Are People Faking Video Proof On Clickbank

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Screenshots seem to be old news these day...and nearly every product seems to have video proof of clickbank account

My question though...like a lot of clickbank screenshots...are these video's being faked too?
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  • Profile picture of the author tehnolife
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    Hmm...a few of them are faked if it's sounds too good to be true! Anyway if a screenshot seems to good to be true, then that screenshot is fake!!


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    • Profile picture of the author JackTriggs
      Originally Posted by tehnolife View Post

      Hmm...a few of them are faked if it's sounds too good to be true! Anyway if a screenshot seems to good to be true, then that screenshot is fake!!


      Stefan Ion
      So people can actually fake a video showing their clickbank account too?...that's scary
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Jack videos are much harder to fake but yes, they can be as well.

        I've personally become so jaded with the income proof stuff that I rarely
        include it on any of my sales pages. Most people don't believe it anyway.

        Naturally, this is just my opinion and you should test your own sales pages
        with and without to see which converts better.
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      • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
        Originally Posted by JackTriggs View Post

        So people can actually fake a video showing their clickbank account too?...that's scary
        Sir, you are W-A-Y behind!

        If you are using income proof as a barometer to determine if you are going to purchase a product, service or ebook, you are indeed subject to getting burned repeatedly.

        Watch this video and you'll see what I mean...


        At one point back in 2006 people were selling the code to spoof Clickback, Commission Junction, Adsense, Amazon.com and all the major monetization systems. That code is now available for free.

        Suffice it to say that these shady and shyster IMers realize they can easily manipulate the emotions of noobs with these spoof proof of incomes... and yes, unfortunately they are used a lot.

        The take away is this; if you are a potential buyer of IM information and/or products who asking for or demanding proof of income you have a lot to learn about Internet Marketing. You should probably cease to buying anything until you learn the fundamentals of Internet Marketing.

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        • Profile picture of the author JackTriggs
          Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

          Sir, you are W-A-Y behind!

          If you are using income proof as a barometer to determine if you are going to purchase a product, service or ebook, you are indeed subject to getting burned repeatedly.

          Watch this video and you'll see what I mean...

          YouTube - Fake ClickBank Income "Proof"

          At one point back in 2006 people were selling the code to spoof Clickback, Commission Junction, Adsense, Amazon.com and all the major monetization systems. That code is now available for free.

          Suffice it to say that these shady and shyster IMers realize they can easily manipulate the emotions of noobs with these spoof proof of incomes... and yes, unfortunately they are used a lot.

          The take away is this; if you are a potential buyer of IM information and/or products who asking for or demanding proof of income you have a lot to learn about Internet Marketing. You should probably cease to buying anything until you learn the fundamentals of Internet Marketing.

          Giles, the Crew Chief
          Yes I know fake screenshots of Clickbank accounts can be done. But I was asking whether all those ''See Me Logging Into My Clickbank Account'' videos have the potential to be faked aswell.

          Thanks Steven for your contribution
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by JackTriggs View Post

            Yes I know fake screenshots of Clickbank accounts can be done. But I was asking whether all those ''See Me Logging Into My Clickbank Account'' videos have the potential to be faked aswell.

            Thanks Steven for your contribution
            What's so difficult about copying the source code for a page, making the data say what you want it to say, and then shooting a video of you "opening your CB account" using that cloned page?

            If I tell you that I'm opening my Clickbank account, and you believe me, I can show you anything I want as long as it looks like a Clickbank page.
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            • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
              Income claims are worthless without also seeing the expenses associated with that income. They could show a staggering amount of income but if it cost them more than that in PPC, outsourcing, etc, they're not being honest about the claim.

              It's a meaningless number at best.

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            • Profile picture of the author JackTriggs
              Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

              What's so difficult about copying the source code for a page, making the data say what you want it to say, and then shooting a video of you "opening your CB account" using that cloned page?

              If I tell you that I'm opening my Clickbank account, and you believe me, I can show you anything I want as long as it looks like a Clickbank page.
              Thanks John, so you do believe that some products on Clickbank, are using these faked videos on their salespage
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              • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                If you believe that, I have some swampland in New Jersey to sell you...

                REAL cheap.
                Steven, you beat me to it. Only I was going to offer him some Florida waterfront, but only if he could wait for low tide to see it...

                Originally Posted by JackTriggs View Post

                Thanks John, so you do believe that some products on Clickbank, are using these faked videos on their salespage
                Not just Clickbank, although I'd bet dollars to doughnuts one could find fakes there.

