a lot. I AM sure there are some 'undisclosed' expenses, but perhaps not many?
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    It could only be Anthony Robbins!
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    50k an Hour? My God.
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    • Profile picture of the author FredJones
      It sounds, at least at a surface level, that the claim was probably about making that one-off- maybe some big launch of a bigtime webinar. I mean, yes, I have read people making that kind of money here and there in webinars etc, but you don't run a webinar bringing in that much money 24x7 - it happens once in a while.

      Else, this would be a very famous guy - at the levels of Frank Kern maybe?
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      • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
        IMO I don't see the problem with the claim. Even if it's not on a regular basis? Who cares?

        Ultimately even $50k once is more than most of us will ever do. I say the webinar would be worth it even if it produces one small nugget of info you didn't know. Hell, it may even spark some new revelation for someone.

        I never disregard an opportunity to learn...for good or bad. I read tons of books a year for education, some recently on Richard Branson and Steve Jobs. I may never start a record company, a computer company, an airline....but I read them anyway because they motivate me.

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        I like to remember the saying, "Even the smallest pile of dung may contain the seed of a beautiful flower."

        If the webinar is free, go for it. You might just find something that will give you a creative idea for your business.
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        • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

          I didn't realize you had insight into how many hours he worked?
          Actually Thomas, I didn't say it was true or false... I made no assumptions. All I did was clearly point out that there's a difference between what a company grosses and nets... and whether it's PRO RATA or not.

          That's an entirely different point to knowing how many hours the guy worked.

          And whilst we're on the point... do you honestly believe it matters how many hours he works? He's not making that kind of money because he stays late at the office.

          It's the system he's using, the market he's in, the clients and customers he has (or not) that dictates that kind of income (or not.)

          Either way, as I originally stated, I feel that if this guy was making $50k per hour regardless of how many hours he works, you'd probably know his name and heard his story in some major media outlets by now.

          Especially if he's doing it single handedly and that's net profit we're talking about.

          If it's a company, then it's more believable. But even many household name companies don't make that kind of net income per hour... so go figure.

          P.S - If this is indeed about real estate, then yes, I can see there will be money being made. How much did Robert Allen make per hour I wonder?
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

            It's the system he's using, the market he's in, the clients and customers he has (or not) that dictates that kind of income (or not.)

            Either way, as I originally stated, I feel that if this guy was making $50k per hour regardless of how many hours he works, you'd probably know his name and heard his story in some major media outlets by now.

            Especially if he's doing it single handedly and that's net profit we're talking about.

            If it's a company, then it's more believable. But even many household name companies don't make that kind of net income per hour... so go figure.
            Not everyone is a media whore like I am...

            And few rich people jump on a soapbox to advertise their wealth...

            Even Same Walton drove an old pickup truck until his death... He was the richest man in the country at the time, perhaps even in the world, but he felt no need to hide behind a shiny car to brag about who he was...

            At the time my mother actually met him, he drove an older car than I did, and I was dirt poor... His example is one that left a lasting impression on me...

            In fact, I heard it told a few years ago that "Poor people fake wealth until they make wealth... And wealthy people don't give a hoot what you think of them..."

            I may not yet be rich, but I live my life by the second outlook... I could care less if you think I am rich or poor... How much I make is none of your business, and I certainly don't feel a need to regularly advertise how much money I make...
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            • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              Not everyone is a media whore like I am...

              And few rich people jump on a soapbox to advertise their wealth...

              Even Same Walton drove an old pickup truck until his death... He was the richest man in the country at the time, perhaps even in the world, but he felt no need to hide behind a shiny car to brag about who he was...

              At the time my mother actually met him, he drove an older car than I did, and I was dirt poor... His example is one that left a lasting impression on me...

              In fact, I heard it told a few years ago that "Poor people fake wealth until they make wealth... And wealthy people don't give a hoot what you think of them..."

              I may not yet be rich, but I live my life by the second outlook... I could care less if you think I am rich or poor... How much I make is none of your business, and I certainly don't feel a need to regularly advertise how much money I make...
              I'd agree with you, if not for the fact that this guy is going out of his way to hold a seminar about it.

              Are you telling me this same person would turn down thousands of dollars, respect and praise from peers and just stick to webinars aimed at low level/entry level marketers?
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              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

                I'd agree with you, if not for the fact that this guy is going out of his way to hold a seminar about it.

                Are you telling me this same person would turn down thousands of dollars, respect and praise from peers and just stick to webinars aimed at low level/entry level marketers?
                Who said that he does not have the respect and praise he desires from his peers anyway?

                If you are not in his niche, you likely do not know his name, because he is not a Donald Trump who calls a press conference every time he changes his toupee...

                Maybe his favorite soapbox is teaching others to do what he does?

                As was suggested previously in this thread, there are many billionaires around the world whose name most of us have never known...

                That does not mean that what they do is not legitimate, and it does not mean that you and I should have seen their name before now...
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              • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

                I'd agree with you, if not for the fact that this guy is going out of his way to hold a seminar about it.
                Hey, Nick.

                Can you help me move this weekend?

                No, I'm not serious.

                But your answer to that depends on the person, right?

                It depends on how close a friend they are.

                My dad plays golf with about a dozen people on diverse occasions. Some of them are young, driven, successful people fresh out of college with six-figure salaries. Some are older, semi-retired multi-millionaires who own large business interests. And some are struggling blue-collar workers.

                And on one occasion, not so long ago, one of the blue-collar guys needed to move out of his apartment fast. He asked the three guys he was playing golf with that day if they'd help. And that weekend, this plumber had a corporate executive, a major car dealership owner, and a retired military man helping him move.

                If a multi-millionaire in his late fifties will help a plumber carry a sofa downstairs, I'm pretty sure sitting at a computer for an hour and a half to give a webinar isn't so unbelievable.
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              • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
                Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

                I'd agree with you, if not for the fact that this guy is going out of his way to hold a seminar about it.
                He's not "going out of his way"...he's marketing.

                C'mon Nick, you know that...

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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

            Actually Thomas, I didn't say it was true or false... I made no assumptions. All I did was clearly point out that there's a difference between what a company grosses and nets... and whether it's PRO RATA or not.

            That's an entirely different point to knowing how many hours the guy worked.

            And whilst we're on the point... do you honestly believe it matters how many hours he works? He's not making that kind of money because he stays late at the office.

            It's the system he's using, the market he's in, the clients and customers he has (or not) that dictates that kind of income (or not.)

            Either way, as I originally stated, I feel that if this guy was making $50k per hour regardless of how many hours he works, you'd probably know his name and heard his story in some major media outlets by now.

            Especially if he's doing it single handedly and that's net profit we're talking about.

            If it's a company, then it's more believable. But even many household name companies don't make that kind of net income per hour... so go figure.

            P.S - If this is indeed about real estate, then yes, I can see there will be money being made. How much did Robert Allen make per hour I wonder?

            He isn't doing it single handed. I looked at some of his marketing videos and he has a system set up.

            That is why I laugh when people start calculating what he makes when they don't have any idea what is going on.

            There are a lot of people making tens of millions we never heard of. If the guy only works 2 or 3 hours a month then why would we hear about him?

            I honestly doubt Robert Allen has done any real estate investing in a long, long time.
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            • Profile picture of the author Lance K
              I think those who are extrapolating $50,000 per hour out to $1,200,000 per day may have overdosed on the "My system makes $100 a day" kool-aid.

              Anyway, take the $100/day hype and apply your same 24 hour assumptions. That's less than $4.17 per hour.

              Or are only the "uber successful" held to the standard of working 24 hours a day?

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  • Pretty cool. Yeah, the person that comes to mind is Bill Gates, he probably did as much as 50k per hour

    Funny fact - in ONE hour that guru makes as much as average worker in Latvia in 8.3 YEARS. So one day of work to him - more than two ENTIRE "LIFES" of usual work to Latvian person
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  • Profile picture of the author jlucado
    Yeah, I got that email. Was not impressed or motivated to join the webinar in spite of the checkerboard haircut.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      HAHA I love these threads.

      People are already calculating what the guy makes without knowing how much he works.

      Short sales are always fun. Did quite a few of them before. I love IM more otherwise I would be knee deep in them right now.

      The short sale guru states he outsources everything. That means he works very little. Maybe that will help some of the naysayers.

      I don't know if he does what he says but I still find it funny how people calculate what he would make a year without any info as to what he does.

      I am more interested to see if Diess will convert IM'ers into real estate gurus. I see similarity in both markets.


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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        I don't know if he does what he says but I still find it funny how people calculate what he would make a year without any info as to what he does.
        It seems to me that this is a common practice among IMers, as a general rule...

        There are always people who know little on a subject willing to jump in and state definitively one way or another that something is right or wrong...

        They are also willing to offer advice specific to a person, without having the full story about what the person does or how he does it...

        It is a sad reality that so often, it is the "blind leading the blind..."
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          It is a sad reality that so often, it is the "blind leading the blind..."
          Is that why they keep running into obstacles?
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

            Is that why they keep running into obstacles?
            Yep... And you are probably deaf too... When that guy is saying "Duck!!!" he is not talking about the bird....
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            • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              Yep... And you are probably deaf too... When that guy is saying "Duck!!!" he is not talking about the bird....
              Couldn't hear you. Can you type louder?
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                And Dan C Rinnert. No disrespect guys but I'm totally deaf in one ear and profoundly deaf in the other. I don't think there's any need for those comments. Thats why I got into IM so I could create money from home. With the condition I have I'll be totally deaf within 3 years. I think and find comments like that deeply hurtful.
                Richard, no one here tried to hurt you.

                With that said, I think you need to start getting a thicker skin if that "deeply hurt" you.

                Otherwise you might as well shut yourself up in your house and never leave.

                All the best.
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                • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                  I deleted the post, my apologies, touched a raw nerve. I shouldn't have reacted like that. We friends again now?
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Hmm.. guru releasing his "cash cow " short selling propert when property is at histyroical lows and been depressed for years. I smell a market bottom in.

    Gurur bails at top masses buy course at the bottom or in this case..

    Guru bails at the bottom.....masses buy at bottom.
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      Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

      Hmm.. guru releasing his "cash cow " short selling propert when property is at histyroical lows and been depressed for years. I smell a market bottom in.

      Gurur bails at top masses buy course at the bottom or in this case..

      Guru bails at the bottom.....masses buy at bottom.
      I have a feeling you don't do much with real estate like these guys do.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

        Hmm.. guru releasing his "cash cow " short selling propert when property is at histyroical lows and been depressed for years. I smell a market bottom in.

        Gurur bails at top masses buy course at the bottom or in this case..

        Guru bails at the bottom.....masses buy at bottom.
        I have a feeling you don't do much with real estate like these guys do.
        Thomas: You stole the thought right out of my brain...
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    I really don't believe it unless you are an oil company who is doing really well.

    I would be very skeptical about this and would not even take my precious time to see what this is all about.

    If someone tells you something like "$50,000 a month", then that is more realistic and are probably not lying to you at all but $50,000 an hour?

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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

      I really don't believe it unless you are an oil company who is doing really well.

      I would be very skeptical about this and would not even take my precious time to see what this is all about.

      If someone tells you something like "$50,000 a month", then that is more realistic and are probably not lying to you at all but $50,000 an hour?

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      Originally Posted by Mark Jordan View Post

      Why bother tell everyone about it if your making 50K an hour. And making a webinar? If I'm making that kind of money I would be jet setting.
      I read something in a book when I was a teenager that has stuck with me to this very day...

      The author suggested that most wealthy people have one thing in common... They all help others to get what the other people want...

      So at a certain point, doing the work is no longer about the money...

      The secret to a fulfilled life is continuing to give to others, even when you no longer need to make more money...

      So long as you maintain the attitude you have now, you might achieve the first, but will likely never achieve the second...

      But if your selfishness gets in your way, you may never be able to achieve the first either...


      Originally Posted by Super Affiliate View Post

      If that's true that he indeed makes $50k an hour and did it on autopilot, that's 1.2 million dollars a day. And 36 million dollars a month and 432 million dollars a year. Really, why would he even tell anyone about what he does to make that kind of money as if he really needs money?
      If he does one transaction a month, where he earns $50k an hour, he may be the kind of bloke who works one hour a month and gives the rest of the month to his family...

      That would leave him with a measly $600k per year...

      Then again, he might be making $150k per transaction, and working three hours per month to get it... That is fine too, and if he is in real estate, which he is, the sky is the limit...

      I seriously doubt that guy hid behind the words "auto-pilot", because that is synonymous with doing no work, and I am sure this guy will be the first to tell you that he does real work for his living...
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    half a billion dollars per year...? He'd be in Forbes by now, front cover, no doubt.

    I'll say that it's possible for a COMPANY to make that, of course... but there's a chasm of difference between some guy single handedly NETTING half a billion dollars pro rata, and a company GROSSING half a billion per year.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

      half a billion dollars per year...? He'd be in Forbes by now, front cover, no doubt.

      I'll say that it's possible for a COMPANY to make that, of course... but there's a chasm of difference between some guy single handedly NETTING half a billion dollars pro rata, and a company GROSSING half a billion per year.

      I didn't realize you had insight into how many hours he worked?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Jordan
    Why bother tell everyone about it if your making 50K an hour. And making a webinar? If I'm making that kind of money I would be jet setting.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      here's what I think: in this world anything is possible.
      however, I take a lot of things I read online with a grain of salt and I just focus on making money my way...
      works for me...
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  • Profile picture of the author Goatboy
    We all know what 'up to' means, but I usually like a definition for 'regular basis.'

    Once a week is regular, and so is once a month, and so is once a year. In fact, Halley's Comet returns on a 'regular basis,' but I wouldn't want to earn my living based on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

    a) He wants to tell everyone about it, and

    b) He's bothering to get out of bed and do a webinar?
    A man goes into the confessional at a church, and says "I am sixty years old. I have been happily married for forty years. But last week, two young blonde girls approached me at a bar. We got a hotel room and had wild, kinky sex for three days."

    The priest says "How long has it been since your last confession?"

    "I'm not here for confession," says the man. "I'm Jewish."