                If you have an account, or even access to one long enough to grab the source code for the page and the style sheet, you can fake any site you want - PayPal, Clickbank, a real bank, merchant account - whatever.

                Then, like a stage magician, you rely on the audience's desire to believe what they're seeing. If I tell you the hot blond in the skimpy costume was teleported from the box on stage to the back of the crowd, you want to believe that the girl is the same one that was on stage and not her identical twin sister...
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              Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

              What's so difficult about copying the source code for a page, making the data say what you want it to say, and then shooting a video of you "opening your CB account" using that cloned page?

              If I tell you that I'm opening my Clickbank account, and you believe me, I can show you anything I want as long as it looks like a Clickbank page.
              I saw a video recently that immediately made me think the marketer had done exactly this.
              The camera would zoom out to show him sitting at his desk and he'd talk, then he'd turn around and click a tab on his web browser and scroll down a bit and then the camera would zoom in to his "clickbank" page.

              Funny thing is, the camera NEVER showed the address bar. The cameraman would zoom in to the bottom of the monitor's screen and then slowly move the camera up from there and stop just short of the address bar. Then he'd zoom out, the guy would talk some more, then turn to show us some more "proof" and the cameraman would zoom in again, using the same "slowly creep up from the bottom of the screen" trick.

              Lots of warning bells ringing in my head. Too easy to copy source code and images to your own folder and then just conveniently not show that you've got C:\\fakesite\index.html in your address bar.
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        • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
          Originally Posted by Vitaliy K View Post

          I have never seen that people have fake videos, but it always depends on the person. Gurus and BIG players do not use fake screenshots and fake videos. They always show their real earnings.
          Ok, this is a joke, RIGHT!?!

          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          If you believe that, I have some swampland in New Jersey to sell you...

          REAL cheap.
          And I've got a rare 2014 Lamborghini Borg that you can purchase NOW and resell in 2011 for a instant 300% profit guaranteed... AND, I've got sproof!

          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          First, thanks Giles, you saved me a lot of explaining.

          Second, just to back up Giles and reinforce what he said: Videos are very easy to fake. I took one course in video making, actually I'm only through 14 lessons out of about 60, and already I could fake a video if I chose to. Unfortunately, it's very simple!

          And in case anyone is thinking of asking ... no, I won't fake one for you and won't teach you how.
          Dennis, you brought up a critical point and that is... Videos are very easy to fake.

          Did you catch that veylo?

          Originally Posted by veylo View Post

          Video's can be faked with alot of hard work and knowledge...
          Hard work? Not hardly!

          Dennis is taking a video course and has learned the process but the instructions on rendering spoof income videos is readily available online and the process only takes a copy here, a paste there and a few clicks here and there and BAM, the shysters have fake income videos for PayPal, Clickbank, Commission Junction, Adsense, etc., etc,.

          That's why I became a member of "ALL" of the major Beelackhat forums and sites.

          I keep track of what they are doing.

          When they start having discussions about how to pull this off or that off, I'm right there.

          I'll never forget the time the members of one forum were furiously hell bent on cracking Milan's Automatic Article Submitter. When I tell you these dudes were relentless in their pursuits, that is an understatement!

          They tried every which way but loose and didn't give up until they had spent almost four weeks trying to crack AAS. At one point, I thought they had it and I emailed Milan to let him know. But that attempt fizzled out also.

          I regularly see threads from individuals complaining about how they keep getting caught trying to register new profiles on the Warrior Forum and how to beat the WF system.

          DULY NOTE: The game is to get back in under new names and profiles so they can hawk inferior products and software and then bail out in a blaze of glory.

          My point is, when it comes to spoofing income whether it be VIA video or pics, these shysters are quite aggressive and they are not an anomaly nor or they an aberration.

          They are out in force en masse!

          So, once again, and this is for those of you who feel like you need to see some sort of proof of income to validate a product or offer... let it go.

          You need to learn the fundamentals of Internet Marketing and build from there. That way, you are not subject to the slight of hand by these polished online crooks!

          No one can sell you a bunk system on Adsense, Amazon, Clickbank, etc., when you understand On Page SEO and Off Page SEO.

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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

            Dennis, you brought up a critical point and that is... Videos are very easy to fake.

            -snip-

            Dennis is taking a video course and has learned the process...
            Just to clarify, the course doesn't teach how to fake earning statements. I knew how it could be done without taking the course, what I didn't know was how to use the editing software. That's what the video course taught me that would allow me to create fraudulent videos if I were that kind of person.