    The priest says "Then why are you telling me this?"

    "Are you kidding? I'M TELLING EVERYBODY!"
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  • Profile picture of the author Optimist Cam
    Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

    I just got an email off a "guru" saying he knows a guy, not in the IM niche that makes 50k an hour, and he's going to "grill" him over a webinar. Assuming the guys doing that on autopilot 24/7 that means he's on around $438,000,000 a year.

    Is it me or does it seem odd that....

    a) He wants to tell everyone about it, and

    b) He's bothering to get out of bed and do a webinar?

    I've unsubscribed from this guy on the basis that I don't believe the claims and would probably develop a serious drug problem on that sort of cash.

    Does anyone make that sort of money, like anywhere?
    If it were true then he would be making more money than Google and we all know how dominant Google is.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    These threads remind me of psych 101 - the part about Pablov's Dogs.
    Every time someone rings the bell - or in this case, posts that THISDUDEHERE makes XXX amount of money, everyone just starts drooling and going nuts. Why should students have to buy more textbooks when they can just flick up the WF on the classroom screens?
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  • Profile picture of the author Super Affiliate
    If that's true that he indeed makes $50k an hour and did it on autopilot, that's 1.2 million dollars a day. And 36 million dollars a month and 432 million dollars a year. Really, why would he even tell anyone about what he does to make that kind of money as if he really needs money?

    Just a thought..
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    okay, point taken guys. I'll respectfully bow out of this thread and get back to my wine
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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    50k an hour? You would have to be making roughly 750 every minute or selling 7 $100 products in 1 minute?

    Highly unlikely for most but maybe possible as someone mentioned on the second post.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmack
    I am a short sale investor and I make 50K and hour...if I only count the half hour at the closing table and nothing else. Whatta nudnick.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by jimmack View Post

      I am a short sale investor and I make 50K and hour...if I only count the half hour at the closing table and nothing else. Whatta nudnick.
      According to this guru that is all he does. Signs at the closing table. Everything else is handled by staff.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        According to this guru that is all he does. Signs at the closing table. Everything else is handled by staff.
        Like I said, he isn't doing it alone. HECK, what you described is NOTHING.

        AND, AGAIN, not really IM. I mean maybe marketing through the internet, but that is it.

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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Well, so much for steak and kidney pie tomorrow.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas
    Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

    I just got an email off a "guru" saying he knows a guy, not in the IM niche that makes 50k an hour, and he's going to "grill" him over a webinar. Assuming the guys doing that on autopilot 24/7 that means he's on around $438,000,000 a year.

    Is it me or does it seem odd that....

    a) He wants to tell everyone about it, and

    b) He's bothering to get out of bed and do a webinar?

    I've unsubscribed from this guy on the basis that I don't believe the claims and would probably develop a serious drug problem on that sort of cash.

    Does anyone make that sort of money, like anywhere?
    I recently bought a great book written by a hippie-looking British fella who has been in jail for conspiracy to defraud the taxman, spends most of his day writing poems, and has admitted to wasting 100 million on drugs and women. At the same time, he has repeatedly created billion-dollar businesses out of nothing over the last 40 years, and owns more than 50 magazine titles and other publications. He distilled much of what he has learned about business over the last 4 decades into that book...and I only paid €9.99 for it.

    He must be a loser...
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

      8<snipped

      wasting 100 million on drugs and women.

      8< snipped
      Actually, I can think of worse ways to 'invest' my money
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    • Profile picture of the author theemperor
      Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

      I recently bought a great book written by a hippie-looking British fella who has been in jail for conspiracy to defraud the taxman, spends most of his day writing poems, and has admitted to wasting 100 million on drugs and women. At the same time, he has repeatedly created billion-dollar businesses out of nothing over the last 40 years, and owns more than 50 magazine titles and other publications. He distilled much of what he has learned about business over the last 4 decades into that book...and I only paid €9.99 for it.

      He must be a loser...
      What is his name? because I don't believe this story is true.
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      • Profile picture of the author Thomas
        Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

        What is his name?
        Felix Dennis, the guy behind Maxim magazine. (I got the reason for prison wrong; that was someone else I was thinking of. He was actually in prison for publishing supposedly-obscene materials, but got a lesser sentence than his co-accused because the Judge thought he was a bit slow. )

        Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

        ...I don't believe this story is true.
        That's okay. I didn't mention it to try to convince you of it's validity. Lots of people refuse to believe stuff for one reason or another. It's no 'biggie', as they say.
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        • Profile picture of the author Marian Berghes
          Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

          Felix Dennis, the guy behind Maxim magazine. (I got the reason for prison wrong; that was someone else I was thinking of. He was actually in prison for publishing supposedly-obscene materials, but got a lesser sentence than his co-accused because the Judge thought he was a bit slow. )



          That's okay. I didn't mention it to try to convince you of it's validity. Lots of people refuse to believe stuff for one reason or another. It's no 'biggie', as they say.

          I knew I recognized that story from somewhere...gotta finish reading his biography.

          thanks for the reminder
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  • Profile picture of the author michael_dans
    I don't believe that a person could be so capable that he could make $50k per hour. He is just boasting to grab some attention for some other purpose. I think no one should believe him, if this was true then he must have become the richest man in just one month.
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    • Profile picture of the author emcknutt
      Originally Posted by michael_dans View Post

      I don't believe that a person could be so capable that he could make $50k per hour. He is just boasting to grab some attention for some other purpose. I think no one should believe him, if this was true then he must have become the richest man in just one month.

      This sounds like an interesting eye grabbing headline that is usually followed by BS information.

      I believe in the tooth fairy too.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicelife
    I'm pretty sure he doesn't make $50.000 every hour, he might have done it during a product launch or similar!

    Don't believe the hype my friend!
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    doesn't make 50k an hour everyday... LOL

    the dude is in the RE niche. they sell via webinars. they sell VERY high ticket programs in the RE niche.

    so.... it shouldnt be too difficult to sell 50k worth of stuff when you're selling products with a 2-10k price tag.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by michael_dans View Post

      I don't believe that a person could be so capable that he could make $50k per hour. He is just boasting to grab some attention for some other purpose. I think no one should believe him, if this was true then he must have become the richest man in just one month.
      Originally Posted by emcknutt View Post

      This sounds like an interesting eye grabbing headline that is usually followed by BS information.
      Originally Posted by nicelife View Post

      I'm pretty sure he doesn't make $50.000 every hour, he might have done it during a product launch or similar!

      Don't believe the hype my friend!
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      doesn't make 50k an hour everyday... LOL

      the dude is in the RE niche. they sell via webinars. they sell VERY high ticket programs in the RE niche.

      so.... it shouldnt be too difficult to sell 50k worth of stuff when you're selling products with a 2-10k price tag.

      Dave: You were the only one anywhere close...

      The "$50,000 per hour" is not based on Internet sales...

      1. This revenue statistic is not based on Internet sales;

      2. This revenue statistic does not represent money earned during product launches;

      3. This person likely does not work 40-hours per week, like the average wage-slave -- unless he enjoys his work;

      4. The "$50,000 per hour" hourly wage is based on his after-employee costs, and it is based on him spending 30-minutes sitting at the closing table on a real estate deal. His average earnings, after paying expenses, is $25,000 per transaction;

      5. He is doing real estate short sales; and

      6. He is not calculating these revenues based on his "real estate business in a box" sales, but rather the time he sits at the closing table in the average real estate deal...



      ... changed "This Person" to "This revenue statistic" because it was being misinterpreted...

      ... This person does earn money online, but his "$50,000 per hour" claim is based entirely upon his real estate transactions, which he will teach you how to do in his short sale courses he sells online...
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Dave: You were the only one anywhere close...

        1. This person does not sell online;

        2. This person does not do product launches;

        3. This person does not work 40-hours per week, like the average wage-slave;

        4. The hourly wage is based on his after-employee costs, and it is based on him spending 30-minutes sitting at the closing table on a real estate deal. His average earnings, after paying expenses, is $25,000 per transaction;

        5. He is doing real estate short sales; and

        6. He is not calculating these revenues based on his "real estate business in a box" sales, but rather the time he sits at the closing table in the average real estate deal...
        Bill, I wouldn't waste my breathe. This thread proves that people just don't know how to read.

        Love the herd!
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

          I wouldn't waste my breathe. This thread proves that people just don't know how to read.
          What was this thread about, again?

          Oh yea, how a guy is claiming he's made $13.89 a second since birth...:rolleyes:

          I'd never want to do that. Too many taxes...

          ~Bill
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

            What was this thread about, again?

            Oh yea, how a guy is claiming he's made $13.89 a second since birth...:rolleyes:

            I'd never want to do that. Too many taxes...

            ~Bill
            Bill, he only worked one second! Can't you read?
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

            What was this thread about, again?

            Oh yea, how a guy is claiming he's made $13.89 a second since birth...:rolleyes:

            I'd never want to do that. Too many taxes...

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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
              Does the guy have conclusive proof?

              Yes | No

              Does he offer a way for YOU to copy his actions, so YOU can get the same results?

              Yes | No

              Does it help YOU?...not some bonus-hungry dude offering all their previous $197 products for free, so long as you buy through their link (strictly limited)

              Does it help YOU?
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  • Profile picture of the author ShawnPeter
    Sometimes the truth is hard to swallow, even if its the truth. : )
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  • Profile picture of the author vishalduggal
    He may made this money only one time.
    For Example maybe he have a list of 50,000 subscribers.
    He send them an email with a product recommendation and he is making 75$ profit with every sell.
    He just need to sell 700 to make $52,000.
    And it is very easy if your list is very much responsive and you made some presell method also to increase sells.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
    Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

    I just got an email off a "guru" saying he knows a guy, not in the IM niche that makes 50k an hour, and he's going to "grill" him over a webinar. Assuming the guys doing that on autopilot 24/7 that means he's on around $438,000,000 a year.

    Is it me or does it seem odd that....

    a) He wants to tell everyone about it, and

    b) He's bothering to get out of bed and do a webinar?

    I've unsubscribed from this guy on the basis that I don't believe the claims and would probably develop a serious drug problem on that sort of cash.

    Does anyone make that sort of money, like anywhere?
    We all know (or should know) income claims like that refer to a particular period of time that took a lot of prep to setup in order to hit that mark for whatever amount of time. For example, building a huge list, getting JV partners, creating a product, etc. and then sending 4 emails launching the product with partners and grossing $250,038 in 48 hours or whatever.

    Personally, I think Ryan Deiss delivers some of the best material available from his own products on marketing. I've never grabbed the ones where he promotes someone else's, but when him and Perry are together I always get more gems than my money's worth.

    Now, when do grab a Ryan Deiss product it's not in the mindset of having no money and thinking this will change my life, but rather, from the mindset of "I know I'll get a gem in here I can quickly implement in my current business and make a ****load extra this month... or many months."

    The email you're speaking of turns me off as well, and is definitely speaking to the "no or little money online" crowd... I just delete it and stay on the list from when he targets the more serious crowd. There's definitely a lot to learn from Ryan, and he really does open the curtains when he promotes his "from my experience" offers... there's usually a special bonus script in there that's worth the price alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimmy Reilly
    Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

    I just got an email off a "guru" saying he knows a guy, not in the IM niche that makes 50k an hour, and he's going to "grill" him over a webinar. Assuming the guys doing that on autopilot 24/7 that means he's on around $438,000,000 a year.

    Is it me or does it seem odd that....

    a) He wants to tell everyone about it, and

    b) He's bothering to get out of bed and do a webinar?

    I've unsubscribed from this guy on the basis that I don't believe the claims and would probably develop a serious drug problem on that sort of cash.

    Does anyone make that sort of money, like anywhere?
    George Soros and Steven Cohen make 2 - 3 times that each year. Good luck getting guys of that caliber to do a 'webinar' unless you work for CNBC.
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  • Profile picture of the author pyles
    The original post is the reason why I don't subscribe to email lists.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nazbir.Bd
      199 replies, it took me a while to read all the replies in this thread.
      I love it when people start arguing on some topic , because lot more information pop out while they are arguing.
      Some people posted replies even without reading the first reply of this thread...
      I would like to give them a suggestion ... please, first learn to read before you write.
      About $50k once or per or an hour , all i want to say is everything is possible if you have dedication and proper knowledge with a willingness to work hard.

      I am sure if anyone earning that amount of money now , he/she had his/her hard time whether he/she is doing Internet Marketing or Real Estate business.

      Now , the reason I am posting a reply in this thread , I would like to say something to this person :
      Originally Posted by pyles View Post

      The original post is the reason why I don't subscribe to email lists.
      Dear bro , If that's the reason you are not subscribing to any email list , then I will say you will miss a lot of good offers in your life. ( Am not saying this about only email list , what am saying is , the kind of attitude you are showing that will hold you from achieving something good , no offense)

      I personally have a separate email address which one I use to subscribe to every email list that match with my interest . almost 100 emails I receive everyday on that email address .
      Maybe it sounds crazy , maybe some people will say it a waste of time but everyday I spent 1 hour to read all the emails I get in that email's Inbox . And you know what I have learned a lot of things from all those emails I have read till today .
      You don't have to buy all the products they are promoting but you can take lots of ideas from the way they are promoting and what they are promoting .
      And If you read 100 line of c**ps you will at least find 1 line with good information. And if you are new in this IM world , you should read that 100 line c**p. At least you will get the Idea what is c**p .
      Well that's me and my thoughts .

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    its all lies! lies lies lies
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    I made $33,000 in a few hours, does that count?
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    note to all you marketers.... look at the response this thread got from ONE email ryan sent.

    kudos to him
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  • Profile picture of the author kyhell
    food for thought.....
    when i do an offline seminar I usually charge $997 a seat cap it at 60 seats normally sell 50 to 55 at times i sell completely out. so at 50 seats thats $49850.00 for one seminar.
    a seminar lasts 3 to 4 hours but once you subtract the breaks and the meal period I only have to "work" 2.5 to 3 hours tops
    plus the back end sales at times can equal what was made from the initial seminar.

    I guess it makes me chuckle when i hear people scoff at the idea of making huge amounts of money in a very short period of time. Just because you haven't done it doesn't mean that it cant be done.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by kyhell View Post

      food for thought.....