            In reference to the above, I was only talking about the video editing capabilities needed to doctor a legitimate video, but to be honest, you could make a convincing video with any video camera or screen recording software without needing to edit the video. I'm not going to say how to do it, but it doesn't take a lot of thought.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dave d
                Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

                Any ideas on how to adequately tell if the screenie is fake or real? I don't pay attention to 'em' much anyway, as I don't buy products that make big claims.
                There was a Warrior on here that edited eer faked his Click Banks earnings but forgot to make those bars underneath match up.

                Originally Posted by Paul Barrs View Post


                If you *need* offer proof -

                Is it possible that you don't really believe that the product you're selling actually can do what you say it can do in the hands of others?

                Or is it that you just know that your sales copy is crap and people won't buy it without "proof".

                Maybe it's that (on the other side of the coin) have an ego problem and even though your 35 still *need* the approval of others.


                - Paul Barrs

                Paul there is no getting away from the fact that proof is a major element in sales copy and it excites the pants of newbies.
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by tehnolife View Post

      Hmm...a few of them are faked if it's sounds too good to be true! Anyway if a screenshot seems to good to be true, then that screenshot is fake!!


      Stefan Ion
      So, if it seems too good to be true to you, but it doesn't seem too good to be true to me, does that mean it is real?
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  • Profile picture of the author Trieu
    When I see these proof videos, I always assume its real. I mean, is it even possible to fake a video?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave d
    It still amazes me that potential buyers ask for income proof because its pointless and tells you nothing.

    Let me give you a little senario,

    Johnny is selling an info product and he has video proof of him logging in to his Clickbank account to "prove his system works"

    Low and behold is Clickbank account is about to burst with all those affiliate commissions.

    Now consider this.

    He earned that money 1 of a million ways that had nothing to do with his system.

    Its not even his account maybe its his and his partners and his partner did most of the work.

    Maybe he spent more to get what he actually earned and he is operating at a loss.

    etc etc

    Im sure you can think of many more. Point being you will have absolutely no idea whether that money was earned using the system Johnny is flogging unless you actually sit down beside him and watch a campaign from start to finish.
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    • Profile picture of the author JackTriggs
      Originally Posted by Dave d View Post

      It still amazes me that potential buyers ask for income proof because its pointless and tells you nothing.

      Let me give you a little senario,

      Johnny is selling an info product and he has video proof of him logging in to his Clickbank account to "prove his system works"

      Low and behold is Clickbank account is about to burst with all those affiliate commissions.

      Now consider this.

      He earned that money 1 of a million ways that had nothing to do with his system.

      Its not even his account may its his and his partners.

      Maybe he spent more to get what he actually earned.

      etc etc

      Im sure you can think of many more. Point being you will have absolutely no idea whether that money was earned using the system Johnny is flogging unless you actually sit down beside him and watch a campaign from start to finish.
      Thanks...but at least that money is real, and the data hasn't been tampered with.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
    Yes, some are fake and yes it is very possible.
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    • Profile picture of the author JackTriggs
      Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

      Yes, some are fake and yes it is very possible.
      Thanks...guess video proof will become the new screenshot so to speak
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      • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
        Originally Posted by JackTriggs View Post

        Yes I know fake screenshots of Clickbank accounts can be done. But I was asking whether all those ''See Me Logging Into My Clickbank Account'' videos have the potential to be faked aswell.

        Thanks Steven for your contribution
        The answer is, "YES!" They use almost the exact same code/script to render it live. REMEMBER, you are watching a video! that can easily be manipulated every which way the mind can imagine.

        Originally Posted by Teo View Post

        When I see these proof videos, I always assume its real. I mean, is it even possible to fake a video?
        Now you know better...

        Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

        But only shady people do things like this and usually won't succeed in the long run.
        Thomas, you are right on the first half of your statement but on the second half, the truth is most of these individuals don't get caught.

        That's why they are so brazen with publishing their spoof incomes.

        For example, one person was pushing his Adsense Empire income system and he had the [spoof] proof of income to back up his insane astronomical claims. When noobs took a look at what they believed to be his Adsense account, they bought his system like crazy.

        With that flood of buyers, the Adsense Empire copy cats flooded the market. How they got caught was that NONE of them bothered to read the Adsense TOS.

        They were racing to launch these Adsense Empire systems and hustling them to noobs based on the strength that they could prove they were making $500.00 to $1,300.00 or more PER DAY!

        If you go and check, you will find virtually all of these Adsense Empire sites [many still available for sale on Clickbank] in the IM crash and burn category. Meaning, they still exist online and only people without a clue are buying them. For example, go to: Topic.ws Information & Articles Database Notice what's glaringly missing from the pages on that site????

        Did you catch it?

        Here's the bottom line; these spoof proof of income scams will continue as long as there is a Internet but most importantly - as long as noobs keep hot headily demanding that IMers marketers show them proof.

        All forms of monetization can be spoofed on video, including PayPal!

        You still want PROOF?

        Here ya go noob!


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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
    But only shady people do things like this and usually won't succeed in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hans Klein
    Something else to watch out for is not just faked proof elements, but misrepresentations of where the income comes from.

    A lot of these guys may generate all their clickbank income from selling information products on how to make money on clickbank, but then they show off their stats as though they were generated from the affiliate scheme they're selling at the moment.

    Does this mean you should not use Clickbank proof to sell your product or service?

    Maybe. If your audience is indeed skeptical and jaded, then you may show more details to prove your claims are legitimate. Show the video or stats have not been tampered with. Alternatively, you might focus on other proof elements, such as case-studies from successful students, your own case-studies, real-life examples, other income statements, endorsements from credible folks, and have more believable and realistic claims in the first place.

    Put simply, don't just have proof elements because you think this is what you have to do. Do so in order to back-up your claims. Every part of your sales message should add to it.
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    • Profile picture of the author JackTriggs
      Originally Posted by Hans Klein View Post

      Something else to watch out for is not just faked proof elements, but misrepresentations of where the income comes from.

      A lot of these guys may generate all their clickbank income from selling information products on how to make money on clickbank, but then they show off their stats as though they were generated from the affiliate scheme they're selling at the moment.

      Does this mean you should not use Clickbank proof to sell your product or service?

      Maybe. If your audience is indeed skeptical and jaded, then you may show more details to prove your claims are legitimate. Show the video or stats have not been tampered with. Alternatively, you might focus on other proof elements, such as case-studies from successful students, your own case-studies, real-life examples, other income statements, endorsements from credible folks, and have more believable and realistic claims in the first place.

      Put simply, don't just have proof elements because you think this is what you have to do. Do so in order to back-up your claims. Every part of your sales message should add to it.
      Nearly all the products I've seen do this though
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  • Profile picture of the author veylo
    Video's can be faked with alot of hard work and knowledge, see when we sell our sites now, we give that clickbank account with the site, not only that we also let interested parties to watch us log into the said clickbank account via teamviewer.

    Screenshots are now outdated, it's a shame some people ruined buying sites by faking screenies and ruining newbie buyers confidence to purchase a site again.
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  • Profile picture of the author dremora
    I know of people who make close to 10k/month, and they have far less cash than I do after paying
    -the affiliate commissions
    -JV/Launch expenses
    -Copywriters (top notch copywriters charge tens of thousand for sales letters, and couple few hundred per autoresponder email copy, I know cause I personally got quotes from a few that did major guru product sales letters)
    -Graphics designers, video editors, web designers
    -Article writers/submitters
    -Video marketing (some have dozens of accounts on youtube and they hire VA's to create/post all that stuff)
    -Customer support outsourcers (esp. if they have continuity programs)
    -And of course the dreaded refunds.
    Not to mention the heavy tax bills.

    I have seen high rollers living in dismal apartments. Some people go as far as renting an expensive car for a day to shoot show-off vids ( I ain't naming any names, you wouldn't believe me if I did anyway).

    I have seen some marketers who claimed to make millions but they ain't living the millionaire lifestyle at all - and this is not cause they are non-materialistic spiritual people

    Why do they go to a cheap 3rd world country as soon as they 'make it' why don't they go live in some Mediterranean paradise or Hawaii?

    I believe a lot of those figures are heavily inflated, and even the 'real' unadultered ones do not account for taxes and expenses.
    No wonder FTC cracked down on income claims left, right and center.

    You can make a decent living by marketing, but product launches are costly and short lived. You are much better off doing low profile stuff that lasts longer.