      I guess it makes me chuckle when i hear people scoff at the idea of making huge amounts of money in a very short period of time. Just because you haven't done it doesn't mean that it cant be done.
      Well said...
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    $438 million, that is more than the budget of many countries, I would doubt his claims
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  • Profile picture of the author mnonline
    It quite possible. Like Bill Gate for example? However 400mil + a year is insane. Only a few can achieve this level. Wait for another 10+ years and he will be the richest person in the world or can he?
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Holy moly.

      For all you guys and girls that have a little problem reading past the first post.

      The guy Ryans on about isn't in IM. He's in real estate, he flips homes, he has a team that does this for him and he probably can make 50k an hour if he can flip about 8-10 homes a day. I was skeptical at first, hence the thread but I'm not now.

      Jtpada- webinars free but you'll need to buy his course to figure it out. If you're not into property and never will, it's probably not worth going.

      evertd- I read this email because it says the guy makes 50k an hour. It's called a hook, it made me read it. Ryans a good marketer like that.

      Kyhell- I know and if you'd read the thread, you'd know I know. I said that already. Read the thread. Read this post, with what he does he can make 50k an hour. He has a team doing the deals for him, he's not a one man band. If the comment was aimed at me, please don't think I'm so shallow that I think just because I don't make 50k an hour no one else can. That would make me the richest guy in the world, I'm not. If aimed at the others who didn't bother to read the thread, well said.
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      • Profile picture of the author kyhell
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Holy moly.

        For all you guys and girls that have a little problem reading past the first post.

        The guy Ryans on about isn't in IM. He's in real estate, he flips homes, he has a team that does this for him and he probably can make 50k an hour if he can flip about 8-10 homes a day. I was skeptical at first, hence the thread but I'm not now.

        Jtpada- webinars free but you'll need to buy his course to figure it out. If you're not into property and never will, it's probably not worth going.

        evertd- I read this email because it says the guy makes 50k an hour. It's called a hook, it made me read it. Ryans a good marketer like that.

        Kyhell- I know and if you'd read the thread, you'd know I know. I said that already. Read the thread. Read this post, with what he does he can make 50k an hour. He has a team doing the deals for him, he's not a one man band. If the comment was aimed at me, please don't think I'm so shallow that I think just because I don't make 50k an hour no one else can. That would make me the richest guy in the world, I'm not. If aimed at the others who didn't bother to read the thread, well said.
        was aimed at the latter my friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    I know precisely who you're talking about. I don't doubt the veracity of this $50,000 per hour figure, but he DOES NOT do this on a regular basis. It's only when he successfully flips a foreclosure property that he makes $50k per hour - signing some paperwork, talking on the phone and closing the deal with the buyer!

    So he is telling the truth, but earning $50k per hour is NOT an every day occurrence for him - it ONLY occurs when he successfully flips a property, which might be just 2-3 times a month!!
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      So he is telling the truth, but earning $50k per hour is NOT an every day occurrence for him - it ONLY occurs when he successfully flips a property, which might be just 2-3 times a month!!
      Working only three hours a month, for $50k per month... Not too bad for any person seeking the lifestyle of the rich and famous... LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author singhavn
        50k per is unbelievable. It is more than what many people earn in whole year.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Ingham
          Originally Posted by singhavn View Post

          50k per is unbelievable. It is more than what many people earn in whole year.
          I don't see how you cannot believe that he can turn deals on a "fairly" regular basis that turn this kind of cash for 1-2 hours of his actual involvement.

          He has others do his running, and he is a money man. He moves properties and has no problem exaggerating his earnings because the more it looks like you earn the more other wealthy people want to work with you in that business.

          In IM? Yeah, it can be done as well, but it will be spikes and lots more time. Even if he has others do the work, it will take lots more time.

          Either way I bet you can find his book for sale on Amazon or something like that for much less than he is offering it. Probably better to know the methods and not use them, than to have no idea what other ways there are to make money for being diversified is smart. I would also say that many a rich man has said, when others are selling, it is the time to buy. Just because the market is low doesn't mean it is the time to lay back. If you have the ability and the drive money can be made in any market, at any economic status.

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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Working only three hours a month, for $50k per month... Not too bad for any person seeking the lifestyle of the rich and famous... LOL
        Not a bad way to do this at all, and furthermore I know for a fact he schedules regular "autopilot" recorded webinars (often on the weekends) that rake in the money even when he's off doing whatever the heck he pleases!
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    I also forgot to mention that the guy pulls in big numbers when he does his webinars (selling his real estate information product on short sales, of course)...coincidentally, they run for about an hour!

    I don't doubt there have been webinars where he's earned $50k, though I'm sure they're not an everyday occurrence either. $50k is actually kind of on the low end for a webinar, as Tellman Knudson has claimed that he has earned $1 million (his all-time best so far) from running ONE webinar!
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  • Profile picture of the author benjamindh
    wow...

    spend all your time gossiping about people with success you will never make it yourself - thats the way i see it.

    We can all spend too long thinking about other peoples success and not working on our own.

    I have heard about people making this kind of money - a friend of mine personally knows someone who makes over £1,000,000 a week - when you break that down to a 40 hour work week - thats £25,000 an hour - when put into dollars thats about $34k per hour!! so I do not see why that is not unrealistic!

    It is the internet - so anything can be done... I imagine that the owner of Facebook and the owner of eBay make more money than that!

    I hope that helps.

    Personally I would have stayed on that persons list to find out more lol!
    If you can provide me a link so that i can opt in - I would want to learn more about how to get to that sort of wealth!!

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Instead of trying to pick the guy apart, why don't you instead try to be more constructive (as opposed to destructive) in your approach and dissect what he does in order to learn from him?? It's incredibly easy to dismiss something as hype or scam, but instead of being cynical why don't we endeavor to learn something useful from the actions of these guys?
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    • Profile picture of the author benjamindh
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Instead of trying to pick the guy apart, why don't you instead try to be more constructive (as opposed to destructive) in your approach and dissect what he does in order to learn from him?? It's incredibly easy to dismiss something as hype or scam, but instead of being cynical why don't we endeavor to learn something useful from the actions of these guys?
      Couldn't agree more...

      If someone is making 50k an hour - which i think is achievable - then why not learn how to do it yourself...

      The internet is a big place and there is A LOT of money to be made. You just need to learn how it is done!

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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by benjamindh View Post

        Couldn't agree more...

        If someone is making 50k an hour - which i think is achievable - then why not learn how to do it yourself...

        The internet is a big place and there is A LOT of money to be made. You just need to learn how it is done!

        Ben
        Thats very true Ben, except the guy Ryans introducing you to isn't in Internet marketing, he's in real estate. He does short sales. It's mentioned quite a few times throughout the thread and with the team he's got doing this he can make 50k an hour. His names Nathan Jurewicz. Google it, I did.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Instead of trying to pick the guy apart, why don't you instead try to be more constructive (as opposed to destructive) in your approach and dissect what he does in order to learn from him?? It's incredibly easy to dismiss something as hype or scam, but instead of being cynical why don't we endeavor to learn something useful from the actions of these guys?
      Although, on the whole, I agree with your positive attitude, in this case there are several good reasons for staying away.