    I made it policy not to make income claims in any of my info products, I only show possibilities and verifiable solid real life examples people can go and check themselves on well respected reliable web sites. That may make me a bad marketer but I know for a fact that not everyone is capable of coming up with the same things to make the same money, so I'd rather be a bad marketer than a dishonest shyster.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hoopatang
      Originally Posted by dremora View Post

      Why do they go to a cheap 3rd world country as soon as they 'make it' why don't they go live in some Mediterranean paradise or Hawaii?
      Because one way of staying wealthy is not to spend all of your money needlessly.

      Why pay a $300k a month on a view of a beautiful beach in Hawaii when you can spend $500 a month on a view of a beautiful beach in a "third-world country"?

      Don't discount someone because of where they're living; it could just be that they've got solid common sense and want the money they have to last as long as possible.
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        Originally Posted by Hoopatang View Post

        Because one way of staying wealthy is not to spend all of your money needlessly.

        Why pay a $300k a month on a view of a beautiful beach in Hawaii when you can spend $500 a month on a view of a beautiful beach in a "third-world country"?

        Don't discount someone because of where they're living; it could just be that they've got solid common sense and want the money they have to last as long as possible.
        Or maybe it's because the extradition process is a little more difficult, if not impossible in some of these third world countries.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vitaliy K
    I have never seen that people have fake videos, but it always depends on the person. Gurus and BIG players do not use fake screenshots and fake videos. They always show their real earnings.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Vitaliy K View Post

      I have never seen that people have fake videos, but it always depends on the person. Gurus and BIG players do not use fake screenshots and fake videos. They always show their real earnings.
      If you believe that, I have some swampland in New Jersey to sell you...

      REAL cheap.
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        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        If you believe that, I have some swampland in New Jersey to sell you...

        REAL cheap.
        He does not want to your swampland...

        Because I have some prime beachfront real estate in North Dakota that I'm practically giving away...
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      Originally Posted by Joe.Mc View Post

      Next you will be telling me that the email I received from a Nigerian Prince wanting to pay me $459,458,458 last week was genuine as well.
      shoot thats fake as well? Now I am really gutted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    First, thanks Giles, you saved me a lot of explaining.

    Second, just to back up Giles and reinforce what he said: Videos are very easy to fake. I took one course in video making, actually I'm only through 14 lessons out of about 60, and already I could fake a video if I chose to. Unfortunately, it's very simple!

    And in case anyone is thinking of asking ... no, I won't fake one for you and won't teach you how.
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    You know what's sad?

    If folks gave themselves permission to actually research out the potential product, AND approach it with a healthy dose of skepticism...they might get burned far LESS in the future.

    But the seduction of buying the dream always lingers...
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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    Wow... I just watched that video, Crew Chief, and I admit... I didn't realize it was that easy for them to play around with the text on the screen, it's almost shocking to me, although it's well-known that some people are faking cb screencaps/shots.

    Any ideas on how to adequately tell if the screenie is fake or real? I don't pay attention to 'em' much anyway, as I don't buy products that make big claims.
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

      Wow... I just watched that video, Crew Chief, and I admit... I didn't realize it was that easy for them to play around with the text on the screen, it's almost shocking to me, although it's well-known that some people are faking cb screencaps/shots.

      Any ideas on how to adequately tell if the screenie is fake or real? I don't pay attention to 'em' much anyway, as I don't buy products that make big claims.
      Caleb, honestly, the ONLY way is to not depend on or demand "Proof of Income" to make your decisions. These spoof proof of income videos and pics will pass the highest scrutiny.

      And if I didn't clarify, these Fake Proof of Income Videos have been out for the longest! They are not new!

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  • Profile picture of the author tezza
    I don't trust any of that info anymore.
    What does it all mean at the end of the day?

    It's not easy to make a buck using a lot of the products on offer.Proof or no proof.
    Just another shiny object that will allow us to sit on a beach with our laptops while the cash rolls in. Duh!!

    I rely on the Warrior Forum these days for my products especially when the product owner gets grilled by the members.
    There are some some smart cookies in this forum.
    So thanks guys. It's all about trust for me.

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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Regardess of whether an income video is faked or not, it still doesn't conclusively prove that the income was made with the method or system that the seller is pushing, now does it? When viewed in that light, asking for income proof is pretty useless, but I guess there are still many out there who still fall for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author good2go4
    [QUOTE] The point being...

    Stop expecting others to pick you up out of your *whatever* situation.

    Stop blaming others when they say they will they don't.

    Snake oil doesn't cure cancer.

    You...

    .... you ....

    .... .... .... .... YOU are the one who determines your ultimate destiny!

    And if the life you're living ain't quite the one that you want it be...

    ... do something about it.