      1) Most of us on the WF are not looking to get into the real estate niche. If you are busy truly pursuing an IM business model, you don't have time to pursue every "get rich" niche that shows up in your inbox.

      2) The top two results when I googled the guy were calling him a scammer. Is it true? I don't know, but time to research it is time I could have been working on something I already did the research on, and found to be solid. Nobody has time to do the due diligence on every opportunity that's tossed your way to make a million in your underwear.

      3) If the chances of it being a solid, doable, honest program that could really make you easy gazillions were 50% or better, it might make sense to go ahead and make the time to research it. However, once you've been around the block you realize that there is almost always a very good reason to give it a miss. Why not save yourself the trouble, and stay on track with your current plans. Such emails are good for entertainment, but they bog you down if you catch the fever and actually waste a chunk of your day researching them, before realizing that it was just another *sswipe wasting your time and trying to empty your bank account.

      4) Which leads to the final reason for maintaining my current cynicism about such promos: the higher the claims, the higher the amount they finally hit you for, when they are done giving you the guy's "freebies" that you're advised to take advantage of "before he comes to his senses". In this case, it is apparently around $1600 for his course, and then $200 a month for coaching. (From a guy who may very well never have bought a property in his life-if the scam warnings-[which I admit I won't waste time confirming] are true).

      PS: If you mean, why don't we learn from his marketing, you have to be careful about that. Making huge income claims is an approach that we've all seen and I doubt there is anything all that new about the way he's doing it. If the claims are false, the reason for not emulating him is obvious, unless you aspire to be a crook. If they are true, then we've already learned the lesson a thousand times: if you have a product that really can teach someone to make $50K an hour, mentioning it is beyond obvious, although one must be careful to stay out of trouble with the FCC. Nothing to see here imo.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

        Although, on the whole, I agree with your positive attitude, in this case there are several good reasons for staying away.

        1) Most of us on the WF are not looking to get into the real estate niche. If you are busy truly pursuing an IM business model, you don't have time to pursue every "get rich" niche that shows up in your inbox.

        2) The top two results when I googled the guy were calling him a scammer. Is it true? I don't know, but time to research it is time I could have been working on something I already did the research on, and found to be solid. Nobody has time to do the due diligence on every opportunity that's tossed your way to make a million in your underwear.
        The majority of your concerns from point 3 onwards have already been covered, either in this thread or on the webinar itself

        1) If you had attended the webinar, you'd have found out that this is applicable to many niches, they are not teaching something that is specific to the real estate niche.

        2) This is a time-worn strategy used by Internet Marketers to create controversy and stir up a buzz, either about themselves or some other program/course. It is typically not a reliable indicator (I'm sure you already know this) about what someone is offering, so unless we investigate those claims further we cannot simply believe the headlines we see.
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    Yh when I start making that much I will not be doing any webinars, in fact all I will do is Chillax ... sounds like BS with the greatest respect

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  • Profile picture of the author kartikkhattar
    once i made $50,000 in one hour... it's not that tough, it's very easy. Just keep thinking about $50,000 and go to bed... and that night you sure will make that much ... i made it , but then the alarm went on and i got up cz had 2 leave for work :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Trapped
    oh just order the guy a cake from a shop next to his address and get it delivered to him as "congratulations for your success, can you now please unsubscribe me from your list?"
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  • Profile picture of the author tehnolife
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    Hmmm...let me think, ...you can make 50,000$ per hour if you rob a bank every 8 hours or just a big bank a day.

    This is one solution !
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    No way. Total scam!
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    Do you have the guy's name.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      It's all in the thread dude, need to read it, just a few posts back and in quite a few other posts. Well said Bill.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Actually, the statements that have been made about the guy only making his money from selling real estate are patently untrue. I know for a fact that he has a huge email list, and he markets his big-ticket physical real estate course via prerecorded webinars over and over again - he's done this for well over a year now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Actually, the statements that have been made about the guy only making his money from selling real estate are patently untrue. I know for a fact that he has a huge email list, and he markets his big-ticket physical real estate course via prerecorded webinars over and over again - he's done this for well over a year now.
      Hi Paulie,

      He does make money from property but as I've said before he also has a course on how to do it for sale, I think around $500 but I've read online it's more. Hence, I guess, why Ryans doing the webinar. Thats what the webinars probably about. This guy gives you the low down, then the pitch to buy the course comes along. He makes money from both, just Ryans giving him a platform to sell a whole load more of his courses via the webinar. I never said he just made money from property and I certainly didn't think a free Ryan webinar wouldn't come without a pitch. He's a marketer after all. Can't blame him either. Point is... if you want to make cash with property watch the webinar...then buy the guys course.

      Best to you my friend.
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        [He does make money from property but as I've said before he also has a course on how to do it for sale, I think around $500 but I've read online it's more.]

        Just to let you know - his real estate course started out at just under $500 - it is now $998! This comes with a $197 monthly continuity program as well.
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    Richard, I wasn't referring to you actually. There are others on this thread that immediately shot down the idea that he made any money from the internet, and that all his riches came solely from real estate.

    He makes really good money doing both, and the really nice thing about raking in money from webinars is that he doesn't need to lift a finger once he's recorded them - all he needs is to replay them every time he invites his list to one!

    Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Richard, I wasn't referring to you actually. There are others on this thread that immediately shot down the idea that he made any money from the internet, and that all his riches came solely from real estate.

      He makes really good money doing both, and the really nice thing about raking in money from webinars is that he doesn't need to lift a finger once he's recorded them - all he needs is to replay them every time he invites his list to one!

      Paul
      No worries Paulie,

      R.E. "There are others on this thread that immediately shot down the idea that he made any money from the internet, and that all his riches came solely from real estate." I agree with you entirely. In fact I agree with you're entire post.

      Either way, he makes a ton of cash and we know that for a fact. Don't know what time it is where you are but I'm off to bed my friend! Well said in the last post too!
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        No worries Paulie,

        R.E. "There are others on this thread that immediately shot down the idea that he made any money from the internet, and that all his riches came solely from real estate." I agree with you entirely. In fact I agree with you're entire post.

        Either way, he makes a ton of cash and we know that for a fact. Don't know what time it is where you are but I'm off to bed my friend! Well said in the last post too!
        It is still mid-afternoon here, but thanks for putting this thread back on course. There are way too many naysayers in here who are all too ready to dismiss any success story that comes their way without even giving it the benefit of some cursory investigation...is it any wonder that this forum is littered with a whole bunch of "pretend" marketers who are barely keeping their heads above water?? lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Richard, I wasn't referring to you actually. There are others on this thread that immediately shot down the idea that he made any money from the internet, and that all his riches came solely from real estate.

      He makes really good money doing both, and the really nice thing about raking in money from webinars is that he doesn't need to lift a finger once he's recorded them - all he needs is to replay them every time he invites his list to one!

      Paul
      I don't see anyone shooting him down in regards to making money online. He has a short sale course that he sells online.

      If the webinar is about the short sale course then making 50k an hour is very possible. I have seen many of his videos talking about his short sale course.

      If the webinar is about him selling his course, then again, it is very possible to make 50k an hour.

      If you actually read what some of us said, we were talking about how people automatically calculate weekly, monthly and yearly salary based on "50k an hour". That is what we were referring to as well as the possibility of making 50k an hour.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        I don't see anyone shooting him down in regards to making money online. He has a short sale course that he sells online.

        If the webinar is about the short sale course then making 50k an hour is very possible. I have seen many of his videos talking about his short sale course.

        If the webinar is about him selling his course, then again, it is very possible to make 50k an hour.

        If you actually read what some of us said, we were talking about how people automatically calculate weekly, monthly and yearly salary based on "50k an hour". That is what we were referring to as well as the possibility of making 50k an hour.
        Thomas, I wasn't referring to you either. There are several posters on this thread who immediately shot down the notion that anyone who made $50k for doing an hour's work would stoop down to the indignity of doing a webinar - these are the people that I'm referring to, not you or Richard.
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          Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

          Thomas, I wasn't referring to you either. There are at least several posters on this thread who immediately shot down the notion that anyone who made $50k for doing an hour's work would stoop down to the indignity of doing a webinar - these are the people that I'm referring to, not you or Richard.
          Sorry, I thought everyone talked about me.

          Yeah, your right. That just shows us that if the truth sounds outlandish to most it may kill our credibility.
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          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            Sorry, I thought everyone talked about me.

            Yeah, your right. That just shows us that if the truth sounds outlandish to most it may kill our credibility.

            Sometimes it pays to stick out and be polarizing, you want as a marketer to be well-known and recognized for what you do - so long as you're not stretching the truth, why not do it and stand out like a sore thumb from the conformist "me-too" crowd?

            On a side note, Nathan has clearly done this with his crazy one-of-a-kind hair cuts and colors! lol
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Richard, I wasn't referring to you actually. There are others on this thread that immediately shot down the idea that he made any money from the internet, and that all his riches came solely from real estate.

      He makes really good money doing both, and the really nice thing about raking in money from webinars is that he doesn't need to lift a finger once he's recorded them - all he needs is to replay them every time he invites his list to one!

      Paul

      Must be talking about my post...

      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Dave: You were the only one anywhere close...

      1. This person does not sell online;

      2. This person does not do product launches;

      3. This person does not work 40-hours per week, like the average wage-slave;

      4. The hourly wage is based on his after-employee costs, and it is based on him spending 30-minutes sitting at the closing table on a real estate deal. His average earnings, after paying expenses, is $25,000 per transaction;

      5. He is doing real estate short sales; and

      6. He is not calculating these revenues based on his "real estate business in a box" sales, but rather the time he sits at the closing table in the average real estate deal...

      What was said was that his $50,000 per hour quote was not based on his Internet revenues... Pay special close attention to #6...

      The "$50,000 an hour" was calculated only against what he earns when closing real estate deals...

      Of course he does make money online... That is how this convo started in the first place... He is doing a free webinar to sell his "real estate business in a box" package...

      The post was only made to address the suggestions that this must be a scam, because it is impossible to make "$50,000 an hour", unless you are doing one-off Internet product launches...

      I edited my original post for clarification... Because #1 does make it seem that I was saying he does not make any money online, which #6 contradicted....



      p.s. To the folks who are arguing that he should be famous by now, the truth is that he is probably famous in certain circles...

      Just because you have not yet heard of him, does not mean that he is not yet famous... LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Must be talking about my post...




        What was said was that his $50,000 per hour quote was not based on his Internet revenues... Pay special close attention to #6...

        The "$50,000 an hour" was calculated only against what he earns when closing real estate deals...

        Of course he does make money online... That is how this convo started in the first place... He is doing a free webinar to sell his "real estate business in a box" package...

        The post was only made to address the suggestions that this must be a scam, because it is impossible to make "$50,000 an hour", unless you are doing one-off Internet product launches...

        I edited my original post for clarification... Because #1 does make it seem that I was saying he does not make any money online, which #6 contradicted....



        p.s. To the folks who are arguing that he should be famous by now, the truth is that he is probably famous in certain circles...

        Just because you have not yet heard of him, does not mean that he is not yet famous... LOL
        Yes, I guess you were one of the offending posters, but only because #1 seemed to outright contradict #6 (any way you look at it, those two statements are contradictory!)

        By the way, I have a strong feeling (since Ryan Deiss is doing the webinar tonight) that he HAS also earned $50,000 per hour (probably his personal best) doing webinars selling his high-ticket short sale course. His course currently sells for $998, so he'd only have to sell 50 or so courses during the webinar to get that $50K!

        I think he's maximizing his potential to the fullest by BOTH doing and teaching - after all if he's really successful at flipping real estate short sale deals, why not also sell a course based on the experience he's gained doing these deals (he also has a $197 monthly continuity/webinar coaching package that comes bundled with the course - you can opt out though) to go together with it?

        Paul

        P.S. Btw, I'm in your neck of the woods, just to the south - in Oklahoma City.
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        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Just because you have not yet heard of him, does not mean that he is not yet famous... LOL
        I challenge anyone to find someone other than me who recognises all five of these names without doing any research:

        Jon Postel
        Tom Larabie
        Gerry Spence
        Lonnie Lowery
        Wayne Houchin

        All of these names are famous within their own circles - technology, typography, law, bodybuilding, and magic respectively.

        Outside those circles? Nobody knows who the hell they are.
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          I challenge anyone to find someone other than me who recognises all five of these names without doing any research:

          Jon Postel
          Tom Larabie
          Gerry Spence
          Lonnie Lowery
          Wayne Houchin

          All of these names are famous within their own circles - technology, typography, law, bodybuilding, and magic respectively.

          Outside those circles? Nobody knows who the hell they are.
          Haha... Great example...

          I only know Gerry Spence...
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    pauljyron, he is not just anyone, and I'm pretty sure he is a millionaire as well. If someone like Ryan Deiss vouches for him, you can be sure he is not just some guy off the street making outrageous claims. He has been doing this for well over a year now. For heaven's sakes, please READ the entire thread before making a snap judgment here - he is NOT in the IM niche, and this has been repeated several times in here already.
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    Wow I guess its doable but itll take some time
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  • Profile picture of the author jthenry55
    Thats totally unreal numbers and ones that should not be believed.
    But I really do make $40,000 an hour. PM me and I'll coach you on how to do this for the low price $40,000 an hour.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bellusccio89
    Wow 50k an hour is alot but think of it if this guy is even a few 0's away from the truth thats still mad money lol who is he?
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  • Profile picture of the author EngrKhalid
    well you can make much more than 50k per hour depending on how much you have invested and how and where you have invested, the important thing is ROI, return on investment, not your profit,
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  • After reading the posts here and doing my own research, I thought this webinar was going to be about how those two guys Nathan and Chris make their money in short sales. So far (an hour into this webinar)... it's been them introducing themselves and giving their background. They talk about internet marketing. And now they're discussing webinars. I'm kind of disappointed. I want to know more about the short sales, and so far that's not happening.