    - Paul Barrs [END QUOTE]

    This made so much sense to me - Thank you Paul for saying what I wanted to...but so much nicer than I could

    I never do income proofs for any products I sell because I have always known that a lot of the possible "success" or otherwise is dependent on the one factor I have no control over - the paying client. So I just have faith in what I sell, and if others feel the same way then I guess they will buy - because I sell business ideas, not get rich quick schemes

    Now is any of that swampland left and do you sell to international buyers, lol

    Lisa
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  • Profile picture of the author JackTriggs
    So even if you see someone logging into their clickbank account (entering their name and password) and their earnings come up, and the proper url is there too (not this javascript thingy)...then that could conceivably be faked?
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  • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
    Check for strange mouse movements and you'll see it's faked.

    Most of the time you'll see the mouse cursor move off the page then back onto the page.
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  • Profile picture of the author greatseoservice
    Fake videos, fake revies, fake proof, fake promises that is why I dont buy unless there 20+ pozitive reviews
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  • Profile picture of the author J42
    How about this?

    On the salespage the product owner gives out his username/password so visitors can log in to their CB account for themselves to view the sales?

    Obviously for security reasons there would have to be a way to block certain pages (personal address/payment pages) and prevent change of password but I'm sure CB could come up with something.

    So someone could log in and ONLY view the sales stats.
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    • Profile picture of the author JackTriggs
      Originally Posted by J42 View Post

      How about this?

      On the salespage the product owner gives out his username/password so visitors can log in to their CB account for themselves to view the sales?

      Obviously for security reasons there would have to be a way to block certain pages (personal address/payment pages) and prevent change of password but I'm sure CB could come up with something.

      So someone could log in and ONLY view the sales stats.
      Good idea, but could be worth more trouble than its worth, coz the people skeptical about video proof is in the minority
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      • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
        Originally Posted by JackTriggs View Post

        So even if you see someone logging into their clickbank account (entering their name and password) and their earnings come up, and the proper url is there too (not this javascript thingy)...then that could conceivably be faked?
        Conceivably???

        REMEMBER: you are watching a video, which as Dennis stated can be easily edited and manipulated. Therefore, unless YOU are logging into THEIR account on YOUR computer, you've got NOTHING!

        This fake stuff is nothing new. Remember in the hey days when people were Franchising everything and then selling these "Make instant money franchises?" If you research, you will find that the sellers and marketers of these franchises used spoof income as the primary bait to snag unsuspecting victims.

        C'mon, let's be brutally honest... how is a person going to net a million a year in a dry cleaning franchise in farm land USA? What farmers are taking their overalls to the dry cleaners? Irregardless of these irrefutable facts, people bought these types of franchises because the proof of income was just to darn irresistible to pass up.

        Originally Posted by greatseoservice View Post

        Fake videos, fake revies, fake proof, fake promises that is why I dont buy unless there 20+ pozitive reviews
        That's what the shysters are counting on! They know how to manufacture reviews. Hence, unless you KNOW those providing the reviews and actually trust their opinions, those reviews are essentially worthless along with the proof of income.

        Originally Posted by JackTriggs View Post

        Good idea, but could be worth more trouble than its worth, coz the people skeptical about video proof is in the minority
        And that's why the shysters continue using the sproof of income in their sales copy.

        Some of the tactics of these shady characters employ and the lengths they will go to - to BURN you are literally mind boggling!

        For example, a highly popular and I mean highly highly popular IM training program [that is essentially nothing more than a continuity upsell trap] uses proof of income, scarcity tactics, numerous glowing reviews, confidence building guarantees and a few other slick tactics to NAIL noobs.

        On the sales page, they pull out ALL of the stops, use all of the triggers and touch on ALL of the buying impulses but people who have bought the program will tell you that it is a MAJOR rip off!

        So why is it still selling like hotcakes?

        Primarily... Sproof of income!

        Giles, the Crew Chief
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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    I'm beginning to think of asking product owners to show me a screenshot of how much they spend instead of how much income they make.

    Maybe my bad but I'm sick and tired of fake income screenshots.
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Originally Posted by JackTriggs View Post

    Screenshots seem to be old news these day...and nearly every product seems to have video proof of clickbank account

    My question though...like a lot of clickbank screenshots...are these video's being faked too?
    Jack

    There was a video doing the rounds about 6 months ago that showed that with some software you could change the sales on the page to look like you have made more then you have , I will try and find it for you and PM you if I do

    Jason
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