    Edit: Did more research, and it sounds like they're discussing the pareto sales accelerator (do a search for it on google and you'll find it). I guess they're selling a $1997 internet marketing course on webinars, virtual sales team, and list building.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by MidnightMarketing View Post

      After reading the posts here and doing my own research, I thought this webinar was going to be about how those two guys Nathan and Chris make their money in short sales. So far (an hour into this webinar)... it's been them introducing themselves and giving their background. They talk about internet marketing. And now they're discussing webinars. I'm kind of disappointed. I want to know more about the short sales, and so far that's not happening.

      Edit: Did more research, and it sounds like they're discussing the pareto sales accelerator (do a search for it on google and you'll find it). I guess they're selling a $1997 internet marketing course on webinars, virtual sales team, and list building.
      I think I guessed it right, that they were going to talk about the marketing process they utilize for their real estate short sales course. As they revealed on the webinar tonight, they've actually made more than $50k per hour running prerecorded webinars that are showcasing their real estate short sales course.

      If you're interested in actually learning about their short sales system, you can go here to find out more - Short Sales Riches If you opt in to their list there, you'll receive emails notifying you about their upcoming short sales webinars.
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    I can understand why people get frustrated with all the hype constantly being promoted to us, but with that said these big claims get people talking and now we are even promoting him more lol
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    It's very easy (and all too convenient) to dismiss someone's success story as a hoax, scam and trickery of some sort. If any of you attended the webinar that Ryan Deiss held with these guys, you'll know that they regularly get these numbers (they pulled in over $5 million in information product sales in 2009 alone and are on track to surpassing that figure this year) - and here's the kicker - with the automation tools available today they're pulling in these crazy numbers doing this only part-time! This is sort of a side project of theirs, and they're actually in the trenches everyday working on real estate deals.

    I'm sure we can all learn something from these guys, and I think it's far better to try to pick up constructive tips about what what they're doing, rather than to immediately bury your head in the sand and dismiss it just because you cannot envision this scenario happening for yourself!
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidSaaf
    $50.000 AN HOUR is possible using a planified Product launch.. this will take time to prepare and put the pieces together. But it worths the effort
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by DavidSaaf View Post

      $50.000 AN HOUR is possible using a planified Product launch.. this will take time to prepare and put the pieces together. But it worths the effort
      Again, not necessarily true. Please take the time to read through this entire thread before jumping to conclusions as to how this money was generated.
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  • Profile picture of the author buckz55
    wow that's so cool!

    a guy on the internet says he makes $50,000 an hour so it must be true
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  • Profile picture of the author dejoliet31
    It is certainly possible that the claim stands on a legitimate foundation. The problem is with the unfounded extrapolation in order to draw interest and attention.

    When the claims sounds totally unrealistic, it results in those, like me, who don't believe either the foundation or the extrapolated result.

    So let's keep it real.... Please!
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by dejoliet31 View Post

      It is certainly possible that the claim stands on a legitimate foundation. The problem is with the unfounded extrapolation in order to draw interest and attention.

      When the claims sounds totally unrealistic, it results in those, like me, who don't believe either the foundation or the extrapolated result.

      So let's keep it real.... Please!
      There is nothing wrong or unrealistic with the claim, and if you actually took the time to follow this thread you'll know exactly how this money was generated. If anything, they took the conservative approach and threw out a lower figure - if you had attended the webinar you'd have known about the huge (higher than the claim) amounts that were actually generated.

      Unfortunately (as we've seen multiple times already), it's people like you who are jumping on the bandwagon to dispense snap judgments and make unfounded extrapolations about the income earned.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

        There is nothing wrong or unrealistic with the claim, and if you actually took the time to follow this thread you'll know exactly how this money was generated. If anything, they took the conservative approach and threw out a lower figure - if you had attended the webinar you'd have known about the huge (higher than the claim) amounts that were actually generated.

        Unfortunately (as we've seen multiple times already), it's people like you who are jumping on the bandwagon to dispense snap judgments and make unfounded extrapolations about the income earned.
        I know there are 181 -- now 182 -- posts in this thread, but yes, all the info people need to know to judge this legit or scam has been posted in the thread.... If you will only take the time to read....
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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          I know there are 181 -- now 182 -- posts in this thread, but yes, all the info people need to know to judge this legit or scam has been posted in the thread.... If you will only take the time to read....
          Thanks for dropping by and holding down the fort! I've noticed this disturbing habit lately in here for people to just drop in and bash anything and everything that they're either envious about or can't believe, oftentimes because they cannot see themselves doing it! They're so automatically conditioned to do this that they don't even want to read and investigate a bit further before pronouncing judgment on something - I guess what they say about video being king is true after all as people are just too lazy to read anymore, lol!
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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    why is everyone telling my hourly income ...

    It could be true, but if he's making it 24/365, I don't think.. that's possible.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

      why is everyone telling my hourly income ...

      It could be true, but if he's making it 24/365, I don't think.. that's possible.
      No one ever said that he was, Caleb - it's just an unfounded extrapolation that many people are making. Even if he's making $50,000 a week doing a hour's worth of work (I can tell you for a fact that he earns more than that), you wouldn't consider that a disappointing figure, would you?
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        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

        (I can tell you for a fact that he earns...
        Really? Where is the proof?
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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    No, That's an awesome income
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Is it easy to make $50k an hour for someone just starting out? Maybe not...but armed with the right knowledge and experience, it's probably not as hard as you think, and most definitely not as hard a landing a man on the moon or anything like that!
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  • Profile picture of the author The Crog
    Seriously, if he is making $50,000 an hour, where is his private island. The tax problem alone would make me buy my own country to keep it.

    Maybe the rich dude is just being kind to his poor friend and helping him sell another get rich fast scheme so the poor guy can buy his own tax shelter.

    I've followed to many guru's over the last 20+ years and they all reinvent their history ever so often.

    You know at the end of the webinar the will be a big sales pitch.

    Good luck and prosperity to all.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by The Crog View Post

      Seriously, if he is making $50,000 an hour, where is his private island. The tax problem alone would make me buy my own country to keep it.

      Maybe the rich dude is just being kind to his poor friend and helping him sell another get rich fast scheme so the poor guy can buy his own tax shelter.

      I've followed to many guru's over the last 20+ years and they all reinvent their history ever so often.

      You know at the end of the webinar the will be a big sales pitch.

      Good luck and prosperity to all.
      Unfortunately, you're making inferences that just don't exist in reality. I know it's human instinct to shoot down something you can't believe or comprehend, but if you had read through this entire thread you would not be dropping a snide comment like this in here.

      No one ever said he was making $50,000 an hour, 24 hours a day and every single day of the week, would it make it more comprehensible/believable to you if he was averaging $50,000 a week doing an hour's worth of work (he makes more than that, FYI)?
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  • Profile picture of the author Hostie
    Not true at all.

    Unless like everyone else said it was because of a huge launch that he built a massive list the past few years.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Hostie View Post

      Not true at all.

      Unless like everyone else said it was because of a huge launch that he built a massive list the past few years.
      Please don't enlighten us about your ignorance with a silly comment like that, if you had read through this entire thread you'd have known that this has absolutely nothing to do with product launches.
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